Gettleman on "positional value"

I guess its glass half full kind of thing. You could also say they didn't see a slam dunk franchise QB either.

Bottom line they saw Barkley as a generational talent and didn't see those QB's as that.

In comment 14036092 Zepp said:

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I guess its glass half full kind of thing. You could also say they didn't see a slam dunk franchise QB either. Bottom line they saw Barkley as a generational talent and didn't see those QB's as that.

Zepp nails it. Not rocket science as to Giants’ beliefs, imv

that if barkley is a hall of famer and darnold is a hall of famer, giants made a bad pick, i think that is bs...

you draft a hall of famer no matter the position it is a good pick

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that if barkley is a hall of famer and darnold is a hall of famer, giants made a bad pick, i think that is bs... you draft a hall of famer no matter the position it is a good pick

dont buy

but they were picking SB unless he was gone #1.

when you already have a franchise QB on the roster. Which is what DG thinks he has in Eli.

If he was blundering through seasons with with modern equivalent of Kent Graham and Danny Kanell, you'd see him doing SOMETHING to acquire or draft one -- generational talent or not.

If he wasn’t a steal there. But to say there isn’t a difference in the positional value between RB and QB, or to say you don’t recognize the difference, is absurd. Not only is a top QB in the NFL today more valuable than a top RB but the playing life span of the two is night and day. How may RBs have the career length of an Eli or Brady and that’s not unusual. Half that would be impressive for a RB. Just stop with a HOF RB and QB are of equal value. They aren’t on a couple of levels.

Ditto

Than any other position. That is a fact. To my eyes, Darnold has looked like the obvious pick and NYG should have run to the podium to take him. He’s the complete package and will be a star. I’ve no idea what his doubters are seeing. There is a very good chance we are going to regret passing on him.

That he should be the highest paid player in the league. You know, given that positional value doesn’t matter.

Brett Favre (or insert Steve Young or Troy Aikman, etc.).

definitely the QB. it's not even close.

that said, I'm super excited about having SB on the team.

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Than any other position. That is a fact. To my eyes, Darnold has looked like the obvious pick and NYG should have run to the podium to take him. He’s the complete package and will be a star. I’ve no idea what his doubters are seeing. There is a very good chance we are going to regret passing on him.

No matter WHAT the Giants think/thought of Barkley, they would have taken Darnold in a nanosecond if he was, in their judgement, anything close to what you see in the guy.

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Brett Favre (or insert Steve Young or Troy Aikman, etc.). definitely the QB. it's not even close. that said, I'm super excited about having SB on the team.

If a “Brett Favre” was there, the Giants would have sprinted to the podium. He wasn’t according to the evaluators, hence, it was “Sanders.”

Based on what? 1 preseason game? As Rodgers would say, R-E-L-A-X.

Jarrod Bunch.

Gettleman might not expressly believe in positional value, but he's full of shit if he thinks he doesn't practice it.

He wouldn't take a center, guard, kicker, punter, etc. at no. 2 overall as the league stands right now.

There's a natural grouping of positions that will always be more important. And then the league evolves -- it's in a transition where RB is getting back in that group. If teams veer to far back to a run game you'll see interior lineman and inside LBs rise into that group too.

Still can’t believe we used the 2 on a RB. One way or another, this pick will he remembered for a long time.

I've never seen so much hand wringing over such a situation.

They had their pick of any QB other than Mayfield (and probably could have traded up for him if they really loved him, which Gettleman said they would do if they saw a guy like that), and they passed.

DG, Shurmur, Shula, and Mara decided that ELI would be the QB for the next couple of years. Once that was made it was a matter of getting the best value for our #2 pick. Lets move on and hope they made the right call.

In comment 14036119 Big Blue '56 said:

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In comment 14036113 UberAlias said: Quote: Than any other position. That is a fact. To my eyes, Darnold has looked like the obvious pick and NYG should have run to the podium to take him. He’s the complete package and will be a star. I’ve no idea what his doubters are seeing. There is a very good chance we are going to regret passing on him. No matter WHAT the Giants think/thought of Barkley, they would have taken Darnold in a nanosecond if he was, in their judgement, anything close to what you see in the guy.

Perhaps. But this is counter to everything DG has said. In the end, DG owns this decision. I sure hope he knows what he’s doing and we don’t regret passing up on Darnold.

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Based on what? 1 preseason game? As Rodgers would say, R-E-L-A-X.

My opinion based on everything. Not one preseason game.

In comment 14036113 UberAlias said:

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Than any other position. That is a fact. To my eyes, Darnold has looked like the obvious pick and NYG should have run to the podium to take him. He’s the complete package and will be a star. I’ve no idea what his doubters are seeing. There is a very good chance we are going to regret passing on him

He had Barkley rated way higher than anyone else on the board. And in everything I read, there were significant questions about everyone of the QBs. My guess is that if Josh Rosen had a clean medical, it might have been a much harder decision than it was. But, like a few posters said, they’ve played 1 preseason game.

is preposterous.

Faulk over Kurt Warner.

You do realize that Eli Manning, the QB the team is all in on, has led the league in INTs or tied 3 times and is top 10 all times among QBs in fumbles and most among active QBs, including 2 nd in the NFL in 2007 when he won the SB, right? But hey, who needs facts.

I'll never understand the upset over people discussing a topic you don't like.

Counter the argument, but getting aghast that some have an opinion and will continue to discuss this draft seems weird.

It's a big, organization changing decision. It's going to be dissected for years to come.

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You do realize that Eli Manning, the QB the team is all in on, has led the league in INTs or tied 3 times and is top 10 all times among QBs in fumbles and most among active QBs, including 2 nd in the NFL in 2007 when he won the SB, right? But hey, who needs facts.

So that makes drafting a turnover machine to be the heir apparent is a good idea?

In comment 14036185 cokeduplt said:

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In comment 14036167 UberAlias said: Quote: You do realize that Eli Manning, the QB the team is all in on, has led the league in INTs or tied 3 times and is top 10 all times among QBs in fumbles and most among active QBs, including 2 nd in the NFL in 2007 when he won the SB, right? But hey, who needs facts. So that makes drafting a turnover machine to be the heir apparent is a good idea?

Seriuosly? Um, it means you can’t look at one stat and expect it to tell the whole story. This would seem to be obvious.

In comment 14036189 UberAlias said:

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In comment 14036185 cokeduplt said: Quote: In comment 14036167 UberAlias said: Quote: You do realize that Eli Manning, the QB the team is all in on, has led the league in INTs or tied 3 times and is top 10 all times among QBs in fumbles and most among active QBs, including 2 nd in the NFL in 2007 when he won the SB, right? But hey, who needs facts. So that makes drafting a turnover machine to be the heir apparent is a good idea? Seriuosly? Um, it means you can’t look at one stat and expect it to tell the whole story. This would seem to be obvious.

Let’s see what happens Darnold wasn’t very good at USC last year. Now he’s a lick hall of famer after throwing 90 yards in a preseason game

Not lick

Anyone remember how unstoppable Rick Mirer or RG3 looked their rookie seasons? What happened afterward again?

Exactly. Too early to tell on these guys.

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that if barkley is a hall of famer and darnold is a hall of famer, giants made a bad pick, i think that is bs... you draft a hall of famer no matter the position it is a good pick

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

In comment 14036213 NYSports1 said:

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In comment 14036097 nygiants16 said: Quote: that if barkley is a hall of famer and darnold is a hall of famer, giants made a bad pick, i think that is bs... you draft a hall of famer no matter the position it is a good pick HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

what are you laughing at troll? so if barkley is hall of famer you are going to be mad?

what am i saying you would rather be right than barkley be good...

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Not lick

I’m not sure who you are having this discussion with. I didn’t see anyone say anything close to that. It might make for better conversation to address people’s actual points rather than making things up.

Nothing is close to certain now. Everyone agrees with that. But there was much talk about their being no QBs in this draft worthy of being a franchise player. We now have have first of many opportunities to begin evaluating/debating the notion. I’m that one small first test, two of the QBs at least past with flying colors. But the debate will go one for years before anything is certain.

In comment 14036214 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 14036213 NYSports1 said: Quote: In comment 14036097 nygiants16 said: Quote: that if barkley is a hall of famer and darnold is a hall of famer, giants made a bad pick, i think that is bs... you draft a hall of famer no matter the position it is a good pick HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA what are you laughing at troll? so if barkley is hall of famer you are going to be mad? what am i saying you would rather be right than barkley be good...

No because this has zero to do with barkley. I think he is going to be very good for us but the notion that you feel if Darnold or any other qb we could have taken is a HOF is the same as SB being a hof is pathetic

Judging by the amount of hits and responses to the theme of this post, most don t share the view that it s tiresome

and said fuck it no qb we get a rb...He should be fired today for such dumb thinking.

Is one thing to say he did not like the qb but to think Eli is a franchise qb still is laughable.

you still going to be bitching?

Both can be looked at as two of the very top echelon of their respective positions in the past 40 years in the NFL.

And anybody implying on this thread that they wouldn't rather have drafted the HOF QB Elway over the HOF RB Sanders, knowing both would achieve that status ahead of time, is foolish.

That being said, if Gettleman only saw the vision of Barkley reaching similar status vs. Darnold or any other QB this year, he absolutely made the right decision. Time will tell us if his vision is any good...

Barkley is going to be a great player for us. Let’s hope they can now figure out the long term answer at QB. That’s a huge franchise altering question.

it doesnt mean the jets are going to go win championships, just like it doesnt mean giants are going to win championships with barkley if he is a hall of famer...

key is identifying the talent and building around them...

we all can agree rodgers is a better qb than eli, who has more championships?

joe flacco who js nowhere near a hall of fame.player has the same amount of championships as aaron rodgers...

drafting the qb does not mean you are going to win, and it does not make it any easier

but didnt win until the end of his career when he had a great running back

Carrying them on his shoulders.

It was a great running game, not just the back. Player after player had success in that backfield, not just Davis.

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Carrying them on his shoulders.

but that is my point he could only take them so far, it takes a team to win a championship not just a great qb..

By 98 Elway was more a game manager, but he had a fantastic season in 97.

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In comment 14036254 UberAlias said: Quote: Carrying them on his shoulders. but that is my point he could only take them so far, it takes a team to win a championship not just a great qb..

Yes, but you're getting caught up the nuance of competing for championships vs. winning them. Elway absolutely brought the value that Denver consistently competed for them almost every year. The improved running game got them over the hump in winning the last game a couple of times.