Mechanically the guy's feet and arm don't seem to be working together. For a guy that is a coach's kid and supposedly puts the work in, for that to be an issue this late in the game makes me wonder if it will ever get better.
Mechanically the guy's feet and arm don't seem to be working together. For a guy that is a coach's kid and supposedly puts the work in, for that to be an issue this late in the game makes me wonder if it will ever get better.
And with basically a full year to work on his mechanics since he was the number 3.
Mechanically the guy's feet and arm don't seem to be working together. For a guy that is a coach's kid and supposedly puts the work in, for that to be an issue this late in the game makes me wonder if it will ever get better.
Agree 100%. My concern is beyond this year. Eli is 38. If Webb and (likely) Lauletta aren't the guys, Gettleman can put together a kick ass roster, but it won't mean squat without a legit QB.
Mechanically the guy's feet and arm don't seem to be working together. For a guy that is a coach's kid and supposedly puts the work in, for that to be an issue this late in the game makes me wonder if it will ever get better.
Agree 100%. My concern is beyond this year. Eli is 38. If Webb and (likely) Lauletta aren't the guys, Gettleman can put together a kick ass roster, but it won't mean squat without a legit QB.
Are you fucking serious? It's a quarter of preseason play.
Yeah, I'm fucking serious. I don't care if it's the first play from scrimmage in the first pre-season game. There should be -some- improvement. Aside from the Barkley run, nada.
This is the same Webb that Ive said for months. This is who he is, poor deep Ball accuracy and trouble reading defenses. This is who he was Im college. Lets see what the next several series holds, hopefully improvement.
He was drafted by Reese. The other 3 QBs Reese drafted (Woodson, Bomar, Nassib) never amounted to anything or even showed improvement at the NFL level.
BBI. Deciding Webb is a failure after two series in the first preseason game. I have said I don't think either Webb or Lauletta is the long term successor to Eli, but it's way too early to make that decision.
BBI. Deciding Webb is a failure after two series in the first preseason game. I have said I don't think either Webb or Lauletta is the long term successor to Eli, but it's way too early to make that decision.
BBI. Deciding Webb is a failure after two series in the first preseason game. I have said I don't think either Webb or Lauletta is the long term successor to Eli, but it's way too early to make that decision.
He failed tonight, nobody's saying he's done.
The night isn't over, and a lot of posters have already said he's done.
well, at least the coverage was better on that one
BBI. Deciding Webb is a failure after two series in the first preseason game. I have said I don't think either Webb or Lauletta is the long term successor to Eli, but it's way too early to make that decision.
It isn't two series in a preseason game. It goes back to college.
Now I'm not a huge Mayfield guy, but watch him throw the ball compared to Webb. With Mayfield there is no wasted motion, and his feet are active. Compare that with Webb, whose feet are static and whose arm has a looping motion in his delivery.
Not in the same class. One guy has the physical body control needed and the other does not.
BBI. Deciding Webb is a failure after two series in the first preseason game. I have said I don't think either Webb or Lauletta is the long term successor to Eli, but it's way too early to make that decision.
He failed tonight, nobody's saying he's done.
Yup, exactly. We all hoped to see some progress, haven't seen any so far. Oh well
BBI. Deciding Webb is a failure after two series in the first preseason game. I have said I don't think either Webb or Lauletta is the long term successor to Eli, but it's way too early to make that decision.
He failed tonight, nobody's saying he's done.
The night isn't over, and a lot of posters have already said he's done.
It's not gonna mean a whole lot if he suddenly looks much better when he's playing 3rd and 4th teamers.
Especially when Mayfield is playing circles around him as a true rookie.
(And, full disclosure, I've been a Sooners' fan ever since I jumped on the Jamelle Hollieway team bandwagon when I saw them live in Lincoln against Nebraska), but Mayfield was the right choice at No. 1 -- he's the goods.
Well to be fair, people who have been worried about the Giants based on poor preseason play have had their worries validated often over the past 6 years or so.
If we're gonna go gaga over Barkley and Hernandez in preseason games, we can be critical of him. Wait til Darnold throws a couple of TDs tomorrow night.
Are you fucking serious? It's a quarter of preseason play.
Yeah, I'm fucking serious. I don't care if it's the first play from scrimmage in the first pre-season game. There should be -some- improvement. Aside from the Barkley run, nada.
That makes no sense. The first play from scrimmage in the preseason *was* the Barkley run.
BBI. Deciding Webb is a failure after two series in the first preseason game. I have said I don't think either Webb or Lauletta is the long term successor to Eli, but it's way too early to make that decision.
It isn't two series in a preseason game. It goes back to college.
Now I'm not a huge Mayfield guy, but watch him throw the ball compared to Webb. With Mayfield there is no wasted motion, and his feet are active. Compare that with Webb, whose feet are static and whose arm has a looping motion in his delivery.
Not in the same class. One guy has the physical body control needed and the other does not.
Agree on Webb. He looks like a poor mans Kerry Collins.
If we're gonna go gaga over Barkley and Hernandez in preseason games, we can be critical of him. Wait til Darnold throws a couple of TDs tomorrow night.
I don't think Webb is the backup long. Fingers crossed that Lauletta shows something, and does so quickly enough to bump Webb down the depth chart.
It's almost like a Davis Webb blooper reel at this point.
They get dominated everyday against the 2s and our 2s just got dickpunched.
how good can they be Dep? We are talking about a starting OL where we are crossing our fingers that they can be average this year. What can we expect from the guys who were not able to start on this team?
And Sharp couldn't catch a cold naked in Antartica.
Let's hope they both settle down a bit.
Granted that it is pre-season but the criticism of Webb was that he is a very inaccurate passer past 10 yards. I would have hoped he would flash tonight at a minimum. Those criticisms may be correct. I see a lot of Dave Brown.
Hold on a second. It was Dave G and Pat S who made the decision that this team did not need to draft Eli's eventual replacement because that guy was already on the roster. OR... was that BBI who invented that story?
STINKS if he is the heir apparent to replace Eli...... geesh it will be a long long long time before we sniff another SB trophy ........ i'm just saying
Hold on a second. It was Dave G and Pat S who made the decision that this team did not need to draft Eli's eventual replacement because that guy was already on the roster. OR... was that BBI who invented that story?
BBI invented that story. Giants decided none of the top guys were worth the #2 pick. They did draft another QB.
Hold on a second. It was Dave G and Pat S who made the decision that this team did not need to draft Eli's eventual replacement because that guy was already on the roster. OR... was that BBI who invented that story?
BBI invented that reasoning. Dave and Pat have been consistent in stating that they believe Eli has years left. Quite literally, Eli only has this year and next year on his contract. BBI's collective head will explode if Dave extends Eli to coincide with their stated belief.
Hold on a second. It was Dave G and Pat S who made the decision that this team did not need to draft Eli's eventual replacement because that guy was already on the roster. OR... was that BBI who invented that story?
BBI invented that story. Giants decided none of the top guys were worth the #2 pick. They did draft another QB.
this is the longest hes played in an NFL game yet. He hyped himself up all week. Im sure he just wants to do well. He just does not look composed. His mechanics are not in synch and hes kind of rushing throws and forcing things. Hes played well so far in practice, from all reports, but has to gather himself now.
Not doing himself any favors. Hell get a good shot next two weeks but hes not going to e instilling any confidence in being a backup even right now never mind some kind of future for us.
I will be honest Saquon could have had 100 yards in this game
and I'd be a bit concerned about the fact that we don't have a future starting QB on this roster (unless it's Lauletta). There's no guarantee that Darnold or anyone will be great but damn Webb is making me nervous.
Go back and watch his college clips. Same thing. This isn't about composure or being amped up. This might work in the Pac-10 but not in the NFL.
There's a couple things we know about the Giants under Reese:
1. They put a lot of draft value in size/speed guys (Webb looks the part)
2. They had no success drafting a QB
If Webb turns into something it will buck a lot of trends. If I'm Gettleman I'm keeping an eye on the waiver wire this preseason to get a guy that fits what Shurmur is trying to do. Webb ain't it.
RE: Supposedly Webb's one of the first guys in to work everyone morning.
Our starting offense could not do anything either. We had ONE run from Barkley and then a fortunate unsportsmanlike flag to extend our opening drive which was dead. That's it.
Hold on a second. It was Dave G and Pat S who made the decision that this team did not need to draft Eli's eventual replacement because that guy was already on the roster. OR... was that BBI who invented that story?
Huh? the joke was it was another one of Reese's fathead draft picks?
He didn't have a lot. He has everything else physically. At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if Lauletta (who IS accurate) passes him by next season.
was a spread offense QB in college. 60-65% of this throws were within 10 yards of the LOS. We he threw deep it was a lot of sideline "rail" throws, many to Henson, who is now with the Jets. He wasn't required to make a lot of reads and throws at the second and third levels. The question was whether he could learn to do so in the NFL.
Nice play by Johnson.
RE: Supposedly Webb's one of the first guys in to work everyone morning.
I like what we read about his work ethic - but I almost wonder if he needs to go out one night, get drunk, get laid, and sleep through his alarm for a change.
Its not lack of preparation with him, just seems like nerves/jitters. Whatever the reason, his timing and accuracy is way off tonight
Oh well. Giants look like shit in the preseason. What else is new
Hold on a second. It was Dave G and Pat S who made the decision that this team did not need to draft Eli's eventual replacement because that guy was already on the roster. OR... was that BBI who invented that story?
Huh? the joke was it was another one of Reese's fathead draft picks?
yeah and my point was that nobody forced this group of leaders to go into this season with Webb as our backup and heir apparent.
I saw in practice last Thur. Hes flat footed not using his lower body. He has to fight his way through this. He can play lets see what kind of guts he has
He didn't have a lot. He has everything else physically. At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if Lauletta (who IS accurate) passes him by next season.
Interesting... so glad accuracy is not important at the QB position.
thought Webb was a decent gamble because of his physical attributes. We also thought the Giants would be good enough to not be in a position to draft Darnold, Rosen, or Allen. But many teams of course also passed on Webb several times.
My point going into the draft was that they COULDN'T know because Webb never even got to practice with the first team last year. So, if you had no idea WTF you had in the guy, then how do you move ahead with him as your true #2? They needed a proven guy as an insurance policy in the event that Eli missed some time.
is making some right reads - sans the throw to ellison - but he is wound up and throwing high. needs to get the nerves out - this shit performance will be good for him in the long run.
guys please breathe...he threw only 34 times last preseason....this is his first action in game in a WHILE plus as mentioned he didnt get a good amount of time last preseason. give him some time. not saying he works out, but this is such a SMALL sample its insane
thought Webb was a decent gamble because of his physical attributes. We also thought the Giants would be good enough to not be in a position to draft Darnold, Rosen, or Allen. But many teams of course also passed on Webb several times.
It's the first half of the first preseason game for God's sake lol
My point going into the draft was that they COULDN'T know because Webb never even got to practice with the first team last year. So, if you had no idea WTF you had in the guy, then how do you move ahead with him as your true #2? They needed a proven guy as an insurance policy in the event that Eli missed some time.
*Even* knowing this (if after an isolated couple of series in preseason you can tell anything) they *still* made the proper draft call. Nothing about Webb changes or would have changed anything about the draft.
there is reason he has no resume his job is to pretend to be Elis capable backup for 2-3 years knowing we will never find out what it really looks like
He barely saw action last preseason and didn't really get snaps in practice last year. After his first few reps you could tell that he was a little too excited, I think he'll look better 2nd half.
Im mostly interested in seeing the arrow is pointing up
Agree, at first I thought it was the WR...no, bad throw.
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It was weird because the WR was open, but he was getting too close to the sideline. So I think Webb threw it inside on purpose, trying to lead him back in. He couldn't hit him in stride because it would have been out of bounds. I'm guessing either the WR started the route too close to the sideline (and thus ran out of room), or Webb should have threw it earlier. Not sure which one.
Agree, at first I thought it was the WR...no, bad throw.
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and he threw to the wrong side...
It was weird because the WR was open, but he was getting too close to the sideline. So I think Webb threw it inside on purpose, trying to lead him back in. He couldn't hit him in stride because it would have been out of bounds. I'm guessing either the WR started the route too close to the sideline (and thus ran out of room), or Webb should have threw it earlier. Not sure which one.
he just missed him. Even if the route was going another way, Webb had the corner lost in space and he should have just fired it right at the WR.
Look, Webb looks lost but I dont care. I want him firing away in preseason and learning the speed and nuances of the pro game. Keep throwing until you learn how to play QB.
He barely saw action last preseason and didn't really get snaps in practice last year. After his first few reps you could tell that he was a little too excited, I think he'll look better 2nd half.
Agreed. He could lay off the interviews for a bit, too, just my opinion.
He barely saw action last preseason and didn't really get snaps in practice last year. After his first few reps you could tell that he was a little too excited, I think he'll look better 2nd half.
Agreed. He could lay off the interviews for a bit, too, just my opinion.
Absolutely. The fluff pieces got a little out of hand.
Some of us are just having fun with it, but it's clear he hasn't actually developed. So he's kind of still that college QB. It's especially jarring when Mayfield is on the other sideline and looks incredibly poised and capable without a full season on the bench.
Between Mayfield and Webb. This is Mayfield's FIRST NFL action, and while Webb hasn't had much, but he's been in the league long enough he should be ahead. He's not.
Between Mayfield and Webb. This is Mayfield's FIRST NFL action, and while Webb hasn't had much, but he's been in the league long enough he should be ahead. He's not.
Mayfield was the first overall pick for a reason. It's not really fair to compare the two.
Well, 1st overall pick compared to 3rd round pick.
We've seen 1st round picks bust and this 3rd round pick has a year on Mayfield in the NFL. I know he was a backup, but still, he also gets to learn from one of the best on a daily basis.
Mayfield was the first overall pick for a reason. It's not really fair to compare the two.
I get that, but Webb has over a YEAR in the league of learning at Eli's side, watching film, etc.. He shouldn't be MORE jittery and nervous than a rookie QB -- even the first pick.
Well, 1st overall pick compared to 3rd round pick.
We've seen 1st round picks bust and this 3rd round pick has a year on Mayfield in the NFL. I know he was a backup, but still, he also gets to learn from one of the best on a daily basis.
First down, Mayfield.
Two things going against Webb: 3rd round AND spread offense. A lot of the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round guys that had success (Garapolo, Wilson, and Cousins) were pro-style QB's in college.
Mayfield was the first overall pick for a reason. It's not really fair to compare the two.
I get that, but Webb has over a YEAR in the league of learning at Eli's side, watching film, etc.. He shouldn't be MORE jittery and nervous than a rookie QB -- even the first pick.
He didn't play, he shadowed. He also had a different skillset with a different set of challenges, they're not really comparable.
Mayfield is really easy to take down. Thomas could have ended his season right there if he wanted. Funny getting thrown like a doll was the mercy play.
or wrongly, I don't think the Giants would have ever drafted Mayfield. He doesn't fit their size requirements for the position, and he had too many on and off the field incidents. Nothing major, but too much for the #2 pick.
Well, 1st overall pick compared to 3rd round pick.
We've seen 1st round picks bust and this 3rd round pick has a year on Mayfield in the NFL. I know he was a backup, but still, he also gets to learn from one of the best on a daily basis.
First down, Mayfield.
Two things going against Webb: 3rd round AND spread offense. A lot of the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round guys that had success (Garapolo, Wilson, and Cousins) were pro-style QB's in college.
Also, alot of people scoffed at the idea of Mayfield being picked so high.
Certainly, jury is still out as this is just one pre-season game, but it's a good start for him. His lack of height, which could be an issue, wasn't an issue tonight.
RE: Yeah, don't let people forget how many laughed at Mayfield
as a high pick. And certainly this game is proof of nothing, but he's ahead of the learning curve.
agreed. Many of us were laughed at for preferring him over Rosen/Darnold/Allen. Who knows what the future will hold but I still maintain that his accuracy is a bigger slam dunk than the other prospects..who cares if hes short.
Between Mayfield and Webb. This is Mayfield's FIRST NFL action, and while Webb hasn't had much, but he's been in the league long enough he should be ahead. He's not.
Mayfield was the first overall pick for a reason. It's not really fair to compare the two.
Webb's been in the league for a year he should be ahead.
I'd be crapping my pants that he's going to get hurt, even as impressive as he is.
Then again, we have a backup who couldn't hit Shaq from 3 yards out. Even if he looks durable.
Lauletta already looks to be much more accurate - on 2 throws
That's the concern with Mayfield. Is he going to stay behind the LOS when he scrambles, or regularly become a runner? If the latter, then he risks being hammered like RGIII, especially at his size.
He didn't play, he shadowed. He also had a different skillset with a different set of challenges, they're not really comparable.
Mayfield didn't play either! He was in college last year. Mayfield was a first overall pick and Webb was a project, BUT Webb has a YEAR ON HIM, ffs. A year of practicing and working with PROs. Mayfield doesn't.
Webb is bigger, and has a way stronger arm than Mayfield. But Mayfield has a good arm, is more accurate, gets football intrinsically, and LOOKS like the 1st round QB in his first outing. Webb looks like a career backup in his second preseason.
I bet Lauletta plays better tonight with a lesser skill set.
I'm not sticking a fork in Webb yet, but he's been BRUTAL tonight.
RE: As an aside, I really expected more penalty's for
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Its way too early to claim anything really. Same goes for Mayfield and Lauletta. Also remember the coaches see these guys in practice every day, so that affects things too.
Mayfield didn't play either! He was in college last year. Mayfield was a first overall pick and Webb was a project, BUT Webb has a YEAR ON HIM, ffs. A year of practicing and working with PROs. Mayfield doesn't.
Webb is bigger, and has a way stronger arm than Mayfield. But Mayfield has a good arm, is more accurate, gets football intrinsically, and LOOKS like the 1st round QB in his first outing. Webb looks like a career backup in his second preseason.
I bet Lauletta plays better tonight with a lesser skill set.
I'm not sticking a fork in Webb yet, but he's been BRUTAL tonight.
Mayfield was a 5th year Senior that had 3.5 years starting in college. He played in a spread like Webb, but he played for Lincoln Riley who uses a lot of modern pro concepts. Webb is a project with a redshirt year in a completely different system, he's still very green. We need to take the preseason puff pieces with a grain of salt, he's a midround project while Mayfield was a #1 overall with much more experience. This is not an apples to apples comparison.
But he looks really unnatural to the eye test. I'm a believer that you don't teach accuracy, and he looked terrible at that tonight, but like many said - he might have been amped to get reps or whatever.
Just a very poor showing for Webb - which looks worse when Lauletta comes in and immediately looks accurate
Mayfield looks awesome!! If I were OBJ Id want to go to the Browns
Mayfield didn't play either! He was in college last year. Mayfield was a first overall pick and Webb was a project, BUT Webb has a YEAR ON HIM, ffs. A year of practicing and working with PROs. Mayfield doesn't.
Webb is bigger, and has a way stronger arm than Mayfield. But Mayfield has a good arm, is more accurate, gets football intrinsically, and LOOKS like the 1st round QB in his first outing. Webb looks like a career backup in his second preseason.
I bet Lauletta plays better tonight with a lesser skill set.
I'm not sticking a fork in Webb yet, but he's been BRUTAL tonight.
Mayfield was a 5th year Senior that had 3.5 years starting in college. He played in a spread like Webb, but he played for Lincoln Riley who uses a lot of modern pro concepts. Webb is a project with a redshirt year in a completely different system, he's still very green. We need to take the preseason puff pieces with a grain of salt, he's a midround project while Mayfield was a #1 overall with much more experience. This is not an apples to apples comparison.
Webb's mechanics are bad, something that shouldn't be the case a year into the NFL
RE: Other than Stewart all of our RBs have looked great
The practice I saw Webb made Lauletta look outmatched. Webb looked terrible tonight. He looked clunky, mechanical and his throwing fundamentals were terrible- the opposite of practice. Obviously if he cant translate to game action he wont be here long. Lets be a little patient.
Webb's mechanics are bad, something that shouldn't be the case a year into the NFL
I agree, but I fear it may be worse than that. He has ALL the athleticism and physical ability in the world. But I'm afraid the problem is between his ears. (football IQ).
Some guys just get it, and some guys don't. Guys like Chad Pennington and Jason Garrett had it between their ears, but had weak arms. Lauletta is PLENTY accurate, and seems to get it. I HOPE he has ENOUGH arm to be more than a good backup. If not, he's Pennington -- a guy who can't attack the sidelines.
would have seen that the knocks against him were related to his ability to read the field and deliver the pass quickly enough. Some people wrote it as "slow to process" what he sees. I saw a bit of that tonight.
The practice I saw Webb made Lauletta look outmatched. Webb looked terrible tonight. He looked clunky, mechanical and his throwing fundamentals were terrible- the opposite of practice. Obviously if he cant translate to game action he wont be here long. Lets be a little patient.
I think this is proper perspective. Ignore the preseason hype and recalibrate your expectations, both short term and long, the guy is a project seeing his first real action in 2 years.
The practice I saw Webb made Lauletta look outmatched. Webb looked terrible tonight. He looked clunky, mechanical and his throwing fundamentals were terrible- the opposite of practice. Obviously if he cant translate to game action he wont be here long. Lets be a little patient.
There's also the possibility that you don't know what the hell you were watching.
needs more arm strength, but with proper training at the NFL level that might well be possible.
Considering how small his biceps looked in comparison to our punter, you have to be hopeful that a year in an "NFL weight room" will do wonders for his arms.
Let me explain that. We've all heard how meticulous Webb is with his note taking and his binders. He swems very much like people I have met in real life who are very intelligent, but the issue is the translation of that knowledge to what it is meant for. Webb seems so mechanical locking in on receivers because he has the "book smarts" of what he thinks is the right read, but not the natural ability to diagnose a D and react to it real time.
The overachiever part also goes back to past experience. How may times did you see a kid who was really good at a sport, but in the back of your mind you were also thinking if I got to play whatever sport year round like this kid I would kick his ass?
Webb seems like he has gotten to where he is because of a great work ethic which is comendible for sure, but I think he lacks that elite talent and natural ability to excel at the highest level of the sport.
me too!!! football is here! lets go blue! ]
heres to a great season BBI! Hope we all enjoy and have something to root for!!
Go Giants!
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He was probably stress eating last year because of McAclown. Excited to see our new offense with a real offensive mind!
Sharp needs to haul that in.
Of course it does, it's a whole new scheme
Yeah...a lot more loft on the ball
Give up lay in plus territory
Agreed on this. Line didn't do much, that was all Saquon
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Agreed on this. Line didn't do much, that was all Saquon
Flowers actually had the best block. He was the one guy who cleared out his man
Give up lay in plus territory
It wasn't a bad idea. Get it to Shepard 1-on-1 and see if he can get the first. The defender made a nice tackle
Saquon is unlike any RB the Giants have ever had.
followed by a nice workmanlike 4 for Stewart for the 1st
Really stays over his feet is my first initial thought.
Dang, could have been something with the screen to Stewart there.
crap
looked like it went off the RB's head to me
Agreed. He looks like hes running in quicksand compared to Barkley. And he almost got Eli killed there.
yeah, it's been a horrid two series for him aside from that decent 4 yd gain on 2nd and 3 in that last possession
Yes, but Halapio blew it first. They both missed the blitzer and that's Halapio's responsibility first as he's the OL
At least it wasn't one of those 50 yard punts with a 20 yard return...
Blocked the wrong guy....Both Halapio and Stewart went to block the same guy. Theyll learn from this.
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At least it wasn't one of those 50 yard punts with a 20 yard return...
Haha yup
Got nailed helmet to helmet by Ward on the play that was called taunting.
Don't know why ref didn't call that with all the emphasis.
Apple look lost on that play and ogletree just got smoked.
I guess thats what happened. They did blitz and got caught.
Cant win games with his arm.
It's been less than a quarter in preseason...
Yup. Bad throw by Webb.
Yup, 2 screens that were set up well, but QB/RB flubbed the pass
He got a screen pass tipped and botched a routine throw before that.
He just sucks
Because its preseason?
Nothing good so far from Webb.
The Law Firm of Harrison, Tomlinson & Hill
And with basically a full year to work on his mechanics since he was the number 3.
Agree 100%. My concern is beyond this year. Eli is 38. If Webb and (likely) Lauletta aren't the guys, Gettleman can put together a kick ass roster, but it won't mean squat without a legit QB.
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Why? What is the point of that? Seriously, give the kid 2 downs to see if he can convert.
Because its preseason?
Are you fucking serious? It's a quarter of preseason play.
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Mechanically the guy's feet and arm don't seem to be working together. For a guy that is a coach's kid and supposedly puts the work in, for that to be an issue this late in the game makes me wonder if it will ever get better.
Agree 100%. My concern is beyond this year. Eli is 38. If Webb and (likely) Lauletta aren't the guys, Gettleman can put together a kick ass roster, but it won't mean squat without a legit QB.
Eli is 37
Barkley and Hernandez by themselves are steps forward from last year
Awful start to the pre-season for him.
Punting game has been pretty solid thus far.
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From last year's shit show. Sadly, I see none.
Are you fucking serious? It's a quarter of preseason play.
Yeah, I'm fucking serious. I don't care if it's the first play from scrimmage in the first pre-season game. There should be -some- improvement. Aside from the Barkley run, nada.
Well, Njoku did. But no LB can run with that guy.
Ah, the measured perspective of the BBI game thread. How I have missed it!
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This is the same Webb that Ive said for months. This is who he is, poor deep Ball accuracy and trouble reading defenses. This is who he was Im college. Lets see what the next several series holds, hopefully improvement.
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Why? What is the point of that? Seriously, give the kid 2 downs to see if he can convert.
Because its preseason?
Um, yeah. Thats exactky why you see what he can do. How else are you going to evaluate the kid???
Because you want to evaluate the OL too?
From St Albans, no less. We kind of want to move there.
Not the same one who played here.
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It's the backups, lol
The backups to the backups at this point.
He failed tonight, nobody's saying he's done.
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It's the backups, lol
So is Cleveland
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BBI. Deciding Webb is a failure after two series in the first preseason game. I have said I don't think either Webb or Lauletta is the long term successor to Eli, but it's way too early to make that decision.
He failed tonight, nobody's saying he's done.
The night isn't over, and a lot of posters have already said he's done.
Hold em on this third!
Resident douchebag is a role you excel at.
I love BBI.
It isn't two series in a preseason game. It goes back to college.
Now I'm not a huge Mayfield guy, but watch him throw the ball compared to Webb. With Mayfield there is no wasted motion, and his feet are active. Compare that with Webb, whose feet are static and whose arm has a looping motion in his delivery.
Not in the same class. One guy has the physical body control needed and the other does not.
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BBI. Deciding Webb is a failure after two series in the first preseason game. I have said I don't think either Webb or Lauletta is the long term successor to Eli, but it's way too early to make that decision.
He failed tonight, nobody's saying he's done.
Yup, exactly. We all hoped to see some progress, haven't seen any so far. Oh well
Mayfield making our backup D look bad
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BBI. Deciding Webb is a failure after two series in the first preseason game. I have said I don't think either Webb or Lauletta is the long term successor to Eli, but it's way too early to make that decision.
He failed tonight, nobody's saying he's done.
The night isn't over, and a lot of posters have already said he's done.
It's not gonna mean a whole lot if he suddenly looks much better when he's playing 3rd and 4th teamers.
Especially when Mayfield is playing circles around him as a true rookie.
absolutely...
he looks so comfortable back there too.
I love BBI.
Well to be fair, people who have been worried about the Giants based on poor preseason play have had their worries validated often over the past 6 years or so.
Your posting is an embarrassment.
Sadface
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From last year's shit show. Sadly, I see none.
Are you fucking serious? It's a quarter of preseason play.
Yeah, I'm fucking serious. I don't care if it's the first play from scrimmage in the first pre-season game. There should be -some- improvement. Aside from the Barkley run, nada.
I predict 5-11.
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BBI. Deciding Webb is a failure after two series in the first preseason game. I have said I don't think either Webb or Lauletta is the long term successor to Eli, but it's way too early to make that decision.
It isn't two series in a preseason game. It goes back to college.
Now I'm not a huge Mayfield guy, but watch him throw the ball compared to Webb. With Mayfield there is no wasted motion, and his feet are active. Compare that with Webb, whose feet are static and whose arm has a looping motion in his delivery.
Not in the same class. One guy has the physical body control needed and the other does not.
Agree on Webb. He looks like a poor mans Kerry Collins.
Hes playing against the second and third string defense.
I don't think Webb is the backup long. Fingers crossed that Lauletta shows something, and does so quickly enough to bump Webb down the depth chart.
how good can they be Dep? We are talking about a starting OL where we are crossing our fingers that they can be average this year. What can we expect from the guys who were not able to start on this team?
I agree but the starting defense did get slapped around by Tyrod Taylor/Baker Mayfield and the Browns
Reminds me the way he looked in Norman, cool, collected and TOTALLY in control.
Almost got Raymond killed over the middle.
Yup he just looks way too amped up. Jittery and every throw high. That's why he needs these reps
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Its the preseason. I just dont want injuries. Newsflash, Giants scrubs suck.
I agree but the starting defense did get slapped around by Tyrod Taylor/Baker Mayfield and the Browns
The first team D shut down Mayfield. What are you talking about?
I do too. Highly underrated talent and a big time depth guy we will need during the season with a rookie RB and aging veteran in
Stewart.
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Its the preseason. I just dont want injuries. Newsflash, Giants scrubs suck.
I agree but the starting defense did get slapped around by Tyrod Taylor/Baker Mayfield and the Browns
No it didnt. The starting D wasnt in there vs Mayfield.
And Sharp couldn't catch a cold naked in Antartica.
Let's hope they both settle down a bit.
In a weak QB draft? No.
That train left the station.
And Sharp couldn't catch a cold naked in Antartica.
Let's hope they both settle down a bit.
Granted that it is pre-season but the criticism of Webb was that he is a very inaccurate passer past 10 yards. I would have hoped he would flash tonight at a minimum. Those criticisms may be correct. I see a lot of Dave Brown.
Hold on a second. It was Dave G and Pat S who made the decision that this team did not need to draft Eli's eventual replacement because that guy was already on the roster. OR... was that BBI who invented that story?
Jones can play C or G in a pinch, but they're boned if they lose any tackles.
Glad I wasnt the only one who noticed
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going to be using our #2 waiver wire claim quite a bit, including for OL and CB. Who besides Jones is safe as a backup OL?
Jones can play C or G in a pinch, but they're boned if they lose any tackles.
So are most NFL teams with decent QBs.
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going to be using our #2 waiver wire claim quite a bit, including for OL and CB. Who besides Jones is safe as a backup OL?
Jones can play C or G in a pinch, but they're boned if they lose any tackles.
So are most NFL teams with decent QBs.
Eh, Philly won a super bowl with a backup QB and LT.
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Davis Webb
Hold on a second. It was Dave G and Pat S who made the decision that this team did not need to draft Eli's eventual replacement because that guy was already on the roster. OR... was that BBI who invented that story?
BBI invented that story. Giants decided none of the top guys were worth the #2 pick. They did draft another QB.
Love you Saquan!
It was pretty telling that they went ahead and took Lauletta in the 4th. That wasnt just a value pick. The new regime really likes him.
Wow!
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Davis Webb
Hold on a second. It was Dave G and Pat S who made the decision that this team did not need to draft Eli's eventual replacement because that guy was already on the roster. OR... was that BBI who invented that story?
BBI invented that reasoning. Dave and Pat have been consistent in stating that they believe Eli has years left. Quite literally, Eli only has this year and next year on his contract. BBI's collective head will explode if Dave extends Eli to coincide with their stated belief.
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Davis Webb
Hold on a second. It was Dave G and Pat S who made the decision that this team did not need to draft Eli's eventual replacement because that guy was already on the roster. OR... was that BBI who invented that story?
BBI invented that story. Giants decided none of the top guys were worth the #2 pick. They did draft another QB.
Agreed.
Love you Saquan!
Its Saquon.
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going to be using our #2 waiver wire claim quite a bit, including for OL and CB. Who besides Jones is safe as a backup OL?
Jones can play C or G in a pinch, but they're boned if they lose any tackles.
Grecos a decent backup also at G or C.
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In comment 14034105 AcidTest said:
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going to be using our #2 waiver wire claim quite a bit, including for OL and CB. Who besides Jones is safe as a backup OL?
Jones can play C or G in a pinch, but they're boned if they lose any tackles.
So are most NFL teams with decent QBs.
Eh, Philly won a super bowl with a backup QB and LT.
Theyre an anomaly in the history of the last 25 years or so.
Webb is a mess right now. Completely inaccurate.
Maybe he needs glasses cause his throws are nowhere near them
...and guys were open too.
that's the plan. No competition for Eli. Eli sells mortgage the future.
- 1st team offense protected the duke - no TDs but no turnovers
- Teamers looking OK. Punting seems to be an upgrade over last year.
The negatives:
Too long to list. Bring back DRC.
Barkley is going to be fun to watch. I hope the o-line gets it together this year.
Looks like we need to find some players that can defend the pass or it's going to be a long season.
There's a couple things we know about the Giants under Reese:
1. They put a lot of draft value in size/speed guys (Webb looks the part)
2. They had no success drafting a QB
If Webb turns into something it will buck a lot of trends. If I'm Gettleman I'm keeping an eye on the waiver wire this preseason to get a guy that fits what Shurmur is trying to do. Webb ain't it.
not gonna lie, this literally made me LOL.
Webb: 50/50 chance he is waived before the fourth quarter
Barkley: Good so far
O-Line: Marginally better
Defense: Looks better
Our starting offense could not do anything either. We had ONE run from Barkley and then a fortunate unsportsmanlike flag to extend our opening drive which was dead. That's it.
Ive never heard that - Ive always heard aim chest high - right between the numbers. He is missing high.
But he's looked awful tonight. No way around it.
He's nowhere near starting level right now.
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Hold on a second. It was Dave G and Pat S who made the decision that this team did not need to draft Eli's eventual replacement because that guy was already on the roster. OR... was that BBI who invented that story?
Huh? the joke was it was another one of Reese's fathead draft picks?
- 1st team offense protected the duke - no TDs but no turnovers
WTF were you watching? Eli could have taken a knee on every play and the ball would be protected. The first team offense was horrible.
Nice play by Johnson.
I like what we read about his work ethic - but I almost wonder if he needs to go out one night, get drunk, get laid, and sleep through his alarm for a change.
Its not lack of preparation with him, just seems like nerves/jitters. Whatever the reason, his timing and accuracy is way off tonight
Oh well. Giants look like shit in the preseason. What else is new
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Davis Webb
Hold on a second. It was Dave G and Pat S who made the decision that this team did not need to draft Eli's eventual replacement because that guy was already on the roster. OR... was that BBI who invented that story?
Huh? the joke was it was another one of Reese's fathead draft picks?
yeah and my point was that nobody forced this group of leaders to go into this season with Webb as our backup and heir apparent.
I thought it was a wasted pick too. Now we know we were correct!
I mean now we clearly know
Interesting... so glad accuracy is not important at the QB position.
Hahahaha
What to do then? Watch the game and NOT react? I'm not understanding your rationale here
To who? The turf?
And another one. He should be winning the #2 RB job tonight
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Should have 2 tds
To who? The turf?
Hahahahaha. Some good stuff on this thread.
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Should have 2 tds
To who? The turf?
Hahahahaha. Some good stuff on this thread.
Guys were wide open twice and he missed them.
I mean now we clearly know
My point going into the draft was that they COULDN'T know because Webb never even got to practice with the first team last year. So, if you had no idea WTF you had in the guy, then how do you move ahead with him as your true #2? They needed a proven guy as an insurance policy in the event that Eli missed some time.
Wider what the route was.
The 2nd team offensive line frightening, the depth at WR is non-existent.
Agree, at first I thought it was the WR...no, bad throw.
n comment 14034237 Jimmy Googs said:
Agree, at first I thought it was the WR...no, bad throw.
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and he threw to the wrong side...
How do you know?
It's the first half of the first preseason game for God's sake lol
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Having a good night, nice blitz pick up.
And another one. He should be winning the #2 RB job tonight
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But why would they give up on the guy?
I mean now we clearly know
My point going into the draft was that they COULDN'T know because Webb never even got to practice with the first team last year. So, if you had no idea WTF you had in the guy, then how do you move ahead with him as your true #2? They needed a proven guy as an insurance policy in the event that Eli missed some time.
That never happens...
That never happens...
LMFAO. second was against the twos but i still laughed lol
Some of my college hookups were due to women looking better when a few deep.
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Agree, at first I thought it was the WR...no, bad throw.
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and he threw to the wrong side...
How do you know?
Im psychic...how the hell do you think I know?
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the opposing Tight End really took advantage of our defense, scoring twice.
That never happens...
LMFAO. second was against the twos but i still laughed lol
team needs to find identity not visible yet
Havent seen/read much about Rosen yet, but sounds like Jets are pretty fired up about Darnold so far
Agree, at first I thought it was the WR...no, bad throw.
n comment 14034237 Jimmy Googs said:
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and he threw to the wrong side...
It was weird because the WR was open, but he was getting too close to the sideline. So I think Webb threw it inside on purpose, trying to lead him back in. He couldn't hit him in stride because it would have been out of bounds. I'm guessing either the WR started the route too close to the sideline (and thus ran out of room), or Webb should have threw it earlier. Not sure which one.
What does that mean?
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Beer seems to make things better.
Some of my college hookups were due to women looking better when a few deep.
Balls or Beer?
Does Webb look better after a few?! Haha
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Agree, at first I thought it was the WR...no, bad throw.
n comment 14034237 Jimmy Googs said:
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and he threw to the wrong side...
It was weird because the WR was open, but he was getting too close to the sideline. So I think Webb threw it inside on purpose, trying to lead him back in. He couldn't hit him in stride because it would have been out of bounds. I'm guessing either the WR started the route too close to the sideline (and thus ran out of room), or Webb should have threw it earlier. Not sure which one.
Excellent analysis.
Thats funny, but yea, he needs something to relax him. Hes just not composed and his mechanics are falling apart.
Look, Webb looks lost but I dont care. I want him firing away in preseason and learning the speed and nuances of the pro game. Keep throwing until you learn how to play QB.
Playing Eli is a waste of time...
Agreed. He could lay off the interviews for a bit, too, just my opinion.
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Agree, at first I thought it was the WR...no, bad throw.
n comment 14034237 Jimmy Googs said:
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and he threw to the wrong side...
How do you know?
Im psychic...how the hell do you think I know?
Hmm. So what will the final score be?
Yup, thats one area we have strong starters and some decent depth
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don't overreact around here, that would make this experience even more unbearable.
What to do then? Watch the game and NOT react? I'm not understanding your rationale here
You're not understanding that there is a difference between reacting and overreacting.
It's August.
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is the interior rush d has been excellent for all the strings so far
Yup, thats one area we have strong starters and some decent depth
That is the strength of this defense.
We're back in business, baby! lol.
LMAO
Exactly what ya gotta do there!
If we're thinking of the same play, Stewart blew the protection there.
Simmons might be playing himself onto the team
I will quote you
LOL!
Agree.
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Both starters and backups. I can only remember one screw up, the blitz on Eli.
If we're thinking of the same play, Stewart blew the protection there.
Yes thats right, I forgot. So it wasn't on the Oline
He simply might not be good at football.
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He barely saw action last preseason and didn't really get snaps in practice last year. After his first few reps you could tell that he was a little too excited, I think he'll look better 2nd half.
Agreed. He could lay off the interviews for a bit, too, just my opinion.
Absolutely. The fluff pieces got a little out of hand.
Because our place kicker missed extra points last year. Need to make a decision on him.
He simply might not be good at football.
Some of us are just having fun with it, but it's clear he hasn't actually developed. So he's kind of still that college QB. It's especially jarring when Mayfield is on the other sideline and looks incredibly poised and capable without a full season on the bench.
In case anyone cared.
Agreed.
He breaks the pocket, but he makes good decisions and isn't wasting a lot of time with his feet.
yes was dying, i think it was rob thomas
Well, 1st overall pick compared to 3rd round pick.
A QB we can agree on!
;>)
Mayfield was the first overall pick for a reason. It's not really fair to compare the two.
Guice has a knee injury.
But Webb started over him in a bowl game....after Mayfield transferred!
I am not a huge Mayfield fan, however he is doing good things tonight but he has to stay in the pocket. He is gonna get hit.... a lot!
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Dude is on another level from Webb.
Well, 1st overall pick compared to 3rd round pick.
We've seen 1st round picks bust and this 3rd round pick has a year on Mayfield in the NFL. I know he was a backup, but still, he also gets to learn from one of the best on a daily basis.
First down, Mayfield.
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Dude is on another level from Webb.
But Webb started over him in a bowl game....after Mayfield transferred!
I am not a huge Mayfield fan, however he is doing good things tonight but he has to stay in the pocket. He is gonna get hit.... a lot!
Hehe. And he's too short, or something.
I get that, but Webb has over a YEAR in the league of learning at Eli's side, watching film, etc.. He shouldn't be MORE jittery and nervous than a rookie QB -- even the first pick.
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Dude is on another level from Webb.
Well, 1st overall pick compared to 3rd round pick.
We've seen 1st round picks bust and this 3rd round pick has a year on Mayfield in the NFL. I know he was a backup, but still, he also gets to learn from one of the best on a daily basis.
First down, Mayfield.
Two things going against Webb: 3rd round AND spread offense. A lot of the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round guys that had success (Garapolo, Wilson, and Cousins) were pro-style QB's in college.
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Mayfield was the first overall pick for a reason. It's not really fair to compare the two.
I get that, but Webb has over a YEAR in the league of learning at Eli's side, watching film, etc.. He shouldn't be MORE jittery and nervous than a rookie QB -- even the first pick.
He didn't play, he shadowed. He also had a different skillset with a different set of challenges, they're not really comparable.
That to me looks like the biggest issue - he looks smaller than I thought and breaking the pocket constantly could take its toll
I like how he threw him down like a rag doll
I'm rooting for him too. Lauletta too.
Mayfield is really easy to take down. Thomas could have ended his season right there if he wanted. Funny getting thrown like a doll was the mercy play.
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Dude is on another level from Webb.
Well, 1st overall pick compared to 3rd round pick.
We've seen 1st round picks bust and this 3rd round pick has a year on Mayfield in the NFL. I know he was a backup, but still, he also gets to learn from one of the best on a daily basis.
First down, Mayfield.
Two things going against Webb: 3rd round AND spread offense. A lot of the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round guys that had success (Garapolo, Wilson, and Cousins) were pro-style QB's in college.
Also, alot of people scoffed at the idea of Mayfield being picked so high.
Certainly, jury is still out as this is just one pre-season game, but it's a good start for him. His lack of height, which could be an issue, wasn't an issue tonight.
agreed. Many of us were laughed at for preferring him over Rosen/Darnold/Allen. Who knows what the future will hold but I still maintain that his accuracy is a bigger slam dunk than the other prospects..who cares if hes short.
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I'm rooting for him.
I'm rooting for him too. Lauletta too.
He's in now.
His fake "look how excited I am about sports!" voice and patronizing questions always annoyed me
Then again, we have a backup who couldn't hit Shaq from 3 yards out. Even if he looks durable.
Lauletta already looks to be much more accurate - on 2 throws
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Between Mayfield and Webb. This is Mayfield's FIRST NFL action, and while Webb hasn't had much, but he's been in the league long enough he should be ahead. He's not.
Mayfield was the first overall pick for a reason. It's not really fair to compare the two.
Webb's been in the league for a year he should be ahead.
Then again, we have a backup who couldn't hit Shaq from 3 yards out. Even if he looks durable.
Lauletta already looks to be much more accurate - on 2 throws
That's the concern with Mayfield. Is he going to stay behind the LOS when he scrambles, or regularly become a runner? If the latter, then he risks being hammered like RGIII, especially at his size.
Mayfield didn't play either! He was in college last year. Mayfield was a first overall pick and Webb was a project, BUT Webb has a YEAR ON HIM, ffs. A year of practicing and working with PROs. Mayfield doesn't.
Webb is bigger, and has a way stronger arm than Mayfield. But Mayfield has a good arm, is more accurate, gets football intrinsically, and LOOKS like the 1st round QB in his first outing. Webb looks like a career backup in his second preseason.
I bet Lauletta plays better tonight with a lesser skill set.
I'm not sticking a fork in Webb yet, but he's been BRUTAL tonight.
Can be called on every play. They probably won't call it much.
And a nicer, more accurate pass.
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Saquon Barkley on 39-yard run: "The offensive line did a great job of creating space and creating a hole.'' Barkley said TE Evan Engram "did an unbelievable job of blocking on the backside.''
I was just thinking if he eventually goes on to replace Eli I could take my old Dave Brown #17 jersey out of the closet and attach his name over Brown's on the back lol
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Saquon Barkley on 39-yard run: "The offensive line did a great job of creating space and creating a hole.'' Barkley said TE Evan Engram "did an unbelievable job of blocking on the backside.''
Impossible, I heard Evan Engram can't block.
It took Webb 10 attempts to complete 3 passes.
Well, I don't think we lose our seventh round pick if we cut him.
Then again, we have a backup who couldn't hit Shaq from 3 yards out. Even if he looks durable.
Lauletta already looks to be much more accurate - on 2 throws
LOL Are you trolling?
...before Mayfield is named the starter?
One?
Two?
Three at most?
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haha.
I'll take him here
DUH I know that...are you finished with Webb?
...before Mayfield is named the starter?
One?
Two?
Three at most?
Yeah. They're in a good spot, because Taylor looked quite good as well.
They may be able to trade Taylor for a decent pick if they decide to start Mayfield.
I think it was Orion Stewart
Yep, hes still got it.
First round talent, but a lot of character questions.
Webb is bigger, and has a way stronger arm than Mayfield. But Mayfield has a good arm, is more accurate, gets football intrinsically, and LOOKS like the 1st round QB in his first outing. Webb looks like a career backup in his second preseason.
I bet Lauletta plays better tonight with a lesser skill set.
I'm not sticking a fork in Webb yet, but he's been BRUTAL tonight.
Mayfield was a 5th year Senior that had 3.5 years starting in college. He played in a spread like Webb, but he played for Lincoln Riley who uses a lot of modern pro concepts. Webb is a project with a redshirt year in a completely different system, he's still very green. We need to take the preseason puff pieces with a grain of salt, he's a midround project while Mayfield was a #1 overall with much more experience. This is not an apples to apples comparison.
He just got pinched again too, I think he failed a drug test.
But he looks really unnatural to the eye test. I'm a believer that you don't teach accuracy, and he looked terrible at that tonight, but like many said - he might have been amped to get reps or whatever.
Just a very poor showing for Webb - which looks worse when Lauletta comes in and immediately looks accurate
Joking aside, Webb looks pretty bad. I dont know what he lacks can be learned.
Yep... the guy showed his magic at Oklahoma. Looks the same as a Pro. Looks like Browns finally made the right pick!!!
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Mayfield didn't play either! He was in college last year. Mayfield was a first overall pick and Webb was a project, BUT Webb has a YEAR ON HIM, ffs. A year of practicing and working with PROs. Mayfield doesn't.
Webb is bigger, and has a way stronger arm than Mayfield. But Mayfield has a good arm, is more accurate, gets football intrinsically, and LOOKS like the 1st round QB in his first outing. Webb looks like a career backup in his second preseason.
I bet Lauletta plays better tonight with a lesser skill set.
I'm not sticking a fork in Webb yet, but he's been BRUTAL tonight.
Mayfield was a 5th year Senior that had 3.5 years starting in college. He played in a spread like Webb, but he played for Lincoln Riley who uses a lot of modern pro concepts. Webb is a project with a redshirt year in a completely different system, he's still very green. We need to take the preseason puff pieces with a grain of salt, he's a midround project while Mayfield was a #1 overall with much more experience. This is not an apples to apples comparison.
Webb's mechanics are bad, something that shouldn't be the case a year into the NFL
Stewart is just brutally slow. Like out of the league slow.
That's a WIN.
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Webb's mechanics are bad, something that shouldn't be the case a year into the NFL
He supposedly has this insane work ethic, but he may not know what he should work on.
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Stewart is just brutally slow. Like out of the league slow.
He might be a pass protection guy, and veteran to make a sneaky play occasionally.
I agree, but I fear it may be worse than that. He has ALL the athleticism and physical ability in the world. But I'm afraid the problem is between his ears. (football IQ).
Some guys just get it, and some guys don't. Guys like Chad Pennington and Jason Garrett had it between their ears, but had weak arms. Lauletta is PLENTY accurate, and seems to get it. I HOPE he has ENOUGH arm to be more than a good backup. If not, he's Pennington -- a guy who can't attack the sidelines.
I think this is proper perspective. Ignore the preseason hype and recalibrate your expectations, both short term and long, the guy is a project seeing his first real action in 2 years.
Surprised Tanney is playing. Thought we'd see more of Lauletta.
hia game will be the pats game
We are screwed.
Of course we are! Why wouldnt we be? Any team loses their starting QB and they are likely screwed outside of the Eagles.
There's also the possibility that you don't know what the hell you were watching.
Considering how small his biceps looked in comparison to our punter, you have to be hopeful that a year in an "NFL weight room" will do wonders for his arms.
The overachiever part also goes back to past experience. How may times did you see a kid who was really good at a sport, but in the back of your mind you were also thinking if I got to play whatever sport year round like this kid I would kick his ass?
Webb seems like he has gotten to where he is because of a great work ethic which is comendible for sure, but I think he lacks that elite talent and natural ability to excel at the highest level of the sport.