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Tomorrow's game - More significance?

BillyM : 8/8/2018 4:29 pm
35 year fan, usually use the four preseason games to look for some diamonds in the rough. But mostly, to be honest, simply pray for health.

Some standouts from years back were moments like Rodney Hampton taking a first touch 90 yards to the house. Or Victor Cruz blossoming out of nowhere.

But this year, particularly, coming off an off-season where so much of the focus was placed on drafting a QB, I must say I'm very interested in tomorrow's game. Almost so much so that I might pop off the NJ Transit and walk in for some tickets.

This is a very big moment for Davis Webb; no other way to put it, big. He doesn't need to be Tom Brady in the next four games, but he absolutely needs to flash something. Command of the team, on-the-fly adjustments, his mid range accuracy, his strengths around the long ball. If all goes well, Eli is our starter this year so this tape will be very closely scrutinized. I really am rooting hard for this kid, because if he's truly successful, it sets us up for years to come.

Am I the only one more intrigued for this first preseason game than almost any other in recent memory? For some reason this feels more important.
It is a huge opportunity  
robbieballs2003 : 8/8/2018 4:34 pm : link
but be careful how you judge Webb. Judging on stats may not be the best thing. Some of the stuff you alluded to. I want to see control of the offense, the players, the situation, the calls, making adjustments, making the correct reads regardless of the result of the play.
You will  
NYBEN1963 : 8/8/2018 4:46 pm : link
never hear me say this about a preseason game ...but you know what? I want a win... I know it means absolutely nothing but I just want to see a Giants win.
Its a bigger preseason game  
chopperhatch : 8/8/2018 4:50 pm : link
all around for the organization. New coaching staff, Saquon, new O line and Webb as possibly inheriting the keys to the ship after Eli. Having sucked in the preseason for most of the last decade and a half, I would really like to see a fast start. I hate waiting all year for football and then be gnashing my teeth after the first preseason game.


Let's kick ass for once.
A lot of people are acting like this is Webb's first time on the field  
gmen9892 : 8/8/2018 4:54 pm : link
The guy showed me something in last year's preseason that had me thinking he was going to be pretty good. Loved his arm and poise. Me thinks a lot of people will be happy about what they see.

The only issue I have is that the second-team OL might be so bad that Webb will not have any time back there. Really hoping that is not the case, as that will ruin any QBs chance to stand out.
RE: You will  
chopperhatch : 8/8/2018 4:58 pm : link
In comment 14032756 NYBEN1963 said:
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never hear me say this about a preseason game ...but you know what? I want a win... I know it means absolutely nothing but I just want to see a Giants win.


Rest assured, Browns want one too. They havent had one in a while.
RE: A lot of people are acting like this is Webb's first time on the field  
robbieballs2003 : 8/8/2018 4:58 pm : link
In comment 14032769 gmen9892 said:
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The guy showed me something in last year's preseason that had me thinking he was going to be pretty good. Loved his arm and poise. Me thinks a lot of people will be happy about what they see.

The only issue I have is that the second-team OL might be so bad that Webb will not have any time back there. Really hoping that is not the case, as that will ruin any QBs chance to stand out.


I agree. It is a different situation now with the Giants not drafting a QB in the first. There is more pressure on Webb for that reason alone.
RE: Its a bigger preseason game  
robbieballs2003 : 8/8/2018 5:01 pm : link
In comment 14032763 chopperhatch said:
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all around for the organization. New coaching staff, Saquon, new O line and Webb as possibly inheriting the keys to the ship after Eli. Having sucked in the preseason for most of the last decade and a half, I would really like to see a fast start. I hate waiting all year for football and then be gnashing my teeth after the first preseason game.


Let's kick ass for once.


I personally don't think Barkley will play that much. It think they are going to want to give Barkley a ton of touches this year. Rookies sometimes hit a wall. Now, if anybody can avoid that wall I would assume it is Barkley because of how well he takes care of his body, how well he listens to vets, etc. But, until he actually does it we have no idea so I think the idea will be to enough with Barkley to get him ready for the season but also not overuse him either in the preseason.
It's nice to have 3 QBs that you want to see in the preseason  
BestFeature : 8/8/2018 5:43 pm : link
Also even if it's one drive, I'm excited to see Barkley.
i will be there  
Giants86 : 8/8/2018 5:57 pm : link
I always go. Its going to be nice to see Barkley. These games are so meaningless though. The league needs to have just 2 in my opinion. My only concern is no injuries.
Somebody who looked a lot like Webb  
CT Charlie : 8/8/2018 6:05 pm : link
led a beautiful game-winning drive vs. the Patriots last preseason. Sure it was scrubs vs. scrubs, but he showed all the intangibles: poise, accuracy, decision-making. 39 seconds left, 1st and 10 on our own 25, only 1 timeout remaining, down by 1 point...
Webb  
lax counsel : 8/8/2018 6:26 pm : link
I’m not concerned about the numbers Webb puts ups. What I personally would to see from him is a good command of the pocket- moving around feeling pressure, understanding his check downs as well as better intermediate and long range accuracy. I also realize not a lot of scouting goes on in preseason, but I would like to see him confidently read and diagnose a defense pre and post snap. These are all things that he struggled with in college and I’d like to see marked improvement, even if against second or third team players.
How often does a #1 overall QB pick  
shyster : 8/8/2018 6:30 pm : link
match up with the guy who took his college job and forced him to transfer? Like, never?

Browns' plan is Tyrod Taylor for a series or two and then a lot of Baker Mayfield. Expect similar for Eli/Webb.

As the cliche goes, the QBs don't play each other. But trading possessions is as close as it gets, and seeing what the Browns got for their #1 overall vs what the Giants got for a third rounder does pump the viewing interest for an opening exhibition game.

Second and third games will be more informative about the starting 2018 Giants.

Get the shine box Mayfield - ( New Window )
Second string line is a mess.  
larryflower37 : 8/8/2018 9:23 pm : link
Webb will spend a lot of time running for his life.
Hopefully he will get some reps with the first team to really see what he has
RE: It is a huge opportunity  
KeoweeFan : 8/8/2018 9:26 pm : link
In comment 14032736 robbieballs2003 said:
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but be careful how you judge Webb. Judging on stats may not be the best thing. Some of the stuff you alluded to. I want to see control of the offense, the players, the situation, the calls, making adjustments, making the correct reads regardless of the result of the play.

Remember Eli's first few regular season games?
Above all else I want to see the starting offense  
Matt M. : 8/8/2018 9:40 pm : link
Come out and move the ball wiwith some purpose.
RE: RE: It is a huge opportunity  
robbieballs2003 : 8/8/2018 9:44 pm : link
In comment 14032978 KeoweeFan said:
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but be careful how you judge Webb. Judging on stats may not be the best thing. Some of the stuff you alluded to. I want to see control of the offense, the players, the situation, the calls, making adjustments, making the correct reads regardless of the result of the play.


Remember Eli's first few regular season games?


I'll take it a step further. Remember Eli's first 4 years? I stated this back in another thread the other day; In 2007 against Minnesota a good portion of the fans were calling for Jared Lorenzen to play. It was rough.
RE: A lot of people are acting like this is Webb's first time on the field  
KeoweeFan : 8/8/2018 9:45 pm : link
In comment 14032769 gmen9892 said:
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The guy showed me something in last year's preseason that had me thinking he was going to be pretty good. Loved his arm and poise. Me thinks a lot of people will be happy about what they see.

The only issue I have is that the second-team OL might be so bad that Webb will not have any time back there. Really hoping that is not the case, as that will ruin any QBs chance to stand out.


I am assuming that Eli's time will be very brief, and in contrast the new 1st string OL will need a lot of preseason playing time to be able to operate as a unit.
(Granted there has to be time allotted to see if those in BU roles can do the job or need to be replaced with vets from other teams at cutdown time.)

So my guess is we'll see both backup QBs with the starting OL. Listening to Shurmur, QB changes may be more "situational" than in the past; a little more back and forth during the game.

I'm just very happy  
Gregorio : 8/8/2018 9:50 pm : link
that football is finally back. 4 pre-season games, 16 regular season games at minimum.

I'm excited to see;
-all the new rookie talent
-the new look of the defense
-new head coach, new outlook
-a surprise or 2 in pre-season; so many new players to check out



RE: How often does a #1 overall QB pick  
chopperhatch : 8/8/2018 9:52 pm : link
In comment 14032832 shyster said:
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match up with the guy who took his college job and forced him to transfer? Like, never?

Browns' plan is Tyrod Taylor for a series or two and then a lot of Baker Mayfield. Expect similar for Eli/Webb.

As the cliche goes, the QBs don't play each other. But trading possessions is as close as it gets, and seeing what the Browns got for their #1 overall vs what the Giants got for a third rounder does pump the viewing interest for an opening exhibition game.

Second and third games will be more informative about the starting 2018 Giants. Get the shine box Mayfield - ( New Window )



What??? Webb's job wasnt taken as I understand it. Webb transferred because of Mahomes.
Just read the article and I  
chopperhatch : 8/8/2018 9:56 pm : link
stand corrected.

Funny. He was that fiery when Webb told him to get towels yet he treats the 4th string qb at Cleveland about the same. If not worse.
I think you misunderstood.  
robbieballs2003 : 8/8/2018 10:01 pm : link
If I have this right, Mayfield started and got injured. Webb took the job which forced Mayfield to transfer.
Rodney Hampton's first carry...  
EricJ : 8/8/2018 10:02 pm : link
I have been looking for a video clip of that. I remember the run. It was basically up the middle.
RE: Just read the article and I  
robbieballs2003 : 8/8/2018 10:04 pm : link
In comment 14033002 chopperhatch said:
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stand corrected.

Funny. He was that fiery when Webb told him to get towels yet he treats the 4th string qb at Cleveland about the same. If not worse.


That's funny but not surprising. He was talking back more because he seems like a dick rather than standing up for himself due to a lack of respect. Also, it could have been a harmless request like, "Hey can you get some towels?" I find it a little weird if one freshman was talking to another freshman like a dick. I'd love to hear Webb's take.
RE: I think you misunderstood.  
chopperhatch : 8/8/2018 10:04 pm : link
In comment 14033007 robbieballs2003 said:
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If I have this right, Mayfield started and got injured. Webb took the job which forced Mayfield to transfer.


No, I dont think I do. Mayfield made it sound as tho Webb took the job over by default after he got hurt. But yea he transferred bwcause I am pretty sure OU was his dream school.
RE: RE: I think you misunderstood.  
robbieballs2003 : 8/8/2018 10:08 pm : link
In comment 14033013 chopperhatch said:
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If I have this right, Mayfield started and got injured. Webb took the job which forced Mayfield to transfer.



No, I dont think I do. Mayfield made it sound as tho Webb took the job over by default after he got hurt. But yea he transferred bwcause I am pretty sure OU was his dream school.


My response was to your comment where you said What? Webb's job wasn't taken. What did you mean by that? Was that two totally different situation that you are referring to or one?
RE: RE: RE: I think you misunderstood.  
chopperhatch : 8/8/2018 10:49 pm : link
In comment 14033017 robbieballs2003 said:
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If I have this right, Mayfield started and got injured. Webb took the job which forced Mayfield to transfer.



No, I dont think I do. Mayfield made it sound as tho Webb took the job over by default after he got hurt. But yea he transferred bwcause I am pretty sure OU was his dream school.



My response was to your comment where you said What? Webb's job wasn't taken. What did you mean by that? Was that two totally different situation that you are referring to or one?


Well, I was referring to what made WEBB transfer. Nevermind, that response was before I clarified for myself what went down.
Davis Webb  
joeinpa : 8/9/2018 7:29 am : link
Makes this a very interesting preseason game for the Giants. I m totally with you that there is some added excitement.

Although truth be good I always get excited for the first preseason game, It s the beginning of another football season.
I haven't been this excited to see backup QBs play  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 8/9/2018 8:31 am : link
Since the Hefty Lefty!
I just want to see the OL block someone  
PatersonPlank : 8/9/2018 9:28 am : link
That will be a start
This is really the MOST important thing  
EricJ : 8/9/2018 9:37 am : link
that I want to see tonight. I want to see our guys up front dominate on both sides of the ball. Beating the man in front of them. Those one on one battles really have nothing to do with scheme and nothing to do with the "vanilla" bullshit that we always hear from people here.

Over the past few years, I was seeing our guys get abused and knew that no matter what the play calling would be in September, you are not going to overcome a physical mismatch.

So, even though we are all excited to see Barkley, Odell, Webb, and others on the field... I will be happy if we are able to push the pile on offense and stuff the run on defense because if we can do that in the regular season then we have a chance.
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