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uther99 : 8/9/2018 9:39 pm
Was a horrible signing, should be cut.
Would've been nice to be able to use that money on CB depth.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/9/2018 9:40 pm : link
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MIght be a pass pro guy....  
Britt in VA : 8/9/2018 9:42 pm : link
and a veteran that can make the occasional crucial play.
Holy overreaction lol  
ZGiants98 : 8/9/2018 9:42 pm : link
Didn't he pick up a tough first down on the like the second drive? lol. He's going to be goalline short yardage back.
And we did use a premium  
ZGiants98 : 8/9/2018 9:43 pm : link
resource on CB depth. Unfortunately he got hurt and is lost for the season.
uther99  
EricJ : 8/9/2018 9:44 pm : link
is another guy who has no idea why we signed Stewart. It was NOT to come here and be a productive running back.
He's likely going to..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/9/2018 9:45 pm : link
be used on short yardage and the goal line.

I was most disappointed that he whiffed on a blitz pickup actually, but what the fuck is up with the "we need to cut him" comments?
RE: uther99  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/9/2018 9:46 pm : link
In comment 14034554 EricJ said:
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is another guy who has no idea why we signed Stewart. It was NOT to come here and be a productive running back.


Then it was a waste of money.
Stupid sigining  
Mr. Nickels : 8/9/2018 9:51 pm : link
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christian : 8/9/2018 9:51 pm : link
Stewart looks comically slow.

Being a 3rd down or short yardage back still requires the requisite physical talent. In a small space you'd want someone with explosion or size. Not someone who looks knee deep in cement. I just don't see it with Stewart.
That's odd..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/9/2018 9:53 pm : link
because he actually picked up a 3rd and short first down tonight.

Lots of hyperbole here
Stupid sigining  
Mr. Nickels : 8/9/2018 9:53 pm : link
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We as fans complained about bad apples  
dep026 : 8/9/2018 9:54 pm : link
and a bad lockerroom. Now we sign a veteran who by all accounts is a great leader, can mentor Barkley, and he is a wasted signing?
he is here  
nygiants16 : 8/9/2018 9:58 pm : link
to be a short yardage, goal line pounder type back, he is the change of pace guy...

barkley is going to get the majority of the touches
RE: uther99  
uther99 : 8/9/2018 9:59 pm : link
In comment 14034554 EricJ said:
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is another guy who has no idea why we signed Stewart. It was NOT to come here and be a productive running back.


So if he's not here to be a productive back, then why the salary? He's also consuming a roster spot
RE: MIght be a pass pro guy....  
ron mexico : 8/9/2018 10:00 pm : link
In comment 14034546 Britt in VA said:
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and a veteran that can make the occasional crucial play.


He had a big whiff In pass pro tonight
Iím glad to see...  
Chris in Philly : 8/9/2018 10:03 pm : link
nobody is overreacting to the first preseason craptacular this year!
This thread sucks  
BigBlue4You09 : 8/9/2018 10:04 pm : link
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RE: We as fans complained about bad apples  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/9/2018 10:05 pm : link
In comment 14034584 dep026 said:
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and a bad lockerroom. Now we sign a veteran who by all accounts is a great leader, can mentor Barkley, and he is a wasted signing?


It's a salary cap league. You don't pay premiums for intangible things like 'leadership', especially when you also are taking on a LB on a bloated contract who is also a 'leader'. But at least Ogletree is a starting-quality player. Nobody who's thinking clearly or spending their own dollars pays a premium for an old backup after drafting a superstar.
RE: RE: We as fans complained about bad apples  
ZGiants98 : 8/9/2018 10:09 pm : link
In comment 14034614 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 14034584 dep026 said:


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and a bad lockerroom. Now we sign a veteran who by all accounts is a great leader, can mentor Barkley, and he is a wasted signing?



It's a salary cap league. You don't pay premiums for intangible things like 'leadership', especially when you also are taking on a LB on a bloated contract who is also a 'leader'. But at least Ogletree is a starting-quality player. Nobody who's thinking clearly or spending their own dollars pays a premium for an old backup after drafting a superstar.


Stewart was signed long before the draft.
RE: That's odd..  
eric2425ny : 8/9/2018 10:11 pm : link
In comment 14034578 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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because he actually picked up a 3rd and short first down tonight.

Lots of hyperbole here


Exactly, heís the short yardage guy, we havenít had one of those in years. I bet Gallman gets a split share of the touches with Stewart behind Barkley to start the year and gets phased in more and more.
You'd swear..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/9/2018 10:13 pm : link
Stewart signed top starter-type money.

His contract has been very overflated here from the get-go.

He also was signed prior to the draft, where his expected workload would've been more if we didn't draft Barkley.
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christian : 8/9/2018 10:13 pm : link
There are good character guys who aren't completely shot.

Stewart can still get a yard in the NFL, and that frankly just isn't impressive or a reason to keep a guy on a roster.

There are 3-4 other backs on the roster who can fill the short yardage role and also contribute in other situations.

More than 90% of his snaps last year were on 1st and 2nd down and was awful. He's slow and lacks explosion.

I don't subscribe to the theory that old broken down former feature backs are good bottom of the roster players.
RE: You'd swear..  
christian : 8/9/2018 10:16 pm : link
In comment 14034635 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Stewart signed top starter-type money.

His contract has been very overflated here from the get-go.

He also was signed prior to the draft, where his expected workload would've been more if we didn't draft Barkley.


If Stewart was ever in anyone's plan to have anything approaching more workload, that's comical.
He had almost 700 rushing yards last year. lol  
ZGiants98 : 8/9/2018 10:17 pm : link
Holy smokes. He's not even going to be asked to do anything close to that anymore. He's backup now. RB appears to be the least of our worries at the moment.
Stewart had usefulness..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/9/2018 10:18 pm : link
to the Panthers last year. Him and McCaffery were good change of paces and he kept the workload off of Christian.

The Panthers didn't have an exceptional WR corps, so the majority of the work was with the RB's and Olsen (and Cam running).

I don't expect Stewart to be a workhorse. I expect him to play solidly in a short yardage and goalline role.

And although he whiffed in pass protection tonight, he's consistently been good in that role.

Acting like he's dogshit is an overreaction, and frankly by a few posters who should know better.
We can  
uther99 : 8/9/2018 10:23 pm : link
agree to disagree, i think he is overpaid and wasting a roster spot. I'd rather see SB at the goal line.
LOL..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/9/2018 10:35 pm : link
"agree to disagree" as you start a thread saying a guy was a horrible signing and should be cut?

If that's the takeaway from the game tonight, then I'll just agree to agree that you're likely a poster that sucks ass
Keep in mind  
DavidinBMNY : 8/9/2018 10:49 pm : link
Some of the plays they called for Stewartt are plays he will not be featured on in the regular season. I honestly think they just want to pace Barkley.
I'm also..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/9/2018 11:00 pm : link
interested to see how Shurmur deploys the RB's.

He took a guy many had given up on last year - Latavius Murray and integrated him into the offense quite well after Cook was injured.

I would imagine Barkley will get the majority of snaps until they get to the goalline and when he's spelled, it will be with Gallman.

The contract thing is so overblown. He's only guaranteed $1.4M this year, which isn't too much over the vet minimum and is over a million less than Rhett Ellison's guaranteed salary. People see raw numbers and have a cow.
RE: I'm also..  
eric2425ny : 8/9/2018 11:05 pm : link
In comment 14034742 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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interested to see how Shurmur deploys the RB's.

He took a guy many had given up on last year - Latavius Murray and integrated him into the offense quite well after Cook was injured.

I would imagine Barkley will get the majority of snaps until they get to the goalline and when he's spelled, it will be with Gallman.

The contract thing is so overblown. He's only guaranteed $1.4M this year, which isn't too much over the vet minimum and is over a million less than Rhett Ellison's guaranteed salary. People see raw numbers and have a cow.


Heís a solid short yardage guy and a veteran leader at a cheap price relatively speaking. Itís the typical panic meltdown over losing preseason week 1 at BBI. I was just happy they scored on their first drive, I remember them looking like total shit every opening preseason drive in the McAdoo offense even when he was just the offensive coordinator.
Simmons  
chopperhatch : 8/9/2018 11:08 pm : link
Looked like the sane type of back but with more burst.
From what I've read  
santacruzom : 8/9/2018 11:18 pm : link
Stewart's cap hit this year is nearly 4 million, and would count around 3,400,000 if cut in dead money.

I'm just curious about whether we competed against anyone else to sign him.
My god some people are really stupid  
djm : 8/9/2018 11:43 pm : link
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I didn't like the signing  
mrvax : 8/10/2018 12:01 am : link
but I'm willing to be patient and see how he plays out. (As if I had a choice.)
RE: Iím glad to see...  
Larry in Pencilvania : 8/10/2018 12:47 am : link
In comment 14034610 Chris in Philly said:
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nobody is overreacting to the first preseason craptacular this year!


And you're shocked why
To be fair most of this board was critical  
bhill410 : 8/10/2018 3:31 am : link
Of the signing at the time it occurred. Just a dumb amount of money, how many running backs in this league have a 4 million dollar cap hit? To say he is only a third down back misses the boat that itís a bizarre signing at that number
His salary puts him at 22nd overall and if you go by cap hit  
bhill410 : 8/10/2018 4:04 am : link
He is actually around 16/17 overall. Combined with Barkley thatís a whopping 11 million committed to running back position. When the signing occurred the giants had to have known that it was likely they would draft a running back in 1st or second. To commit that type of resources to a lower tier position while there were so many holes on this roster is just confusing.

And to just further pile on, isnít the point of drafting a running back at 2 overall that they are a 3 down back? Can we stop saying short yardage back, you think Elliot or Bell is coming out on 3rd and 1??? We drafted Barkley because he is allegedly a generational running back, if thatís the case he better be in there on short yardage plays.
Vet Leadership  
JPinstripes : 8/10/2018 4:38 am : link
Guys like Solder, Stewart, Barwin, Thomas and Ogletree are all veteran guys brought in to show the younger pups how to go about business and be a professional in the NFL.
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Peppers : 8/10/2018 4:51 am : link
Its an awful contract if you're only looking at production on the field and where else we could've used those resources. However, Stewart is a great locker room leader. He's perfect having around Barkley. That mentorship could end up being invaluable.

Its basically a 1 year deal with Stewart I'd suggest just swallowing it as that.. and also give him more than just a few preseason snaps.
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UberAlias : 8/10/2018 5:32 am : link
In comment 14034834 Peppers said:
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Its an awful contract if you're only looking at production on the field and where else we could've used those resources. However, Stewart is a great locker room leader. He's perfect having around Barkley. That mentorship could end up being invaluable.

Its basically a 1 year deal with Stewart I'd suggest just swallowing it as that.. and also give him more than just a few preseason snaps.
Barkley is as clean a prospect as you can get. The guy says and does everything right. Iím not against Stewart óI really liked seeing him pick up that 3rd down. But Barkley is one of the highest paid RBs in the league and is a clean prospect. The team didnít invest another salary at RB because of Barkley. Stewart has been firmly the second back on depth chart and gets lots of reps with the ones. They signed him because they like him as a back. Right or wrong. There is a narrative floating around here that doesnít match the facts.
In just 1 preseason game, Barkley showed he doesnít like to pound  
Ivan15 : 8/10/2018 7:06 am : link
inside.

Stewart may not have the skills he once had, but he can still do that job.
I would not be surprised to see Barkley and Stewart together in the backfield on some short yardage plays.
RE: Vet Leadership  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/10/2018 7:43 am : link
In comment 14034833 JPinstripes said:
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Guys like Solder, Stewart, Barwin, Thomas and Ogletree are all veteran guys brought in to show the younger pups how to go about business and be a professional in the NFL.


Solder, Thomas, and Barwin are solid examples of bringing in pros with the added benefit of them being able to help younger players.

But those guys are also playing for or trying to push for needed roles. It makes no sense to try to explain this as "well they need a short yardage back" when they spent a 2nd overall pick for a franchise RB like that makes sense. Barkley's worth the pick but he should come off the field in 3rd-and-1s? What the hell are people talking about?

If you needed a big back to take snaps, just sign Darkwa again and let him fight with Gallman. It's like fans are compelled to defend this move by instinct, and the defenses in play here are all contradictory. They "need leadership" after spending all offseason brining in guys who already have that trait.

"People are going nuts about the contract", yeah, when the team has sunk a ton of money at the RB position that is clearly Barkley's job and other areas of the roster are clearly paper thin. There is no point in handing out $6m over two years for Stewart to "mentor" Barkley. That's why you pay coaches. To do that job.
Stewart  
crick n NC : 8/10/2018 7:48 am : link
Will help keep Barkley fresh since stewart Will be the battering ram. As for the screw up on pass pro I'm not sure who was at fault. I do know that Stewart didn't make it this long in this league being poor at pass pro (blitz pickup).

WIP people WIP
Stewart accounts..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/10/2018 7:53 am : link
for less than 2% of the cap.

There is a lot of hand wringing over nothing.
I certainly  
crick n NC : 8/10/2018 7:56 am : link
Have never scene hand wringing over nothing on this forum before. This is a strange phenomenon
Fat man thatís an utterly ascinine analysis.  
bhill410 : 8/10/2018 8:17 am : link
If the going rate for x corner is 4 million but we canít sign a nickel corner because we have 4 million tied up on a guy who wonít see the field more than 4 times a game I donít see how percentage is relevant. Or perhaps a slot receiver. However you dice it 4 million could have been much better spent.
Actually..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/10/2018 8:23 am : link
the asinine analysis is acting like Stewart is worthless and that any guy can be a short yardage back. It has been as much of a weakness on this team as a nickel CB - you could actually argue that it has been more of an issue.

The asinine assumption is that Stewart is worthless. He actually converted a 3rd and short, which is what he'll be called to do in the regular season. He looked bad on a pitch to the left and a sweep, two plays he likely won't run in the regular season.

If you want to discuss asinine - here's asinine. People see Simmons score a TD in a preseason game and say he could do a better job than stewart.
I don't know  
santacruzom : 8/10/2018 10:33 am : link
About whether Simmons could adequately replace Stewart, BUT I'm comfortable predicting that by season's end, Stewart's production will place him in a tier of running backs whose appearance average cap number is, at most, half of his.
Don't know  
santacruzom : 8/10/2018 10:34 am : link
How the hell the word appearance got in there.
I would cut him  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 8/10/2018 12:15 pm : link
For some of our backup backup RBs who looked good.
Ridiculous early signing  
Jimmy Googs : 8/10/2018 12:30 pm : link
that based on how the draft turned out should absolutely be looked at as a waste of money. Dave Gettleman favor he owed from the Carolina days.

And a veteran RB missing blocking assignments the way he did last night was egregious...
RE: Vet Leadership  
Jimmy Googs : 8/10/2018 12:34 pm : link
In comment 14034833 JPinstripes said:
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Guys like Solder, Stewart, Barwin, Thomas and Ogletree are all veteran guys brought in to show the younger pups how to go about business and be a professional in the NFL.


Like showing ridiculous judgment on pass protection assignments??

Yes, quite the professional...
The Stewart signing is fine.  
Brown Recluse : 8/10/2018 12:35 pm : link
Heís not keeping them from signing a CB. If they really wanted someone, theyíd move money and figure out how to sign them regardless.

You people...  
Chris in Philly : 8/10/2018 12:38 pm : link
are exhausting...
Well his tape is for everyone to see  
Jim in Forest Hills : 8/10/2018 12:39 pm : link
Stewart was as slow as molasses last year, that was evident to the fans let alone coaches. They brought him here regardless so its for other reasons to help the team.
short yardage sure, and change of pace I guess...  
Giants_West : 8/10/2018 2:53 pm : link
but if whoever pulls Barkley off the field in goal line should be summerarily fired.
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