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NFT: New York Yankees @ Chicago White Sox - 8:10 - Game 3

arcarsenal : 8/8/2018 6:27 pm
NYY:

1. Brett Gardner (L) LF
2. Giancarlo Stanton (R) DH
3. Aaron Hicks (S) CF
4. Greg Bird (L) 1B
5. Gleyber Torres (R) SS
6. Miguel Andujar (R) 3B
7. Neil Walker (S) 2B
8. Austin Romine (R) C
9. Shane Robinson (R) RF

Luis Severino: 14-5, 3.08


CHW:

1. Yoan Moncada (S) 2B
2. Yolmer Sanchez (S) 3B
3. Jose Abreu (R) 1B
4. Daniel Palka (L) DH
5. Avisail Garcia (R) RF
6. Nicky Delmonico (L) LF
7. Tim Anderson (R) SS
8. Kevan Smith (R) C
9. Adam Engel (R) CF

Lucas Giolito: 7-8, 5.97


Giolito leads the entire AL in runs allowed, so there's no excuse not to put runs on the board. The big story tonight will be whether or not Sevy can get back on track. We'll find out if he's been tipping his pitches or if it's another issue.

Kind of wish Boone would tinker with the lineup a little less, but it is what it is. Not the end of the world.

Bring out the brooms because we need this sweep.
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arcarsenal : 8/8/2018 8:48 pm : link
Shane Robinson looks like Gardy after getting shot with a shrink ray.
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arcarsenal : 8/8/2018 8:49 pm : link
Giolito totally falling apart here and their pen is taxed from last night. We should really be able to put up some crooked numbers here.
If ever there were a time for a Stanton moonshot  
Greg from LI : 8/8/2018 8:50 pm : link
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RE: If ever there were a time for a Stanton moonshot  
arcarsenal : 8/8/2018 8:52 pm : link
In comment 14032941 Greg from LI said:
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Nice call, my friend!
Could feel that coming  
dune69 : 8/8/2018 8:53 pm : link
Stanton is locked in.
That felt gooooooooooood  
Greg from LI : 8/8/2018 8:53 pm : link
Pour it on. They haven't had a total blowout in a while.
STANTON!  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/8/2018 8:54 pm : link
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arcarsenal : 8/8/2018 8:54 pm : link
Stanton has been absolutely fantastic since mid-May.
And now I feel like a schmuck.  
chopperhatch : 8/8/2018 8:54 pm : link
Lol, just need Sevvy to get his shit together.
A few months ago  
JoshB : 8/8/2018 8:55 pm : link
Stanton was extremely frustrating to watch, awful at bats, now it’s awesome to watch
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section125 : 8/8/2018 8:58 pm : link
In comment 14032931 arcarsenal said:
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Location obviously matters more, but whenever a pitcher has diminished velo it raises an eyebrow. This is the same guy who has thrown more 99+ mph pitches than anyone in this league by leaps and bounds - so, seeing him sit at 96 and get hit like this just makes me wonder if he's fatigued or not 100% healthy.



He does not throw 99 all the time. He avgs 97.6 or so. I saw a couple 98s in the 1st.
It is location and a cement mixer slider that have been most of the problem along with some pitch tipping.
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eric2425ny : 8/8/2018 9:01 pm : link
In comment 14032934 arcarsenal said:
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Romine has hit very well with RISP this year. Can't wait for Sanchez to get back - but he has at least been effective there.


No offense Arc, but Sanchez scares me this year. I can imagine him giving up runs due to his inability to contain pitches in key playoff moments. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt on the injury while he blows bubbles on his jog to first, but he needs to be better defensively.
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arcarsenal : 8/8/2018 9:04 pm : link
In comment 14032958 eric2425ny said:
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Romine has hit very well with RISP this year. Can't wait for Sanchez to get back - but he has at least been effective there.



No offense Arc, but Sanchez scares me this year. I can imagine him giving up runs due to his inability to contain pitches in key playoff moments. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt on the injury while he blows bubbles on his jog to first, but he needs to be better defensively.


He's not good defensively but his bat is a lot more of a threat than Romine or Higgy's. I think people are too down on him right now, This guy carried this entire offense when he came up in 2016 - he was very good last year, and is clearly the most talented C on the roster (and one of the most talented in the entire sport)

He will get it together and this lineup will be better when he's back in it.
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shockeyisthebest8056 : 8/8/2018 9:05 pm : link
In comment 14032958 eric2425ny said:
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No offense Arc, but Sanchez scares me this year. I can imagine him giving up runs due to his inability to contain pitches in key playoff moments. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt on the injury while he blows bubbles on his jog to first, but he needs to be better defensively.


Severino and Sabathia both have worse ERAs this season with Romine behind the plate... in the case of Sabathia, it's significantly worse. Nothing about Romine's defense made me feel better this past weekend in Fenway. I think that's overrated.
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arcarsenal : 8/8/2018 9:05 pm : link
In comment 14032953 section125 said:
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Location obviously matters more, but whenever a pitcher has diminished velo it raises an eyebrow. This is the same guy who has thrown more 99+ mph pitches than anyone in this league by leaps and bounds - so, seeing him sit at 96 and get hit like this just makes me wonder if he's fatigued or not 100% healthy.





He does not throw 99 all the time. He avgs 97.6 or so. I saw a couple 98s in the 1st.
It is location and a cement mixer slider that have been most of the problem along with some pitch tipping.


Not saying he does - just seems like there's a little less giddyup than usual and his stuff hasn't had the same bite.

9 pitch 2nd inning was just what the doctor ordered, though. Hopefully he can get on a bit of a roll here now that he's got a 4 run lead and can attack.
I like Romine as a backup.  
section125 : 8/8/2018 9:11 pm : link
But anyone who does not Sanchez back is sort of nuts...
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chopperhatch : 8/8/2018 9:14 pm : link
In comment 14032962 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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No offense Arc, but Sanchez scares me this year. I can imagine him giving up runs due to his inability to contain pitches in key playoff moments. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt on the injury while he blows bubbles on his jog to first, but he needs to be better defensively.



Severino and Sabathia both have worse ERAs this season with Romine behind the plate... in the case of Sabathia, it's significantly worse. Nothing about Romine's defense made me feel better this past weekend in Fenway. I think that's overrated.


Its a weird and bad fucking dilemma we have at C. The mobility issue behind the plate is confounding to me and one that can be taught. I also think he could use dropping some weight too. If not only for mobility the strain on his legs would be lessened. 230 is a BIG catcher unless you are Jose Molina. But he never let balls by him.
RE: I like Romine as a backup.  
Eman11 : 8/8/2018 9:15 pm : link
In comment 14032965 section125 said:
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But anyone who does not Sanchez back is sort of nuts...


Yup. The sooner he gets back the better too. I want him getting as much time as he can get to get his bat going and be smokin by October.

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shockeyisthebest8056 : 8/8/2018 9:22 pm : link
In comment 14032966 chopperhatch said:
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Its a weird and bad fucking dilemma we have at C. The mobility issue behind the plate is confounding to me and one that can be taught. I also think he could use dropping some weight too. If not only for mobility the strain on his legs would be lessened. 230 is a BIG catcher unless you are Jose Molina. But he never let balls by him.


I think Boone let it be known that he wasn't happy with Gary's weight this season. That's not an issue that will get solved before Spring. I just don't think the individual performance of our best pitchers suffers at all with Gary back there. (Just like Pettitte and Sabathia were still great in the playoffs with Posada catching, but Burnett needed Molina.) Tanaka was GREAT last postseason with Gary catching him. Plus, Cleveland and Boston just ran wild on us recently with Romine back there. The pitchers are certainly responsible for part of that, but I think teams do respect Gary's arm more.

I think it's important that the Yanks get Gary back when he's completely healthy and in a proper frame of mind as opposed to getting him back ASAP.
Sanchez has one big weakness as a catcher  
Greg from LI : 8/8/2018 9:24 pm : link
He doesn't block balls in the dirt well. He has a laser arm, frames pretty well, and calls a good game.
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arcarsenal : 8/8/2018 9:26 pm : link
Now that slider is starting to bite again. Nice pitch.
RE: Sanchez has one big weakness as a catcher  
chopperhatch : 8/8/2018 9:27 pm : link
In comment 14032977 Greg from LI said:
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He doesn't block balls in the dirt well. He has a laser arm, frames pretty well, and calls a good game.


I dont disagree. But that weakness has cost us multiple runs in singular games multiple times and Im pretty sure cost us 1 or 2 actual victories last year. That part is inexcusable to me.
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arcarsenal : 8/8/2018 9:32 pm : link
Have I ever mentioned that I love Aaron Hicks?

Boom!
I'll put it this way  
Greg from LI : 8/8/2018 9:33 pm : link
No one wins titles with an Austin Romine behind the plate
The Yankees  
JoshB : 8/8/2018 9:33 pm : link
Are finally taking advantage of awful pitchers
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eric2425ny : 8/8/2018 9:55 pm : link
In comment 14032981 chopperhatch said:
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He doesn't block balls in the dirt well. He has a laser arm, frames pretty well, and calls a good game.



I dont disagree. But that weakness has cost us multiple runs in singular games multiple times and Im pretty sure cost us 1 or 2 actual victories last year. That part is inexcusable to me.


Agree with both of you. He has cost us multiple games with that weakness and the jogging to first is little league stuff. While frustrating at the same time, the Gary Maniloaf headline in the Post a few weeks ago did me me laugh for a second. That being said, he can hit like crazy when he gets hot and that alone puts him ahead of Romine in the long run.
Sevy figured it out and finished strong:  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/8/2018 10:38 pm : link
7IP, 3R, 8K. Last pitch was 98mph.

Good to get the real Sevy back.
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arcarsenal : 8/8/2018 10:40 pm : link
Feeling a hell of a lot better about Sevy after that.

The slider was nasty once he got a good feel for it and he was still pumping some 99mph gas 100+ pitches in which certainly alleviated any concern I had about his velo.

Get 6 more outs and lets go home.
Gardner took a collarbone high strike 3  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 8/8/2018 10:43 pm : link
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Green gets out of it!  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/8/2018 10:56 pm : link
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The ump has a bug in his ear  
Jints in Carolina : 8/8/2018 11:09 pm : link
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LOL that was crazy  
Jints in Carolina : 8/8/2018 11:11 pm : link
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Beat the bad teams, and even sweep them at times.  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/8/2018 11:22 pm : link
We need more of this going forward and wish we did alittle bit more of it earlier this season, especially against the shit-house Orioles.
Boone  
Marty866b : 8/8/2018 11:38 pm : link
How in the world can he have Bird with his .215 batting average which is about his career batting average hitting cleanup. Bird should probably be in the minors if the Yankees had anyone decent to play his position. Andujar probably should be moved up to hit 3rd or 4th. He has been our best and steadiest hitter. If Bird has to play, he should hit behind Romine. Bird has been a complete disappointment and for the Yankees and their fans waiting for his breakout, good luck with that.
I do agree that it'd be nice if Bird started to get a tad more  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/8/2018 11:51 pm : link
consistent. Every now and then you'll see some flashes here and there, but I really hope he starts to get more consistent at the plate very soon.
these next few months are big for Bird's Yankee career  
Stu11 : 8/9/2018 8:29 am : link
He needs to be a consistent run producer, otherwise I could see Cash going out this off season and getting a 1B. At some point patience has to wear thin. I know he's shown some signs lately but he's just not been consistent enough.
RE: these next few months are big for Bird's Yankee career  
section125 : 8/9/2018 8:40 am : link
In comment 14033110 Stu11 said:
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He needs to be a consistent run producer, otherwise I could see Cash going out this off season and getting a 1B. At some point patience has to wear thin. I know he's shown some signs lately but he's just not been consistent enough.


Just bring Ford up! Yeah, they cannot afford to have Bird bobble throws and put up with a .220 BA. Problem is, Cash is the one who said he likely to be the best hitter in the organization.
RE: these next few months are big for Bird's Yankee career  
Dave in PA : 8/9/2018 8:41 am : link
In comment 14033110 Stu11 said:
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He needs to be a consistent run producer, otherwise I could see Cash going out this off season and getting a 1B. At some point patience has to wear thin. I know he's shown some signs lately but he's just not been consistent enough.
Absolutely. Cash would be well within reason to go get a more productive and stable option at 1B for next year unless Bird really starts producing like a legit MLB first baseman over the next 6 weeks
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arcarsenal : 8/9/2018 10:03 am : link
I wish Boone would just leave Bird alone a little lower in the order and just stick with it for a while. He seems like he's in such a rush to have Bird hitting in either the 3 or 4 hole which is ridiculous given the other options we have.

I don't understand the urgency to keep batting him in those spots. Move him back down a little, let him play every day, and see what happens.

I am still a believer that he's going to be a good hitter but we do need to start seeing some consistency now that he's healthy and has been able to play pretty regular for a good stretch here.
Cashman is all in on Bird  
arniefez : 8/9/2018 10:50 am : link
Bird's on scholarship. That's always an issue when a GM hypes a player in any organization in any sport.

The deal with Bird is that if he isn't an elite hitter he's a liability. He's an average at best 1B maybe below average and he can't run at all. So if he doesn't hit to an elite level he's a net negative.

If this is all the Yankees get out of him for the rest of the season hopefully over the winter they'll bring in someone to compete with him.

Jesus Christ...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/9/2018 11:12 am : link
this worldview across teams and sports is simply mind-boggling:

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arniefez : 10:50 am : link : reply
Bird's on scholarship


Both the Giants and Yanks are accused of having guys on scholarship which is ironic since your posts seem to belie a very limited intelligence that would likely know shit about scholarship particulars.
You should hear his thoughts on the Knicks...  
bceagle05 : 8/9/2018 11:13 am : link
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Bird had a moment last night that might be important  
rich in DC : 8/9/2018 11:17 am : link
In the middle innings, Bird hit a soft liner through the left side of the INF. Normally, that's an easy out to SS. However, with the shift teams employ vs. Bird, there is no SS and the 3B was nowhere near the ball, resulting in an easy hit. Not a bunt, just going the other way with the ball.

Kenny Singleton then noted that he a conversation with Bird about just that. They specifically talked about going the other way instead of trying to just hit everything as hard as possible (and into the shift). Singleton then noted that Bird said that would be his priority going into the off-season.

This is important for a simple reason- the Yanks need Bird to use the whole field. One of the reasons that Jeter amassed so many hits over the years was that he was willing to simply dunk the ball into RF if the pitch was away and just get on base. Bird has attempted to hit everything hard- resulting in a LOT of meaningless grounders on pitches away that he tries to hit hard.

If Bird is willing to take those hits to LF, teams will have to pick their moments for the shift instead of automatically employing it.

Bird needs to figure out when to simply take the ball the other way, and when to drive the ball. It comes down to better approach. How often have we seen Bird flail away at the breaking ball down or down and away- he can't hit it because he is trying to hit it as hard as he can- which means trying to pull it. If he is willing to just go with the pitch to LF, he will get hits- and force pitchers to adjust how they approach him. Only by turning breaking balls into opposite field hits will he force pitchers to throw more FB. Then he can sit on the FB and try to get the ball in the air to RF.

I think Bird simply needs more time. So do many of the other young bats. Andujar is showing signs that he is willing to start taking more walks- but that comes down to pitch recognition and laying off the breaking pitch away. Torres needs to lay off the high FB and swing less early in the count- but that also comes with experience.

I also think that both Bird and Sanchez should spend some time this winter working with an sports-based guy who works on the mental approach to the game. Teams have a book on both, but both appear to be struggling to accept how to adjust to what they are given- and both appear to have lost a great deal of confidence. They need to re-work their mental approach to allow them to accept and focus on success. Many teams and players have done this- it isn't magic or a shrink- it is just someone who fixes their mindset and improves the ability to accept what needs to change to be successful.
I'm thankful..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/9/2018 11:18 am : link
I don't.

It cracks me up when a poster reincarnates themselves and spews the same tired information and is called out almost immediately.

Arnie/Randal Graves finds a way to have a wrong take on every subject - apparently across sports other than baseball and football.
Ken Singleton's coming back next season on a more limited basis.  
bceagle05 : 8/9/2018 11:33 am : link
A couple of series each in Tampa and Baltimore (where he has houses), a couple of New York series, and one other road trip.
Sanchez isn't the best at blocking balls...  
Dunedin81 : 8/9/2018 11:36 am : link
but watch Higashioka and Romine try to catch this staff; they're not that much better. That's because almost everyone on this staff can throw pitches that flat-out move. Sevy, Gray, Chapman, Betances, D-Rob...all have wipeout breaking stuff that's difficult for anyone to catch. That doesn't mean he can't be better at it, but Sanchez's defense is not as bad as the PBs make it seem to be.
Bird is getting beat by fastballs to often  
arniefez : 8/9/2018 12:53 pm : link
It could just be all the time he's missed the past few years. We've seen flashes of him being an elite hitter at times but rarely this year.

After watching Mattingly, Tino & Tex if you think Greg Bird is a good 1B you're not being honest. If he doesn't hit he's worthless.
RE: Sanchez isn't the best at blocking balls...  
Greg from LI : 8/9/2018 3:23 pm : link
In comment 14033314 Dunedin81 said:
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but watch Higashioka and Romine try to catch this staff; they're not that much better. That's because almost everyone on this staff can throw pitches that flat-out move. Sevy, Gray, Chapman, Betances, D-Rob...all have wipeout breaking stuff that's difficult for anyone to catch. That doesn't mean he can't be better at it, but Sanchez's defense is not as bad as the PBs make it seem to be.


Truth.
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section125 : 8/9/2018 3:54 pm : link
In comment 14033555 Greg from LI said:
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but watch Higashioka and Romine try to catch this staff; they're not that much better. That's because almost everyone on this staff can throw pitches that flat-out move. Sevy, Gray, Chapman, Betances, D-Rob...all have wipeout breaking stuff that's difficult for anyone to catch. That doesn't mean he can't be better at it, but Sanchez's defense is not as bad as the PBs make it seem to be.



Truth.


Or perception....in reality Romine is better (not all star quality) at moving (Higgy is not and truly an AAA catcher) but Sanchez' arm is so much better than both. When he gets his stroke back, nobody will worry about the occasional misplayed ball.
the point is the Yankees have a staff that is difficult to catch  
Greg from LI : 8/9/2018 4:47 pm : link
and prone to tough pitches in the dirt
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