I remember last year preseason game against the Pats, Webb came in and looked fantastic. He "pulled an Eli" and came back with very little time on the clock to beat them at the end of the game. Time will tell. I'm not giving up on him or Lauletta yet. Seems like most on here have.
But if Darnold is too, then it was the wrong pick, plain and simple.
Sure, we could trade up again another year, but we could've solved the QB problem this year, in a strong class, without having to give up future assets.
It's a QB league
If this scenario played out, would it be the wrong pick if we won one or two superbowls with Barkley and the Jets didn't win any in that time period?
Exactly. How many Super Bowls did Marino win.
RE: Darnold may have a great career and maybe not. Too early to tell. But Â
I remember last year preseason game against the Pats, Webb came in and looked fantastic. He "pulled an Eli" and came back with very little time on the clock to beat them at the end of the game. Time will tell. I'm not giving up on him or Lauletta yet. Seems like most on here have.
i wonder if Jaguars fans watched that game and were pissed off that their stupid management passed on Webb and instead drafted that do-nothing, little value JAG, Fournette?
I didn't even enjoy the pick at #2 because I was pissed we didn't take Darnold. But then I realized QBs are a crap shoot and Barkley is supposed to be a slam dunk. We can shoot the craps against in a year or two. That said even if I didn't change my thinking I'd like to think I wouldn't whine nonstop about it and would just root for Barkley to succeed.
RE: RE: Darnold may have a great career and maybe not. Too early to tell. But Â
I remember last year preseason game against the Pats, Webb came in and looked fantastic. He "pulled an Eli" and came back with very little time on the clock to beat them at the end of the game. Time will tell. I'm not giving up on him or Lauletta yet. Seems like most on here have.
i wonder if Jaguars fans watched that game and were pissed off that their stupid management passed on Webb and instead drafted that do-nothing, little value JAG, Fournette?
Wasn't one taken top 5 or so and one taken in the 3rd round. Typo?
are we really going to have a Barkley vs. Mayfield/Darnold/Rosen/Allen debate after every single game from here until when?
Because that's what it feels like you guys are setting us up for.
And if someone posts a thread like that after every game...what of it?
You're not required to read those threads or participate unless you choose to.
I swear some of you think BBI is supposed to be some sort of "safe space" where only the topics YOU want to discuss are allowed.
It's really simple. If it's a topic you don't want to discuss or something you don't want to read, then don't open the thread.
And I also find it interesting Britt that you had no problem earlier this week starting your own thread about Darnold to suggest that he would have been a risky choice for the Giants @ 2...yet now that Darnold has actually played a game (and played well) somehow that's not a thread-worthy debate?
Interesting.
This is a legitimate debate but having it every week is insanity Â
the sad thing is there seem to be some that aren't going to enjoy Barkley's career at all.
Darnold looked very poised and his arm looked great. Which I believe bodes well for him.
That being said we have to see what happens with our team. If our line can be decent I think we have a shot at one more playoff run before Eli retires. I think Eli has something left in the tank, if I am wrong and so is the new regime maybe its time to move on from the Giants old guard. There are a lot of angles to this decision and we have to let it all play out.
Also, just a closing thought. If Barkley is great for us he deserves our unwavering support as fans even if Darnold is great too. It does feel like nothing will ever be good enough for some, it isn't Saquon's fault he was a slam dunk draft pick and RBs don't get paid much on the whole.
Some of you guys already wrote your narrative. You're not willing to let this play out at all, you've already made up your mind. And any time Sam Darnold throws a TD pass or Saquon Barkley is tackled for a loss, this is where you'll be - telling everyone all about it.
What if Darnold and Barkley are both really good?
The 2018 NFL draft wasn't the Giants' last opportunity to find a QB... there will be other opportunities.
I thought Webb sucked against Cleveland - but I'm willing to watch more of him before I decide he's a wash.
I also thought Lauletta did some good things and wouldn't write him off.
are we really going to have a Barkley vs. Mayfield/Darnold/Rosen/Allen debate after every single game from here until when?
Because that's what it feels like you guys are setting us up for.
I think you should expect folks on here will do just that (not me).
My guess is they will be as productive as the Eli threads that were posted after last year's game when he had his ups (second Philly game) and his downs (Arizona game). You know what I mean...
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the sad thing is there seem to be some that aren't going to enjoy Barkley's career at all.
Darnold looked very poised and his arm looked great. Which I believe bodes well for him.
That being said we have to see what happens with our team. If our line can be decent I think we have a shot at one more playoff run before Eli retires. I think Eli has something left in the tank, if I am wrong and so is the new regime maybe its time to move on from the Giants old guard. There are a lot of angles to this decision and we have to let it all play out.
Also, just a closing thought. If Barkley is great for us he deserves our unwavering support as fans even if Darnold is great too. It does feel like nothing will ever be good enough for some, it isn't Saquon's fault he was a slam dunk draft pick and RBs don't get paid much on the whole.
Again...It's pretty simple.
YOU don't have to have the debate EVERY week. Only people that open the thread and choose to participate will be part of the debate.
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I remember last year preseason game against the Pats, Webb came in and looked fantastic. He "pulled an Eli" and came back with very little time on the clock to beat them at the end of the game. Time will tell. I'm not giving up on him or Lauletta yet. Seems like most on here have.
i wonder if Jaguars fans watched that game and were pissed off that their stupid management passed on Webb and instead drafted that do-nothing, little value JAG, Fournette?
Wasn't one taken top 5 or so and one taken in the 3rd round. Typo?
nope. Not a typo. Doesn’t change the point. They chose poorly in taking Fournette over Webb...at least based on one preseason game.
RE: RE: This is a legitimate debate but having it every week is insanity Â
the sad thing is there seem to be some that aren't going to enjoy Barkley's career at all.
Darnold looked very poised and his arm looked great. Which I believe bodes well for him.
That being said we have to see what happens with our team. If our line can be decent I think we have a shot at one more playoff run before Eli retires. I think Eli has something left in the tank, if I am wrong and so is the new regime maybe its time to move on from the Giants old guard. There are a lot of angles to this decision and we have to let it all play out.
Also, just a closing thought. If Barkley is great for us he deserves our unwavering support as fans even if Darnold is great too. It does feel like nothing will ever be good enough for some, it isn't Saquon's fault he was a slam dunk draft pick and RBs don't get paid much on the whole.
Again...It's pretty simple.
YOU don't have to have the debate EVERY week. Only people that open the thread and choose to participate will be part of the debate.
Ok Mr. Sass Caps. I am entitled to think it is insanity to have the debate every week. If people can beat a dead horse about a topic why can't I also comment on the commentary? It is you that isn't applying the same logic to me that you are advocating.
I simply stated that it is insanity to have the debate every week. It is you that is taking it a step further and telling me I don't have to with an aggressive tone to your writing. I know full and well what I can and can't do thank you very much. Now before you say isn't it just as insane to comment on the commentary every week? Well, I have no plans to do that. So to recap we are both trying to be arbiters but you are doing it more aggressively and literally telling me what to do while also being a hypocrite.
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I was saying that I've heard a variation of this all offseason, and it is still being said in all of its brilliant ignorant glory!
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Barkley
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could be a HOF.
But if Darnold is too, then it was the wrong pick, plain and simple.
Sure, we could trade up again another year, but we could've solved the QB problem this year, in a strong class, without having to give up future assets.
It's a QB league
If you pick a HoF RB - a HoF any position - that is a GREAT pick. It doesn't matter if other guys are great picks, if you pick a HoF, he's going to give us many years of excellent football to watch.
And it doesn't even take into account who the Giants next QB is!
Just a moronic statement on so many levels and yet there are quite a few posters spewing a variation of that bullshit.
I was saying that I've heard a variation of this all offseason, and it is still being said in all of its brilliant ignorant glory!
Quote:
Barkley
crackerjack465 : 4:44 pm : link : reply
could be a HOF.
But if Darnold is too, then it was the wrong pick, plain and simple.
Sure, we could trade up again another year, but we could've solved the QB problem this year, in a strong class, without having to give up future assets.
It's a QB league
If you pick a HoF RB - a HoF any position - that is a GREAT pick. It doesn't matter if other guys are great picks, if you pick a HoF, he's going to give us many years of excellent football to watch.
And it doesn't even take into account who the Giants next QB is!
Just a moronic statement on so many levels and yet there are quite a few posters spewing a variation of that bullshit.
thats BS. We have the second claim of anyone put on waivers. We can pick up a HoFer anytime.
the sad thing is there seem to be some that aren't going to enjoy Barkley's career at all.
Darnold looked very poised and his arm looked great. Which I believe bodes well for him.
That being said we have to see what happens with our team. If our line can be decent I think we have a shot at one more playoff run before Eli retires. I think Eli has something left in the tank, if I am wrong and so is the new regime maybe its time to move on from the Giants old guard. There are a lot of angles to this decision and we have to let it all play out.
Also, just a closing thought. If Barkley is great for us he deserves our unwavering support as fans even if Darnold is great too. It does feel like nothing will ever be good enough for some, it isn't Saquon's fault he was a slam dunk draft pick and RBs don't get paid much on the whole.
Again...It's pretty simple.
YOU don't have to have the debate EVERY week. Only people that open the thread and choose to participate will be part of the debate.
Ok Mr. Sass Caps. I am entitled to think it is insanity to have the debate every week. If people can beat a dead horse about a topic why can't I also comment on the commentary? It is you that isn't applying the same logic to me that you are advocating.
I simply stated that it is insanity to have the debate every week. It is you that is taking it a step further and telling me I don't have to with an aggressive tone to your writing. I know full and well what I can and can't do thank you very much. Now before you say isn't it just as insane to comment on the commentary every week? Well, I have no plans to do that. So to recap we are both trying to be arbiters but you are doing it more aggressively and literally telling me what to do while also being a hypocrite.
Caps are a way to emphasize words. They are not meant to be aggressive or inflammatory. Sorry you viewed them that way and took my post so personally.
I'm simply reminding you (and others) that you don't have to open threads you don't like, nor do you have to participate. If you really think about it, suggesting that BBI shouldn't debate something just because YOU don't want to or at least you don't want to every week is pretty silly.
I’m not a Mets fan, I don’t watch hockey and I think FF is stupid. But if I opened Mets, Rangers or FF threads to tell those thread participants that they shouldn’t be debating something that I’m not interested in people would think I was a loon and probably tell me to f**k off.
There will be threads on BBI that don't interest you and debates you don't want to have. It makes no sense for you (or anyone else) to suggest that we shouldn't be having the debate, just because you don't want to have it.
RE: RE: RE: RE: This is a legitimate debate but having it every week is insanity Â
the sad thing is there seem to be some that aren't going to enjoy Barkley's career at all.
Darnold looked very poised and his arm looked great. Which I believe bodes well for him.
That being said we have to see what happens with our team. If our line can be decent I think we have a shot at one more playoff run before Eli retires. I think Eli has something left in the tank, if I am wrong and so is the new regime maybe its time to move on from the Giants old guard. There are a lot of angles to this decision and we have to let it all play out.
Also, just a closing thought. If Barkley is great for us he deserves our unwavering support as fans even if Darnold is great too. It does feel like nothing will ever be good enough for some, it isn't Saquon's fault he was a slam dunk draft pick and RBs don't get paid much on the whole.
Again...It's pretty simple.
YOU don't have to have the debate EVERY week. Only people that open the thread and choose to participate will be part of the debate.
Ok Mr. Sass Caps. I am entitled to think it is insanity to have the debate every week. If people can beat a dead horse about a topic why can't I also comment on the commentary? It is you that isn't applying the same logic to me that you are advocating.
I simply stated that it is insanity to have the debate every week. It is you that is taking it a step further and telling me I don't have to with an aggressive tone to your writing. I know full and well what I can and can't do thank you very much. Now before you say isn't it just as insane to comment on the commentary every week? Well, I have no plans to do that. So to recap we are both trying to be arbiters but you are doing it more aggressively and literally telling me what to do while also being a hypocrite.
Caps are a way to emphasize words. They are not meant to be aggressive or inflammatory. Sorry you viewed them that way and took my post so personally.
I'm simply reminding you (and others) that you don't have to open threads you don't like, nor do you have to participate. If you really think about it, suggesting that BBI shouldn't debate something just because YOU don't want to or at least you don't want to every week is pretty silly.
I’m not a Mets fan, I don’t watch hockey and I think FF is stupid. But if I opened Mets, Rangers or FF threads to tell those thread participants that they shouldn’t be debating something that I’m not interested in people would think I was a loon and probably tell me to f**k off.
There will be threads on BBI that don't interest you and debates you don't want to have. It makes no sense for you (or anyone else) to suggest that we shouldn't be having the debate, just because you don't want to have it.
At no point did I say they shouldn't do it. I said it was insanity and I believe that to be the case wholeheartedly. Per my point you were the only one telling people what to do. People do things that others think are crazy all the time it doesn't mean I think individuals should be limited in their freedom.
He does well in the modern offense with all short throws. Still, in order to win in the league, you have to make deep throws. In all of the college tape on him out there, I saw zero true deep throws. Same last night. I remember Dak looking like a Hall of Fame player two years ago until he played us. Then he had to make some deep throws, and I saw the weakness. I suspect Darnold is the same. I think the Jets have a good QB. Just not a great one. And probably one you will not win it all with. At the end of the day, if he doesn't lead you to a SB, he is a failure. I don't think he is that type of player.
You are completely missing the point, though it’s not surprising. The question isn’t can you start a thread day after day bitching about not taking a QB. The question is, why the hell would you want to? It’s over. They didn’t take one. At what point do we move on and focus on this team and what we have to do from this point forward?
We all know the answer. The QB at all costs crowd want to be right. They want to say “I told you so”. They want to believe that they are the smartest guys in the room. In most cases, their parents basements. Guys like you will deny it all day long, but it is incredibly obvious that you’d rather see Darnold succeed and Barkley fail because it’s more gratifying for you to be right than it is for the Giants to succeed. You don’t appear to ebe enjoying any of this. You wanted a QB and it’s more important for your weird ass ego that we regret the move than it is to actually support the team on the field.
Don’t bother denying it. We all know you will claim it’s bullshit. But you and all the other QB at all costs guys are proving the point on a daily basis. Many times, multiple times a day. Good luck in your endeavor
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: This is a legitimate debate but having it every week is insanity Â
the sad thing is there seem to be some that aren't going to enjoy Barkley's career at all.
Darnold looked very poised and his arm looked great. Which I believe bodes well for him.
That being said we have to see what happens with our team. If our line can be decent I think we have a shot at one more playoff run before Eli retires. I think Eli has something left in the tank, if I am wrong and so is the new regime maybe its time to move on from the Giants old guard. There are a lot of angles to this decision and we have to let it all play out.
Also, just a closing thought. If Barkley is great for us he deserves our unwavering support as fans even if Darnold is great too. It does feel like nothing will ever be good enough for some, it isn't Saquon's fault he was a slam dunk draft pick and RBs don't get paid much on the whole.
Again...It's pretty simple.
YOU don't have to have the debate EVERY week. Only people that open the thread and choose to participate will be part of the debate.
Ok Mr. Sass Caps. I am entitled to think it is insanity to have the debate every week. If people can beat a dead horse about a topic why can't I also comment on the commentary? It is you that isn't applying the same logic to me that you are advocating.
I simply stated that it is insanity to have the debate every week. It is you that is taking it a step further and telling me I don't have to with an aggressive tone to your writing. I know full and well what I can and can't do thank you very much. Now before you say isn't it just as insane to comment on the commentary every week? Well, I have no plans to do that. So to recap we are both trying to be arbiters but you are doing it more aggressively and literally telling me what to do while also being a hypocrite.
Caps are a way to emphasize words. They are not meant to be aggressive or inflammatory. Sorry you viewed them that way and took my post so personally.
I'm simply reminding you (and others) that you don't have to open threads you don't like, nor do you have to participate. If you really think about it, suggesting that BBI shouldn't debate something just because YOU don't want to or at least you don't want to every week is pretty silly.
I’m not a Mets fan, I don’t watch hockey and I think FF is stupid. But if I opened Mets, Rangers or FF threads to tell those thread participants that they shouldn’t be debating something that I’m not interested in people would think I was a loon and probably tell me to f**k off.
There will be threads on BBI that don't interest you and debates you don't want to have. It makes no sense for you (or anyone else) to suggest that we shouldn't be having the debate, just because you don't want to have it.
At no point did I say they shouldn't do it. I said it was insanity and I believe that to be the case wholeheartedly. Per my point you were the only one telling people what to do. People do things that others think are crazy all the time it doesn't mean I think individuals should be limited in their freedom.
I actually let you off pretty easy. I didn't even mention the "insane" part of your original post where you said that "some...aren't going to enjoy Barkley's career at all" presumably because they're focused on one or more of the QBs the Giants passed on.
I was a "we need to draft a QB" guy (obviously) but I'll have no problem rooting for Barkley, because I'm a Giants fan of 50+ years and I root for ALL players wearing the uniform. I expect that every other Giants fan on this site will be rooting for Barkley to do well and for the Giants to win...regardless of which player they wanted in the draft.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: This is a legitimate debate but having it every week is insanity Â
the sad thing is there seem to be some that aren't going to enjoy Barkley's career at all.
Darnold looked very poised and his arm looked great. Which I believe bodes well for him.
That being said we have to see what happens with our team. If our line can be decent I think we have a shot at one more playoff run before Eli retires. I think Eli has something left in the tank, if I am wrong and so is the new regime maybe its time to move on from the Giants old guard. There are a lot of angles to this decision and we have to let it all play out.
Also, just a closing thought. If Barkley is great for us he deserves our unwavering support as fans even if Darnold is great too. It does feel like nothing will ever be good enough for some, it isn't Saquon's fault he was a slam dunk draft pick and RBs don't get paid much on the whole.
Again...It's pretty simple.
YOU don't have to have the debate EVERY week. Only people that open the thread and choose to participate will be part of the debate.
Ok Mr. Sass Caps. I am entitled to think it is insanity to have the debate every week. If people can beat a dead horse about a topic why can't I also comment on the commentary? It is you that isn't applying the same logic to me that you are advocating.
I simply stated that it is insanity to have the debate every week. It is you that is taking it a step further and telling me I don't have to with an aggressive tone to your writing. I know full and well what I can and can't do thank you very much. Now before you say isn't it just as insane to comment on the commentary every week? Well, I have no plans to do that. So to recap we are both trying to be arbiters but you are doing it more aggressively and literally telling me what to do while also being a hypocrite.
Caps are a way to emphasize words. They are not meant to be aggressive or inflammatory. Sorry you viewed them that way and took my post so personally.
I'm simply reminding you (and others) that you don't have to open threads you don't like, nor do you have to participate. If you really think about it, suggesting that BBI shouldn't debate something just because YOU don't want to or at least you don't want to every week is pretty silly.
I’m not a Mets fan, I don’t watch hockey and I think FF is stupid. But if I opened Mets, Rangers or FF threads to tell those thread participants that they shouldn’t be debating something that I’m not interested in people would think I was a loon and probably tell me to f**k off.
There will be threads on BBI that don't interest you and debates you don't want to have. It makes no sense for you (or anyone else) to suggest that we shouldn't be having the debate, just because you don't want to have it.
At no point did I say they shouldn't do it. I said it was insanity and I believe that to be the case wholeheartedly. Per my point you were the only one telling people what to do. People do things that others think are crazy all the time it doesn't mean I think individuals should be limited in their freedom.
I actually let you off pretty easy. I didn't even mention the "insane" part of your original post where you said that "some...aren't going to enjoy Barkley's career at all" presumably because they're focused on one or more of the QBs the Giants passed on.
I was a "we need to draft a QB" guy (obviously) but I'll have no problem rooting for Barkley, because I'm a Giants fan of 50+ years and I root for ALL players wearing the uniform. I expect that every other Giants fan on this site will be rooting for Barkley to do well and for the Giants to win...regardless of which player they wanted in the draft.
at least 1 or 2 of those guys will turn out to be solid QBs. But even I agree having a thread on this everyday/every week is a tad ridiculous. We still have Eli, and when he is retired, however long it takes to find a good QB, is how long it takes. Maybe we'll get lucky and it won't take long at all, who knows. If it does wind up taking a long time, then at least we'll still have Beckham and Barkley and be loaded at those positions. Let's just hope it isn't a repeat of the 90's and go from there. And if it is that type of situation, let's at least hope we win a Championship this year or next..
Darnold could get hurt. He could crap out. He could never play like that again in games that count. But he looked nothing like Mark Sanchez. He looked like a star. Mark Sanchez never looked like a star. He's big, he's fast, he has a big arm, he's smart and he had a lot of poise during the game and after. Jet fans have every reason to be really excited and if he's their Eli and the Giants passed on him it will be just a little bit sweeter. Barkley seems like the real deal too but RBs just don't matter as much as QBs.
You are completely missing the point, though it’s not surprising. The question isn’t can you start a thread day after day bitching about not taking a QB. The question is, why the hell would you want to? It’s over. They didn’t take one. At what point do we move on and focus on this team and what we have to do from this point forward?
We all know the answer. The QB at all costs crowd want to be right. They want to say “I told you so”. They want to believe that they are the smartest guys in the room. In most cases, their parents basements. Guys like you will deny it all day long, but it is incredibly obvious that you’d rather see Darnold succeed and Barkley fail because it’s more gratifying for you to be right than it is for the Giants to succeed. You don’t appear to ebe enjoying any of this. You wanted a QB and it’s more important for your weird ass ego that we regret the move than it is to actually support the team on the field.
Don’t bother denying it. We all know you will claim it’s bullshit. But you and all the other QB at all costs guys are proving the point on a daily basis. Many times, multiple times a day. Good luck in your endeavor
I don't know how old you are but that's a pretty immature post.
You open with a needless insult and then include a tired "living in your parents basement" burn and I'm supposed to take you seriously?
I don't for one minute think that if the Giants had decided to go with a QB @ 2, that the BBIers who wanted Barkley or some other non-QB would be rooting against the team because the Giants didn't take their guy. It's an idiotic narrative. We are ALL Giants fans and we ALL want them to succeed.
Posters will return to claim that they were right, there's no denying that. But nobody is rooting against them just so they can run to BBI and "win" a debate.
RE: I also wanted a QB and still very much think Â
at least 1 or 2 of those guys will turn out to be solid QBs. But even I agree having a thread on this everyday/every week is a tad ridiculous. We still have Eli, and when he is retired, however long it takes to find a good QB, is how long it takes. Maybe we'll get lucky and it won't take long at all, who knows. If it does wind up taking a long time, then at least we'll still have Beckham and Barkley and be loaded at those positions. Let's just hope it isn't a repeat of the 90's and go from there. And if it is that type of situation, let's at least hope we win a Championship this year or next..
This is pretty much how I feel. I wanted a QB. It didn’t happen. So I guess I can either move on and let things play out and hope for the best or I can continually whine, bitch, moan and complain that the Giants certainly screwed up. I have no interest in being “right”. My only interest is this team that we have and moving forward. Looking back has usually never had positive results. Life’s too damn short. Enjoy what you have and not what you might have had. But that’s just me.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: This is a legitimate debate but having it every week is insanity Â
the sad thing is there seem to be some that aren't going to enjoy Barkley's career at all.
Darnold looked very poised and his arm looked great. Which I believe bodes well for him.
That being said we have to see what happens with our team. If our line can be decent I think we have a shot at one more playoff run before Eli retires. I think Eli has something left in the tank, if I am wrong and so is the new regime maybe its time to move on from the Giants old guard. There are a lot of angles to this decision and we have to let it all play out.
Also, just a closing thought. If Barkley is great for us he deserves our unwavering support as fans even if Darnold is great too. It does feel like nothing will ever be good enough for some, it isn't Saquon's fault he was a slam dunk draft pick and RBs don't get paid much on the whole.
Again...It's pretty simple.
YOU don't have to have the debate EVERY week. Only people that open the thread and choose to participate will be part of the debate.
Ok Mr. Sass Caps. I am entitled to think it is insanity to have the debate every week. If people can beat a dead horse about a topic why can't I also comment on the commentary? It is you that isn't applying the same logic to me that you are advocating.
I simply stated that it is insanity to have the debate every week. It is you that is taking it a step further and telling me I don't have to with an aggressive tone to your writing. I know full and well what I can and can't do thank you very much. Now before you say isn't it just as insane to comment on the commentary every week? Well, I have no plans to do that. So to recap we are both trying to be arbiters but you are doing it more aggressively and literally telling me what to do while also being a hypocrite.
Caps are a way to emphasize words. They are not meant to be aggressive or inflammatory. Sorry you viewed them that way and took my post so personally.
I'm simply reminding you (and others) that you don't have to open threads you don't like, nor do you have to participate. If you really think about it, suggesting that BBI shouldn't debate something just because YOU don't want to or at least you don't want to every week is pretty silly.
I’m not a Mets fan, I don’t watch hockey and I think FF is stupid. But if I opened Mets, Rangers or FF threads to tell those thread participants that they shouldn’t be debating something that I’m not interested in people would think I was a loon and probably tell me to f**k off.
There will be threads on BBI that don't interest you and debates you don't want to have. It makes no sense for you (or anyone else) to suggest that we shouldn't be having the debate, just because you don't want to have it.
At no point did I say they shouldn't do it. I said it was insanity and I believe that to be the case wholeheartedly. Per my point you were the only one telling people what to do. People do things that others think are crazy all the time it doesn't mean I think individuals should be limited in their freedom.
I actually let you off pretty easy. I didn't even mention the "insane" part of your original post where you said that "some...aren't going to enjoy Barkley's career at all" presumably because they're focused on one or more of the QBs the Giants passed on.
I was a "we need to draft a QB" guy (obviously) but I'll have no problem rooting for Barkley, because I'm a Giants fan of 50+ years and I root for ALL players wearing the uniform. I expect that every other Giants fan on this site will be rooting for Barkley to do well and for the Giants to win...regardless of which player they wanted in the draft.
Yeah. Bullshit.
Another well-thought-out post.
Keep 'em coming!
I wanted Saquon and I would take Saquon again 10 times out of 10. Â
the sad thing is there seem to be some that aren't going to enjoy Barkley's career at all.
Darnold looked very poised and his arm looked great. Which I believe bodes well for him.
That being said we have to see what happens with our team. If our line can be decent I think we have a shot at one more playoff run before Eli retires. I think Eli has something left in the tank, if I am wrong and so is the new regime maybe its time to move on from the Giants old guard. There are a lot of angles to this decision and we have to let it all play out.
Also, just a closing thought. If Barkley is great for us he deserves our unwavering support as fans even if Darnold is great too. It does feel like nothing will ever be good enough for some, it isn't Saquon's fault he was a slam dunk draft pick and RBs don't get paid much on the whole.
Again...It's pretty simple.
YOU don't have to have the debate EVERY week. Only people that open the thread and choose to participate will be part of the debate.
Ok Mr. Sass Caps. I am entitled to think it is insanity to have the debate every week. If people can beat a dead horse about a topic why can't I also comment on the commentary? It is you that isn't applying the same logic to me that you are advocating.
I simply stated that it is insanity to have the debate every week. It is you that is taking it a step further and telling me I don't have to with an aggressive tone to your writing. I know full and well what I can and can't do thank you very much. Now before you say isn't it just as insane to comment on the commentary every week? Well, I have no plans to do that. So to recap we are both trying to be arbiters but you are doing it more aggressively and literally telling me what to do while also being a hypocrite.
Caps are a way to emphasize words. They are not meant to be aggressive or inflammatory. Sorry you viewed them that way and took my post so personally.
I'm simply reminding you (and others) that you don't have to open threads you don't like, nor do you have to participate. If you really think about it, suggesting that BBI shouldn't debate something just because YOU don't want to or at least you don't want to every week is pretty silly.
I’m not a Mets fan, I don’t watch hockey and I think FF is stupid. But if I opened Mets, Rangers or FF threads to tell those thread participants that they shouldn’t be debating something that I’m not interested in people would think I was a loon and probably tell me to f**k off.
There will be threads on BBI that don't interest you and debates you don't want to have. It makes no sense for you (or anyone else) to suggest that we shouldn't be having the debate, just because you don't want to have it.
At no point did I say they shouldn't do it. I said it was insanity and I believe that to be the case wholeheartedly. Per my point you were the only one telling people what to do. People do things that others think are crazy all the time it doesn't mean I think individuals should be limited in their freedom.
I actually let you off pretty easy. I didn't even mention the "insane" part of your original post where you said that "some...aren't going to enjoy Barkley's career at all" presumably because they're focused on one or more of the QBs the Giants passed on.
I was a "we need to draft a QB" guy (obviously) but I'll have no problem rooting for Barkley, because I'm a Giants fan of 50+ years and I root for ALL players wearing the uniform. I expect that every other Giants fan on this site will be rooting for Barkley to do well and for the Giants to win...regardless of which player they wanted in the draft.
Oh how magnanimous of you. What I said was "...seem to be some that aren't going to enjoy Barkley's career at all." That was based on people on another thread complaining after his first performance because one of his runs was a loss. I'm not extrapolating off of nothing. There are plenty on this site that in my opinion have been way too hard on Eli over his career it, again, isn't far fetched to think that could happen with Saquon.
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Without trading picks or players? Then DG is forgiven but that also means he was wrong about Eli and we have a top 5 pick
No it doesn't mean that. You can draft great QBs outside of the top 5. I'm not talking about banking on a 6th rounder, you can have a mid to late first round pick be a great QB no questions asked. You know that but you want to bash DG.
Ohh I see so a mid to late first rounder that will be great. Must not have been rated high in college to be late first rounder as a qb. But if we do take one late first then do you not think people and media will question why not take Darnold or a qb this past draft
So a late first round qb next year that we will hope we strike gold and SB this year will be a better chance than taking Darnold this year and a running back in later rounds.
Or here me out, this could be crazy
Darnold this year and that late first rounder next year could be an impact linebacker or DE
Sounds better to me than a RB with the second pick and a later first round qb next year that we must hope and pray is sent from above...
Yeah Barkley this year and a QB next year in the mid to late portion of the first round where we'll be hopefully drafting means you get a generational RB and likely a good QB prospect. Rather than a bit of a better QB prospect this year and someone who doesn't come close to Barkley next year.
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So you telling me that there will not be a back drafted from rounds 2 to 6 in the next 3 years that would not be as productive or better than SB...I can tell you the chances of that happening are much higher then we finding a qb who will be as franchise qb
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the sad thing is there seem to be some that aren't going to enjoy Barkley's career at all.
Darnold looked very poised and his arm looked great. Which I believe bodes well for him.
That being said we have to see what happens with our team. If our line can be decent I think we have a shot at one more playoff run before Eli retires. I think Eli has something left in the tank, if I am wrong and so is the new regime maybe its time to move on from the Giants old guard. There are a lot of angles to this decision and we have to let it all play out.
Also, just a closing thought. If Barkley is great for us he deserves our unwavering support as fans even if Darnold is great too. It does feel like nothing will ever be good enough for some, it isn't Saquon's fault he was a slam dunk draft pick and RBs don't get paid much on the whole.
Again...It's pretty simple.
YOU don't have to have the debate EVERY week. Only people that open the thread and choose to participate will be part of the debate.
Ok Mr. Sass Caps. I am entitled to think it is insanity to have the debate every week. If people can beat a dead horse about a topic why can't I also comment on the commentary? It is you that isn't applying the same logic to me that you are advocating.
I simply stated that it is insanity to have the debate every week. It is you that is taking it a step further and telling me I don't have to with an aggressive tone to your writing. I know full and well what I can and can't do thank you very much. Now before you say isn't it just as insane to comment on the commentary every week? Well, I have no plans to do that. So to recap we are both trying to be arbiters but you are doing it more aggressively and literally telling me what to do while also being a hypocrite.
Caps are a way to emphasize words. They are not meant to be aggressive or inflammatory. Sorry you viewed them that way and took my post so personally.
I'm simply reminding you (and others) that you don't have to open threads you don't like, nor do you have to participate. If you really think about it, suggesting that BBI shouldn't debate something just because YOU don't want to or at least you don't want to every week is pretty silly.
I’m not a Mets fan, I don’t watch hockey and I think FF is stupid. But if I opened Mets, Rangers or FF threads to tell those thread participants that they shouldn’t be debating something that I’m not interested in people would think I was a loon and probably tell me to f**k off.
There will be threads on BBI that don't interest you and debates you don't want to have. It makes no sense for you (or anyone else) to suggest that we shouldn't be having the debate, just because you don't want to have it.
At no point did I say they shouldn't do it. I said it was insanity and I believe that to be the case wholeheartedly. Per my point you were the only one telling people what to do. People do things that others think are crazy all the time it doesn't mean I think individuals should be limited in their freedom.
I actually let you off pretty easy. I didn't even mention the "insane" part of your original post where you said that "some...aren't going to enjoy Barkley's career at all" presumably because they're focused on one or more of the QBs the Giants passed on.
I was a "we need to draft a QB" guy (obviously) but I'll have no problem rooting for Barkley, because I'm a Giants fan of 50+ years and I root for ALL players wearing the uniform. I expect that every other Giants fan on this site will be rooting for Barkley to do well and for the Giants to win...regardless of which player they wanted in the draft.
Oh how magnanimous of you. What I said was "...seem to be some that aren't going to enjoy Barkley's career at all." That was based on people on another thread complaining after his first performance because one of his runs was a loss. I'm not extrapolating off of nothing. There are plenty on this site that in my opinion have been way too hard on Eli over his career it, again, isn't far fetched to think that could happen with Saquon.
Whatever. Have a good night! I've got to run.
By the way, back in Dayne's rookie year (before the login function was added) I used to occasionally post as "No Gain Dayne" so at least we agree on something.
I enjoyed coming here and reading interesting posts. But now it sucks. Get over yourselves and stop arguing about bs. People don't agree w you...big fucking deal. It sucks for those of us that aren't shitheads like you to open a thread and have to read 90% personal arguments and attacks. No one cares about you or what you have to say.
Id ban every stupid fuck that thinks it is their god given need to attack a post they don't agree with. What do I know tho, it's the internet in 2018. Live it up shitheads
I think a lot of that goes on here. Guys rooting more to be correct than the Giants winning. And it s not just the quarterback or no quarterback debate
the Giants still believe in the “franchise QB” model. If they still believe in that model, you’d figure they would have taken Darnold/Allen/Rosen since Eli is 37 coming off a 3-13 season.
With Shurmur being hired from Minnesota, maybe the thought process was:
1. Draft Barkley - best player on their board
2. Build up the o-line, running game with Eli - hope he has 2-3 years left
3. Draft Lauletta - a guy Shurmur previously met and is high on
4. QB cap flexibility allows for stronger roster
I hope what I outlined above is the case. Interestingly enough, the Vikings had this model but still threw crazy money at Cousins. Would love to know if Shurmur agreed would that move.
But, the fact remains - if NYG believes in the franchise QB model and Darnold has a 15 year career delivering NYJ a Super Bowl, of course the pick will be scrutinized. But as Britt mentioned, it’s a conversation for 5-7 years down the road.
Also, if Barkley lives up to expectations and is a key part to deep playoff runs & maybe even a SB title, the pick was correct. The player Barkley is cannot be dismissed in the debate.
Lastly, I firmly believe Davis Webb had absolutely nothing to do with the decision. I think Shurmur has clear hopes for Lauletta & I think we should all be rooting for him.
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could be a HOF.
But if Darnold is too, then it was the wrong pick, plain and simple.
Sure, we could trade up again another year, but we could've solved the QB problem this year, in a strong class, without having to give up future assets.
It's a QB league
If this scenario played out, would it be the wrong pick if we won one or two superbowls with Barkley and the Jets didn't win any in that time period?
Exactly. How many Super Bowls did Marino win.
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I remember last year preseason game against the Pats, Webb came in and looked fantastic. He "pulled an Eli" and came back with very little time on the clock to beat them at the end of the game. Time will tell. I'm not giving up on him or Lauletta yet. Seems like most on here have.
i wonder if Jaguars fans watched that game and were pissed off that their stupid management passed on Webb and instead drafted that do-nothing, little value JAG, Fournette?
Wasn't one taken top 5 or so and one taken in the 3rd round. Typo?
Because that's what it feels like you guys are setting us up for.
Get ready for it.. it's going to be a long year of this shit.
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are we really going to have a Barkley vs. Mayfield/Darnold/Rosen/Allen debate after every single game from here until when?
Because that's what it feels like you guys are setting us up for.
Get ready for it.. it's going to be a long year of this shit.
It's actually fascinating to a degree. People are really struggling to accept that we passed on a QB. They were really blindsided by it.
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are we really going to have a Barkley vs. Mayfield/Darnold/Rosen/Allen debate after every single game from here until when?
Because that's what it feels like you guys are setting us up for.
Get ready for it.. it's going to be a long year of this shit.
it is bad, nysports, said he would rather make the playoffs than win a championship and basically said championshops do not matter...
rather have 10 years of playoffs than 1 superbowl...
than its a home run...assuming no RB next year can do what Barkley does. Is this what your banking on?
Because that's what it feels like you guys are setting us up for.
And if someone posts a thread like that after every game...what of it?
You're not required to read those threads or participate unless you choose to.
I swear some of you think BBI is supposed to be some sort of "safe space" where only the topics YOU want to discuss are allowed.
It's really simple. If it's a topic you don't want to discuss or something you don't want to read, then don't open the thread.
And I also find it interesting Britt that you had no problem earlier this week starting your own thread about Darnold to suggest that he would have been a risky choice for the Giants @ 2...yet now that Darnold has actually played a game (and played well) somehow that's not a thread-worthy debate?
Interesting.
Darnold looked very poised and his arm looked great. Which I believe bodes well for him.
That being said we have to see what happens with our team. If our line can be decent I think we have a shot at one more playoff run before Eli retires. I think Eli has something left in the tank, if I am wrong and so is the new regime maybe its time to move on from the Giants old guard. There are a lot of angles to this decision and we have to let it all play out.
Also, just a closing thought. If Barkley is great for us he deserves our unwavering support as fans even if Darnold is great too. It does feel like nothing will ever be good enough for some, it isn't Saquon's fault he was a slam dunk draft pick and RBs don't get paid much on the whole.
What if Darnold and Barkley are both really good?
The 2018 NFL draft wasn't the Giants' last opportunity to find a QB... there will be other opportunities.
I thought Webb sucked against Cleveland - but I'm willing to watch more of him before I decide he's a wash.
I also thought Lauletta did some good things and wouldn't write him off.
Maybe let's just see how it plays out.
Because that's what it feels like you guys are setting us up for.
I think you should expect folks on here will do just that (not me).
My guess is they will be as productive as the Eli threads that were posted after last year's game when he had his ups (second Philly game) and his downs (Arizona game). You know what I mean...
Darnold looked very poised and his arm looked great. Which I believe bodes well for him.
That being said we have to see what happens with our team. If our line can be decent I think we have a shot at one more playoff run before Eli retires. I think Eli has something left in the tank, if I am wrong and so is the new regime maybe its time to move on from the Giants old guard. There are a lot of angles to this decision and we have to let it all play out.
Also, just a closing thought. If Barkley is great for us he deserves our unwavering support as fans even if Darnold is great too. It does feel like nothing will ever be good enough for some, it isn't Saquon's fault he was a slam dunk draft pick and RBs don't get paid much on the whole.
Again...It's pretty simple.
YOU don't have to have the debate EVERY week. Only people that open the thread and choose to participate will be part of the debate.
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I remember last year preseason game against the Pats, Webb came in and looked fantastic. He "pulled an Eli" and came back with very little time on the clock to beat them at the end of the game. Time will tell. I'm not giving up on him or Lauletta yet. Seems like most on here have.
i wonder if Jaguars fans watched that game and were pissed off that their stupid management passed on Webb and instead drafted that do-nothing, little value JAG, Fournette?
Wasn't one taken top 5 or so and one taken in the 3rd round. Typo?
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the sad thing is there seem to be some that aren't going to enjoy Barkley's career at all.
Darnold looked very poised and his arm looked great. Which I believe bodes well for him.
That being said we have to see what happens with our team. If our line can be decent I think we have a shot at one more playoff run before Eli retires. I think Eli has something left in the tank, if I am wrong and so is the new regime maybe its time to move on from the Giants old guard. There are a lot of angles to this decision and we have to let it all play out.
Also, just a closing thought. If Barkley is great for us he deserves our unwavering support as fans even if Darnold is great too. It does feel like nothing will ever be good enough for some, it isn't Saquon's fault he was a slam dunk draft pick and RBs don't get paid much on the whole.
Again...It's pretty simple.
YOU don't have to have the debate EVERY week. Only people that open the thread and choose to participate will be part of the debate.
Ok Mr. Sass Caps. I am entitled to think it is insanity to have the debate every week. If people can beat a dead horse about a topic why can't I also comment on the commentary? It is you that isn't applying the same logic to me that you are advocating.
I simply stated that it is insanity to have the debate every week. It is you that is taking it a step further and telling me I don't have to with an aggressive tone to your writing. I know full and well what I can and can't do thank you very much. Now before you say isn't it just as insane to comment on the commentary every week? Well, I have no plans to do that. So to recap we are both trying to be arbiters but you are doing it more aggressively and literally telling me what to do while also being a hypocrite.
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that is great next year?
than its a home run...assuming no RB next year can do what Barkley does. Is this what your banking on?
Hard to bank on a great QB even in this year's draft. Just bringing up another element that needs to be considered.
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could be a HOF.
But if Darnold is too, then it was the wrong pick, plain and simple.
Sure, we could trade up again another year, but we could've solved the QB problem this year, in a strong class, without having to give up future assets.
It's a QB league
If you pick a HoF RB - a HoF any position - that is a GREAT pick. It doesn't matter if other guys are great picks, if you pick a HoF, he's going to give us many years of excellent football to watch.
And it doesn't even take into account who the Giants next QB is!
Just a moronic statement on so many levels and yet there are quite a few posters spewing a variation of that bullshit.
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crackerjack465 : 4:44 pm : link : reply
could be a HOF.
But if Darnold is too, then it was the wrong pick, plain and simple.
Sure, we could trade up again another year, but we could've solved the QB problem this year, in a strong class, without having to give up future assets.
It's a QB league
If you pick a HoF RB - a HoF any position - that is a GREAT pick. It doesn't matter if other guys are great picks, if you pick a HoF, he's going to give us many years of excellent football to watch.
And it doesn't even take into account who the Giants next QB is!
Just a moronic statement on so many levels and yet there are quite a few posters spewing a variation of that bullshit.
Someone trying to make that argument is going to get their ass laughed out of the room.
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the sad thing is there seem to be some that aren't going to enjoy Barkley's career at all.
Darnold looked very poised and his arm looked great. Which I believe bodes well for him.
That being said we have to see what happens with our team. If our line can be decent I think we have a shot at one more playoff run before Eli retires. I think Eli has something left in the tank, if I am wrong and so is the new regime maybe its time to move on from the Giants old guard. There are a lot of angles to this decision and we have to let it all play out.
Also, just a closing thought. If Barkley is great for us he deserves our unwavering support as fans even if Darnold is great too. It does feel like nothing will ever be good enough for some, it isn't Saquon's fault he was a slam dunk draft pick and RBs don't get paid much on the whole.
Again...It's pretty simple.
YOU don't have to have the debate EVERY week. Only people that open the thread and choose to participate will be part of the debate.
Ok Mr. Sass Caps. I am entitled to think it is insanity to have the debate every week. If people can beat a dead horse about a topic why can't I also comment on the commentary? It is you that isn't applying the same logic to me that you are advocating.
I simply stated that it is insanity to have the debate every week. It is you that is taking it a step further and telling me I don't have to with an aggressive tone to your writing. I know full and well what I can and can't do thank you very much. Now before you say isn't it just as insane to comment on the commentary every week? Well, I have no plans to do that. So to recap we are both trying to be arbiters but you are doing it more aggressively and literally telling me what to do while also being a hypocrite.
Caps are a way to emphasize words. They are not meant to be aggressive or inflammatory. Sorry you viewed them that way and took my post so personally.
I'm simply reminding you (and others) that you don't have to open threads you don't like, nor do you have to participate. If you really think about it, suggesting that BBI shouldn't debate something just because YOU don't want to or at least you don't want to every week is pretty silly.
I’m not a Mets fan, I don’t watch hockey and I think FF is stupid. But if I opened Mets, Rangers or FF threads to tell those thread participants that they shouldn’t be debating something that I’m not interested in people would think I was a loon and probably tell me to f**k off.
There will be threads on BBI that don't interest you and debates you don't want to have. It makes no sense for you (or anyone else) to suggest that we shouldn't be having the debate, just because you don't want to have it.
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the sad thing is there seem to be some that aren't going to enjoy Barkley's career at all.
Darnold looked very poised and his arm looked great. Which I believe bodes well for him.
That being said we have to see what happens with our team. If our line can be decent I think we have a shot at one more playoff run before Eli retires. I think Eli has something left in the tank, if I am wrong and so is the new regime maybe its time to move on from the Giants old guard. There are a lot of angles to this decision and we have to let it all play out.
Also, just a closing thought. If Barkley is great for us he deserves our unwavering support as fans even if Darnold is great too. It does feel like nothing will ever be good enough for some, it isn't Saquon's fault he was a slam dunk draft pick and RBs don't get paid much on the whole.
Again...It's pretty simple.
YOU don't have to have the debate EVERY week. Only people that open the thread and choose to participate will be part of the debate.
Ok Mr. Sass Caps. I am entitled to think it is insanity to have the debate every week. If people can beat a dead horse about a topic why can't I also comment on the commentary? It is you that isn't applying the same logic to me that you are advocating.
I simply stated that it is insanity to have the debate every week. It is you that is taking it a step further and telling me I don't have to with an aggressive tone to your writing. I know full and well what I can and can't do thank you very much. Now before you say isn't it just as insane to comment on the commentary every week? Well, I have no plans to do that. So to recap we are both trying to be arbiters but you are doing it more aggressively and literally telling me what to do while also being a hypocrite.
Caps are a way to emphasize words. They are not meant to be aggressive or inflammatory. Sorry you viewed them that way and took my post so personally.
I'm simply reminding you (and others) that you don't have to open threads you don't like, nor do you have to participate. If you really think about it, suggesting that BBI shouldn't debate something just because YOU don't want to or at least you don't want to every week is pretty silly.
I’m not a Mets fan, I don’t watch hockey and I think FF is stupid. But if I opened Mets, Rangers or FF threads to tell those thread participants that they shouldn’t be debating something that I’m not interested in people would think I was a loon and probably tell me to f**k off.
There will be threads on BBI that don't interest you and debates you don't want to have. It makes no sense for you (or anyone else) to suggest that we shouldn't be having the debate, just because you don't want to have it.
At no point did I say they shouldn't do it. I said it was insanity and I believe that to be the case wholeheartedly. Per my point you were the only one telling people what to do. People do things that others think are crazy all the time it doesn't mean I think individuals should be limited in their freedom.
We all know the answer. The QB at all costs crowd want to be right. They want to say “I told you so”. They want to believe that they are the smartest guys in the room. In most cases, their parents basements. Guys like you will deny it all day long, but it is incredibly obvious that you’d rather see Darnold succeed and Barkley fail because it’s more gratifying for you to be right than it is for the Giants to succeed. You don’t appear to ebe enjoying any of this. You wanted a QB and it’s more important for your weird ass ego that we regret the move than it is to actually support the team on the field.
Don’t bother denying it. We all know you will claim it’s bullshit. But you and all the other QB at all costs guys are proving the point on a daily basis. Many times, multiple times a day. Good luck in your endeavor
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the sad thing is there seem to be some that aren't going to enjoy Barkley's career at all.
Darnold looked very poised and his arm looked great. Which I believe bodes well for him.
That being said we have to see what happens with our team. If our line can be decent I think we have a shot at one more playoff run before Eli retires. I think Eli has something left in the tank, if I am wrong and so is the new regime maybe its time to move on from the Giants old guard. There are a lot of angles to this decision and we have to let it all play out.
Also, just a closing thought. If Barkley is great for us he deserves our unwavering support as fans even if Darnold is great too. It does feel like nothing will ever be good enough for some, it isn't Saquon's fault he was a slam dunk draft pick and RBs don't get paid much on the whole.
Again...It's pretty simple.
YOU don't have to have the debate EVERY week. Only people that open the thread and choose to participate will be part of the debate.
Ok Mr. Sass Caps. I am entitled to think it is insanity to have the debate every week. If people can beat a dead horse about a topic why can't I also comment on the commentary? It is you that isn't applying the same logic to me that you are advocating.
I simply stated that it is insanity to have the debate every week. It is you that is taking it a step further and telling me I don't have to with an aggressive tone to your writing. I know full and well what I can and can't do thank you very much. Now before you say isn't it just as insane to comment on the commentary every week? Well, I have no plans to do that. So to recap we are both trying to be arbiters but you are doing it more aggressively and literally telling me what to do while also being a hypocrite.
Caps are a way to emphasize words. They are not meant to be aggressive or inflammatory. Sorry you viewed them that way and took my post so personally.
I'm simply reminding you (and others) that you don't have to open threads you don't like, nor do you have to participate. If you really think about it, suggesting that BBI shouldn't debate something just because YOU don't want to or at least you don't want to every week is pretty silly.
I’m not a Mets fan, I don’t watch hockey and I think FF is stupid. But if I opened Mets, Rangers or FF threads to tell those thread participants that they shouldn’t be debating something that I’m not interested in people would think I was a loon and probably tell me to f**k off.
There will be threads on BBI that don't interest you and debates you don't want to have. It makes no sense for you (or anyone else) to suggest that we shouldn't be having the debate, just because you don't want to have it.
At no point did I say they shouldn't do it. I said it was insanity and I believe that to be the case wholeheartedly. Per my point you were the only one telling people what to do. People do things that others think are crazy all the time it doesn't mean I think individuals should be limited in their freedom.
I actually let you off pretty easy. I didn't even mention the "insane" part of your original post where you said that "some...aren't going to enjoy Barkley's career at all" presumably because they're focused on one or more of the QBs the Giants passed on.
I was a "we need to draft a QB" guy (obviously) but I'll have no problem rooting for Barkley, because I'm a Giants fan of 50+ years and I root for ALL players wearing the uniform. I expect that every other Giants fan on this site will be rooting for Barkley to do well and for the Giants to win...regardless of which player they wanted in the draft.
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the sad thing is there seem to be some that aren't going to enjoy Barkley's career at all.
Darnold looked very poised and his arm looked great. Which I believe bodes well for him.
That being said we have to see what happens with our team. If our line can be decent I think we have a shot at one more playoff run before Eli retires. I think Eli has something left in the tank, if I am wrong and so is the new regime maybe its time to move on from the Giants old guard. There are a lot of angles to this decision and we have to let it all play out.
Also, just a closing thought. If Barkley is great for us he deserves our unwavering support as fans even if Darnold is great too. It does feel like nothing will ever be good enough for some, it isn't Saquon's fault he was a slam dunk draft pick and RBs don't get paid much on the whole.
Again...It's pretty simple.
YOU don't have to have the debate EVERY week. Only people that open the thread and choose to participate will be part of the debate.
Ok Mr. Sass Caps. I am entitled to think it is insanity to have the debate every week. If people can beat a dead horse about a topic why can't I also comment on the commentary? It is you that isn't applying the same logic to me that you are advocating.
I simply stated that it is insanity to have the debate every week. It is you that is taking it a step further and telling me I don't have to with an aggressive tone to your writing. I know full and well what I can and can't do thank you very much. Now before you say isn't it just as insane to comment on the commentary every week? Well, I have no plans to do that. So to recap we are both trying to be arbiters but you are doing it more aggressively and literally telling me what to do while also being a hypocrite.
Caps are a way to emphasize words. They are not meant to be aggressive or inflammatory. Sorry you viewed them that way and took my post so personally.
I'm simply reminding you (and others) that you don't have to open threads you don't like, nor do you have to participate. If you really think about it, suggesting that BBI shouldn't debate something just because YOU don't want to or at least you don't want to every week is pretty silly.
I’m not a Mets fan, I don’t watch hockey and I think FF is stupid. But if I opened Mets, Rangers or FF threads to tell those thread participants that they shouldn’t be debating something that I’m not interested in people would think I was a loon and probably tell me to f**k off.
There will be threads on BBI that don't interest you and debates you don't want to have. It makes no sense for you (or anyone else) to suggest that we shouldn't be having the debate, just because you don't want to have it.
At no point did I say they shouldn't do it. I said it was insanity and I believe that to be the case wholeheartedly. Per my point you were the only one telling people what to do. People do things that others think are crazy all the time it doesn't mean I think individuals should be limited in their freedom.
I actually let you off pretty easy. I didn't even mention the "insane" part of your original post where you said that "some...aren't going to enjoy Barkley's career at all" presumably because they're focused on one or more of the QBs the Giants passed on.
I was a "we need to draft a QB" guy (obviously) but I'll have no problem rooting for Barkley, because I'm a Giants fan of 50+ years and I root for ALL players wearing the uniform. I expect that every other Giants fan on this site will be rooting for Barkley to do well and for the Giants to win...regardless of which player they wanted in the draft.
Yeah. Bullshit.
We all know the answer. The QB at all costs crowd want to be right. They want to say “I told you so”. They want to believe that they are the smartest guys in the room. In most cases, their parents basements. Guys like you will deny it all day long, but it is incredibly obvious that you’d rather see Darnold succeed and Barkley fail because it’s more gratifying for you to be right than it is for the Giants to succeed. You don’t appear to ebe enjoying any of this. You wanted a QB and it’s more important for your weird ass ego that we regret the move than it is to actually support the team on the field.
Don’t bother denying it. We all know you will claim it’s bullshit. But you and all the other QB at all costs guys are proving the point on a daily basis. Many times, multiple times a day. Good luck in your endeavor
I don't know how old you are but that's a pretty immature post.
You open with a needless insult and then include a tired "living in your parents basement" burn and I'm supposed to take you seriously?
I don't for one minute think that if the Giants had decided to go with a QB @ 2, that the BBIers who wanted Barkley or some other non-QB would be rooting against the team because the Giants didn't take their guy. It's an idiotic narrative. We are ALL Giants fans and we ALL want them to succeed.
Posters will return to claim that they were right, there's no denying that. But nobody is rooting against them just so they can run to BBI and "win" a debate.
This is pretty much how I feel. I wanted a QB. It didn’t happen. So I guess I can either move on and let things play out and hope for the best or I can continually whine, bitch, moan and complain that the Giants certainly screwed up. I have no interest in being “right”. My only interest is this team that we have and moving forward. Looking back has usually never had positive results. Life’s too damn short. Enjoy what you have and not what you might have had. But that’s just me.
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the sad thing is there seem to be some that aren't going to enjoy Barkley's career at all.
Darnold looked very poised and his arm looked great. Which I believe bodes well for him.
That being said we have to see what happens with our team. If our line can be decent I think we have a shot at one more playoff run before Eli retires. I think Eli has something left in the tank, if I am wrong and so is the new regime maybe its time to move on from the Giants old guard. There are a lot of angles to this decision and we have to let it all play out.
Also, just a closing thought. If Barkley is great for us he deserves our unwavering support as fans even if Darnold is great too. It does feel like nothing will ever be good enough for some, it isn't Saquon's fault he was a slam dunk draft pick and RBs don't get paid much on the whole.
Again...It's pretty simple.
YOU don't have to have the debate EVERY week. Only people that open the thread and choose to participate will be part of the debate.
Ok Mr. Sass Caps. I am entitled to think it is insanity to have the debate every week. If people can beat a dead horse about a topic why can't I also comment on the commentary? It is you that isn't applying the same logic to me that you are advocating.
I simply stated that it is insanity to have the debate every week. It is you that is taking it a step further and telling me I don't have to with an aggressive tone to your writing. I know full and well what I can and can't do thank you very much. Now before you say isn't it just as insane to comment on the commentary every week? Well, I have no plans to do that. So to recap we are both trying to be arbiters but you are doing it more aggressively and literally telling me what to do while also being a hypocrite.
Caps are a way to emphasize words. They are not meant to be aggressive or inflammatory. Sorry you viewed them that way and took my post so personally.
I'm simply reminding you (and others) that you don't have to open threads you don't like, nor do you have to participate. If you really think about it, suggesting that BBI shouldn't debate something just because YOU don't want to or at least you don't want to every week is pretty silly.
I’m not a Mets fan, I don’t watch hockey and I think FF is stupid. But if I opened Mets, Rangers or FF threads to tell those thread participants that they shouldn’t be debating something that I’m not interested in people would think I was a loon and probably tell me to f**k off.
There will be threads on BBI that don't interest you and debates you don't want to have. It makes no sense for you (or anyone else) to suggest that we shouldn't be having the debate, just because you don't want to have it.
At no point did I say they shouldn't do it. I said it was insanity and I believe that to be the case wholeheartedly. Per my point you were the only one telling people what to do. People do things that others think are crazy all the time it doesn't mean I think individuals should be limited in their freedom.
I actually let you off pretty easy. I didn't even mention the "insane" part of your original post where you said that "some...aren't going to enjoy Barkley's career at all" presumably because they're focused on one or more of the QBs the Giants passed on.
I was a "we need to draft a QB" guy (obviously) but I'll have no problem rooting for Barkley, because I'm a Giants fan of 50+ years and I root for ALL players wearing the uniform. I expect that every other Giants fan on this site will be rooting for Barkley to do well and for the Giants to win...regardless of which player they wanted in the draft.
Yeah. Bullshit.
Another well-thought-out post.
Keep 'em coming!
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the sad thing is there seem to be some that aren't going to enjoy Barkley's career at all.
Darnold looked very poised and his arm looked great. Which I believe bodes well for him.
That being said we have to see what happens with our team. If our line can be decent I think we have a shot at one more playoff run before Eli retires. I think Eli has something left in the tank, if I am wrong and so is the new regime maybe its time to move on from the Giants old guard. There are a lot of angles to this decision and we have to let it all play out.
Also, just a closing thought. If Barkley is great for us he deserves our unwavering support as fans even if Darnold is great too. It does feel like nothing will ever be good enough for some, it isn't Saquon's fault he was a slam dunk draft pick and RBs don't get paid much on the whole.
Again...It's pretty simple.
YOU don't have to have the debate EVERY week. Only people that open the thread and choose to participate will be part of the debate.
Ok Mr. Sass Caps. I am entitled to think it is insanity to have the debate every week. If people can beat a dead horse about a topic why can't I also comment on the commentary? It is you that isn't applying the same logic to me that you are advocating.
I simply stated that it is insanity to have the debate every week. It is you that is taking it a step further and telling me I don't have to with an aggressive tone to your writing. I know full and well what I can and can't do thank you very much. Now before you say isn't it just as insane to comment on the commentary every week? Well, I have no plans to do that. So to recap we are both trying to be arbiters but you are doing it more aggressively and literally telling me what to do while also being a hypocrite.
Caps are a way to emphasize words. They are not meant to be aggressive or inflammatory. Sorry you viewed them that way and took my post so personally.
I'm simply reminding you (and others) that you don't have to open threads you don't like, nor do you have to participate. If you really think about it, suggesting that BBI shouldn't debate something just because YOU don't want to or at least you don't want to every week is pretty silly.
I’m not a Mets fan, I don’t watch hockey and I think FF is stupid. But if I opened Mets, Rangers or FF threads to tell those thread participants that they shouldn’t be debating something that I’m not interested in people would think I was a loon and probably tell me to f**k off.
There will be threads on BBI that don't interest you and debates you don't want to have. It makes no sense for you (or anyone else) to suggest that we shouldn't be having the debate, just because you don't want to have it.
At no point did I say they shouldn't do it. I said it was insanity and I believe that to be the case wholeheartedly. Per my point you were the only one telling people what to do. People do things that others think are crazy all the time it doesn't mean I think individuals should be limited in their freedom.
I actually let you off pretty easy. I didn't even mention the "insane" part of your original post where you said that "some...aren't going to enjoy Barkley's career at all" presumably because they're focused on one or more of the QBs the Giants passed on.
I was a "we need to draft a QB" guy (obviously) but I'll have no problem rooting for Barkley, because I'm a Giants fan of 50+ years and I root for ALL players wearing the uniform. I expect that every other Giants fan on this site will be rooting for Barkley to do well and for the Giants to win...regardless of which player they wanted in the draft.
Oh how magnanimous of you. What I said was "...seem to be some that aren't going to enjoy Barkley's career at all." That was based on people on another thread complaining after his first performance because one of his runs was a loss. I'm not extrapolating off of nothing. There are plenty on this site that in my opinion have been way too hard on Eli over his career it, again, isn't far fetched to think that could happen with Saquon.
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that is great next year?
Without trading picks or players? Then DG is forgiven but that also means he was wrong about Eli and we have a top 5 pick
No it doesn't mean that. You can draft great QBs outside of the top 5. I'm not talking about banking on a 6th rounder, you can have a mid to late first round pick be a great QB no questions asked. You know that but you want to bash DG.
Ohh I see so a mid to late first rounder that will be great. Must not have been rated high in college to be late first rounder as a qb. But if we do take one late first then do you not think people and media will question why not take Darnold or a qb this past draft
So a late first round qb next year that we will hope we strike gold and SB this year will be a better chance than taking Darnold this year and a running back in later rounds.
Or here me out, this could be crazy
Darnold this year and that late first rounder next year could be an impact linebacker or DE
Sounds better to me than a RB with the second pick and a later first round qb next year that we must hope and pray is sent from above...
Yeah Barkley this year and a QB next year in the mid to late portion of the first round where we'll be hopefully drafting means you get a generational RB and likely a good QB prospect. Rather than a bit of a better QB prospect this year and someone who doesn't come close to Barkley next year.
So you telling me that there will not be a back drafted from rounds 2 to 6 in the next 3 years that would not be as productive or better than SB...I can tell you the chances of that happening are much higher then we finding a qb who will be as franchise qb
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the sad thing is there seem to be some that aren't going to enjoy Barkley's career at all.
Darnold looked very poised and his arm looked great. Which I believe bodes well for him.
That being said we have to see what happens with our team. If our line can be decent I think we have a shot at one more playoff run before Eli retires. I think Eli has something left in the tank, if I am wrong and so is the new regime maybe its time to move on from the Giants old guard. There are a lot of angles to this decision and we have to let it all play out.
Also, just a closing thought. If Barkley is great for us he deserves our unwavering support as fans even if Darnold is great too. It does feel like nothing will ever be good enough for some, it isn't Saquon's fault he was a slam dunk draft pick and RBs don't get paid much on the whole.
Again...It's pretty simple.
YOU don't have to have the debate EVERY week. Only people that open the thread and choose to participate will be part of the debate.
Ok Mr. Sass Caps. I am entitled to think it is insanity to have the debate every week. If people can beat a dead horse about a topic why can't I also comment on the commentary? It is you that isn't applying the same logic to me that you are advocating.
I simply stated that it is insanity to have the debate every week. It is you that is taking it a step further and telling me I don't have to with an aggressive tone to your writing. I know full and well what I can and can't do thank you very much. Now before you say isn't it just as insane to comment on the commentary every week? Well, I have no plans to do that. So to recap we are both trying to be arbiters but you are doing it more aggressively and literally telling me what to do while also being a hypocrite.
Caps are a way to emphasize words. They are not meant to be aggressive or inflammatory. Sorry you viewed them that way and took my post so personally.
I'm simply reminding you (and others) that you don't have to open threads you don't like, nor do you have to participate. If you really think about it, suggesting that BBI shouldn't debate something just because YOU don't want to or at least you don't want to every week is pretty silly.
I’m not a Mets fan, I don’t watch hockey and I think FF is stupid. But if I opened Mets, Rangers or FF threads to tell those thread participants that they shouldn’t be debating something that I’m not interested in people would think I was a loon and probably tell me to f**k off.
There will be threads on BBI that don't interest you and debates you don't want to have. It makes no sense for you (or anyone else) to suggest that we shouldn't be having the debate, just because you don't want to have it.
At no point did I say they shouldn't do it. I said it was insanity and I believe that to be the case wholeheartedly. Per my point you were the only one telling people what to do. People do things that others think are crazy all the time it doesn't mean I think individuals should be limited in their freedom.
I actually let you off pretty easy. I didn't even mention the "insane" part of your original post where you said that "some...aren't going to enjoy Barkley's career at all" presumably because they're focused on one or more of the QBs the Giants passed on.
I was a "we need to draft a QB" guy (obviously) but I'll have no problem rooting for Barkley, because I'm a Giants fan of 50+ years and I root for ALL players wearing the uniform. I expect that every other Giants fan on this site will be rooting for Barkley to do well and for the Giants to win...regardless of which player they wanted in the draft.
Oh how magnanimous of you. What I said was "...seem to be some that aren't going to enjoy Barkley's career at all." That was based on people on another thread complaining after his first performance because one of his runs was a loss. I'm not extrapolating off of nothing. There are plenty on this site that in my opinion have been way too hard on Eli over his career it, again, isn't far fetched to think that could happen with Saquon.
Whatever. Have a good night! I've got to run.
By the way, back in Dayne's rookie year (before the login function was added) I used to occasionally post as "No Gain Dayne" so at least we agree on something.
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Darnold lovers please exit here - ( New Window )
OUCH!
im betting the giants will be regretting themselves after eli leaves for not grabbing one of the qbs from this draft like Darnold
good luck with that wish
With Shurmur being hired from Minnesota, maybe the thought process was:
1. Draft Barkley - best player on their board
2. Build up the o-line, running game with Eli - hope he has 2-3 years left
3. Draft Lauletta - a guy Shurmur previously met and is high on
4. QB cap flexibility allows for stronger roster
I hope what I outlined above is the case. Interestingly enough, the Vikings had this model but still threw crazy money at Cousins. Would love to know if Shurmur agreed would that move.
But, the fact remains - if NYG believes in the franchise QB model and Darnold has a 15 year career delivering NYJ a Super Bowl, of course the pick will be scrutinized. But as Britt mentioned, it’s a conversation for 5-7 years down the road.
Also, if Barkley lives up to expectations and is a key part to deep playoff runs & maybe even a SB title, the pick was correct. The player Barkley is cannot be dismissed in the debate.
Lastly, I firmly believe Davis Webb had absolutely nothing to do with the decision. I think Shurmur has clear hopes for Lauletta & I think we should all be rooting for him.
if it takes a meaningless site for that, then you never loved football in the first place
your taking this site too seriously
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if it takes a meaningless site for that, then you never loved football in the first place
your taking this site too seriously
You are taking my comment too seriously.
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