NYY:
1. Aaron Hicks (S) CF
2. Giancarlo Stanton (R) DH
3. Gleyber Torres (R) 2B
4. Didi Gregorius (L) SS
5. Miguel Andujar (R) 3B
6. Luke Voit (R) 1B
7. Brett Gardner (L) LF
8. Austin Romine (R) C
9. Shane Robinson (R) RF
Masahiro Tanaka (RHP): 103.0 IP, 9-2, 3.76
TEX:
1. Shin-Soo Choo (L) RF
2. Rougned Odor (L) 2B
3. Elvis Andrus (R) SS
4. Adrian Beltre (R) 3B
5. Jurickson Profar (S) DH
6. Ronald Guzman (L) 1B
7. Willie Calhoun (L) LF
8. Isiah Kiner-Falefa (R) C
9. Drew Robinson (L) CF
Mike Minor (LHP): 117.1 IP, 8-6, 4.53
Now it's Didi's turn to bat cleanup. Hicks back in the leadoff spot. Bird getting another night off against the lefty. Now Gardy is in the 7 hole, and Miggy is in the 5 hole.
I feel like Boone just puts the names in a hat and puts the lineup together that way. But hey, if it works, it works.
Probably won't be on to post much, but after 4 in a row I'd feel irresponsible not at least getting the thread up.
Let's make it 5!
How is Voit playing over a really hot Walker? You know the guy who hit TWO homers last night? I don't want to hear any of Boone's rest guys bullshit anymore.
We're at the point in the season where they should've been rested in the months leading up to the home stretch and now it's time to ride the hot guys as long as possible.
I can see sitting Bird as he's slumping really bad but there's no reason Walker shouldn't be playing. In fact he shouldn't even have had to look at the lineup card to see if he was. It should be a no brainier. Either at 1st for Bird or Stanton in RF with Walker at DH.
The Yanks can't be sitting hot guys in favor of having both Voit and Robinson starting.
Ok, rant over and apologies for seemingly posting this every night but Boone has me irked and this one tonight with Walker is one I can't accept or figure out.
7. Brett Gardner (L) LF
8. Austin Romine (R) C
9. Shane Robinson (R) RF
Makes me a little nauseated
How is Voit playing over a really hot Walker? You know the guy who hit TWO homers last night? I don't want to hear any of Boone's rest guys bullshit anymore.
We're at the point in the season where they should've been rested in the months leading up to the home stretch and now it's time to ride the hot guys as long as possible.
I can see sitting Bird as he's slumping really bad but there's no reason Walker shouldn't be playing. In fact he shouldn't even have had to look at the lineup card to see if he was. It should be a no brainier. Either at 1st for Bird or Stanton in RF with Walker at DH.
The Yanks can't be sitting hot guys in favor of having both Voit and Robinson starting.
Ok, rant over and apologies for seemingly posting this every night but Boone has me irked and this one tonight with Walker is one I can't accept or figure out.
Signed.i am over Boone in general.
You have Neil Walker swinging a hot bat right now - he can play 1B and is a switch hitter. Why not have him play over Voit? Voit sucks. I get that Walker isn't hitting as well from the right side of the plate, but still... it's Luke Voit.
Funny - when Walker wasn't producing most of us didn't understand why he was constantly getting PT over some potentially better options. Now that he is, he gets an inexplicable day off.
Oh well!
You have Neil Walker swinging a hot bat right now - he can play 1B and is a switch hitter. Why not have him play over Voit? Voit sucks. I get that Walker isn't hitting as well from the right side of the plate, but still... it's Luke Voit.
Funny - when Walker wasn't producing most of us didn't understand why he was constantly getting PT over some potentially better options. Now that he is, he gets an inexplicable day off.
Oh well!
Inexplicable is a good word for it. I just saw Boone on the pre game addressing sitting Walker tonight saying he imagines Walker's not happy about it and expected to play.
He then rambled his usual nonsense about resting guys and a stretch of games in a row blah,blah fucking blah.
What I don't get is plans change, but change them when their play dictates it. Walker's play says he doesn't need a rest, in fact it says the opposite to me. It says he's locked in, comfortable, and in a zone. Something that shouldn't be messed with IMO. Just ride him til he shows he needs a day off.
I'm not going to compare him to Cora as a mananger overall but in a similar instance Cora played Pearce against a tough righty vs the Yanks the night after he hit three homers. He had planned to sit him and play the lefty Moreland but rode the hot bat of Pearce and it paid off early with another big homer.
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I usually don't quibble over lineup stuff that much but there just seems to be no rhyme or reason behind Boone's construction. I am on record really liking Hicks in the leadoff spot - but other than that, most of this lineup makes little sense to me.
You have Neil Walker swinging a hot bat right now - he can play 1B and is a switch hitter. Why not have him play over Voit? Voit sucks. I get that Walker isn't hitting as well from the right side of the plate, but still... it's Luke Voit.
Funny - when Walker wasn't producing most of us didn't understand why he was constantly getting PT over some potentially better options. Now that he is, he gets an inexplicable day off.
Oh well!
Inexplicable is a good word for it. I just saw Boone on the pre game addressing sitting Walker tonight saying he imagines Walker's not happy about it and expected to play.
He then rambled his usual nonsense about resting guys and a stretch of games in a row blah,blah fucking blah.
What I don't get is plans change, but change them when their play dictates it. Walker's play says he doesn't need a rest, in fact it says the opposite to me. It says he's locked in, comfortable, and in a zone. Something that shouldn't be messed with IMO. Just ride him til he shows he needs a day off.
I'm not going to compare him to Cora as a mananger overall but in a similar instance Cora played Pearce against a tough righty vs the Yanks the night after he hit three homers. He had planned to sit him and play the lefty Moreland but rode the hot bat of Pearce and it paid off early with another big homer.
Yuo - I think Curry actually touched on that before re: Cora/Pearce - and made some pretty good points in general on the pregame on this.
Hate to say it, but Alex Cora looks like an excellent manager.
Hard to say Boone has been "bad" given where the team is at right now. That, and it's only been about 3/4 of one season, so the sample size is sort of small. Definitely a lot of head scratching decisions lineup-wise, though.
Lol. It's funny because it's true.
It's like he played him so much because he needed to get him going with regular reps, but now that he is going it's time to sit him. Brilliant move to cool him off by sitting him instead of riding him when he's hot.
The second Voit comes up in the lineup against a RHP, Walker will hit.
You could say that you try to ride the hot bat, but maybe you sit him so he doesn't put himself back into a slump after hitting from the right side of the plate.
Voit probably gets 2AB's tonight and then is out. It's not a no brainer to play Voit but I think some of you need to look at how horrible Walker has been against LHP.
Maybe he has been but he still hit one right handed last night and is pretty locked in.
I don't know about you but regardless of what he's done in the past vs lefties, I'd still take him every day over Voit. A guy who I don't believe should even be in the major leagues.
I am not going to go crazy about it considering how bad Walker has been this year against LHP.
Walker will play at some point tonight
Boone has done enough head scratching things this year to go crazy about. lineup construction has been odd at times but I'm not sure how much of that is on him or how much is on cashman.
I don't believe that for a minute.
Boone has done enough head scratching things this year to go crazy about. lineup construction has been odd at times but I'm not sure how much of that is on him or how much is on cashman.
Yeah those are good points Mook.
I guess it wouldn't bug me as much if Walker wasn't hot right now, even if it's been mostly as a lefty bat. I just have more confidence in Walker with him being locked in now, than I do in Voit.
If they had a good alternative I'd understand and accept it, but Voit?
I'm an optimist and think maybe him being locked in will help him batting from the right side. It seemed like maybe it was starting to last night with the HR.
Well he shouldn't be on the roster anyways, but if he is and he doesn't start tonight then he's never going to play.
Cashman traded for him, he must see something we don't. I doubt Boone was banging down Cashmans door to trade for Luke Voit.
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don't believe that Boone has total control over lineup construction. Cashman likely has a say in it as well.
I don't believe that for a minute.
You don't believe what for a minute? Cashman clearly wanted someone he could control a bit as manager. He wanted things to be even more analytics based than they were.
I have no idea how much Cashman is influencing the lineup, but I would be absolutely shocked if he had no say in the daily lineup
Well he shouldn't be on the roster anyways, but if he is and he doesn't start tonight then he's never going to play.
Cashman traded for him, he must see something we don't. I doubt Boone was banging down Cashmans door to trade for Luke Voit.
Agreed it's not a really big deal but it's something Boone has done several times before to guys with hot bats. This is just the latest one, and one I don't see the upside to, given the alternative.
Boone's bullpen management is where I think he has done some really weird things.
You don't believe what for a minute? Cashman clearly wanted someone he could control a bit as manager. He wanted things to be even more analytics based than they were.
I have no idea how much Cashman is influencing the lineup, but I would be absolutely shocked if he had no say in the daily lineup
I don't believe Cashman says anything about the lineup, and if he did it would be very rare. Cashman is not the manager. I wouldn't be shocked if he asked Boone to play somebody for a specific reason or ask to see somebody for evaluation. But I don't think he tells Boone who plays.
If he did as much as you imply, you don't think the players would know? How long would it take for that to get out anonymously? Mike Axisa would have written about it by now.
You really think Cashman has zero say into the daily lineup? I didn't say that Cashman is writing out the lineup card himself. But I absolutely think he helps with it.
He hired a guy who has zero managing experience after firing a guy who got them 1 game away from the world series with a very young team. You don't actually think Cashman was going to hand Boone the keys to a rollys royce while he still only has his learners permit, do you?
Aaron Boone had as much managing experience before this year as you did. I would be shocked if Cashman didn't help write out the lineup card each day.
Girardi got fired because Cashman didn't see eye to eye with him. You think he's firing Girardi and then giving 100% control to someone else?
That may be a little strong, but there is no fricking way Cashman handed him the keys and gave him 100% control.
A trend we've been seeing too much of lately. It's like they forgot about that without Judge in there working counts and showing them how it's done.
Plenty of time left to put up some runs tonight but it would be nice to see them working pitchers again.
You really think Cashman has zero say into the daily lineup? I didn't say that Cashman is writing out the lineup card himself. But I absolutely think he helps with it.
He hired a guy who has zero managing experience after firing a guy who got them 1 game away from the world series with a very young team. You don't actually think Cashman was going to hand Boone the keys to a rollys royce while he still only has his learners permit, do you?
Aaron Boone had as much managing experience before this year as you did. I would be shocked if Cashman didn't help write out the lineup card each day.
Yes, I do not think Cashman tells Boone how to make up the card. Do I think Boone might discuss stuff with Cash? Yes I do. But you are implying and arguing Cash tells Boone what the lineup is, often. I think Cash probably likes to discuss the use of the metrics with Boone.
Yeah, I know Cash and Girardi didn't see eye to eye. Getting rid of Girardi was dubious at best. I think he wanted more of the new metrics used and Girardi would not use it as much as Cashman wanted.
Rest him then if he needed it. No reason IMO a half day off in one of these two wouldn't be enough rest, while also taking advantage of his hot bat in both games.
He could've DH'd one and played 1st in the other. Neither would be all that strenuous on him IMO. It's not like he's a CF chasing balls all over the OF.
More bummed with how they're playing and hoping they wake up. So far another lifeless game from them.
Man you called it earlier. Gardy hits the HR and then they make the next two outs on two friggin pitches to end the inning!
Can someone take a pitch there and see if he was rattled even a little by the HR?
He's rested!
Lol, couldn't resist.
One pitch too late, and not sure why he came out and started this inning. Sure looked to me like he had nothing and was done after the last inning.
The Warren trade continues to really bother me as well as it was clearly motivated by money. There’s no reason the Yankees should be pinching pennies
Agreed. It's not the first time we've said or thought that about one of his moves and I'm sure it won't be the last time, unfortunately.
The Warren trade continues to really bother me as well as it was clearly motivated by money. There’s no reason the Yankees should be pinching pennies
Austin Jackson should of been signed the night judge went down. And the Mets signed him 15 hours later Jackson is doing well for the Mets he’s batting .438 with 2 homers 8 rbis
But nope, we didn’t need Adam Warren anymore. Just couldn’t afford that salary, had to go
Im with you man. A trend is a trend and this one has been lengthy. If you want to say Boone is carrying Cash's water, that's fine. But his in game decisions, demeanor, and his seeming lack of compunction regarding constant fielding mistakes is infuriating.
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Cole is turning into a turd pretty quickly. His ERA is going to be over 5 after this. Fairly certain it was under 1 just a few weeks ago.
But nope, we didn’t need Adam Warren anymore. Just couldn’t afford that salary, had to go
I think Warren was for International cash. I dont think it was strictly a salary dump.
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Cole is turning into a turd pretty quickly. His ERA is going to be over 5 after this. Fairly certain it was under 1 just a few weeks ago.
But nope, we didn’t need Adam Warren anymore. Just couldn’t afford that salary, had to go
I think Warren was for International cash. I dont think it was strictly a salary dump.
I know they got international money back. And believe me I love the dedication Cashman has to continuing to stock the pipeline. The prospects are great. But I don’t think a team in the Yankees position should be trading actual useful pieces off the ML roster mid season when they’re trying to win, for just prospect money
I think Cash tried to get cute and balance the money by sending out Warren and adding Lynn and it’s come back to bite him a bit. Stuff like that combined with two of the three bench spots being taken up by Robinson and Voit is just a bad look.
It’s nitpicking for a team on pace to win 100 games, I realize that. But the team needs to snap out of it a bit,
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Tired of the mistakes and the overall sloppy play. It reflects very poorly on coaching
Im with you man. A trend is a trend and this one has been lengthy. If you want to say Boone is carrying Cash's water, that's fine. But his in game decisions, demeanor, and his seeming lack of compunction regarding constant fielding mistakes is infuriating.
I'm with you guys as well.
How about one day after a sloppy game Boone says fuck BP today? We're doing infield and game situations. Almost like a spring training back to basics get your shit together day.
If he has done that, it sure doesn't look like it based on their play and maybe it needs to be done again.
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Cole is turning into a turd pretty quickly. His ERA is going to be over 5 after this. Fairly certain it was under 1 just a few weeks ago.
But nope, we didn’t need Adam Warren anymore. Just couldn’t afford that salary, had to go
I think Warren was for International cash. I dont think it was strictly a salary dump.
I know they got international money back. And believe me I love the dedication Cashman has to continuing to stock the pipeline. The prospects are great. But I don’t think a team in the Yankees position should be trading actual useful pieces off the ML roster mid season when they’re trying to win, for just prospect money
I think Cash tried to get cute and balance the money by sending out Warren and adding Lynn and it’s come back to bite him a bit. Stuff like that combined with two of the three bench spots being taken up by Robinson and Voit is just a bad look.
It’s nitpicking for a team on pace to win 100 games, I realize that. But the team needs to snap out of it a bit,
To be fair, at the time AJ Cole was pitching quite well and Warren was the tradeable asset. I definitely viewed both as redundant bullpen assets. That trade didnt bother me so much.
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Cole is turning into a turd pretty quickly. His ERA is going to be over 5 after this. Fairly certain it was under 1 just a few weeks ago.
But nope, we didn’t need Adam Warren anymore. Just couldn’t afford that salary, had to go
I think Warren was for International cash. I dont think it was strictly a salary dump.
I know they got international money back. And believe me I love the dedication Cashman has to continuing to stock the pipeline. The prospects are great. But I don’t think a team in the Yankees position should be trading actual useful pieces off the ML roster mid season when they’re trying to win, for just prospect money
I think Cash tried to get cute and balance the money by sending out Warren and adding Lynn and it’s come back to bite him a bit. Stuff like that combined with two of the three bench spots being taken up by Robinson and Voit is just a bad look.
It’s nitpicking for a team on pace to win 100 games, I realize that. But the team needs to snap out of it a bit,
To be fair, at the time AJ Cole was pitching quite well and Warren was the tradeable asset. I definitely viewed both as redundant bullpen assets. That trade didnt bother me so much.
I don’t agree with that at all
11-8 now. Ugh
Tomorrow is another day.
That’s not how it works. That’s not how any of this works.
This season? Fugedaboudit.
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Yeah, I'm calling a bit of BS on that one. If not that then a little cover your ass after the fact.
Boone said nothing about any of that pre game, in fact he said he didn't even talk to Walker about sitting him, and imagined he'd want to play and be pissed he wasn't.
If he didn't even talk to him before making the lineup how did he know he supposedly wasn't feeling well? I'm sorry but Boone can't have it both ways. He flat out said he never talked to him.
Funny to me how in that article he goes on to say how he'll probably play some OF. Amazing how quickly the illness and sore neck heals.
I guess it’s better to call him a liar than to admit that you jumped the gun AGAIN and continue to ruin game threads with your incessant whining about who’s playing and who’s not? Nothing like doubling down on your stupidity
What would Boone have to gain about lying about Walker being banged up?
I guess it’s better to call him a liar than to admit that you jumped the gun AGAIN and continue to ruin game threads with your incessant whining about who’s playing and who’s not? Nothing like doubling down on your stupidity
What are you talking about? Of course he wouldn't rather lose, and I never said or insinuated he would. Just because you disagree or have a different opinion doesn't make you putting words in my mouth or reading something into a post that isn't there ok to do. Talk about dumbing down, how about a little reading comp?
If he was sick or sore why not just keep it at "I'm resting him tonight"? Why go on from there and make a point of saying how he was sure Walker expected to play, would be pissed he isn't, and he never even talked to him? Again he can't have it both ways.
I'll admit when I first saw the lineup it pissed me off seeing Walker coming off a two homer night sitting while Voit got to play. What Yankee fan wouldn't have a similar thought? I posted my frustrations with that and then after seeing Boone pre game, it made me question the decision even more because there was NO mention of anything being wrong with Walker, in fact he never even talked to him. How would he know how Walker's doing if he never talked to him?
As far as me calling him a liar, I do think he's fudging the truth here after the fact. If Walker was sore or ill and he didn't want it known for some tactical advantage, why bring it up after? Wouldn't he still want that kept quiet? Why go on now to say he's going to play some outfield? He can't be too ill or sore.
If he is ill or sore, fine, but it makes no sense to me to say he never even talked to him before game and then say after the game he was ill and sore Which one is it because it can't be both?
What would Boone have to gain about lying about Walker being banged up?
I agree with that but maybe to cover his ass a little after the fact?
My point is he went out of his way pre game to say he never even talked to him before he made the lineup. Why go that far and not just leave it at I'm resting him if he wanted to keep him being sore a secret? Then say post game say he was ill and sore and that's why he didn't play? One of those is a flat out lie, no?
Why not just pull a Belichick and give as little info as you have to? If you saw him pregame he was laughing and joking about Walker and how he was sure he'd be pissed, and expected to play but no, I didn't talk to him, and not sure I want to. It sure seemed at that point it was a managers decision to rest him like he said the reason was. Then after he's ill and sore? That's a bit disengenuous at the very least to me.
If the trainer relays to Boone that player ABC has an issue, Boone doesn’t have to speak to the player himself.
If the trainer relays to Boone that player ABC has an issue, Boone doesn’t have to speak to the player himself.
If you saw the pregame presser there was no reason to think Boone was lying about just giving him a day off. He made a big deal about how he's sure Walker expected to and would want to be playing. How he's sure he's pissed he isn't playing but hasn't talked to him and isn't planning to because he knows Walker wouldn't be happy with him.
He made a big production of it instead of just saying he's giving him a day off. (Which he said was the only reason) Why go to all that if it wasn't true?
And no I don't think a manager has to talk to every player pregame but I'd expect a good one to check in on most and talk to a hot player about why he's sitting him, especially coming off a two homer night. I mean being a good communicator was one of the main reasons he got the job, right?
Why wouldn't he talk to him about sitting him? I took Boone at his pregame word and it almost seemed like he didn't want to talk to Walker because he knew it wouldn't be a fun conversation, and one he wanted to avoid.
Then post game he gave a different reason for sitting him, so yes, like I said, I'm calling a bit of BS going on there somewhere, and based on his pregame, I think the BS came post game. Boone's not that great of an actor to pull off that pregame if it wasn't true. If he was sore he should've just left it as I'm resting him and not go through that dog and pony show like he did pregame.
Andujar with the two run oppo to put the Yanks back up by two 5-3.
The kid is in my mind ROY. Comes up big in so many spots.
Andujar with the two run oppo to put the Yanks back up by two 5-3.
The kid is in my mind ROY. Comes up big in so many spots.
There was one but last post I saw was around 2:30, and now it's gone.
I think you're right about Miggy. He's nudging ahead of Gleyber for ROY. I hope they both keep battling to the end for it as it'll only help the team.
To me, Miggy seems to just play and doesn't get too amped up over much. Where I think Gleyber might put a bit too much pressure on himself, and try to do too much at times.
Gleyber really has not looked like himself since coming back. Hope he’s not still nursing the hip injury.
Bullpen needs to get right. Britton is untouchable for years and now he can’t throw strikes consistently here. Frustrating. I’m a bit nervous about Chapman here in the 9th in the rain
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Can we get a nice quick one from Chappy here?
A Chappy-quickie? Where's Ted Kennedy?
Haha. Not bad, not bad at all.
Doesn't look like we'll get it but just get me three outs and don't have the rain mess him up or stop the game.
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Can we get a nice quick one from Chappy here?
A Chappy-quickie? Where's Ted Kennedy?
Nice!
Not getting my wish... but get this last out and it's all the same.
I still don't believe Chapman is 100% - Britton also hasn't been as good as we need him to be.
Still - that's 5 wins in the last 6. Doesn't feel like it, but that doesn't matter.
Let's go for the series win tomorrow and the Sox, and A's drop a game tonight.
Was very confused where it went.
This board has been unbearable this week. Truly. All the doom and gloom threads (like a LOT) about the Giants FIRST preseason game and the Yankees playing half assed has made the whole board pretty gross.
But 5/6 aint bad. Its better than splitting these last six games like we were playing the O's thats for sure.
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Not a big mystery.
Was very confused where it went.
This board has been unbearable this week. Truly. All the doom and gloom threads (like a LOT) about the Giants FIRST preseason game and the Yankees playing half assed has made the whole board pretty gross.
But 5/6 aint bad. Its better than splitting these last six games like we were playing the O's thats for sure.
like you said, it was ridiculous.
We were leading in like 7 of the 9 innings and you'd think we're about to get swept.
SOrry for the confusion, but enough is enough with this bitching in the game threads. We're winning 5 of 6 now...
Let's go for the series win tomorrow and the Sox, and A's drop a game tonight.
Unfortunately the Sox have already won the first game of their DH today, 5-0. A loss tonight would be great but damn, they are playing incredibly.
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A bit too nerve wracking for my liking but a win is a win, and I'll be happy to take it.
Let's go for the series win tomorrow and the Sox, and A's drop a game tonight.
Unfortunately the Sox have already won the first game of their DH today, 5-0. A loss tonight would be great but damn, they are playing incredibly.
The Sox are gone. They are the best team in baseball, regular season. For get about it......
Yanks just need to be best WC team and let it happen from there.
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A bit too nerve wracking for my liking but a win is a win, and I'll be happy to take it.
Let's go for the series win tomorrow and the Sox, and A's drop a game tonight.
Unfortunately the Sox have already won the first game of their DH today, 5-0. A loss tonight would be great but damn, they are playing incredibly.
No doubt. Even when their pitching shits the bed like last night and they give up a dozen, their O comes through and they win by a touchdown after trailing 8-3.
Seriously, I know they're hot and playing well, but how does any Major League team give up 19 runs? Poor Buck, I bet he can't wait for this year to end.
While it does look grim for the Division, I'm not giving up hope yet. The Sox play the Phils and Indians soon so hopefully they cool off just a little. Then they have a pretty tough September including six vs the Yanks.
If we can knock off 2-3 games this month, (hopefully even more) I think it could get real interesting to close out the regular season.
No doubt it'll be tough arc, and unlikely. We'll also need some help too but I'm just not at the point of conceding the Division yet.
I'm sure part of that is because it's the Sox and I can't stand them. No way do I want to concede anything to them and am always hopeful they'll crash and burn.
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Having 6 left against them helps - but we'd have to put a good dent in their lead and win about 5 of those 6 to have a realistic chance. It's not out of the question, I'm just kind of assuming that the 4 game sweep really took us out of that race. Still time.. we will see...
No doubt it'll be tough arc, and unlikely. We'll also need some help too but I'm just not at the point of conceding the Division yet.
I'm sure part of that is because it's the Sox and I can't stand them. No way do I want to concede anything to them and am always hopeful they'll crash and burn.
I certainly feel you on that - my blood was boiling the entire series against them a couple weeks ago. Can't stand the stupid fucking fans, either.
Nothing wrong with hanging onto some hope. Just gotta keep winning games and see how it plays out.