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Some Old / Some New From Last Night

varco : 8/10/2018 9:28 am
Some tired old stuff ----opposing receivers consistently wide open, making good / great catches, opposing quarterbacks breaking contain and running for important first downs, opposing tight ends having career days. Some More old stuff ---our receivers covered tightly / unable to separate, multiple drops, dump off passes short of the first down markers, our quarterbacks unable to make gains with their running when pass patterns break down, opposing defenses looking to be in mid season form against us. Opposing back up QB's looking competent while ours having the "deer in the headlights" type of performance.

However, there were some new things ----Saquan (obviously), back up OL not getting completely destroyed, second and third string defenses not getting shredded, not an overwhelming number of penalties, like false starts, etc. I did notice that many (if not most) of the backups do have prior experience vs. being raw rookies and appeared to know what they were doing in the defending against the run. Too bad we can't carry 65 players on the active roster.

Bottom line --while I know this was "only preseason", it would be nice to be pleasantly surprised for once and see historical "problem areas" cleaned up. I hope and (at least now) trust that the team will consistently improve leading into the real season. I guess I was just hoping for more / better last night.

Here’s a big problem  
twostepgiants : 8/10/2018 9:53 am : link
Our offense over last 2 years has barely been able to put up points

Last night the giants had 10 pts. They were the result of 1 great effort by Saquon on 1 run - 39 yards which basically got us the FG and the TD wasnt a drive it was off a fumble that was recovered at the 10 yd line and we ran it in a few plays later.

No sustained drives to get us some points.
Good analysis  
5BowlsSoon : 8/10/2018 9:55 am : link
I will be honest, watching last night felt like deja vu. I was hoping that would be different. I was actually hoping we would play like the Browns did.

I also do not believe Eli is adaptable enough. I know Tom Brady is similar, but Tom generally has an outstanding line that knows how to protect. I think teams will come after Eli all day long and it will be ugly.

I’m not too optimistic, but hope it can change.
You aren't..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/10/2018 9:56 am : link
often going to get sustained drives in the preseason.

Making any statements on point totals until the regular season is fruitless.

By the way - last year we scored 32 points and 40 points in a couple of preseason games.
I blame the ugliness of the game on the CBA.  
Spider56 : 8/10/2018 10:18 am : link
New coaches, new systems and no training camp scrimmages. I remember the hilite of going to camp at Pace U were the full squad, full hitting scrimmages (actually held at Briarcliffe HS). These guys today just can’t / don’t hit enough during camp to be ready to play the first games ... though someone mentioned last week that the Browns did have a go live day in advance of this game.

Hopefully things will improve.
i see little reason for any giant fan to be hopeful towards the 2018  
plato : 8/10/2018 10:21 am : link
season after the giants performance last night. it was a replay of so many of last years problems, withperhaps a glimmer for a running game. passing game no room for optimism. receivers slow, covered, qb’s with no time, or missing receivers, etc etc.

fans will remain but little excitement. no matter how you spin it last night was a downer. no giants fan can honestly be looking forward to 2018 for improvement or excitement.
RE: i see little reason for any giant fan to be hopeful towards the 2018  
Big Blue '56 : 8/10/2018 10:22 am : link
In comment 14035172 plato said:
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season after the giants performance last night. it was a replay of so many of last years problems, withperhaps a glimmer for a running game. passing game no room for optimism. receivers slow, covered, qb’s with no time, or missing receivers, etc etc.

fans will remain but little excitement. no matter how you spin it last night was a downer. no giants fan can honestly be looking forward to 2018 for improvement or excitement.


As only slefrak can say it
Sustained drives  
Jimmy Googs : 8/10/2018 10:24 am : link
Browns had a nice 14 play drive for over 70+ yards that ended in a TD...

I thought...  
clydeman1 : 8/10/2018 10:49 am : link
the special teams play was below par...
the DBs didn't maintain coverage...
LBs get burned too often by TEs...
Eli and Ellison weren't on the same page, he was open and should have been a nice
20 yd +/- gain...
Dixon did a decent job punting..
just my HO
Starting offense didn't go three and out  
Giants_West : 8/10/2018 11:08 am : link
In either of its two possessions. I'll take that as a step forward.

Starting offensive line looked out of sorts. I hope they aren't married to that alignment. Also I think they need as many snaps as they can get away with this preseason, probably should have been on the field at least into the second quarter.

Specials looked special as always... But they also had the play of the game, setting up the only touchdown.

If that was any indication of how much stewart has left, he will be a waste of a roster spot. I'd much rather have kept darkwa.
It was more of the same  
Marty866b : 8/10/2018 11:36 am : link
I can't recall any preseason games where we have looked any different then last night except the o-line wasn't a sieve.
First game under a brand new staff  
bLiTz 2k : 8/10/2018 12:33 pm : link
vs a Cleveland coaching staff that has been together for a few years. I thought Shurmer and co. had a respectable outing. If Davis Webb lights it up we are likely all having a different conversation today.
RE: You aren't..  
jvm52106 : 8/10/2018 1:04 pm : link
In comment 14035104 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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often going to get sustained drives in the preseason.

Making any statements on point totals until the regular season is fruitless.

By the way - last year we scored 32 points and 40 points in a couple of preseason games.


Eli was in for 2 series and that was it. I wouldn't worry about the sustained drives or anything like that yet. Worry that Webb looked god awful and it doesn't matter what type of game it was. He looked seriously flawed and very much like Brock Osweiler.

The backup defense was flawqed but that has to be expected considering we are playing guys A) new to the team, B) new scheme for guys who were on the team and C) we played very vanilla.

Next game will be a better litmus test. I want to see Odell, EE, SS, SB on the field at the same time.

One other item, I think Jonathan Stewart is done. His run to teh outside showed just how much speed he doesn't have and his blitz pick up was pathetic.
You’re not going to see much of OB  
Giant John : 8/10/2018 1:16 pm : link
In these practice games. If at all...
But,  
Doomster : 8/10/2018 2:59 pm : link
You aren't..
FatMan in Charlotte : 9:56 am : link : reply
often going to get sustained drives in the preseason.

Making any statements on point totals until the regular season is fruitless.

By the way - last year we scored 32 points and 40 points in a couple of preseason games.



How many points did the first string offense score?
RE: But,  
bLiTz 2k : 8/10/2018 7:49 pm : link
In comment 14035568 Doomster said:
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You aren't..
FatMan in Charlotte : 9:56 am : link : reply
often going to get sustained drives in the preseason.

Making any statements on point totals until the regular season is fruitless.

By the way - last year we scored 32 points and 40 points in a couple of preseason games.



How many points did the first string offense score?


Seeing as Manning didn’t even play the first preseason game the last two year’s, are you comparing apples to apples?????
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