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BigBlueDownTheShore : 8/7/2018 10:35 pm
Had no idea Hue Jackson’s mother and brother passed away in 2 weeks time. Props to Jackson for staying the entire time.
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Danny Kanell : 8/7/2018 11:14 pm : link
Great first episode. I really liked how Landry came across.
kirksley and taylor came off very well also  
nygiants16 : 8/7/2018 11:23 pm : link
i like how taylor is just going about his business, doesnt seem to be worrying about mayfield at all..

i dont like how mayfield came across, seemed kind of lazy and a little arrogant, now granted very small sample...

jackson asking him why he does not come in and workout with taylor and he basically tried to sidestep
RE: kirksley and taylor came off very well also  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 8/8/2018 6:55 am : link
In comment 14032119 nygiants16 said:
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i like how taylor is just going about his business, doesnt seem to be worrying about mayfield at all..

i dont like how mayfield came across, seemed kind of lazy and a little arrogant, now granted very small sample...

jackson asking him why he does not come in and workout with taylor and he basically tried to sidestep


I agree with the Mayfield not coming in early was a bad look, but when he was playing I liked his interaction with the entire team. You can see his competitive nature and he seemed like someone you would want to play with.
Bless ‘em  
figgy2989 : 8/8/2018 7:20 am : link
Bless ‘em
Bless ‘em

I love this show and look forward to it every year. I came away more impressed with Landry as I didn’t realize how hard of a worker he is. Also next weeks episode is going to be a must watch as it will be centered around the first preseason game. So we should get some good Giants stuff.
Landry is definitely a hard worker  
crackerjack465 : 8/8/2018 8:49 am : link
and it shows well on Odell too.. Not to make this too much of a stretch, but they do work out together in the off-season constantly and they're extremely close. They've both said in past interviews that they push each other to be the best.
Hugh Jackson  
QB Snacks : 8/8/2018 9:41 am : link
is not an NFL head coach. Not a leader of men. He will be fired by the end of the year.
Awful  
ryanmkeane : 8/8/2018 10:29 am : link
situation for Jackson's family. Feel for him losing his brother and mother in the same month..just awful.

That being said, that scene with the offensive coaches was brutal. Basically saying hey guys thanks for the input but you're not in my chair, I make the decisions here. That was a sign to me that he just isn't a leader.
RE: Awful  
Jay on the Island : 8/8/2018 10:34 am : link
In comment 14032352 ryanmkeane said:
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situation for Jackson's family. Feel for him losing his brother and mother in the same month..just awful.

That being said, that scene with the offensive coaches was brutal. Basically saying hey guys thanks for the input but you're not in my chair, I make the decisions here. That was a sign to me that he just isn't a leader.

That's one of the reasons why Hue will never be a good head coach. He has a huge ego. According to Jackson the 1-31 record had nothing to do with him.
RE: Hugh Jackson  
Jay on the Island : 8/8/2018 10:35 am : link
In comment 14032305 QB Snacks said:
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is not an NFL head coach. Not a leader of men. He will be fired by the end of the year.

Dorsey wanted to fire him when he was hired but ownership loves Jackson and forced Dorsey to keep him.
RE: Awful  
AcesUp : 8/8/2018 10:38 am : link
In comment 14032352 ryanmkeane said:
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That being said, that scene with the offensive coaches was brutal. Basically saying hey guys thanks for the input but you're not in my chair, I make the decisions here. That was a sign to me that he just isn't a leader.


His offensive coaches were right too. His team went 0-16, there's more than just injuries there. Now we're at the mercy of HBO's editing, but the early story was that the team was slacking off, I don't think that's the time to be taking your foot off the gas.
RE: Awful  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 8/8/2018 10:41 am : link
In comment 14032352 ryanmkeane said:
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situation for Jackson's family. Feel for him losing his brother and mother in the same month..just awful.

That being said, that scene with the offensive coaches was brutal. Basically saying hey guys thanks for the input but you're not in my chair, I make the decisions here. That was a sign to me that he just isn't a leader.


I was waiting for Todd Haley to say something back, you know since he does have head coaching experience.

On the flip side, though Hue is the CEO, he knows his ass in on the line. Just like Parcell's said, when his ass was on the line. If he is going to go out, he is going out his way.

Hue is a players coach, though, that's what I see with him.
It seems..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/8/2018 10:48 am : link
like the Browns have turned a corner personnel-wise, but retaining Jackson as coach will seemingly negate those gains.

I don't understand that decision one bit as it goes against all the other moves they've made.
Gregg Williams is a piece of shit, but  
Diversify yo bonds : 8/8/2018 10:51 am : link
"no shit I got a lozenge bitch" was line of the night.

Landry's speech/rant in the wr room was good stuff.
Obviously everyone knows the cameras are rolling  
figgy2989 : 8/8/2018 10:52 am : link
But I agree with everyone here that Hue just doesn’t seem like HC material. That whole meeting with the offensive coaches was cringe worthy.


How about Nassib trying to teach the DL about earning interest? That was hysterical.
RE: It seems..  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 8/8/2018 11:00 am : link
In comment 14032371 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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like the Browns have turned a corner personnel-wise, but retaining Jackson as coach will seemingly negate those gains.

I don't understand that decision one bit as it goes against all the other moves they've made.


They have Todd Haley on board and Greg Williams. If the season goes in the shitter, one of them will take the helm of the Team.

I do think the Browns will be better, not sure how much though.
Both..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/8/2018 11:02 am : link
Haley and Williams have serious character/personality issues that have derailed them from one of more previous jobs.


just seems that if you've overhauled the roster and have a lot of young talent, bring in a proven guy to lead.
I thought slick-back Mac  
Chris684 : 8/8/2018 11:09 am : link
got another gig as Cleveland OC?

Was I dreaming that or was it just a rumor that didn't pan out?
RE: It seems..  
TeamSchlitz1 : 8/8/2018 11:51 am : link
In comment 14032371 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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like the Browns have turned a corner personnel-wise, but retaining Jackson as coach will seemingly negate those gains.

I don't understand that decision one bit as it goes against all the other moves they've made.


BINGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
RE: RE: Awful  
nygiants16 : 8/8/2018 11:54 am : link
In comment 14032365 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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In comment 14032352 ryanmkeane said:


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situation for Jackson's family. Feel for him losing his brother and mother in the same month..just awful.

That being said, that scene with the offensive coaches was brutal. Basically saying hey guys thanks for the input but you're not in my chair, I make the decisions here. That was a sign to me that he just isn't a leader.



I was waiting for Todd Haley to say something back, you know since he does have head coaching experience.

On the flip side, though Hue is the CEO, he knows his ass in on the line. Just like Parcell's said, when his ass was on the line. If he is going to go out, he is going out his way.

Hue is a players coach, though, that's what I see with him.


i thought hue answered it perfectly, he said this his ship and his team, when you sit in this chair you can run it your way, he will take feedback but in the end his decision
Another thing,  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 8/8/2018 12:08 pm : link
they should have just cut Josh Gordon already. He is so not worth all this crap if he can never play. That was the most surprising thing to me.
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arcarsenal : 8/8/2018 12:18 pm : link
Gordon has been working his ass off and he's a beast when he plays and is healthy. What is it really costing Cleveland to be patient with him? They save virtually nothing cap-wise by cutting him. What would be the point?
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BigBlueDownTheShore : 8/8/2018 12:25 pm : link
In comment 14032470 arcarsenal said:
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Gordon has been working his ass off and he's a beast when he plays and is healthy. What is it really costing Cleveland to be patient with him? They save virtually nothing cap-wise by cutting him. What would be the point?


In my business if you have seen what a person is more then one time, it's very very rare that they will even eventually get it. Cut your losses before they get you in more trouble. Let him be someone elses problem.
I'm sure a lot of us can relate  
TeamSchlitz1 : 8/8/2018 12:36 pm : link
Whether it is ourselves, or family/friends that have dealt with addiction. But I think Cleveland is doing the right thing with Josh Gordon. He doesn't have heinous crimes on his record or anything. Just seems like he has some demons which he is having trouble escaping.

Why not stick with him? I am also sure if he stunk, they would have cut bait a while ago. Simply the reality of the NFL, but I think they should be applauded. It really seems like he is trying to get better and he is serious about getting his issues resolved.
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arcarsenal : 8/8/2018 12:37 pm : link
Gordon smoked weed and had problems with alcohol... he's not a murderer.

They have nothing to lose by holding onto him. He's an outstanding talent and he's been working hard to turn his life around. He shouldn't be punished now for that. If they were going to cut ties, they would have done it a while back. This isn't the right time to do it and they have nothing to gain by doing it anyway.

He's one of the best WR's in football when he's on the field and he's making peanuts right now. It would make no sense to do that.
I read something  
robbieballs2003 : 8/8/2018 12:41 pm : link
Where Gordon doesn't want to be a spectacle on Hard Knocks. I really don't blame him after trying to get his life back in order. There are more important things in life than making money like health and well-being. He came this far and if this is what he feels is best to keep him on track then so be it. If Cleveland is over it then release/trade him. If they are willing to he patient then let this run its course. Imo, they are waiting to capitalize on trading him so they can get something for him so they will put up with a lot of stuff as long as they still have control of him.
4th String QB is being used like a bitch  
Youtoo : 8/8/2018 1:34 pm : link
He is not going to make the team. He is just a camp arm. They are making him do tons of grunt work. For 4 weeks of Camp Pay. That is what $4000-5000? Then his NFL career will be over. Maybe he will get a shot in Europe, CFL, or the Arena league.

If not he has to get a real job.

It makes me cringe when he is on the show getting food for the real players. I get making drafted players do this shit. But camp arms? Just leave him alone. He is a scrub.

Insight on Jackson  
Green Giant : 8/8/2018 7:06 pm : link
I always find how the head coach operates to be very interesting/enlightening. Jackson did NOT look good -- very ego-centric, awkward watching him run the coaching meeting.

Similarly, Jeff Fisher (Rams) and Joe Philbin (Dolphins) were unimpressive in their seasons. Their path doesn't bode well for Jackson.

On the other hand, I thought Bill O'Brien (Texans) was very impressive a few years back.
Nassib explaining compound interest  
RobCarpenter : 8/9/2018 5:42 am : link
It’s like he discovered fire. Holy crap.
RE: Insight on Jackson  
RobCarpenter : 8/9/2018 6:58 am : link
In comment 14032852 Green Giant said:
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I always find how the head coach operates to be very interesting/enlightening. Jackson did NOT look good -- very ego-centric, awkward watching him run the coaching meeting.



Great point. His coaches did not look engaged/inspired in that meeting. He does not command respect.
Too much grand standing and playing to the cameras  
NNJ Tom : 8/9/2018 12:10 pm : link
Next week should be awesome after they get beat down by a real football team (or least a better football team)

RE: RE: Insight on Jackson  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 8/9/2018 1:19 pm : link
In comment 14033081 RobCarpenter said:
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In comment 14032852 Green Giant said:


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I always find how the head coach operates to be very interesting/enlightening. Jackson did NOT look good -- very ego-centric, awkward watching him run the coaching meeting.





Great point. His coaches did not look engaged/inspired in that meeting. He does not command respect.


The guy is grieving the loss of his mother and brother within a 2 week time period. Maybe we are seeing that a little bit in that meeting.

I watched him on Cincy Hardknocks and he seemed like a good positional coach. He'll coach wherever you need him, and that might be the better niche for him.
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Jon in NYC : 8/10/2018 10:59 am : link
"No shit I got a lozenge, bitch."

Never change, Gregg Williams.
RE: Nassib explaining compound interest  
cjac : 8/10/2018 11:05 am : link
In comment 14033075 RobCarpenter said:
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It’s like he discovered fire. Holy crap.


That was my favorite part of the show

you think any of those guys are going to walk out of the watch store? hahaha
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