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arcarsenal : 8/10/2018 6:05 pm
NYY:

1. Aaron Hicks (S) CF
2. Giancarlo Stanton (R) DH
3. Gleyber Torres (R) 2B
4. Didi Gregorius (L) SS
5. Miguel Andujar (R) 3B
6. Luke Voit (R) 1B
7. Brett Gardner (L) LF
8. Austin Romine (R) C
9. Shane Robinson (R) RF

Masahiro Tanaka (RHP): 103.0 IP, 9-2, 3.76


TEX:

1. Shin-Soo Choo (L) RF
2. Rougned Odor (L) 2B
3. Elvis Andrus (R) SS
4. Adrian Beltre (R) 3B
5. Jurickson Profar (S) DH
6. Ronald Guzman (L) 1B
7. Willie Calhoun (L) LF
8. Isiah Kiner-Falefa (R) C
9. Drew Robinson (L) CF

Mike Minor (LHP): 117.1 IP, 8-6, 4.53


Now it's Didi's turn to bat cleanup. Hicks back in the leadoff spot. Bird getting another night off against the lefty. Now Gardy is in the 7 hole, and Miggy is in the 5 hole.

I feel like Boone just puts the names in a hat and puts the lineup together that way. But hey, if it works, it works.

Probably won't be on to post much, but after 4 in a row I'd feel irresponsible not at least getting the thread up.

Let's make it 5!
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adamg : 8/10/2018 6:08 pm : link
The arc magic is real!
Ok, hate to sound like a broken record but  
Eman11 : 8/10/2018 6:23 pm : link
WTF?

How is Voit playing over a really hot Walker? You know the guy who hit TWO homers last night? I don't want to hear any of Boone's rest guys bullshit anymore.

We're at the point in the season where they should've been rested in the months leading up to the home stretch and now it's time to ride the hot guys as long as possible.

I can see sitting Bird as he's slumping really bad but there's no reason Walker shouldn't be playing. In fact he shouldn't even have had to look at the lineup card to see if he was. It should be a no brainier. Either at 1st for Bird or Stanton in RF with Walker at DH.

The Yanks can't be sitting hot guys in favor of having both Voit and Robinson starting.

Ok, rant over and apologies for seemingly posting this every night but Boone has me irked and this one tonight with Walker is one I can't accept or figure out.
Danny Valencia was DFA'd today by BALT.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 8/10/2018 6:24 pm : link
He's hitting 303/368/505 versus LHP this year. Might be worth picking him up in case the Luke Voit Experience doesn't work out.
Big message being sent to Bird  
Stu11 : 8/10/2018 6:24 pm : link
He's in a straight platoon with a AAAA player. Kind of reminds me the old Bernie Williams rookie story. He was struggling and they kept moving him down in the order. Brian Butterfield one of the coaches came up to him one night and said "Bernie your hitting 9th tonight, you know whats next dont you?"
Thinking about our lineup at the beginning of the year vs. this  
NoGainDayne : 8/10/2018 6:25 pm : link
6. Luke Voit (R) 1B
7. Brett Gardner (L) LF
8. Austin Romine (R) C
9. Shane Robinson (R) RF

Makes me a little nauseated
RE: Ok, hate to sound like a broken record but  
chopperhatch : 8/10/2018 6:26 pm : link
In comment 14035723 Eman11 said:
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WTF?

How is Voit playing over a really hot Walker? You know the guy who hit TWO homers last night? I don't want to hear any of Boone's rest guys bullshit anymore.

We're at the point in the season where they should've been rested in the months leading up to the home stretch and now it's time to ride the hot guys as long as possible.

I can see sitting Bird as he's slumping really bad but there's no reason Walker shouldn't be playing. In fact he shouldn't even have had to look at the lineup card to see if he was. It should be a no brainier. Either at 1st for Bird or Stanton in RF with Walker at DH.

The Yanks can't be sitting hot guys in favor of having both Voit and Robinson starting.

Ok, rant over and apologies for seemingly posting this every night but Boone has me irked and this one tonight with Walker is one I can't accept or figure out.


Signed.i am over Boone in general.
What Eman said.  
Red Dog : 8/10/2018 6:38 pm : link
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arcarsenal : 8/10/2018 6:41 pm : link
I usually don't quibble over lineup stuff that much but there just seems to be no rhyme or reason behind Boone's construction. I am on record really liking Hicks in the leadoff spot - but other than that, most of this lineup makes little sense to me.

You have Neil Walker swinging a hot bat right now - he can play 1B and is a switch hitter. Why not have him play over Voit? Voit sucks. I get that Walker isn't hitting as well from the right side of the plate, but still... it's Luke Voit.

Funny - when Walker wasn't producing most of us didn't understand why he was constantly getting PT over some potentially better options. Now that he is, he gets an inexplicable day off.

Oh well!
Heard on the Kay show today  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/10/2018 6:57 pm : link
that Walker is hitting .330 since the all-star break. I get why they sat him tonight (match-ups) but this seems like one of the few times where you should make an exception to the rule. Not like they're going up against some great pitcher tonight. Oh well.
RE: .  
Eman11 : 8/10/2018 6:57 pm : link
In comment 14035736 arcarsenal said:
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I usually don't quibble over lineup stuff that much but there just seems to be no rhyme or reason behind Boone's construction. I am on record really liking Hicks in the leadoff spot - but other than that, most of this lineup makes little sense to me.

You have Neil Walker swinging a hot bat right now - he can play 1B and is a switch hitter. Why not have him play over Voit? Voit sucks. I get that Walker isn't hitting as well from the right side of the plate, but still... it's Luke Voit.

Funny - when Walker wasn't producing most of us didn't understand why he was constantly getting PT over some potentially better options. Now that he is, he gets an inexplicable day off.

Oh well!


Inexplicable is a good word for it. I just saw Boone on the pre game addressing sitting Walker tonight saying he imagines Walker's not happy about it and expected to play.

He then rambled his usual nonsense about resting guys and a stretch of games in a row blah,blah fucking blah.

What I don't get is plans change, but change them when their play dictates it. Walker's play says he doesn't need a rest, in fact it says the opposite to me. It says he's locked in, comfortable, and in a zone. Something that shouldn't be messed with IMO. Just ride him til he shows he needs a day off.

I'm not going to compare him to Cora as a mananger overall but in a similar instance Cora played Pearce against a tough righty vs the Yanks the night after he hit three homers. He had planned to sit him and play the lefty Moreland but rode the hot bat of Pearce and it paid off early with another big homer.
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arcarsenal : 8/10/2018 7:03 pm : link
In comment 14035752 Eman11 said:
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In comment 14035736 arcarsenal said:


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I usually don't quibble over lineup stuff that much but there just seems to be no rhyme or reason behind Boone's construction. I am on record really liking Hicks in the leadoff spot - but other than that, most of this lineup makes little sense to me.

You have Neil Walker swinging a hot bat right now - he can play 1B and is a switch hitter. Why not have him play over Voit? Voit sucks. I get that Walker isn't hitting as well from the right side of the plate, but still... it's Luke Voit.

Funny - when Walker wasn't producing most of us didn't understand why he was constantly getting PT over some potentially better options. Now that he is, he gets an inexplicable day off.

Oh well!



Inexplicable is a good word for it. I just saw Boone on the pre game addressing sitting Walker tonight saying he imagines Walker's not happy about it and expected to play.

He then rambled his usual nonsense about resting guys and a stretch of games in a row blah,blah fucking blah.

What I don't get is plans change, but change them when their play dictates it. Walker's play says he doesn't need a rest, in fact it says the opposite to me. It says he's locked in, comfortable, and in a zone. Something that shouldn't be messed with IMO. Just ride him til he shows he needs a day off.

I'm not going to compare him to Cora as a mananger overall but in a similar instance Cora played Pearce against a tough righty vs the Yanks the night after he hit three homers. He had planned to sit him and play the lefty Moreland but rode the hot bat of Pearce and it paid off early with another big homer.


Yuo - I think Curry actually touched on that before re: Cora/Pearce - and made some pretty good points in general on the pregame on this.

Hate to say it, but Alex Cora looks like an excellent manager.

Hard to say Boone has been "bad" given where the team is at right now. That, and it's only been about 3/4 of one season, so the sample size is sort of small. Definitely a lot of head scratching decisions lineup-wise, though.
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arcarsenal : 8/10/2018 7:03 pm : link
Yup*
Walker 2 for June  
13ODB : 8/10/2018 7:05 pm : link
Played every day. Walker hot in August hit two home runs last night and is on the bench tonight. Makes sense
RE: Walker 2 for June  
Eman11 : 8/10/2018 7:12 pm : link
In comment 14035757 13ODB said:
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Played every day. Walker hot in August hit two home runs last night and is on the bench tonight. Makes sense


Lol. It's funny because it's true.

It's like he played him so much because he needed to get him going with regular reps, but now that he is going it's time to sit him. Brilliant move to cool him off by sitting him instead of riding him when he's hot.
Walker  
MookGiants : 8/10/2018 7:23 pm : link
is horrible against left handed pitching. It's not hard to figure out why he's sitting. If a spot comes up and their starter is pulled, he will hit
As bad as Voit may be  
MookGiants : 8/10/2018 7:27 pm : link
I don't think he can possibly be worse than Walker has been this year against LHP.

The second Voit comes up in the lineup against a RHP, Walker will hit.

You could say that you try to ride the hot bat, but maybe you sit him so he doesn't put himself back into a slump after hitting from the right side of the plate.

Voit probably gets 2AB's tonight and then is out. It's not a no brainer to play Voit but I think some of you need to look at how horrible Walker has been against LHP.
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arcarsenal : 8/10/2018 7:27 pm : link
The problem is that Luke Voit is the guy playing instead - a .589 OPS hitter. He does have better numbers against LHP than Walker does, but sometimes I think you just need to toss the book out and play the hot hitter even if you're flipping him to his weaker side of the plate.
I also  
MookGiants : 8/10/2018 7:28 pm : link
don't believe that Boone has total control over lineup construction. Cashman likely has a say in it as well.
RE: Walker  
Eman11 : 8/10/2018 7:29 pm : link
In comment 14035767 MookGiants said:
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is horrible against left handed pitching. It's not hard to figure out why he's sitting. If a spot comes up and their starter is pulled, he will hit


Maybe he has been but he still hit one right handed last night and is pretty locked in.

I don't know about you but regardless of what he's done in the past vs lefties, I'd still take him every day over Voit. A guy who I don't believe should even be in the major leagues.
Maybe  
MookGiants : 8/10/2018 7:30 pm : link
they don't want Walker to see a LHP so he doesn't cool off.

I am not going to go crazy about it considering how bad Walker has been this year against LHP.

Walker will play at some point tonight
I can see both sides of the argument  
MookGiants : 8/10/2018 7:33 pm : link
on this one, I'm just not going to go crazy about Walker sitting vs any LHP.

Boone has done enough head scratching things this year to go crazy about. lineup construction has been odd at times but I'm not sure how much of that is on him or how much is on cashman.
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arcarsenal : 8/10/2018 7:35 pm : link
Yeah, it's not a massively huge deal - I'm sure Walker will get in there later. There's some semblance of logic behind it because it's true that Walker really has been poor against lefties. I think I just cringe when I see Luke Voit in the lineup. Coming up with an XBH or RBI somewhere would make me feel a little better.
RE: I also  
section125 : 8/10/2018 7:48 pm : link
In comment 14035774 MookGiants said:
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don't believe that Boone has total control over lineup construction. Cashman likely has a say in it as well.


I don't believe that for a minute.
RE: I can see both sides of the argument  
Eman11 : 8/10/2018 7:48 pm : link
In comment 14035780 MookGiants said:
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on this one, I'm just not going to go crazy about Walker sitting vs any LHP.

Boone has done enough head scratching things this year to go crazy about. lineup construction has been odd at times but I'm not sure how much of that is on him or how much is on cashman.


Yeah those are good points Mook.

I guess it wouldn't bug me as much if Walker wasn't hot right now, even if it's been mostly as a lefty bat. I just have more confidence in Walker with him being locked in now, than I do in Voit.

If they had a good alternative I'd understand and accept it, but Voit?

I'm an optimist and think maybe him being locked in will help him batting from the right side. It seemed like maybe it was starting to last night with the HR.
I think  
MookGiants : 8/10/2018 7:50 pm : link
Voit sucks as well and if you ask me who I'd prefer play tonight i'd take Walker. But it's not that big of a deal imo. If Voit isn't going to play tonight, then he shouldn't even be on the roster.

Well he shouldn't be on the roster anyways, but if he is and he doesn't start tonight then he's never going to play.

Cashman traded for him, he must see something we don't. I doubt Boone was banging down Cashmans door to trade for Luke Voit.
RE: RE: I also  
MookGiants : 8/10/2018 7:51 pm : link
In comment 14035794 section125 said:
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In comment 14035774 MookGiants said:


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don't believe that Boone has total control over lineup construction. Cashman likely has a say in it as well.



I don't believe that for a minute.


You don't believe what for a minute? Cashman clearly wanted someone he could control a bit as manager. He wanted things to be even more analytics based than they were.

I have no idea how much Cashman is influencing the lineup, but I would be absolutely shocked if he had no say in the daily lineup
Walker is 34 and  
section125 : 8/10/2018 7:52 pm : link
it is a day game tomorrow....I'll give him a break on that account.
RE: I think  
Eman11 : 8/10/2018 7:55 pm : link
In comment 14035799 MookGiants said:
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Voit sucks as well and if you ask me who I'd prefer play tonight i'd take Walker. But it's not that big of a deal imo. If Voit isn't going to play tonight, then he shouldn't even be on the roster.

Well he shouldn't be on the roster anyways, but if he is and he doesn't start tonight then he's never going to play.

Cashman traded for him, he must see something we don't. I doubt Boone was banging down Cashmans door to trade for Luke Voit.


Agreed it's not a really big deal but it's something Boone has done several times before to guys with hot bats. This is just the latest one, and one I don't see the upside to, given the alternative.
no question  
MookGiants : 8/10/2018 7:57 pm : link
that he has made some head scratching lineups. i dont know who to blame on that, him or Cashman, or both. i think Cashman firing Girardi and bringing in a guy with no experience showed that he basically wanted a puppet and someone to do things his way. It wasnt exactly a secret that Cashman and Girardi didn't get along that well.

Boone's bullpen management is where I think he has done some really weird things.
RE: RE: RE: I also  
section125 : 8/10/2018 7:58 pm : link
In comment 14035801 MookGiants said:
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In comment 14035794 section125 said
You don't believe what for a minute? Cashman clearly wanted someone he could control a bit as manager. He wanted things to be even more analytics based than they were.

I have no idea how much Cashman is influencing the lineup, but I would be absolutely shocked if he had no say in the daily lineup


I don't believe Cashman says anything about the lineup, and if he did it would be very rare. Cashman is not the manager. I wouldn't be shocked if he asked Boone to play somebody for a specific reason or ask to see somebody for evaluation. But I don't think he tells Boone who plays.

If he did as much as you imply, you don't think the players would know? How long would it take for that to get out anonymously? Mike Axisa would have written about it by now.
There  
MookGiants : 8/10/2018 8:02 pm : link
have been articles written about how Girardi and Cashman didn't see eye to eye, and how Cashman wanted basically a puppet as manager.

You really think Cashman has zero say into the daily lineup? I didn't say that Cashman is writing out the lineup card himself. But I absolutely think he helps with it.

He hired a guy who has zero managing experience after firing a guy who got them 1 game away from the world series with a very young team. You don't actually think Cashman was going to hand Boone the keys to a rollys royce while he still only has his learners permit, do you?

Aaron Boone had as much managing experience before this year as you did. I would be shocked if Cashman didn't help write out the lineup card each day.

Ef me. Old man Beltre  
section125 : 8/10/2018 8:02 pm : link
hits an oppo...meanwhile nobody on the Yankees is working the count.
and a GM  
MookGiants : 8/10/2018 8:03 pm : link
helping with the lineup card is not all that rare anymore.

Girardi got fired because Cashman didn't see eye to eye with him. You think he's firing Girardi and then giving 100% control to someone else?
The media  
MookGiants : 8/10/2018 8:05 pm : link
has written plenty of articles about Boone being a puppet for Cashman.

That may be a little strong, but there is no fricking way Cashman handed him the keys and gave him 100% control.

RE: Ef me. Old man Beltre  
Eman11 : 8/10/2018 8:07 pm : link
In comment 14035819 section125 said:
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hits an oppo...meanwhile nobody on the Yankees is working the count.


A trend we've been seeing too much of lately. It's like they forgot about that without Judge in there working counts and showing them how it's done.

Plenty of time left to put up some runs tonight but it would be nice to see them working pitchers again.
RE: There  
section125 : 8/10/2018 8:16 pm : link
In comment 14035818 MookGiants said:
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have been articles written about how Girardi and Cashman didn't see eye to eye, and how Cashman wanted basically a puppet as manager.

You really think Cashman has zero say into the daily lineup? I didn't say that Cashman is writing out the lineup card himself. But I absolutely think he helps with it.

He hired a guy who has zero managing experience after firing a guy who got them 1 game away from the world series with a very young team. You don't actually think Cashman was going to hand Boone the keys to a rollys royce while he still only has his learners permit, do you?

Aaron Boone had as much managing experience before this year as you did. I would be shocked if Cashman didn't help write out the lineup card each day.




Yes, I do not think Cashman tells Boone how to make up the card. Do I think Boone might discuss stuff with Cash? Yes I do. But you are implying and arguing Cash tells Boone what the lineup is, often. I think Cash probably likes to discuss the use of the metrics with Boone.

Yeah, I know Cash and Girardi didn't see eye to eye. Getting rid of Girardi was dubious at best. I think he wanted more of the new metrics used and Girardi would not use it as much as Cashman wanted.

RE: Walker is 34 and  
Eman11 : 8/10/2018 8:25 pm : link
In comment 14035804 section125 said:
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it is a day game tomorrow....I'll give him a break on that account.


Rest him then if he needed it. No reason IMO a half day off in one of these two wouldn't be enough rest, while also taking advantage of his hot bat in both games.

He could've DH'd one and played 1st in the other. Neither would be all that strenuous on him IMO. It's not like he's a CF chasing balls all over the OF.
I've got to drop it now.  
Eman11 : 8/10/2018 8:28 pm : link
We're about halfway through the game and I'm over being bummed about it by Boone.

More bummed with how they're playing and hoping they wake up. So far another lifeless game from them.
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arcarsenal : 8/10/2018 8:30 pm : link
Ugh. Masa doesn't have it tonight. Not looking good.
Lifeless stinkin'  
section125 : 8/10/2018 8:31 pm : link
lineup leads to a lifeless stinker of a ball game.
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arcarsenal : 8/10/2018 8:34 pm : link
I would have had someone warming up by now. I guess Boone wants to just get Masa through this inning. But the way the bats look tonight, those extra runs might have made this insurmountable.
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arcarsenal : 8/10/2018 8:41 pm : link
Well, there's one...
RE: Lifeless stinkin'  
Eman11 : 8/10/2018 8:43 pm : link
In comment 14035850 section125 said:
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lineup leads to a lifeless stinker of a ball game.


Man you called it earlier. Gardy hits the HR and then they make the next two outs on two friggin pitches to end the inning!

Can someone take a pitch there and see if he was rattled even a little by the HR?
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arcarsenal : 8/10/2018 8:44 pm : link
Why is Tanaka still in the game?
My God....  
chopperhatch : 8/10/2018 8:45 pm : link
This team aint winning shit.
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arcarsenal : 8/10/2018 8:46 pm : link
He obviously didn't have it tonight - he was a shade over 90 pitches and barely made it out of the 5th. There's no reason why Cole shouldn't be starting that inning. No idea what Boone is thinking there.
RE: .  
Eman11 : 8/10/2018 8:47 pm : link
In comment 14035861 arcarsenal said:
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Why is Tanaka still in the game?


He's rested!

Lol, couldn't resist.

One pitch too late, and not sure why he came out and started this inning. Sure looked to me like he had nothing and was done after the last inning.
It’s a bit ridiculous  
Kyle in NY : 8/10/2018 8:47 pm : link
to see a guy like Robinson or Voit in the lineup nearly every day. Shane looks like he won a fan contest to be with the team for a day. I know Frazier’s injury caused this but they were aware of his status going into the deadline and now in the waiver period. If the luxury tax is what’s causing them to not go out and get a real ML bat to fill in for Judge then that’s really disappointing for a team with a chance to win the World Series.

The Warren trade continues to really bother me as well as it was clearly motivated by money. There’s no reason the Yankees should be pinching pennies
Horrible job by Tanaka tonight.  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/10/2018 8:49 pm : link
Geez.
Sending him out for the 6th  
Kyle in NY : 8/10/2018 8:51 pm : link
is inexcusable
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