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NFT: It might be time for me to bid the Mets adieu

DanMetroMan : 8/10/2018 3:45 pm
at least until the Wilpons sell


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The Mets could restore order with 1 move  
Chris684 : 8/10/2018 3:49 pm : link
to bring in Girardi and yet it won't happen.
Let’s see who they hire  
Metnut : 8/10/2018 4:00 pm : link
before jumping off the ledge. But yea, that doesn’t sound good.
Wilpons have always been the problem  
Eric on Li : 8/10/2018 4:05 pm : link
if they don't get out of their own way on this hire, that will continue.
I'm a diehard Mets fan going on 30+ years now  
NYG27 : 8/10/2018 4:15 pm : link
Unfortunately this season, I decided to not follow them as long as the Wilpons are the owners. So far it's been the best decision I've made this year.

If the day ever comes that they sell, I'll be 100% be back. I just can't support that ownership group anymore as a fan!!!
Its a garbage prodcut  
spike : 8/10/2018 4:26 pm : link
There is no reason to root for this pile of
Unless Girardi is will to take at least a 50% pay cut from his Yankees  
arniefez : 8/10/2018 4:28 pm : link
contract it's unlikely he's hired by the Mets. Maybe if it's his only option his price will drop but i doubt it will be. How are the Red Sox doing with a more traditional baseball person balancing the fortune they spend on analytics? They don't strike out. They get more hits than HR's. They steal bases. What a stupid way to play baseball. It will never work in 2018 the game has changed.
Hire  
spike : 8/10/2018 4:32 pm : link
Matheny
RE: I'm a diehard Mets fan going on 30+ years now  
njm : 8/10/2018 4:34 pm : link
In comment 14035636 NYG27 said:
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Unfortunately this season, I decided to not follow them as long as the Wilpons are the owners. So far it's been the best decision I've made this year.

If the day ever comes that they sell, I'll be 100% be back. I just can't support that ownership group anymore as a fan!!!


Pretty much what I said about the Knicks 15 years ago.
Mets  
TyreeHelmet : 8/10/2018 4:37 pm : link
I'm ready to jump ship too. Reading that article is infuriating.

In a city filled with some of the richest most competitive people in the world, how is the professional baseball team owned by a cheap guy who refuses to spend what it takes to win? In the 1 professional sport with no salary cap no less.
I can't jump ship. The only alternative to the Mets  
Ira : 8/10/2018 5:25 pm : link
is the Yankees.
Anyone who would bail on the Mets..  
Sean : 8/10/2018 5:41 pm : link
but then stick with the Knicks makes absolutely no sense.
I've pretty much stopped following them  
sshin05 : 8/10/2018 5:58 pm : link
I'll still root for them but the Wilpons need to sell the team.
Sandy Anderson was just not a good GM  
Vanzetti : 8/10/2018 6:02 pm : link

He did a good job straightening out Omar’s mess but when he was given the authority to spend, he spent foolishly. That’s what has wrecked the Mets

But Mets are in better shape then people realize because of their four strong starters.
Lol - I’ll believe it when I see it  
Shecky : 8/10/2018 6:07 pm : link
Dan, you’re way too die hard, never happen...
Yeah, that's the problem  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/10/2018 6:14 pm : link
Too much "analytics" in the front office.

They've done nothing according to analytics. Par for the course for this loser franchise. Free DeGrom.
Welcome to the Padres  
spike : 8/10/2018 6:20 pm : link
And the Rays
I became a Mets fan around 1967  
steve in ky : 8/10/2018 6:53 pm : link
Definitely there have been many trying periods to endure but there have been many good memories as well.

While I would never tell another fan how or when they should root for a team I just never have felt the urge to purposely abandon a team. With both the Mets and the Giants I have found that sticking with them and staying more vested during the bad years does make the eventual winning that much all sweeter to enjoy as a fan.

If I ever stop following the Mets it would likley have to be because I have tired of the game of baseball itself and not because of the team. Perhaps if the NL ever went to the DH it might cause it to happen for me.

The Coupons blaming analytics for their shitty team  
NyquistX3 : 8/10/2018 8:08 pm : link
is really something. Those clowns need to look in the mirror and start with themselves.
Arc did  
djm : 8/10/2018 8:13 pm : link
But I still think he’s bunching BBI.

There’s no way a real Mets fan switches to the yanks. Ain’t buying it.
Trade ownership  
spike : 8/10/2018 8:14 pm : link
With the Dolans
it's sad, sometimes I think I should've ditched 'em in '77  
Dr. D : 8/10/2018 9:32 pm : link
when I was a kid and they traded Tom Terrific. I still remember where I was when I heard the news.

At an impressionable age in '73, I thought the Mets were the team of the future, Yanks the team of the past.

Ha! Stupid kid!

Makes me think I'm really glad I'm not a Jets fan.



the only thing that helps me survive Mets fandom  
Dr. D : 8/10/2018 9:47 pm : link
is just pretty much forgetting about baseball at some point of the summer. It's usually around the middle of July.

This year that time came early. I don't remember if I even watched any games in June.

Call me fair weather, but I just have no desire to watch shitty baseball... to watch DeGrom lose 1 nothing... I love the guy, maybe my favorite pitcher since Seaver, I just don't have the desire to watch the team.

My wife is probably good with it (me not watching baseball).
i am with you on ownership  
EricJ : 8/10/2018 9:53 pm : link
and I stopped watching years ago and also promised not to until they sell.
For those two dressed reading this thread  
Shecky : 8/10/2018 9:54 pm : link
May want a lift me up and check into the Wheeler thread
RE: Sandy Anderson was just not a good GM  
TyreeHelmet : 8/10/2018 10:25 pm : link
In comment 14035705 Vanzetti said:
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He did a good job straightening out Omar’s mess but when he was given the authority to spend, he spent foolishly. That’s what has wrecked the Mets

But Mets are in better shape then people realize because of their four strong starters.


This^. Sandy seems like a great guy. But he was an awful GM.
I’m sure analytics are why  
Metnut : 8/11/2018 9:33 am : link
Sandy signed scrubs like Jay Bruce and Jason Vargas that his analytics guys warned him to avoid.
RE: RE: Sandy Anderson was just not a good GM  
Rory : 8/11/2018 9:46 am : link
In comment 14036001 TyreeHelmet said:
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In comment 14035705 Vanzetti said:


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He did a good job straightening out Omar’s mess but when he was given the authority to spend, he spent foolishly. That’s what has wrecked the Mets

But Mets are in better shape then people realize because of their four strong starters.



This^. Sandy seems like a great guy. But he was an awful GM.


Alderson acquired 2 of those starters and calculated the right moves that helped get the Mets into the 2015 world series yes he wasn't elite but you can't say he wasn't a "good gm". Considering the ownership he had to deal with and the financial mess he had to overcome while carrying a player on the roster every year I think he deserves a little bit more respect from Mets fans. It didn't work out like we thought and here we are but he did bring some hope to the fan base.
Respect?  
pjcas18 : 8/11/2018 9:55 am : link
I respect the hell out of Sandy Alderson.

he is an ex-marine, Vietnam veteran, Harvard law grad and he helped revolutionize baseball by adopting sabremetrics. Sandy the person is an American hero.

but I can also think he wasn't that great of a GM for the Mets.

Sometimes people don't remember but he didn't adopt sabremetrics in Oakland until he was forced to, prior to then he had a payroll among the highest. He also was GM for a team who drafted three consecutive ROYs in Canseco, McGwire, and Weiss.

Which is why I always feel like ownership in NY certainly had a hand in how Sandy spent or more than a hand - a directive. I felt like if he had carte blanche he might have chosen differently, but he's too much of a loyal "employee" to throw anyone under the bus.
RE: Lol - I’ll believe it when I see it  
PhiPsi125 : 8/11/2018 10:44 am : link
In comment 14035709 Shecky said:
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Dan, you’re way too die hard, never happen...


Exactly, if you were a much lesser fair weather fan...then you’d just switch to the Yankees anyway. And because Grandma like them.
The ledger of positives from Sandy outweighs the negatives  
Eric on Li : 8/11/2018 11:09 am : link
and I don't see how anyone could think he didn't at least do a solid job, given the obvious calamity of the Madoff mess. He inherited a terrible farm system and for the first 3-4 years he had to cut costs dramatically. It is impossible to win games like that. When the team did improve it was in large part due to players he acquired like Conforto, Syndergaard, Cespedes, Granderson, Colon, Reed. He also doesn't get enough credit for how his organization developed/rehabbed JDG/Matz considering what the shit show of previous regimes did with guys like Mejia, Kazmir, Heilman, Pelfrey.

Parts of his strategy were highly flawed (shitty defense, resigning Bruce, weak bullpens) and things obviously didn't work out with the Cespedes and Wright contracts - but he was a professional from start to finish and he did a lot of good. Most reasons for optimism right now are thanks to him (Alonso, Nimmo, Conforto, Rosario, Gimenez, Wheeler, Syndergaard, Mcneil, Vientos, Mauricio etc). The next GM will inherit a hell of a lot more than Sandy did in 2010, with a far lower relative payroll, and he deserves a lot of credit for that.
RE: The ledger of positives from Sandy outweighs the negatives  
ZGiants98 : 8/11/2018 1:35 pm : link
In comment 14036243 Eric on Li said:
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and I don't see how anyone could think he didn't at least do a solid job, given the obvious calamity of the Madoff mess. He inherited a terrible farm system and for the first 3-4 years he had to cut costs dramatically. It is impossible to win games like that. When the team did improve it was in large part due to players he acquired like Conforto, Syndergaard, Cespedes, Granderson, Colon, Reed. He also doesn't get enough credit for how his organization developed/rehabbed JDG/Matz considering what the shit show of previous regimes did with guys like Mejia, Kazmir, Heilman, Pelfrey.

Parts of his strategy were highly flawed (shitty defense, resigning Bruce, weak bullpens) and things obviously didn't work out with the Cespedes and Wright contracts - but he was a professional from start to finish and he did a lot of good. Most reasons for optimism right now are thanks to him (Alonso, Nimmo, Conforto, Rosario, Gimenez, Wheeler, Syndergaard, Mcneil, Vientos, Mauricio etc). The next GM will inherit a hell of a lot more than Sandy did in 2010, with a far lower relative payroll, and he deserves a lot of credit for that.


Wow. Just saw this Eric. Well done. Completely agree.
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