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Individual preseason games are meaningless

AnnapolisMike : 8/10/2018 1:32 pm
Trying to read anything else into these games is an exercise in futility. The Browns were 4-0 last year in the preseason. How did the regular season work out for them? In 2008, Detroit was 4-0 when they went 0-16 as well. Conversely, the NYG were 1-3, 1-3 and 2-2 respectively in the Super Bowl Years of 2000, 2007, 2011.

If you want to string together snapshots of individual players over the course of a few games...then fine. The only thing I care about is whether the Giants come out of the games injury free.
I'm not worried about the starting units  
Rudy5757 : 8/10/2018 1:48 pm : link
Webb was awful. He didnt look like an NFL QB at all. From that performance I can admit I was wrong and he should not have seen time last season except in mop up duty.

I was OK with the CBs. It looked like coverage wasnt bad, there were just some good plays. They will get better as they learn the system.

We ran the ball and stopped the run. They crushed us with the pass but coverages will get worked out as time goes by.

We still cant cover a TE to save our life....lol.

Hard to get much from the OL in the short time. I was watching flowers and he looked OK. Hernandez looks like a beast. The guy is huge. the blitz up the middle got us but that can be fixed. They were holding up well enough in 1 on 1 battles but a short sample.

Obviously the new systems on O and D are not ready yet. Concern is the pass rush. Non existant. Who is going to be the pressure guy on this D. Pressure on the QB will fix a lot of problems. teams are going to have a hard time running on us so that will put pressure on the DL to put pressure.
They may be meaningless  
pjcas18 : 8/10/2018 1:49 pm : link
in terms of the score, but the unit and individual play is probably indicative of at least where the team is now.

People shouldn't overreact to the game results, but ignoring them is equally irresponsible.

RE: They may be meaningless  
robbieballs2003 : 8/10/2018 1:54 pm : link
In comment 14035486 pjcas18 said:
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in terms of the score, but the unit and individual play is probably indicative of at least where the team is now.

People shouldn't overreact to the game results, but ignoring them is equally irresponsible.


RE: RE: They may be meaningless  
AnnapolisMike : 8/10/2018 2:26 pm : link
In comment 14035492 robbieballs2003 said:
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in terms of the score, but the unit and individual play is probably indicative of at least where the team is now.

People shouldn't overreact to the game results, but ignoring them is equally irresponsible.



How can you have any reasonable takeaway of a units performance after two drives in which there is little, if any game planning and during which key players are not even on the field? You can rate whether a player did what he was supposed to do on a given play, that is about it. And even then...it is a small data point which needs to be added to all the other data points the team has on a given player.
RE: They may be meaningless  
Danny Kanell : 8/10/2018 2:28 pm : link
In comment 14035486 pjcas18 said:
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in terms of the score, but the unit and individual play is probably indicative of at least where the team is now.

People shouldn't overreact to the game results, but ignoring them is equally irresponsible.


Exactly.
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Giants_West : 8/10/2018 2:40 pm : link
In comment 14035525 AnnapolisMike said:
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in terms of the score, but the unit and individual play is probably indicative of at least where the team is now.

People shouldn't overreact to the game results, but ignoring them is equally irresponsible.





How can you have any reasonable takeaway of a units performance after two drives in which there is little, if any game planning and during which key players are not even on the field? You can rate whether a player did what he was supposed to do on a given play, that is about it. And even then...it is a small data point which needs to be added to all the other data points the team has on a given player.


Not true at all, For instance look at the offensive line. Are they playing as a unit or 5 individuals. Is there movement, are guys executing basic assignments instinctively or do they appear to be having to think about it. Then obviously as you mentioned there is how successful they are in there one on one match ups.

Its about foundation and fundamentals. Game planning accentuates that it doesn't replace it. In the post CBA world Preseason is also the best opportunity you have to get ready for the season. Its often easier to overcome a a few preseason injuries then it is to over come a 1-3 or 0-4 start because your team comes into the season unprepared to play
Are there really only two posibilities?  
UberAlias : 8/10/2018 2:49 pm : link
Either you can base everything on one preseason performance, or you can't base anything? There are obviously some things you can tell. Coaches factor preseasons games heavily when formulating decisions for who makes the 53 and who doesn't. The notion that the games don't mean anything or you can't tell anything from them is a silly suggestion.
Meaningless in terms of wins and losses  
TMS : 8/10/2018 3:33 pm : link
maybe, but necessary to evaluate personnel especially for a team like ours. New players, new offense, new defense, plus new coaches, make them very important to us.
The OL have 4 new starters right now and 1 who has changed positions  
fredgbrown : 8/10/2018 3:36 pm : link
it will take time for them to get a feel for the guy playing next to them. Hopefully if the coaches see the backups players better than a starter they get a shot.
RE: They may be meaningless  
Keith : 8/10/2018 3:38 pm : link
In comment 14035486 pjcas18 said:
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in terms of the score, but the unit and individual play is probably indicative of at least where the team is now.

People shouldn't overreact to the game results, but ignoring them is equally irresponsible.


Nailed it
Ideally  
RinR : 8/10/2018 3:57 pm : link
You'd want to see continued improvement from all the units as the preseason progresses; at a minimum the starters. So while the final scores don't count, there is a reason they play preseason games.
It might be meaningless to good teams  
NYSports1 : 8/10/2018 4:17 pm : link
But when you have missed playoffs 6 of 7 seasons and have looked terrible on offense for the better part of 3 years then it is more of the same what we saw last night
LOL..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/10/2018 4:20 pm : link
yep. We should've gameplanned and rolled up a ton of points just because of previous years records!!

Fun fact - last year we scored 32 and 40 points in two of the preseason games.
FMiC  
bLiTz 2k : 8/10/2018 6:17 pm : link
This dude’s posting game is obvious. The first incompletion from the offense and he was like:


shame on us for even taking him seriously.
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