And then Ellison doesn’t look for the ball. A completion here is a first down and extended inside the red zone.
To me, that's disappointing. It's elementary football, and it's being handed to you in the first preseason game. All vanilla, and we don't execute. Why is that?
Like I said on the other thread, I wanted this staff to have the team more prepared looking.
But again, it's only the first game.............
Came into the game concerned about the depth at WR and CB Â
and tonight's performance by both units didn't help ease those concerns one bit. Still baffles me how our WR struggle to get separation, it's an issue that has been going on the past couple seasons.
It is difficult to distinguish this pre-season game from last year’s. Without the turnover just outside Cleveland’s goal line, the offense would have been stuck at a 42-yard FG. The defensive backfield is terrible.
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Lol, did McAdoo’s offense score anything on an opening drive in any of the preseason games? It’s a new offense and defense to learn, lots of new faces, etc. it wouldn’t surprise me to see a shitty preseason, maybe even a rough first 2 games and then see them click.
This can be a 6-win team. The perennial optimism will be darkened by the fact that other teams are better.
Vanilla offensive and defensive playbooks. No Odell. Not sure what people were expecting.
Problem is that the same can be said about Cleveland. Baker was, hands down, the best QB on the field.
Yeah.. and when it was starters VS starters we went down the field and scored on the first drive against a D with some pretty damn good players on it. What's your point? Yes, the first pick in the draft looked much better than Webb/Lauletta and probably even Taylor. That's not exactly shocking though.
Saquan looked as advertised in limited action, he will create and make everybody around him look better. A couple of defensive backups, Ray Ray Armstrong and Kerry Wynn caught my eye, I think both will contribute this year. Right side of the OL is still a little iffy and the offense/QBs are a little out of sync. Completely new systems and a lot of personnel turnover, so we should be patient.
When one shakes loose (maybe McCown from the Jets?) they should cut Webb and sign the vet. At least Lauletta looks like he knows how to play the position.
Vanilla offensive and defensive playbooks. No Odell. Not sure what people were expecting.
Problem is that the same can be said about Cleveland. Baker was, hands down, the best QB on the field.
Yeah.. and when it was starters VS starters we went down the field and scored on the first drive against a D with some pretty damn good players on it. What's your point? Yes, the first pick in the draft looked much better than Webb/Lauletta and probably even Taylor. That's not exactly shocking though.
Point is this: Baker looked better than Eli, too. Penalties were key to the sole drive of the night. The Giants looked pretty weak against a team that, without some newbies, was winless last year. We’ll see.
for giving up a ton of big plays on defense this year. Live by the sword amd die by the sword. We want to pressure but the downside is leaving our DBs one on one. I'm not worried about Jenkins but he messed up om that one catch. Apple looked like garbage. After those 2 it is a big drop off so if we cannot get great play put of those 2 we are in trouble.
Also, our ILB leave a lot to be desired. I actually love the collection of OLB we have but our ILB are going to have trouble as well because they will be matched up on RBs/TEs. Not a great matchup on our part.
The run defense was amazing. I love it. But this pass defense is extremely concerning.
I thought our OL was our biggest weakness with our secondary right behind them. Imo, the secondary has taken over that top spot right now. I expect a lot of turnover at the bottom of roster in both areas.
Passing game needs work on O and D. Blocking on specials for returns needs work too.
I like our Dline.....depth looks fine there too. LBers looked fine, except one misplayed coverage by Ogletree, but secondary looked absolutely horrendous. Poor coverage by both starters IMO. FS is still a big ? too. On offense, Oline looked ok, depth ok, but pass blocking still questionable by back ups. WR depth is also a ? beyond OBJ and Shep. Starting TEs looked fine, but no real opportunity to catch passes. Their blocking looked fine. Adams could have helped Webb on a few occasions. RBs looked good, except Stewart, who not only didn’t run well, except for one run. All other RBs ran well. In fact, it looks like we might even have a semblance of a running game this year. Lastly, QBs were bleh....Eli was ok, Webb, as everyone has already mentioned, was terrible and Lauletta was about what he’s been advertised as. Punter was ok....had a few decent punts, but not Jeff Feagles and Kicker was ok, making his only FG....kickoffs still lacking in depth. PR and KR not good. KRs both made poor decisions bringing the ball out.
When one shakes loose (maybe McCown from the Jets?) they should cut Webb and sign the vet. At least Lauletta looks like he knows how to play the position.
Chase f'n Daniels is making 5m/yr and is guaranteed a roster spot. You either pay one of those guys or work with developmental types. Since we have an older QB and are coming off a 3 win season, I vote the developmental guy route.
Did Saquon take what was given to him? That one run where he tried to bounce it outside and couldn't, could he have gotten more yards if didn't bounce it out?
We are always the "It's just pre-season" bunch. That is bullshit. Wins don't matter in pre-season but how you play means a lot. Eli looked bad. Again. Davis Webb was a catastrophe. Just terrible. I have seen players like him through the years. Speaks very well and says and does the right things off the field. He just stinks. Flat out stinks. The line did look better. Even the second string was improved. Barkley is going to be good. But a scatback, with our inept passing game, will not get it done. Defensive line looked good, and there was pressure on the QB. I think the defense will be pretty good. Considering we will score about 10 points a game, they better be. Gonna be another long season.
RE: wait how can you say baker was better than eli? Â
We are always the "It's just pre-season" bunch. That is bullshit. Wins don't matter in pre-season but how you play means a lot. Eli looked bad. Again. Davis Webb was a catastrophe. Just terrible. I have seen players like him through the years. Speaks very well and says and does the right things off the field. He just stinks. Flat out stinks. The line did look better. Even the second string was improved. Barkley is going to be good. But a scatback, with our inept passing game, will not get it done. Defensive line looked good, and there was pressure on the QB. I think the defense will be pretty good. Considering we will score about 10 points a game, they better be. Gonna be another long season.
You got this based off a preseason game with two drives by the starting offense?
concerning.. This team needs to pickup a another Vet CB. Same goes with the WR position. Just bad, I think the RB's had more yards in the air?! smh. Just baffling how they can just be ok with this. Another concern is the pass rush. Not very much depth and I don't think Kareem Martin is starter worthy, I could be wrong, but I just don't see it. The Giants need someone who can create more havoc opposite of Vernon. I would start Barwin instead, but that's just me. I know it's preseason, but not a good start imo.
Inconsistent. Most other backs take a one yard loss on that first play. The backups looked like every backup OL over the last 5 years: like they didn’t belong in the league. Webb was horrrid. If Eli proves to be shot, the franchise is in big trouble.
He was crisp getting the ball out. Had a drop by Sharp bailed out with a penalty and a ball to Ellison that is a likely TD if he's looking for the ball.
He worked the sideline well in the two drives.
RE: Why can't the Giants ever be the team to come out and play great. Â
We are always the "It's just pre-season" bunch. That is bullshit. Wins don't matter in pre-season but how you play means a lot. Eli looked bad. Again. Davis Webb was a catastrophe. Just terrible. I have seen players like him through the years. Speaks very well and says and does the right things off the field. He just stinks. Flat out stinks. The line did look better. Even the second string was improved. Barkley is going to be good. But a scatback, with our inept passing game, will not get it done. Defensive line looked good, and there was pressure on the QB. I think the defense will be pretty good. Considering we will score about 10 points a game, they better be. Gonna be another long season.
Look at the W-L record for the team since 2011. There's your answer. We haven't been good.
RE: RE: Why can't the Giants ever be the team to come out and play great. Â
We are always the "It's just pre-season" bunch. That is bullshit. Wins don't matter in pre-season but how you play means a lot. Eli looked bad. Again. Davis Webb was a catastrophe. Just terrible. I have seen players like him through the years. Speaks very well and says and does the right things off the field. He just stinks. Flat out stinks. The line did look better. Even the second string was improved. Barkley is going to be good. But a scatback, with our inept passing game, will not get it done. Defensive line looked good, and there was pressure on the QB. I think the defense will be pretty good. Considering we will score about 10 points a game, they better be. Gonna be another long season.
Look at the W-L record for the team since 2011. There's your answer. We haven't been good.
True and that's concerning. But on the other hand they've been mediocre to bad every preseason that I've seen them play since 2001. And in 2000 they went 0-4 though I didn't watch them. There were a handful of games that stick out because the Giants were actually good. Usually they've either painfully average or awful.
We are always the "It's just pre-season" bunch. That is bullshit. Wins don't matter in pre-season but how you play means a lot. Eli looked bad. Again. Davis Webb was a catastrophe. Just terrible. I have seen players like him through the years. Speaks very well and says and does the right things off the field. He just stinks. Flat out stinks. The line did look better. Even the second string was improved. Barkley is going to be good. But a scatback, with our inept passing game, will not get it done. Defensive line looked good, and there was pressure on the QB. I think the defense will be pretty good. Considering we will score about 10 points a game, they better be. Gonna be another long season.
Look at the W-L record for the team since 2011. There's your answer. We haven't been good.
some are saying eli played poorly. He had two incompletions. One a drop, the other ellison didnt look for a ball that was a sure completion inside the 15.
some are saying eli played poorly. He had two incompletions. One a drop, the other ellison didnt look for a ball that was a sure completion inside the 15.
He was nothing special but he's been FAR worse in preseason.
When one shakes loose (maybe McCown from the Jets?) they should cut Webb and sign the vet. At least Lauletta looks like he knows how to play the position.
Tricky thing is freeing up cap space.
I'm not sure how accurate a tool it is, but playing around a bit with overthecap.com's calculator isn't very comforting. Cutting Stewart, for example, brings our cap space from 1,305,000 to 1,400,000 :(
Of the players I thought *might* be appealing cap-freeing cuts, cutting Brett Jones has the most impact -- that would free up 2.2 mil.
When one shakes loose (maybe McCown from the Jets?) they should cut Webb and sign the vet. At least Lauletta looks like he knows how to play the position.
Tricky thing is freeing up cap space.
I'm not sure how accurate a tool it is, but playing around a bit with overthecap.com's calculator isn't very comforting. Cutting Stewart, for example, brings our cap space from 1,305,000 to 1,400,000 :(
Of the players I thought *might* be appealing cap-freeing cuts, cutting Brett Jones has the most impact -- that would free up 2.2 mil.
Thanks for this post. Informative.
Depth matters, and the cap matters. We hear a lot about how Abrams can do a juggling act, but that doesn't seem a sustainable approach.
We are always the "It's just pre-season" bunch. That is bullshit. Wins don't matter in pre-season but how you play means a lot. Eli looked bad. Again. Davis Webb was a catastrophe. Just terrible. I have seen players like him through the years. Speaks very well and says and does the right things off the field. He just stinks. Flat out stinks. The line did look better. Even the second string was improved. Barkley is going to be good. But a scatback, with our inept passing game, will not get it done. Defensive line looked good, and there was pressure on the QB. I think the defense will be pretty good. Considering we will score about 10 points a game, they better be. Gonna be another long season.
I still remember 1973 when the Giants went 6-0 in the preseason and 2-11-1 in the regular season. The preseason record means nothing.
Problem is that the same can be said about Cleveland. Baker was, hands down, the best QB on the field.
But I thought he looked good in there tonight.
Chances he sticks as a backup?
To me, that's disappointing. It's elementary football, and it's being handed to you in the first preseason game. All vanilla, and we don't execute. Why is that?
Like I said on the other thread, I wanted this staff to have the team more prepared looking.
But again, it's only the first game.............
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It is difficult to distinguish this pre-season game from last year’s. Without the turnover just outside Cleveland’s goal line, the offense would have been stuck at a 42-yard FG. The defensive backfield is terrible.
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Lol, did McAdoo’s offense score anything on an opening drive in any of the preseason games? It’s a new offense and defense to learn, lots of new faces, etc. it wouldn’t surprise me to see a shitty preseason, maybe even a rough first 2 games and then see them click.
This can be a 6-win team. The perennial optimism will be darkened by the fact that other teams are better.
Too early to bury Webb.
Lauletta looks like he has some ability. His throw on the PI against #6 (his name is escaping me) was very nice.
Keep all things in perspective. This was just the start.
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Vanilla offensive and defensive playbooks. No Odell. Not sure what people were expecting.
Problem is that the same can be said about Cleveland. Baker was, hands down, the best QB on the field.
Yeah.. and when it was starters VS starters we went down the field and scored on the first drive against a D with some pretty damn good players on it. What's your point? Yes, the first pick in the draft looked much better than Webb/Lauletta and probably even Taylor. That's not exactly shocking though.
also barkley was not in a lot of the passing downs, i think 1 play he was in when the team passed...
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Vanilla offensive and defensive playbooks. No Odell. Not sure what people were expecting.
Problem is that the same can be said about Cleveland. Baker was, hands down, the best QB on the field.
Yeah.. and when it was starters VS starters we went down the field and scored on the first drive against a D with some pretty damn good players on it. What's your point? Yes, the first pick in the draft looked much better than Webb/Lauletta and probably even Taylor. That's not exactly shocking though.
Point is this: Baker looked better than Eli, too. Penalties were key to the sole drive of the night. The Giants looked pretty weak against a team that, without some newbies, was winless last year. We’ll see.
Also, our ILB leave a lot to be desired. I actually love the collection of OLB we have but our ILB are going to have trouble as well because they will be matched up on RBs/TEs. Not a great matchup on our part.
The run defense was amazing. I love it. But this pass defense is extremely concerning.
I thought our OL was our biggest weakness with our secondary right behind them. Imo, the secondary has taken over that top spot right now. I expect a lot of turnover at the bottom of roster in both areas.
I like our Dline.....depth looks fine there too. LBers looked fine, except one misplayed coverage by Ogletree, but secondary looked absolutely horrendous. Poor coverage by both starters IMO. FS is still a big ? too. On offense, Oline looked ok, depth ok, but pass blocking still questionable by back ups. WR depth is also a ? beyond OBJ and Shep. Starting TEs looked fine, but no real opportunity to catch passes. Their blocking looked fine. Adams could have helped Webb on a few occasions. RBs looked good, except Stewart, who not only didn’t run well, except for one run. All other RBs ran well. In fact, it looks like we might even have a semblance of a running game this year. Lastly, QBs were bleh....Eli was ok, Webb, as everyone has already mentioned, was terrible and Lauletta was about what he’s been advertised as. Punter was ok....had a few decent punts, but not Jeff Feagles and Kicker was ok, making his only FG....kickoffs still lacking in depth. PR and KR not good. KRs both made poor decisions bringing the ball out.
Agreed.
baker was also going against the 2md steing, the 1 drive against the starters he went 3 and out...
you are seriously overreacting to the first preseason game?
i want to see him when there is gameplanning, seemed like his best plays were when he was scrambking and making plays on the run...
but he did look good
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he looked quite tremendous out there at times.
i want to see him when there is gameplanning, seemed like his best plays were when he was scrambking and making plays on the run...
but he did look good
For his first pre-season game, he impressed most it seems. We'll see where he goes from here, obviously.
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he looked quite tremendous out there at times.
i want to see him when there is gameplanning, seemed like his best plays were when he was scrambking and making plays on the run...
but he did look good
For his first pre-season game, he impressed most it seems. We'll see where he goes from here, obviously.
oh yeah no question, he definitely looked good
He clearly has skill and it is his first time seeing a NFL field and he looked prepared, but leaving the pocket regularly is a recipe for disaster.
Sam Darnold will be another Charlie Frye so that bbi person is correct.
Better than all of the QBs in this draft.
baker was also going against the 2md steing, the 1 drive against the starters he went 3 and out...
you are seriously overreacting to the first preseason game?
Exactly.
You got this based off a preseason game with two drives by the starting offense?
He was crisp getting the ball out. Had a drop by Sharp bailed out with a penalty and a ball to Ellison that is a likely TD if he's looking for the ball.
He worked the sideline well in the two drives.
Look at the W-L record for the team since 2011. There's your answer. We haven't been good.
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We are always the "It's just pre-season" bunch. That is bullshit. Wins don't matter in pre-season but how you play means a lot. Eli looked bad. Again. Davis Webb was a catastrophe. Just terrible. I have seen players like him through the years. Speaks very well and says and does the right things off the field. He just stinks. Flat out stinks. The line did look better. Even the second string was improved. Barkley is going to be good. But a scatback, with our inept passing game, will not get it done. Defensive line looked good, and there was pressure on the QB. I think the defense will be pretty good. Considering we will score about 10 points a game, they better be. Gonna be another long season.
Look at the W-L record for the team since 2011. There's your answer. We haven't been good.
True and that's concerning. But on the other hand they've been mediocre to bad every preseason that I've seen them play since 2001. And in 2000 they went 0-4 though I didn't watch them. There were a handful of games that stick out because the Giants were actually good. Usually they've either painfully average or awful.
excuses have started already.....nice
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We are always the "It's just pre-season" bunch. That is bullshit. Wins don't matter in pre-season but how you play means a lot. Eli looked bad. Again. Davis Webb was a catastrophe. Just terrible. I have seen players like him through the years. Speaks very well and says and does the right things off the field. He just stinks. Flat out stinks. The line did look better. Even the second string was improved. Barkley is going to be good. But a scatback, with our inept passing game, will not get it done. Defensive line looked good, and there was pressure on the QB. I think the defense will be pretty good. Considering we will score about 10 points a game, they better be. Gonna be another long season.
Look at the W-L record for the team since 2011. There's your answer. We haven't been good.
But the excuses made have been HOF worthy
He was nothing special but he's been FAR worse in preseason.
Tricky thing is freeing up cap space.
I'm not sure how accurate a tool it is, but playing around a bit with overthecap.com's calculator isn't very comforting. Cutting Stewart, for example, brings our cap space from 1,305,000 to 1,400,000 :(
Of the players I thought *might* be appealing cap-freeing cuts, cutting Brett Jones has the most impact -- that would free up 2.2 mil.
You are just about the biggest jackass on this site, whether football threads or baseball threads or anything else, with you dipshit "smh"
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When one shakes loose (maybe McCown from the Jets?) they should cut Webb and sign the vet. At least Lauletta looks like he knows how to play the position.
Tricky thing is freeing up cap space.
I'm not sure how accurate a tool it is, but playing around a bit with overthecap.com's calculator isn't very comforting. Cutting Stewart, for example, brings our cap space from 1,305,000 to 1,400,000 :(
Of the players I thought *might* be appealing cap-freeing cuts, cutting Brett Jones has the most impact -- that would free up 2.2 mil.
Thanks for this post. Informative.
Depth matters, and the cap matters. We hear a lot about how Abrams can do a juggling act, but that doesn't seem a sustainable approach.
I still remember 1973 when the Giants went 6-0 in the preseason and 2-11-1 in the regular season. The preseason record means nothing.
That sums up his career. It is amazing he has been on the roster this long, it is an indictment of our LB play for the past decade.