...help me out here by describing different pass rush scenarios under Betcher's new scheme.
I ask because I was thinking about OV's role as weak side LB on obvious third down passing plays. What deception could be in store with this guy? Won't he be going forward (rather than dropping back into zone coverage) most of the time?
Any thoughts, insights much appreciated. Thanks in advance.
For example, Vernon has been rushing from both sides. The Giants have been sending their middle linebackers up the gut. And you know Bettcher is going to send Landon Collins a lot.
Most of the time Vernon will be moving forward as he should. LT dropped into coverage quite a bit too, but Parcells was smart enough to have him moving forward.
Listen to Bettcher's comments this week. He says OV is one of the best rushers he has ever had.
Listen to Bettcher's comments this week. He says OV is one of the best rushers he has ever had.
I've been saying I expect a breakout year for VO, and this pretty muchs confirms it. Didn't make much sense as a 4-3 LDE, we just had money to throw away, but will fit perfectly in Betcher 3-4. Fwiw eyeballing them, VO is a more natural pass rusher than Chandler Jones, especially in space.
As far as deceotion, there won't be much with OV, I think there won't be much, teams will realize he's moving forward almost all the time. It will be deceptive when he drops back.
...just reading these comments.
I can't wait for the season to begin!
Schematically, his blitz packages are designed to get immediate pressure to disrupt the modern quick passing game. He does not run a lot if useless delayed blitzes like Spags.
This is a REALLY big deal from a fan perspective. Most fans younger than 45-50 years old don't even remember the Giants being a 3-4 team.
The base look may only be utilized a small portion of the time. I think I read where Bettcher was in a "true" 3-4 D less than 15% of the time last year.
This year has so many things to be optimistic about. I'm happy it's finally here to enjoy.
The base look may only be utilized a small portion of the time. I think I read where Bettcher was in a "true" 3-4 D less than 15% of the time last year.
I hear you and we shall see, but it seems as if the base they are running at camp is three down linemen with four (or three if they are in the nickel) linebackers. The take-a-away here (and I know I keep sounding like a broken record) is that the LINEBACKERS are now supposed to be the play-makers.
So we're going to go from a defense where you can't even remember a play a linebacker made last year (seriously, can you? I can't) to one where the sacks and turnovers should be generated by the linebackers. And the 3-4 is going to allow much more flexibility with blitzing.
Now that said, we will see the "LBs" put their hands in the dirt too... we just don't know how much yet.
I think 1 of those times was prior to the '07 season.. and then we went and won it all, partially thanks to our great DL.
After '11 I stopped wondering, but I'm now excited. And I understand what Fatman is saying; there will be multiple formations.
Did not realize it has been 25 years since I saw the Gmen in a true 3-4 base. I know today's defenses blend between a 4-3 and a 3-4. Will keep an eye on OV and Carter to see how he progress through out the year.
Can we kick the ball off, yet??
The base look may only be utilized a small portion of the time. I think I read where Bettcher was in a "true" 3-4 D less than 15% of the time last year.
True, but even though a "true" 4-3 or3-4 is infrequently played, it is your base defense all the the time. A 4-3 D will often ply 4-2 or 4-1, but almost never a 3-4. A 3-4 can play 3-3, 3-2, 2-4, 1-5 etc, but almost never a 4-3. Obviously a 4-3 is more Dlinemen centric and 3-4 is more linebacker centric, and 3-4 is more versatile.
They have gotten terrific results and I am hoping the same for the Jints. Since Bettcher has said he will not keep it vanilla in preseason, I hope they will catch on faster than Spags' first tour (though we all wish for the same result).
This is a REALLY big deal from a fan perspective. Most fans younger than 45-50 years old don't even remember the Giants being a 3-4 team.
I'm excited about our defense, but some BBI posters who I respect a lot question our depth on the defensive line and
at linebacker. We have OV who is supposedly going to turn it around with the new defensive scheme. I hope so but I remember last year at training camp hearing how good JPP and OV where playing only to disappear in the regular season. So my expectations are tempered. We are counting on two rookies to play well (Hill and Carter), who knows how they will do. I guess I've become skeptical of training camp hype. I think we are a couple of injuries away from being mediocre up front on defense. I'm pumped about Shurmur and both of our new coordinators. I think things are moving in the right direction. Defense plays a couple of good games to start the season and I think there will be a lot of excitement on BBI.
...it was almost IMPOSSIBLE for a team to get a soft edge with Banks** on one end and LT on the other. No doubt the entire front seven had a lot to do with preventing the opposition from running wide. But I always felt the 3-4 was inherently better at stopping off-tackle runs for the simple reason that there were more defensive bodies spread out (five versus four) at the line of scrimmage.
**The amazing thing about Banks is that he would rarely cheat and play on the Tight End's (or Tackle's) outside shoulder. He always seemed to play square-up and at the snap he would just extend his vine arms and lock down / neutralize his man and then throw him off to one side depending on where the runner ended up. You just couldn't get around Carl Banks!
This is a REALLY big deal from a fan perspective. Most fans younger than 45-50 years old don't even remember the Giants being a 3-4 team.
I'd be excited if we had a Von Miller or Khalil Mack. A 3-4 without a guy like that is meh. I like OV but he's a decent to good pass rusher not a great one.
This is a REALLY big deal from a fan perspective. Most fans younger than 45-50 years old don't even remember the Giants being a 3-4 team.
...it was almost IMPOSSIBLE for a team to get a soft edge with Banks** on one end and LT on the other. No doubt the entire front seven had a lot to do with preventing the opposition from running wide. But I always felt the 3-4 was inherently better at stopping off-tackle runs for the simple reason that there were more defensive bodies spread out (five versus four) at the line of scrimmage.
Modern defenses are hybrids that incorporate principles from both schemes and move players around, so there's not as much difference as there used to be.
Inside, outside, one gap or two or even unblocked DTS..any one can play any spot for a down or two.