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Ten Ton Hammer : 8/9/2018 9:29 pm
but at least he's not Josh Allen.

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Seen this before  
ThatLimerickGuy : 8/9/2018 10:06 pm : link
He is thinking too much and not just reacting.

You can almost see his brain working during the play.

The good ones can just think instinctively and make rapid decisions based on what they see.

Webb is going to be good. Give him a minute.
The curse of the Reese  
eric2425ny : 8/9/2018 10:08 pm : link
Third rounders continues...

Seriously though, letís see a few more outings before drawing any sort of conclusions. Most concerning to me at this point is the fact that we donít really have a legitimate third WR or third CB for that matter. Hopefully someone steps up.
Webb was bad  
AcesUp : 8/9/2018 10:09 pm : link
But this is 1/2 of the first preseason game, in the first real action in forever. Can we pump the brakes on the doom and gloom? We have a 37 year old starter, our backups will be developmental guys. That's how you build a roster with an older starting QB. Who exactly are we bringing in as a veteran backup? Kyle Orton?
They should have given Webb the 1st sting OL.  
since1925 : 8/9/2018 10:10 pm : link
At least, for one series. That would have been a little fairer for him.

Yep, he looked awful and very inaccurate. But he should have been put in a situation with a little more help.
RE: They should have given Webb the 1st sting OL.  
eric2425ny : 8/9/2018 10:13 pm : link
In comment 14034628 since1925 said:
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At least, for one series. That would have been a little fairer for him.

Yep, he looked awful and very inaccurate. But he should have been put in a situation with a little more help.


He will get action with the first line in the next few games, the first one is always like this.
Webb was supposed to challenge for a starting spot.  
Giant John : 8/9/2018 10:17 pm : link
Any more outings like that and he will be watching his TV at home.
Eli  
Iamhagg1 : 8/9/2018 10:18 pm : link
Better pray he doesnít get hurt and can play for another 5 years because Webb is trash. 17 should be the backup... Was expecting much more from Webb, but you can see the reason why Mayfield beat him out as a walk-on. Just face the fact he doesnít have the IT factor. He stinks! Itís okay he stinks, just move one from it...
RE: Webb was supposed to challenge for a starting spot.  
eric2425ny : 8/9/2018 10:19 pm : link
In comment 14034656 Giant John said:
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Any more outings like that and he will be watching his TV at home.


Starting spot this year? The last I checked he is a third round pick looking to win the primary backup role and develop with hopes of being a starter someday.
Davis  
CT Charlie : 8/9/2018 10:22 pm : link
will be fine.
Just going over some excuses on here  
twostepgiants : 8/9/2018 10:25 pm : link
It was his ďfirst real game action in foreverí

- isnt that true of every single other player on the field with him tonight?

It would have been ďfairerĒ for him to get a series with the starters

- didnt he play against backups? So he needs starters to play vs backups? If he cant play against backups then who can he play against in a real game?

Again, he played against guys who were not good enough to start on the Cleveland Browns - who have won 1-31 in the last 2 years.
To me  
NikkiMac : 8/9/2018 10:26 pm : link
It looked like Webb was nervous and thinking too much and it showed in his footwork and he wasnít getting the right drop going back to pass however it looked like as he settled down he was starting to get sharper and then he got pulled ..... I wouldnít give up on him yet !
RE: They could really use a veteran backup  
santacruzom : 8/9/2018 10:33 pm : link
In comment 14034609 Greg from LI said:
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Because Webb looks terrible and noodle arm Lauletta ain't much to write home about either.


And honestly, we can't be sure Eli is going to be any great shakes either.
If your not an accurate passer  
Hammer : 8/9/2018 10:34 pm : link
You cannot be an NFL quarterback.

The one play that stands out in my mind was the long flag pattern where the receiver was open between the corner back and the safety. Web had time to see it open up and time to make the throw. He missed it horribly.

I don't care how nervous Web was nor how inexperienced he is.

He showed that he is inaccurate. He's not the guy.
Actually I'm a bit glad he did bad  
montanagiant : 8/9/2018 10:36 pm : link
Now we see what kind of mental make-up he has. Kid has pressure on him due to the fiasco last year was and he either steps up and comes out blazing next week or we know he is not worth it.

It's mainly in the head, let's see what kind of focus he has
Webb..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/9/2018 10:36 pm : link
should probably get the benefit of the doubt for being too amped, but what really was worrying is what Hammer said.

Webb had time to make quite a few throws and just flat out missed.

All reports indicate that Webb didn't look anything like this  
eclipz928 : 8/9/2018 10:38 pm : link
in practice. I'm sure some players, especially at the QB position, take longer than others to shake off the nerves. Way too early to start writing this guy off.
Jay Cutler  
spike : 8/9/2018 10:38 pm : link
is available..
I like 17 better  
JPinstripes : 8/9/2018 10:39 pm : link
The kid's poised back there, looks like he belongs - Webb not so much.
I was never a believer in Webb  
Jay on the Island : 8/9/2018 10:39 pm : link
I won't base his future outlook on tonight but his accuracy wasn't just a little off tonight. He was way off and most of his throws. He has very impressive arm strength but if he doesn't read defenses better and dramatically improve his accuracy he could be out of the league after his rookie deal expires like Nassib.

Lauletta on the other hand played pretty well. He might actually make a run at the backup spot.
Good point..  
Thunderstruck27 : 8/9/2018 10:44 pm : link
we need to reserve the excuses for Eli
I'm a Webb fan ...  
Manny in CA : 8/9/2018 10:45 pm : link

But to me he's trying way too hard to be an Eli Manning.

He's a lot more athletic, which means he can move & run better. He has just as big an arm; but he MUST avoid doing what may keep Manning out of the HOF - keep throwing the ball high.

If I were the QB coach, I'd be SO tempted to SCREAM into his helmet mike - Throw to the numbers !
RE: I'm a Webb fan ...  
montanagiant : 8/9/2018 10:53 pm : link
In comment 14034728 Manny in CA said:
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But to me he's trying way too hard to be an Eli Manning.

He's a lot more athletic, which means he can move & run better. He has just as big an arm; but he MUST avoid doing what may keep Manning out of the HOF - keep throwing the ball high.

If I were the QB coach, I'd be SO tempted to SCREAM into his helmet mike - Throw to the numbers !

That is exactly what I expected. A more experienced Baker Mayfield clone
The thing I dwell..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/9/2018 11:05 pm : link
on with Webb is that there aren't many historical success of guys recently who sit for a year, basically as a redshirt, who then have the skillset to be an eventual starter.

He was basically treated as if he didn't belong in the league last year as they didn't even get him meaningful reps in practice.

When someone is that significantly behind the curve, I can't imagine it is good.

Being a hard worker and student is great, but QB isn't really a position I believe you learn how to do the basics. You either have them or you don't.
Webb is a book smart overachiever  
slickwilly : 8/9/2018 11:05 pm : link
Let me explain that. We've all heard how meticulous Webb is with his note taking and his binders. He seems very much like people I have met in real life who are very intelligent, but the issue is the translation of that knowledge to what it is meant for. Webb seems so mechanical locking in on receivers because he has the "book smarts" of what he thinks is the right read, but not the natural ability to diagnose a D and react to it real time.

The overachiever part also goes back to past experience. How may times did you see a kid who was really good at a sport, but in the back of your mind you were also thinking if I got to play whatever sport year round like this kid I would kick his ass?

Webb seems like he has gotten to where he is because of a great work ethic which is comendible for sure, but I think he lacks that elite talent and natural ability to excel at the highest level of the sport.
RE: RE: I'm a Webb fan ...  
eric2425ny : 8/9/2018 11:07 pm : link
In comment 14034738 montanagiant said:
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In comment 14034728 Manny in CA said:


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But to me he's trying way too hard to be an Eli Manning.

He's a lot more athletic, which means he can move & run better. He has just as big an arm; but he MUST avoid doing what may keep Manning out of the HOF - keep throwing the ball high.

If I were the QB coach, I'd be SO tempted to SCREAM into his helmet mike - Throw to the numbers !


That is exactly what I expected. A more experienced Baker Mayfield clone


Me too, stupid front office. Canít draft a guy in the third round in 2017 that looks as promising as the #1 overall pick in 2018!
RE: Webb is a book smart overachiever  
eric2425ny : 8/9/2018 11:08 pm : link
In comment 14034747 slickwilly said:
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Let me explain that. We've all heard how meticulous Webb is with his note taking and his binders. He seems very much like people I have met in real life who are very intelligent, but the issue is the translation of that knowledge to what it is meant for. Webb seems so mechanical locking in on receivers because he has the "book smarts" of what he thinks is the right read, but not the natural ability to diagnose a D and react to it real time.

The overachiever part also goes back to past experience. How may times did you see a kid who was really good at a sport, but in the back of your mind you were also thinking if I got to play whatever sport year round like this kid I would kick his ass?

Webb seems like he has gotten to where he is because of a great work ethic which is comendible for sure, but I think he lacks that elite talent and natural ability to excel at the highest level of the sport.


Great post, if he fails I think you have nailed it here.
Manny..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/9/2018 11:09 pm : link
are you fucking kidding??

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He's a lot more athletic, which means he can move & run better. He has just as big an arm; but he MUST avoid doing what may keep Manning out of the HOF - keep throwing the ball high


Throwing the ball high would be a reason Eli doesn't get in the HoF??

My God you are a fucking lunatic.
RE: The thing I dwell..  
Go Terps : 8/9/2018 11:42 pm : link
In comment 14034746 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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on with Webb is that there aren't many historical success of guys recently who sit for a year, basically as a redshirt, who then have the skillset to be an eventual starter.

He was basically treated as if he didn't belong in the league last year as they didn't even get him meaningful reps in practice.

When someone is that significantly behind the curve, I can't imagine it is good.

Being a hard worker and student is great, but QB isn't really a position I believe you learn how to do the basics. You either have them or you don't.


The guy doesn't have it. It's no insult to him, but he doesn't have it. Any snaps they give him moving forward are wasted.
Webb will be fine  
joeinpa : 8/9/2018 11:44 pm : link
Paul Dottino has promised. He s why the Giants didn t draft a quarterback

We can trust Paul, remember last season when he told us how hard Hart and Flowers were working, that they s be fine.

Paul s objective and honest, we can trust him....trust me!
to my eyes, on that run for first down inside the 10  
ColHowPepper : 8/9/2018 11:45 pm : link
Webb did not look very athletic at all, stumbling, a bit stiff as he reversed field (if one can call it that), not fluid at all. I said to myself, holy shite, he's a bigger, stronger version of an Eli bumbling run.
RE: RE: RE: I'm a Webb fan ...  
montanagiant : 8/10/2018 12:04 am : link
In comment 14034749 eric2425ny said:
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In comment 14034738 montanagiant said:


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In comment 14034728 Manny in CA said:


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But to me he's trying way too hard to be an Eli Manning.

He's a lot more athletic, which means he can move & run better. He has just as big an arm; but he MUST avoid doing what may keep Manning out of the HOF - keep throwing the ball high.

If I were the QB coach, I'd be SO tempted to SCREAM into his helmet mike - Throw to the numbers !


That is exactly what I expected. A more experienced Baker Mayfield clone



Me too, stupid front office. Canít draft a guy in the third round in 2017 that looks as promising as the #1 overall pick in 2018!

Oh you nailed it...A complete projection that doesn't apply at all is absolutely definitive Skippy!!
First preseason game so no final judgments but  
TD : 8/10/2018 12:36 am : link
Iíve said from the start he has the qualities of a great future coach (QB coach or whatever) but I just am not sold on him as a QB.

Kent Graham ceiling.
The First Half Was Terrible  
Giants34 : 8/10/2018 1:11 am : link
One of the worst halves of football I remember a QB playing during the preseason. You people who advocated taking Barkley over the QBs better hope that Lauletta is the answer, because it's difficult to envision any QB playing that badly possessing the ability to turn it around.

Look, you guys might not want to face facts, but 3rd round and later QBs rarely translate to anything big in the NFL. Franchise QBs come from the very top. We passed on our chance at one because our GM literally mocks the use of analytics. As good as Barkley may be, if we don't have a QB, none of it will matter. The fact that you Barkley enthusiasts still don't get that is dumbfounding to me.
I made a comment earlier this week...  
Jim in Tampa : 8/10/2018 6:16 am : link
That I thought Webb might even take over for Eli at some point this year. It was based on the knowledge that Webb seemed "OK" during last year's pre-season games and we were hearing good things about him in camp. But I forgot that the major knock on Webb was an inaccurate arm.

It doesn't matter what other positive attributes you have as a QB. If you're not an accurate passer you can't even be a backup in the NFL.

It's like the line from an Elvis Costello song..."Good manners and bad breath get you nowhere."
He threw a perfect ball  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 8/10/2018 6:30 am : link
To the left corner for what should have been a TD but Raymond turned the wrong way. This kid was amped up for sure, but his WRís and TEís he was throwing to all suck.

I suspect he will be better next week.
not going to take any conclusion from webb far yet  
micky : 8/10/2018 6:34 am : link
but..if this pans out like last night, then not grabbing a qb in draft, may loom big downline here

but wait.....
Shurmur may be a QB whisperer,  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 8/10/2018 7:01 am : link
but with Webb he is going to have to shout. I don't think Webb makes it to the 4th preseason game. I feel bad for him bc he has worked hard and he does seem to be a good guy, but he just can't think the game fast enough, and his inaccuracy is appalling.
Webb  
giantfan2000 : 8/10/2018 7:17 am : link
the worst problem for Webb was Mayfield was playing on the Browns
so you could starkly tell a rookie QB that is the real deal vs a QB that had no business being out there

I think there is a real shot that Webb doesn't make the roster..
LOL...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/10/2018 7:49 am : link
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I said to myself, holy shite, he's a bigger, stronger version of an Eli bumbling run.


You just described Kerry Collins!!
This board never let's me down! lol  
TheMick7 : 8/10/2018 8:02 am : link
First game,kid was obviously amped up so it's easy to paint the gloom & doom so many have already done & decided we need a new #2. He's had mostly good reports from camp.he went out last night trying to impress a regime he wasn't drafted by & it was his first actual game in a year! He obviously has a strong arm & Shurmur/Shula will work with him to harness it effectively. This coming week, he'll get a lot of time vs the Lions D which should help his acclamation. Webb will be fine!
First live action under a new system  
JonC : 8/10/2018 8:38 am : link
so let's give him some time. But, it is a bit of a downer that he displayed the same issues with throwing high, being inaccurate with vertical routes 10+ yards, and just couldn't get much rhythm.
the other thing is  
JonC : 8/10/2018 8:39 am : link
he has no touch, no arc on his downfield passes. He displays a great idea but it needs to translate to physical action on the field.
Maybe he could lay off the interviews for a bit now....  
Britt in VA : 8/10/2018 8:40 am : link
Probably best that McAdoo didn't get a chance to start him the final three games last year, eh?

I did think it was funny that Papa and Banks used the term "hospital ball" to describe Webb's first throw.
RE: This board never let's me down! lol  
lax counsel : 8/10/2018 8:44 am : link
In comment 14034892 TheMick7 said:
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First game,kid was obviously amped up so it's easy to paint the gloom & doom so many have already done & decided we need a new #2. He's had mostly good reports from camp.he went out last night trying to impress a regime he wasn't drafted by & it was his first actual game in a year! He obviously has a strong arm & Shurmur/Shula will work with him to harness it effectively. This coming week, he'll get a lot of time vs the Lions D which should help his acclamation. Webb will be fine!


What makes you say Webb will be fine, because he works hard? I assume you never saw Webb play a minute in college, because if you had, you would have immediately noticed that this is the guy he was in Cal. Amped up or not, same glaring flaws exist now that existed in his college days. He struggled to read a defense post snap, his accuracy beyond 10 yards is abysmal, and he has no feel for the pocket.

Itís not simply one preseason game, itís a history of this kind of play. Itís apparent to me that most fans only looked at a YouTube highlight and his college stats and concluded he was going to be great. Because if any of you watched him in college, you would have seen more of the same.
Webb looked awful  
Matt G : 8/10/2018 8:54 am : link
It wasn't even just the fact that he couldn't hit the ocean from the beach... His poise and awareness in the pocket was terrible as well... I would say the latter was where you could see the greatest difference between him and Mayfield...
Webb did have a rough night for sure....  
BillKo : 8/10/2018 9:02 am : link
...but let's see what he brings to the table next week.

It's kinda how you judge QBs. Is he going to let this game define his camp, or will he bounce back?

Giants aren't giving up on him yet.

But I will say, he wasn't this regime's draft choice - and what I saw of the other kid - he looked poised if nothing else.
RE: RE: This board never let's me down! lol  
TheMick7 : 8/10/2018 9:04 am : link
In comment 14034955 lax counsel said:
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In comment 14034892 TheMick7 said:


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First game,kid was obviously amped up so it's easy to paint the gloom & doom so many have already done & decided we need a new #2. He's had mostly good reports from camp.he went out last night trying to impress a regime he wasn't drafted by & it was his first actual game in a year! He obviously has a strong arm & Shurmur/Shula will work with him to harness it effectively. This coming week, he'll get a lot of time vs the Lions D which should help his acclamation. Webb will be fine!



What makes you say Webb will be fine, because he works hard? I assume you never saw Webb play a minute in college, because if you had, you would have immediately noticed that this is the guy he was in Cal. Amped up or not, same glaring flaws exist now that existed in his college days. He struggled to read a defense post snap, his accuracy beyond 10 yards is abysmal, and he has no feel for the pocket.

Itís not simply one preseason game, itís a history of this kind of play. Itís apparent to me that most fans only looked at a YouTube highlight and his college stats and concluded he was going to be great. Because if any of you watched him in college, you would have seen more of the same.


You obviously don't go on this board enough,since the "Webb will be fine" is a parody of the "Eli will be fine"! You make good points about his past history but I think I'll give him the benefit of the doubt as he's been working since the off season of 2017 to work on his shortcomings. Now,did some of them resurface last night? Yes,they did but I think it's way too early to hang the kid out to dry after one game. He's got a week of going against the Lions D & next Friday's game to right the wrongs. He has talent,he has a strong arm-it's up to this staff to make him right.If we're still seeing the same things by the Jets game,then the acceleration of Lauletta to #2 or the bringing in of a vet as #2 will certainly be in play. But,if the coaching staff continues to show patience in his development,hopefully the fanbase will as well(Yeah,I know that won't happen)!
Really disappointing  
Harvest Blend : 8/10/2018 9:05 am : link
All I saw was Dave Brown and that's really not fair to Dave Brown.
Need to give Webb a Viagra.  
BigBlue in Keys : 8/10/2018 9:06 am : link
Not only could he not put it through the hole, he couldn't even hit the tire.
RE: Really disappointing  
Rong5611 : 8/10/2018 10:23 am : link
Webb was worse that Dave Brown last night. Absolutely awful.

Hopefully he settles down and improves this week.

In comment 14035009 Harvest Blend said:
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All I saw was Dave Brown and that's really not fair to Dave Brown.
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