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Role player from the past?

BillyM : 8/8/2018 11:52 am
If you could have one, non-pro bowler from the past, right now, to add to our roster, who would it be?

I feel like this team improved upon its character from last year but remains light on depth at a handful of spots.

Who's your glue guy of choice.

My choice...Maurice Carthon. High character guy who helped Hershel Walker with the Generals and catapulted Joe Morris' career. Equally, he was durable as hell. His blocking style would be a huge help to this offensive line and he'd be a big time mentor for Saquon right now.

To me, he would help the team return to power football in a big time way.
Reyna Thompson  
Greg from LI : 8/8/2018 11:53 am : link
Good depth CB, fantastic special teamer
define role player  
QB Snacks : 8/8/2018 11:53 am : link
but if I had to it would prob be a nickel corner or an offensive C/T.
Reyna Thompson  
BillyM : 8/8/2018 11:54 am : link
I believe he went to one pro bowl. But yes, I thought of him right off the bat
Kareem McKenzie  
Rocky369 : 8/8/2018 11:55 am : link
not a pro bowler.
Mine  
Jay on the Island : 8/8/2018 11:55 am : link
Rich Seubert.
Sean Landetta  
PEEJ : 8/8/2018 11:55 am : link
or Dave Jennings
Seubert or O'Hara.  
yatqb : 8/8/2018 11:56 am : link
.
RE: Kareem McKenzie  
Anakim : 8/8/2018 11:56 am : link
In comment 14032429 Rocky369 said:
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not a pro bowler.


That's a good one. I like that one. We wouldn't have to be concerned about how our RT will perform.
Kareem Mckenzie  
BillyM : 8/8/2018 11:56 am : link
wow, he really didnt go to a pro bowl? Damn, he's at the top of my list now. As it fits major need
RE: Mine  
Rocky369 : 8/8/2018 11:56 am : link
In comment 14032430 Jay on the Island said:
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Rich Seubert.
BBI Giant of the Year Award (2010) - Wikipedia
Did Kareem McKenzie  
robbieballs2003 : 8/8/2018 11:57 am : link
ever make a pro bowl? If not this is an easy answer for me.
I would go with Plaxico  
Anakim : 8/8/2018 11:57 am : link
Pair him with OBJ, Shep, Engram, and Saquon
I see others are faster than I am  
robbieballs2003 : 8/8/2018 11:57 am : link
Lol
Antonio Pierce  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 8/8/2018 12:00 pm : link
dude was solid as a MLB, and he was the smartest player on the field, and called perfect games from that position.
I took "role" player as being a non-starter that contributes  
rasbutant : 8/8/2018 12:05 pm : link
David Tyree type.
RE: Antonio Pierce  
Elisthebest : 8/8/2018 12:06 pm : link
In comment 14032445 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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dude was solid as a MLB, and he was the smartest player on the field, and called perfect games from that position.

Tackle vs. the Packers is still my all-time favorite play (going back to 1965)
Role player vs non pro bowl starter is a meaningful difference  
Sonic Youth : 8/8/2018 12:09 pm : link
I only really remember seasons going back to 2002, but I wouldn't consider any starters who were integral parts of their team to be role players (Pierce, McKenzie, O'Hara, Seubert).

Using that definition, I think this team could use a Domenik Hixon. Would help special teams, KR, and can chip in at WR.
RE: I would go with Plaxico  
Sonic Youth : 8/8/2018 12:09 pm : link
In comment 14032442 Anakim said:
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Pair him with OBJ, Shep, Engram, and Saquon
Do you really consider Plax a role player though? He was one of the most important pieces of our offense when here.
RE: RE: I would go with Plaxico  
Anakim : 8/8/2018 12:11 pm : link
In comment 14032457 Sonic Youth said:
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In comment 14032442 Anakim said:


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Pair him with OBJ, Shep, Engram, and Saquon

Do you really consider Plax a role player though? He was one of the most important pieces of our offense when here.


Fair enough. I put more stock in the "never made a Pro Bowl" aspect of the post.
Some of the above mentioned names  
johnnyb : 8/8/2018 12:13 pm : link
were NOT role players. McKenzie, Plaxico, Seubert- were for the most part starters. In my opinion, a role player is a non starter whose contributions added to the success of the team. Reyna Thompson would be my choice.
Mathias kiwanuka  
Jesse B : 8/8/2018 12:16 pm : link
Think hed be good in this defense more tailor made for his skill set and Giants pass rush doesnt inspire me
As pointed out, the OP is a bit unclear about what kind  
Mad Mike : 8/8/2018 12:16 pm : link
of player we're talking about. There's a pretty big gap between being a role player and being a pro-bowler. KMac is a great choice, but obviously he wasn't a role player, nor was Pierce or Plax or Seubert for much of his career. If a starting fullback who didn't carry the ball often counts, Carthon was a really good player, although his role would be reduced quite a bit in today's game. Star special teamers like Thompson or Tyree (though both did go to pro bowls) would be big adds. Meggett would also be a huge addition - he went to a pro bowl too, but not until leaving the Giants, so he kind of meets all the criteria.
I'm not sure I would say  
crackerjack465 : 8/8/2018 12:17 pm : link
Plax/K-Mac are role players.

I'll go with Deon Grant or RW McQuarters.
If RP is a non starter  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 8/8/2018 12:19 pm : link
Throw in Mowatt and Meggett.
Always  
larryinnewhaven : 8/8/2018 12:21 pm : link
loved Chase Blackburn
Role Player  
BillyM : 8/8/2018 12:23 pm : link
Definitely was going with more the true role player, versus non pro bowler.
Deon Grant??  
OdellBeckhamJr : 8/8/2018 12:50 pm : link
I thought he was pretty good for us, same with Chase Blackburn!
amazing to me that plax never made a pro bowl  
Knee of Theismann : 8/8/2018 12:51 pm : link
2002 (with Steelers), 2005, and 2007 he had pro bowl-like numbers.

In those years he averaged somewhere in the ballpark like 70-75 catches, 1200 yards, 10 TDs.
R.W McQuarters or Sam Madison  
beatrixkiddo : 8/8/2018 12:51 pm : link
R.W just so I could lose a few more years off my life watching his punt return decisions.
Grant and RW are good choices  
Sonic Youth : 8/8/2018 12:56 pm : link
I was thinking of a CB or S and don't know how I didn't think of them.

Blackburn is alright but I'd rather have the other two (or Hixon).

Madison was a starter - I really don't think he was a role player at all. Besides, didn't he make a pro bowl (with the Dolphins)?
Charles Way on offense  
Les in TO : 8/8/2018 1:02 pm : link
Kenny Phillips on defense
You guys do realize that "role players"  
chopperhatch : 8/8/2018 1:14 pm : link
Are guys that are not starters or for some positions even 2 on the depth chart right? Sure, a role player might be forced to start. But the only ones that I saw that are really fits are Reyna and Tyree. You could throw D. Hixon in there. I think you could classify Megget as a role player. Maybe Blackburn. Dave Tolleffson.

Kareem MacKenzie, Antonio Pierce, Rich Seubert and O'Hara were NOT role players. Those were starters. Just saying.

Dan Campbell is probably another one.
RE: R.W McQuarters or Sam Madison  
chopperhatch : 8/8/2018 1:14 pm : link
In comment 14032496 beatrixkiddo said:
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R.W just so I could lose a few more years off my life watching his punt return decisions.


McQ is a good one.
....  
Toth029 : 8/8/2018 1:19 pm : link
A Deon Grant comes to mind too. Esp for Nickel and dime packages.
RE: Charles Way on offense  
Boy Cord : 8/8/2018 1:23 pm : link
In comment 14032504 Les in TO said:
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Kenny Phillips on defense


Kenny Phillips. Damn the Giants have lost some great young talent to injuries, primarily DBs and WRs.
Two RB's  
fanofthejets : 8/8/2018 1:30 pm : link
Always liked Charles Way and Keith Elias. Way wore those massive shoulder pads and an offensive linemens facemask. Reminded me of Christian Okoye

Domenik  
mittenedman : 8/8/2018 1:31 pm : link
Hixon. One of my favorites of all time. Played 9 positions. (All 3 WRs spots, both returns spots, and could block gunners or be a gunner on punt or kick.) Good run blocking WR. Could get deep & go short. Had YAC ability.

6'2, 4.4 speed, tough as nails, played thru injury, never complained. Never fumbled or muffed the ball. Just a solid football player who helped win games.
Devin Thomas  
mac attack : 8/8/2018 1:37 pm : link
Literally made 2 outstanding special teams plays that put us in the Super Bowl
Like the Hixon call...  
kinard : 8/8/2018 1:38 pm : link
Kawika Mitchell made a lot of good plays in the short time he was here.

Devin Thomas was also a very good special teamer.
RE: Like the Hixon call...  
chopperhatch : 8/8/2018 1:46 pm : link
In comment 14032535 kinard said:
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Kawika Mitchell made a lot of good plays in the short time he was here.

Devin Thomas was also a very good special teamer.


Hixon was another player that I felt couldve gone down as an all time Giant. Fucking ACLs were too much.
Doug Reisenberg or  
mfsd : 8/8/2018 2:05 pm : link
Karl Nelson at RT
Who do you think you are  
fanofthejets : 8/8/2018 2:24 pm : link
Bjorn Nittmo?
Curtis McGriff  
Russ in Queens, NYC : 8/8/2018 2:26 pm : link
Great run stuffing end on early downs. Came out for George Martin on obvious passing downs.
Whoops.  
Russ in Queens, NYC : 8/8/2018 2:27 pm : link
Didn't read entire post. Change that to George Martin: we need a proven pass rusher.
Parcellsí always had several key non starting role players ...  
Spider56 : 8/8/2018 2:48 pm : link
Zeke Mowatt and Howard Cross were great 2nd TEs, but my vote goes to Phil Mcconkey ... Excellent slot receiver, Reliable Punt Returner, Fan loving towel waver and Patriotic USNA grad.
Kenny Phillips  
GoDeep13 : 8/8/2018 3:01 pm : link
Wasnít a flashy guy but you had very little to worry about with him playing midfield. He and Collins would have made a great tandem.
CC Brown on defense  
Mike from SI : 8/8/2018 3:05 pm : link
and Ian Allen on offense. Championship! (Sorry couldn't help myself.)
RE: Kenny Phillips  
chopperhatch : 8/8/2018 3:05 pm : link
In comment 14032636 GoDeep13 said:
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Wasnít a flashy guy but you had very little to worry about with him playing midfield. He and Collins would have made a great tandem.


He was the STARTING free safety.
can you say that again?  
Rocky369 : 8/8/2018 3:09 pm : link
we couldn't quite hear how right you are. Tyree is in fact the only role player, NON-PRO BOWLER that fits.
RE: can you say that again?  
Sonic Youth : 8/8/2018 3:11 pm : link
In comment 14032654 Rocky369 said:
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we couldn't quite hear how right you are. Tyree is in fact the only role player, NON-PRO BOWLER that fits.
True, I forgot Hixon was a pro bowler as a KR at one point.
However, I'm pretty sure Tyree made the Pro Bowl as a special teamer one year as well. Either way, making the Pro Bowl as a special teamer sort of makes you inadvertently a role player, albeit one of the better ones in the league.
Tyree  
Damon : 8/8/2018 3:15 pm : link
Meggett
Chase Blackburn
I'm not busting your chops SY  
Rocky369 : 8/8/2018 3:18 pm : link
just chopper's for getting hung up on the role player/starter, while excluding the Pro Bowler criteria. Hixon fits both definitions. Tyree was a PBer. I was shocked to learn that KMac and Plaxico were never voted in. And Pierce only has one to his name.
RE: can you say that again?  
chopperhatch : 8/8/2018 3:19 pm : link
In comment 14032654 Rocky369 said:
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we couldn't quite hear how right you are. Tyree is in fact the only role player, NON-PRO BOWLER that fits.


Apparently I needed to because the vast majority of "role players" on this thread were not just starters, but tenured ones.

I also dont think making the pro bowl precludes you from being on the list. It just means you were an outstanding role player.

Steve Tasker, Bill Bates, Larry Izzo, Ike Reese and our own Zak DeOssie were multiple pro bowl winners as well as role players.
RE: Reyna Thompson  
Scott in Montreal : 8/8/2018 4:15 pm : link
In comment 14032423 Greg from LI said:
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Good depth CB, fantastic special teamer


This was the first guy I thought of when I saw the post. Just read that he did go to a pro bowl in 1990 though.

Kareem McKenzie would be my pick. Great lineman. Solid and would put this current line over the top.
Howard Cross 6'5" 270 excellent tough blocking TE  
idiotsavant : 8/8/2018 4:22 pm : link
Kmac and Plex and snee were big names not roll players per SE.

Maybe Snee qualifies.
Hereís one at a position of need  
plato : 8/8/2018 4:24 pm : link
Tom Landry
Give me  
NJGiantFan84 : 8/8/2018 4:29 pm : link
Chase Blackburn any day. I loved watching that guy play. His passion for the game and hard-work turned him into an important piece. Certainly not the fastest or strongest, but just solid. Took great advantage of opportunities when given to him.

I also love Jake Ballard. If he never tore his ACL, I think he would have had a solid career here. He also was his best in the biggest moments.
RE: Howard Cross 6'5  
Mad Mike : 8/8/2018 4:32 pm : link
In comment 14032717 idiotsavant said:
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Maybe Snee qualifies.

If Snee qualifies, who doesn't qualify?
Joe Morrison,  
clatterbuck : 8/8/2018 6:48 pm : link
played where they needed him -- running back, fullback, wr, even te, I think.
Phillippi Sparks  
mrvax : 8/8/2018 8:20 pm : link
Circa 1997. Man could we use him now.
Given what the OP probably wants ....  
FStubbs : 8/8/2018 9:35 pm : link
Andy Headen. He'd be our best linebacker.
Devin Thomas , Deion Grant, but the real answer is  
DennyInDenville : 8/8/2018 9:59 pm : link
Michael Boley
Lamar Miller  
KyleY : 8/8/2018 10:06 pm : link
Over 1,200 yards each of the last 4 seasons. Even with Saquon, he'd be a nice addition.
...  
christian : 8/8/2018 10:23 pm : link
Dave Tollefson
RE: Antonio Pierce  
Tuckrule : 8/9/2018 5:45 am : link
In comment 14032445 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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dude was solid as a MLB, and he was the smartest player on the field, and called perfect games from that position.


Pro bowl appearance
My list in order would be  
Tuckrule : 8/9/2018 5:50 am : link
Kmac- solder and mac would be a nice duo

Kiwi- linebacker in a 3-4 finally finds his role

Kenny Phillips- perfect safety to pair with Landon can also play some corner



Phil McConkey  
BlueinRoch : 8/9/2018 9:02 am : link
Great returner, great attitude.
RE: Devin Thomas , Deion Grant, but the real answer is  
Sonic Youth : 8/9/2018 11:42 am : link
In comment 14033006 DennyInDenville said:
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Michael Boley
Mihael Boley would be great on this team, but I don't think he was a role player. he was pretty much an every down LB.
Add me to the McKenzie list. Somehow, I have a hard time  
Ira : 8/9/2018 11:54 am : link
trusting Flowers.
Chase Blackburn  
BlackburnBalledOut : 8/15/2018 8:09 am : link
i could also use a dave tollefson rotation piece on the DL or the blocking of Jake Ballard or Michael Mathews
ok here are my choices..  
EricJ : 8/15/2018 8:19 am : link
and some of you have no idea what a role player is...

Larry Flowers
Andy Headen
McConkey
Meggett
Bradshaw - borderline role player
It's Meggett...  
x meadowlander : 8/15/2018 1:15 pm : link
...3rd down backs were already common, but he redefined it - he was absolutely deadly in space, made the first man miss nearly every time. Also - was excellent at throwing the HB option. Parcells LOVED trickery.

Worth mentioning too is the way Justin Tuck was used when the Giants already had Pro Bowl bookends.

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