the NFL, as the legendary Jerry Glanville once said, stands for "Not For Long". Webb didn't look good last night, no other way to cut it. Yes, the excuses are all there, but I think the Giants will give him a bit of rope to see how he reacts. And likely the entire pre-season. Dave Meggett muffed 3 punts in his first pre-season game as a rookie. Parcells stuck with him and he turned out ok (as a player, as a person, Meggett is a piece of shit).
That said, I would not at all be surprised if we see the Giants do something similar as they did in 2010, where they wanted to see the vaunted Jim Sorgi and Rhett Bomar battle for the backup job behind Eli. And once the pre-season was over, traded for Sage Rosenfels to be a backup from the Vikings.
The Giants aren't dumb, we all saw it. But I give Webb the next 3 games to show me what he's got before I do anything.
After Eli, we don't have any QB on the roster with any game experience. At all. If Webb isn't ready, I think that's an issue.
I think the roster spot is the bigger issue. If Webb or Lauletta is the future, and you recognize you need a vet, you send one of them to the practice squad? Or, you just throw Webb into the fire.
Will be guys that shake loose after cuts that we can pickup if Webb and Lauletta look awful the rest of preseason. I think we’ll know where we stand after game 3. Disappointing night but hopefully Webb in particular was just too amped up. The media constantly looking for Eli’s “successor” probably added a lot of pressure in his first meaningful action. I just find it funny that you don’t see all of the age concern with Brees, Rivers, etc. like you do with Eli. You would think he was 90 years old. Even if he has lost a step, Brees sure looked like he had lost a few steps last year as well.
my concern is simply that if say Eli turns an ankle and is out for 3 games midseason. Are you confident you can go 2-1 with Webb? Jury is still out but it has to be a valid question.
but unless they're ready to cut bait on Webb, it's not likely to happen ... can't carry four QBs, and Lauletta is a draft pick of this regime.
Jon mentions the key point here. Lauletta is the pick of the new regime. Webb is a hold over. And while I'm sure Shurmur would love to work with them and develop them both under Eli, I don't think Webb is as secured in his spot if Shurmur and team don't like what they see.
I still believe the Giants will give Webb much more time in the preseason (as they should). He has tools to work with. His touch was called out as a concern coming out of college. But at the end of the day, if Shurmur is trying to win games in 2018 (and he is), and if Eli goes down and he has no confidence in Webb running this offense, I wouldn't be shocked at all for Gettleman and Shurmur to look to bring in a vet backup and spend the rest of the year grooming Lauletta.
We need to develop Lauletta to take over for Eli in two years. A vet back up will stunt his growth. We don’t need a vet back up for this year because we ain’t going anywhere this year. 8-8 will be a feat we may achieve.....no more. We also need to cut Webb.....he no good.
my concern is simply that if say Eli turns an ankle and is out for 3 games midseason. Are you confident you can go 2-1 with Webb? Jury is still out but it has to be a valid question.
Are you confident they can go 2-1 with some bum signed off waivers?
I like Webb and am rooting for him. I also think Lauletta looked good. However after last night I am not comfortable with either if Eli goes down. Kap us arguably the best guy out there.
I like Webb and am rooting for him. I also think Lauletta looked good. However after last night I am not comfortable with either if Eli goes down. Kap us arguably the best guy out there.
While I don't disagree, I have to think he would not be under even the slightest consideration.
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He barely took any snaps last year. Making any kind of evaluation because of one preseason game is silly. QBs need reps and time. I don't know how many here remember a QB named Phil Simms, but I do. Take a look at his numbers in his first two seasons. He was inconsistent, to say the least, but still started 24 games. Giants fans wanted him gone many times. He played and battled and learned. He had to constantly fight for his job and was in fifth season before he truly turned the corner. Davis Webb is far from a finished product. We all hope the Giants overachieve and challenge for a playoff spot. Personally, I think they will be thrilled to go 8-8 after last season. If Eli goes down, the season is over. There is no veteran #2 QB out there that saves the season. In that nightmare scenario, the Giants go with Webb and Lauletta and play for the draft pick. Shurmur just got here. Let him coach and teach his young QBs before we pass judgement.
thread right around the same time you did. I think there are salient points being made.
reality is neither Webb or Lauletta would make it to the PS.
As mentioned, Webb does not necessarily have the commitment of this regime (despite what is said publicly).
And if Eli goes down the season is likely over, even with Eli many are expecting 8 - 8 or + or - 2 wins either way from there.
So, unless a) the Giants are prepared to cut Webb or b) a backup who can actually make a difference is available (not Geno Smith, Josh Johnson or Jay Cutler) then it make little sense to make a move IMO.
Last night should hopefully wake Webb up that his job is on the line. I expected Kerry Collins based on the strong arm reports and gunslinger descriptions, what we saw last night was closer to Cody Pickett, albeit in Webb's first significant game minutes in a long time. It was scary.
but unless they're ready to cut bait on Webb, it's not likely to happen ... can't carry four QBs, and Lauletta is a draft pick of this regime.
Completely agree.
Moreover I think the only way the front office would even get to that point is if Lauletta was given the opportunity to win the primary backup job and does so in impressive fashion. In that case there wouldn't be any organizational pressure to go out and sign a veteran qb and we'd probably roll with 2 using the webb roster spot elsewhere.
because Webb didn't play well it means he sucks and will never pan out and if Eli ever misses a game to injury which has never happened in his entire career then we of course must get a vet QB who probably sucks anyway because if he didn't suck he wouldn't be available and would probably be starting on a team and he won't really increase our odds of winning that much more than Webb anyway, who again, we are basing this entire argument on part of ONE PRESEASON GAME.
So yeah, I think I got it. This team will go as far as Eli can take it, period. And the book is absolutely not closed on Webb, either. He yet still could be a great player.
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Webb didn't look all that bad to me. He made a lot of good decisions, he just looked like he was trying too hard. If he settles in and relaxes just a little. I think he'll be fine. This was really his first NFL game.
I'm not going to panic or take a knee-jerk reaction based on the first preseason game, because a young QB was over-amped and consequently overthrew most of his passes. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for this first performance, and see how he adjusts against Detroit. Obviously, if he can't control his adrenaline he won't be an NFL QB.
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Webb didn't look all that bad to me. He made a lot of good decisions, he just looked like he was trying too hard. If he settles in and relaxes just a little. I think he'll be fine. This was really his first NFL game.
That said, I would not at all be surprised if we see the Giants do something similar as they did in 2010, where they wanted to see the vaunted Jim Sorgi and Rhett Bomar battle for the backup job behind Eli. And once the pre-season was over, traded for Sage Rosenfels to be a backup from the Vikings.
The Giants aren't dumb, we all saw it. But I give Webb the next 3 games to show me what he's got before I do anything.
I think the roster spot is the bigger issue. If Webb or Lauletta is the future, and you recognize you need a vet, you send one of them to the practice squad? Or, you just throw Webb into the fire.
It was disappointing, but at the same time it was the first game, and he's got the rest of camp to prove where he is.
I'm not ready to give up on him yet.
We had a vet in Carr here who never saw action.
I'm more concerned with developing a QB when Eli moves on than to worry about having a vet here.
We had a vet last year - Geno. How'd that go?
First of all, his name is Teddy.
Second of all, he's on the Jets.
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Might be a smart move to grab him, assuming he proves he can still play.
First of all, his name is Teddy.
Second of all, he's on the Jets.
Third, we cannot afford him.
Correct. 100%
Jon mentions the key point here. Lauletta is the pick of the new regime. Webb is a hold over. And while I'm sure Shurmur would love to work with them and develop them both under Eli, I don't think Webb is as secured in his spot if Shurmur and team don't like what they see.
I still believe the Giants will give Webb much more time in the preseason (as they should). He has tools to work with. His touch was called out as a concern coming out of college. But at the end of the day, if Shurmur is trying to win games in 2018 (and he is), and if Eli goes down and he has no confidence in Webb running this offense, I wouldn't be shocked at all for Gettleman and Shurmur to look to bring in a vet backup and spend the rest of the year grooming Lauletta.
While I don't disagree, I have to think he would not be under even the slightest consideration.
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Might be a smart move to grab him, assuming he proves he can still play.
First of all, his name is Teddy.
Second of all, he's on the Jets.
We've made him available to trade. He's likely not going to start the season with us.
reality is neither Webb or Lauletta would make it to the PS.
As mentioned, Webb does not necessarily have the commitment of this regime (despite what is said publicly).
And if Eli goes down the season is likely over, even with Eli many are expecting 8 - 8 or + or - 2 wins either way from there.
So, unless a) the Giants are prepared to cut Webb or b) a backup who can actually make a difference is available (not Geno Smith, Josh Johnson or Jay Cutler) then it make little sense to make a move IMO.
Last night should hopefully wake Webb up that his job is on the line. I expected Kerry Collins based on the strong arm reports and gunslinger descriptions, what we saw last night was closer to Cody Pickett, albeit in Webb's first significant game minutes in a long time. It was scary.
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Might be a smart move to grab him, assuming he proves he can still play.
First of all, his name is Teddy.
Second of all, he's on the Jets.
We've made him available to trade. He's likely not going to start the season with us.
Again, money. The Giants have around 1 million in cao space. Bridgewater signed a 1 year $6 million deal. No room.
On top of that, we are down to 6 draft picks next year. So, are we supposed to trade another draft pick for a one yeqr rental? Not happening.
Completely agree.
Moreover I think the only way the front office would even get to that point is if Lauletta was given the opportunity to win the primary backup job and does so in impressive fashion. In that case there wouldn't be any organizational pressure to go out and sign a veteran qb and we'd probably roll with 2 using the webb roster spot elsewhere.
So yeah, I think I got it. This team will go as far as Eli can take it, period. And the book is absolutely not closed on Webb, either. He yet still could be a great player.
Didn’t look all that bad.....lol
By the way, that was Bakers first game too.