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Video of the 2004 draft with all 3 qbs is priceless

NYSports1 : 8/9/2018 12:37 am
The look on Leigh Steinberg makes it so much sweeter.

And Big Ben being the bully to Eli on the bus acting like a jerk.

And Robert Gallery in the back being a jerk as well. Who knew that guy was a complete mess and not worth a top 5 pick
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Also does anyone remember Chris Snee being  
NYSports1 : 8/9/2018 12:42 am : link
valued by teams as a 4th rounder like Mayock says on this clip of Snee being drafted in the top of the second. I always thought Sneed was rated as a top of the second or late 1st rounder
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Rivers (Who I Typically Don't Like)  
Trainmaster : 8/9/2018 1:55 am : link
comes across fine. Big Ben and Steinberg are real jerks.

Eli is very nervous. It seems obvious to me Archie (and maybe Peyton and Cooper) were being his "decision".

I love Roethlisberger and Hall...  
bw in dc : 8/9/2018 7:15 am : link
busting Eli’s balls because Archie didn’t want him to go to San Diego.

The Mannings acted like such spoiled jerk offs...

Wow  
cjac : 8/9/2018 7:26 am : link
Rothlisberger is a dick
Eli was put in a tough spot by his dad  
George from PA : 8/9/2018 7:49 am : link
But i suspect everyone ended up happy, especially Pittsburgh and the Giants with 2 Super Bowls each.

And Archie proven right as SD organziation has not delivered eventhough Rivers has done his part
And this..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/9/2018 8:01 am : link
just about sums up your warped Giant fandom:

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I love Roethlisberger and Hall...
bw in dc : 7:15 am : link : reply
busting Eli’s balls because Archie didn’t want him to go to San Diego.


Where most people come away with the take Ben is an asshole, you like the fact he's ripping on Eli.

Just one more glimpse into the poster who brings the gem Jints Central to a cartoonish exclamation.
RE: And this..  
dep026 : 8/9/2018 8:03 am : link
In comment 14033098 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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just about sums up your warped Giant fandom:



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I love Roethlisberger and Hall...
bw in dc : 7:15 am : link : reply
busting Eli’s balls because Archie didn’t want him to go to San Diego.



Where most people come away with the take Ben is an asshole, you like the fact he's ripping on Eli.

Just one more glimpse into the poster who brings the gem Jints Central to a cartoonish exclamation.


bingo.
...  
christian : 8/9/2018 8:20 am : link
Learning to have thick skin through the situation really benefited Manning's career.

I don't believe there's a single Giants fan who wouldn't think a player was a complete asshole if he and his famous father pulled that on the Giants.

He proved to be right, but he deserved every bit of grief he got for it.

At the time,  
Doomster : 8/9/2018 9:09 am : link
as I watched the draft, everything seemed to be set as far as the picks go....the media had stated the picks were set....

SD needed a qb, or so it thought....they had already seen Drew Brees play for them for three seasons, and did not feel that he was their future(how wrong were they about that?).....If they kept Brees and used that pick to trade with the Giants or Oakland, there were some stellar players out there, and who knows what might have happened...But SD picks Eli.....Did Eli not want to go to SD because Drew Brees was there? Look what happened to Rivers, he sat on the bench for two seasons while Brees played, and Archie, maybe a better talent evaluator than anyone in the SD front office, saw the same thing happening to Eli...Eli AND Archie wanted Eli to go to a team where he could start right away....

As for Oakland, they needed a qb bad, but there was no way SD was going to make a trade with a division rival...

Arizona needed a qb badly....can you imagine Larry Fitzgerald on the SD Chargers with drew Brees, Ladainian, Sproles, Gates, Vincent Jackson, etc., plus the extra picks?

I thought the Giants had no shot at Manning....yes, Eli said he didn't want to play for SD, but does anyone seriously think he would have sat out the season and not sign with SD?
For Ernie to pick Rivers over Roethlisberger, in hopes that SD would make a deal with the Giants was a huge gamble on Ernie's part(Ernie wanted Big Ben over Rivers)....

We will never know what might have happened if the Giants got Rivers/Roethlisberger and kept those picks....everyone can speculate all they want, but we will never know...

Ernie took a huge gamble to get the guy he wanted, and it resulted in 2 SB victories.....
RE: And this..  
Mr. Bungle : 8/9/2018 9:24 am : link
In comment 14033098 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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just about sums up your warped Giant fandom:



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I love Roethlisberger and Hall...
bw in dc : 7:15 am : link : reply
busting Eli’s balls because Archie didn’t want him to go to San Diego.



Where most people come away with the take Ben is an asshole, you like the fact he's ripping on Eli.

Just one more glimpse into the poster who brings the gem Jints Central to a cartoonish exclamation.

The good news is, if the Giants do well this year, he'll disappear again.

So there's that to root for.
No one will ever know, but I always had the impression  
Ira : 8/9/2018 9:36 am : link
that this was Eli's decision and Archie was taking the heat for his son. Anyway, I'm glad the way it worked out.
RE: And this..  
bw in dc : 8/9/2018 9:36 am : link
In comment 14033098 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Where most people come away with the take Ben is an asshole, you like the fact he's ripping on Eli.

Just one more glimpse into the poster who brings the gem Jints Central to a cartoonish exclamation.


It was a lighthearted, funny moment. In fact, it was very funny, largely driven by how totally uncomfortable Eli was with Project Archie. Even Eli couldn't help but laugh.
Here is the difference between Ben and Eli  
Chris684 : 8/9/2018 9:37 am : link
Ben is the guy you keep your daughter far away from.

Eli is the guy you want your son to be like.

It's absolutely hilarious  
QB Snacks : 8/9/2018 9:38 am : link
to me that anyone can relive that draft and come away calling anyone a jerk but Eli.

I love the guy but cmon, what he did at the draft was the definition of being a jerk!
Besides, everything the Mannings  
Chris684 : 8/9/2018 9:41 am : link
clearly wanted to stay away from was validated the day the Chargers fired Marty after a 14 win season.
RE: Here is the difference between Ben and Eli  
QB Snacks : 8/9/2018 9:43 am : link
In comment 14033177 Chris684 said:
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Ben is the guy you keep your daughter far away from.

Eli is the guy you want your son to be like.


You know them personally?
I don't need to..  
Chris684 : 8/9/2018 9:48 am : link
Both have been in the public eye long enough. That speaks for itself.
RE: I don't need to..  
QB Snacks : 8/9/2018 9:51 am : link
In comment 14033189 Chris684 said:
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Both have been in the public eye long enough. That speaks for itself.


Right, because nobody in the public eye has ever done stuff behind closed doors that ever came to light.

I love Eli. My favorite player. My dog is named after the guy. He probably defrauded countless people in the memorabilia industry.

In the video mentioned above Eli was given shit because he acted like a spoiled brat.
RE: RE: I don't need to..  
BigBlue4You09 : 8/9/2018 9:54 am : link
In comment 14033192 QB Snacks said:
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In comment 14033189 Chris684 said:


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Both have been in the public eye long enough. That speaks for itself.



Right, because nobody in the public eye has ever done stuff behind closed doors that ever came to light.

I love Eli. My favorite player. My dog is named after the guy. He probably defrauded countless people in the memorabilia industry.

In the video mentioned above Eli was given shit because he acted like a spoiled brat.


That’s not really on the same level as being accused of rape and being suspended by the league.
After watching him handle himself in NY  
Chris684 : 8/9/2018 10:00 am : link
for the last 14 years, I find it hard to believe that any NYG fan could question Eli Manning's character (especially in direct comparison to Ben's) or come away with the idea that the San Diego situation was about him being a "spoiled brat".
RE: I love Roethlisberger and Hall...  
fanofthejets : 8/9/2018 10:02 am : link
In comment 14033083 bw in dc said:
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busting Eli’s balls because Archie didn’t want him to go to San Diego.

The Mannings acted like such spoiled jerk offs...


They made the right move. Archie was not going to let his kids go through what he went through in New Orleans. Basically being a very talented piece of roadkill for a decade and never setting foot in the playoffs. Any good father would do the same.

The Chargers straightened things out but at that point they hadn't had a winning season in like 9 years. How could any of the Mannings believe in that franchise?
RE: It's absolutely hilarious  
fanofthejets : 8/9/2018 10:06 am : link
In comment 14033179 QB Snacks said:
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to me that anyone can relive that draft and come away calling anyone a jerk but Eli.

I love the guy but cmon, what he did at the draft was the definition of being a jerk!


He's not a jerk. It's business. It's not like he didn't work his ass off to get to become such a high pick. He wanted to make sure he ended up in the best possible place and he accomplished just that.
fanofthejets  
Dave : 8/9/2018 10:06 am : link
Thank you.

I suspect a lot of the people that rip the Mannings over this never saw Archie get the crap beat out of him his whole career on a poorly run franchise
It's been said since that the decision  
Chris684 : 8/9/2018 10:08 am : link
was one Eli made with his agent (Condon) and that Eli simply didn't like the way the Chargers handled QBs after Leaf, and Brees had a rough first 2 years there.

It is any incoming draft pick's right to play, or not to play for the team that picks him. If that person says he's willing to sit out a year and re-enter, as Eli said he would, how is it different than any other business decision made in football or any other walk of life?
Lol  
mittenedman : 8/9/2018 10:10 am : link
at people defending BigBen. Punching the seat like a 4th grader because he didnt like Eli’s decision? That smirk on his face should get smacked clean off.

Eli made a business decision and had every right to do so. Its his career - why shouldnt he have a choice just like the rest of us?

But no, theres immature men-children Ben & Gallery not getting a grownup decision.
It's a matter of perspective  
jcn56 : 8/9/2018 10:11 am : link
If you were a SD fan, you'd laugh with glee at everything Roethlisberger does, and resent Manning until the day you died.

As a Giants fan, we should be grateful - I highly doubt Rivers accomplishes anything beyond some playoff runs here, if the situations were reversed.

As a person - Eli's 21 at that point. If I were in his shoes, I'd be uncomfortable as hell but listen to every last word my father had to say. If they had someone on the inside (Schottenheimer) telling them SD was a disaster and it would wreck Eli's career, why on Earth wouldn't they use every angle available to them to try to keep him out of there?

I think people forget these guys work hard to make it to that point. He did nothing illegal or against the rules - he basically threatened to sit out and wait for the next year's draft, which is completely by the book. At that point - if a player is willing to go to those lengths, would you even want him on your team?
I find the dynamic odd..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/9/2018 10:15 am : link
that Giant fans throw shade on the draft day shenanigans.

Like jcn said above, I can see Chargers fans being hacked off.

Do Broncos fans have an irrational dislike for John Elway? No.

Do Colts fans dislike him? Yep.
To this day Archie claims  
Chris684 : 8/9/2018 10:15 am : link
it was Eli's call.

On top of the QB stuff, AJ Smith was not known to have a great reputation and if you look beyond the stuff with Eli, look at at Schottenheimer. Coaches typically don't get fired in the NFL after going 14-2.
Schottenheimer ties..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/9/2018 10:18 am : link
in closely. He's tight with the Mannings, so he gave them a forewarning about SD.

And it turned out to be foreshadowing as he was then canned after a highly successful season.

Looking back, everything that was said about SD came true, and Eli then helped deliver 2 SB's here.

That should be looked at as an awesome event for this franchise.
Thanks for sharing  
pjcas18 : 8/9/2018 10:26 am : link
this, it was great.

Steinberg is probably regretful of some of his facial expressions and comments.
I lived in SD at the time  
jestersdead : 8/9/2018 10:37 am : link
and people were livid with the Chargers and had hopes of Eli changing the franchise. Brees was not the player he is now and the stadium was half empty. Multiple times home games were blacked out on local TV due to lack of attendance.

Crazy to think those 3 draft selections resulted in 4 QBs being future Hall of Fame inductees (Brees)
That was really cool  
PatersonPlank : 8/9/2018 10:40 am : link
.
Hmmmmm....  
BBelle21 : 8/9/2018 10:46 am : link
“I love Eli. My favorite player. My dog is named after the guy. He probably defrauded countless people in the memorabilia industry.

In the video mentioned above Eli was given shit because he acted like a spoiled brat.”


You love Eli? Interesting way to show your love lol.

Eli was given shit because some people resent seeing an athlete or anyone for that matter, go against the establishment. I begrudge no athlete or individual who stands up for themselves and tries to control their destiny. Which is exactly what Eli did. If another player does what Kelly, Elway and Eli did, more power to them.

Spoiled brat? Ha! Ironically, over the years, and in that video, Big Ben showcased himself as the spoiled brat. Give me a break.
RE: I love Roethlisberger and Hall...  
djm : 8/9/2018 10:52 am : link
In comment 14033083 bw in dc said:
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busting Eli’s balls because Archie didn’t want him to go to San Diego.

The Mannings acted like such spoiled jerk offs...


Oh please. If you have the clout or draft day stature you can do whatever the hell you want to do. Teams don’t HAVE to draft you. If you’re a fringe talent and try to flex some draft day muscle you’re likely going to sink. If you’re an Eli Manning and don’t want to play somewhere in particular you can exercise whatever methods needed to avoid that destination. If it blows up in your face oh well that’s the risk you take.

Eli did what he felt was right. How does that entail acting like a soiled brat?
RE: RE: It's absolutely hilarious  
NDMedics : 8/9/2018 10:53 am : link
In comment 14033206 fanofthejets said:
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In comment 14033179 QB Snacks said:


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to me that anyone can relive that draft and come away calling anyone a jerk but Eli.

I love the guy but cmon, what he did at the draft was the definition of being a jerk!



He's not a jerk. It's business. It's not like he didn't work his ass off to get to become such a high pick. He wanted to make sure he ended up in the best possible place and he accomplished just that.


Thank you! This is spot on!
RE: RE: I don't need to..  
montanagiant : 8/9/2018 10:54 am : link
In comment 14033192 QB Snacks said:
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In comment 14033189 Chris684 said:


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Both have been in the public eye long enough. That speaks for itself.



Right, because nobody in the public eye has ever done stuff behind closed doors that ever came to light.

I love Eli. My favorite player. My dog is named after the guy. He probably defrauded countless people in the memorabilia industry.

In the video mentioned above Eli was given shit because he acted like a spoiled brat.

Are you really that fucking stupid that you don't remember that Ben was suspended for sexual assault and settled a rape lawsuit?
I also think it’s weird or convenient  
djm : 8/9/2018 10:55 am : link
To place the blame on Archie.

No one ever attributes it to Eli trying to avoid playing in the same conference as his brother and at the same time avoiding the same fate of his father. The chargers are a notoriously weird franchise and that’s being kind.

You want to fuck with the Nfl draft process? You most certainly can as long as your good enough and prepared for any backlash or pitfalls. It’s 100% legal and within the margins.
Few things:  
Keith : 8/9/2018 10:56 am : link
1. Is big ben really being a bully? Seems like good natured ribbing to me.

2. This decision and what Eli did, effected Ben and cost him a lot of money. He has every right to get annoyed at it.

3. Why is Eli a jerk? He clearly made the right decision.

4. Shouldn't us Giants fans be ecstatic that Eli did this? We got Eli and subsequently two SB trophies!
Outside of football  
fanofthejets : 8/9/2018 11:01 am : link
Eli Manning is an American football star who undertook a 5-year campaign in 2007 to raise $2.5 million for the construction of “The Eli Manning Children’s Clinics” at the Blair E. Batson Hospital for Children.

He works with the March of Dimes, Guiding Eyes for the Blind, American Red Cross, the Scholastic's ClassroomCare program, and Eli and his wife founded the Eli and Abby Manning Children's Clinics in Jackson, Miss. Manning especially is active with charities that focus on children

Manning especially is active with charities that focus on children. One of his most significant endeavors is his involvement with Tackle Kids’ Cancer, an initiative with Hackensack University Medical Center. Not only does Manning raise money and awareness for the program, he spends significant time with patients and doctors at the hospital’s pediatric cancer center.

https://nypost.com/2017/02/04/eli-manning-shares-the-nfl-man-of-the-year-award/

Not sure how the term spoiled brat or jerk can ever be used in the same sentence as Eli Manning
Two ++s Eli has over Big Ben  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 8/9/2018 11:02 am : link
-Doesn't backstab his backups
-Not rapey
And lastly  
djm : 8/9/2018 11:05 am : link
I like to consider myself a selfish giants fan first and foremost. I don’t give a fuck how a player might or might not alienate the Nfl all I care about is the NY Giants and how that player impacts the NY giants. How any “giants” fan can sit here and complain or blast Eli Manning for declaring that he ONLY wants to play for the Giants is simply mind boggling to me. Here’s a kid from Nfl royalty and the consensus top qb in the draft telling the world he WANTS the giants! He’s not scared off of big bad NYC he only wants us! And some of you miserable fucks HATE Eli for that?

What the hell is wrong with some of you? Wake the fuck up. It’s all about the giants and winning. That’s it!
Eli Manning did not say he wants  
Keith : 8/9/2018 11:23 am : link
the Giants. He was very clear in that. Eli Manning only said that he doesn't want to go to SD.
I know it worked out  
BestFeature : 8/9/2018 11:29 am : link
But I always wondered if it was a prudent move to do what Ernie did. He drafted a QB that wasn't his next choice hoping that a deal will go through. What if it didn't? Rivers is a good QB but Big Ben is better.
RE: RE: And this..  
Les in TO : 8/9/2018 11:54 am : link
In comment 14033176 bw in dc said:
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It was a lighthearted, funny moment. In fact, it was very funny, largely driven by how totally uncomfortable Eli was with Project Archie. Even Eli couldn't help but laugh.
the 3rd commandment of EliFanboyism is thou shall not laugh at any joke where Eli is mocked. so not surprising that your comment caused outrage from the devout adherents.
LOL..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/9/2018 11:59 am : link
Now I'm pretty sure you do this shit just to be a fuckwad:

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the 3rd commandment of EliFanboyism is thou shall not laugh at any joke where Eli is mocked. so not surprising that your comment caused outrage from the devout adherents.


Either you don't realize how moronic it makes you sound or you don't fucking care
...  
christian : 8/9/2018 12:02 pm : link
Because it worked out in the Giants favor doesn't equate to it not being objectively shitty.

If Barkley said through back channels -- the Giants have had 3 coaches in 4 years, were dreadful last year, have had several embarrassing public situations with how they've dealt with prominent players and coaches (how Coughlin was let go, how Manning was benched, how Macadoo and Reese were fired midseason) -- and that he didn't want to play for the current New York Giants that would be logical. And bratty and NYG fans would abhore him.

Acknowledging Manning did something that was both pragmatic and shitty isn't so hard or unloyal.

It worked out well for him - he won rings, he cemented his place in football history and made tons of money. It worked out for the Giants for largely the same reasons.
People here have acknowledged Chargers fans  
Chris684 : 8/9/2018 12:08 pm : link
have every right to be pissed off at and hold a grudge against Eli. So if Barkley did that to NYG, sure I wouldnt like him.

That doesn't mean that he would have done anything unfair or outside of his power.

I also wouldn't expect fans of whatever team Barkley wound up with to hold the same grudge against him as apparently some idiotic Giants fans hold towards Eli 2 Super Bowl championships later.
Christian  
mittenedman : 8/9/2018 12:12 pm : link
Sure idiots would be upset if Barkley did that. Just like idiots were upset with Eli. Not sure what your point is.

To a functional reasonable adult, there should be nothing “shitty” about what Eli did. He exercized his rights & was willing to deal with the consequences, including sitting out a year and reentering the draft. Why you think that’s “shitty” is your problem. He made a career decision and had every right to do so, just like you and I.
This thread  
RinR : 8/9/2018 12:14 pm : link
is getting the reaction the thread starter wanted knowing his position on Eli.

And yet, Britt takes shit and gets called names for being an Eli defender. Un-fucking-believable.....
RE: Eli Manning did not say he wants  
djm : 8/9/2018 12:20 pm : link
In comment 14033301 Keith said:
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the Giants. He was very clear in that. Eli Manning only said that he doesn't want to go to SD.


Semantics
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