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Davis needs to start against the Lions.

JoeyBigBlue : 8/11/2018 6:53 pm
Would love to see him play with starters. Eli can play most of Week 3, and we know what we have in him. This organization really needs to see what it has in Webb. Playing with backups isn’t always the best judge of talent.
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RE: Not sure why Eli needs to play at all  
JPinstripes : 8/11/2018 9:21 pm : link
In comment 14036736 Jimmy Googs said:
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in preseason. He had some good throws but also didn't look exactly sharp on others (kind of normal Eli) but nevertheless its obvious he is our starting QB so what is the point?

We also don't need OBJ and Barkley playing at all. These are the goods and we do not need ANY injuries/issues otherwise this season is over before it starts.

Webb and Lauletta need to learn how to become QBs. Eli is not going to develop his overall game any further by getting one single more preseason snap...


Is there ever any thread that does not include a post from you?

I mean you really are repetitive with what you say again and again and again. You make BBI a bad place... Perhaps that is your intention.
RE: RE: Not sure why Eli needs to play at all  
chopperhatch : 8/11/2018 9:30 pm : link
In comment 14036789 JPinstripes said:
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In comment 14036736 Jimmy Googs said:


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in preseason. He had some good throws but also didn't look exactly sharp on others (kind of normal Eli) but nevertheless its obvious he is our starting QB so what is the point?

We also don't need OBJ and Barkley playing at all. These are the goods and we do not need ANY injuries/issues otherwise this season is over before it starts.

Webb and Lauletta need to learn how to become QBs. Eli is not going to develop his overall game any further by getting one single more preseason snap...



Is there ever any thread that does not include a post from you?

I mean you really are repetitive with what you say again and again and again. You make BBI a bad place... Perhaps that is your intention.


Congrats JP, you are now a "chucklehead"....whatever that means.
Eli needs to be ready for the season  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 8/11/2018 9:39 pm : link
the last two years he didn't get enough playtime in the preseason and he wasn't ready for the season. Its a team game and it is all about timing. You don't get that by watching others play. 15-year veteran or not.
RE: This is a new offense  
BigBlue4You09 : 8/11/2018 10:24 pm : link
In comment 14036679 Bill L said:
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I’d rather get ready for this season. I’d rather we do our best this season.

As opposed to playing for some hypothetical three years from now.


This +1
Why Webb  
Rick5 : 8/11/2018 10:38 pm : link
and not Lauletta? Webb is only a 2nd year QB and is learning a new O like the others. I don't think it's a given that he will be the #2 QB at the start of the season.
“This organization really needs to see what it has in Webb.“  
baadbill : 8/11/2018 10:47 pm : link
Gee, I guess Gettleman and Shurmur haven’t given any thought to how to go about evaluating the players this summer. Thanks for the suggestion.

PS: Webb was a third round draft pick who is a long shot. Sadly, all the hoopla about him being something other than that has possibly raised expectations to unfair levels.

From all reports, he is a guy with a canon of an arm, hard work ethic, and is doing everything right trying to learn his trade. He’s had one year riding the pines. In fairness, he was drafted as a project and fans and media have placed very unfair expectations upon him. He needs time to grow (as in 2 more seasons). He isn’t Baker Mayfield. But it’s unfair to expect him to be.
How exactly would this help evaluate Webb  
Mike in Boston : 8/11/2018 11:33 pm : link
If the problem were that he was getting killed behind a 2nd string line, I'd understand, but that wasn't the problem.

If the suggestion is the second string receivers are not running the right routes so all those passes that looked inaccurate were thrown to the right places but the receivers read things wrong and weren't where they should have been, the coaches already know that even if the fans don't.

And if the suggestion is that the first stringers will some how magically improve Webb's play, I don't see how.


Meanwhile, even if you were right that Eli has nothing to learn from a preseason game, every single person blocking for him is either new or in moved position. They also need to get a feel for what Eli does in the pocket when someone might really hit him. And of course, even if he knows the playbook and reads perfectly, he has to get timing down with new receivers and backs.
RE: RE: Are you insane, you want fans to revolt that Eli did not start  
JoeyBigBlue : 8/12/2018 1:15 am : link

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I don't subscribe to this, this pure stupidity...not the knee-jerk absent mindedness of the OP


If you don’t agree with me I could not care less. What I don’t like is your arrogant condescending tone. Instead of googling me, just click on my BBI profile and see that I’ve been on this site for 13 years. So again get off your fucking high horse, and relax dude.
Davis needs to stay off instagram  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/12/2018 2:15 am : link
and show up for work on time, that's all.
Mike in Boston  
NikkiMac : 8/12/2018 5:10 am : link
You got it right buddy good posts
Webb should start next game  
Jim in NH : 8/12/2018 7:12 am : link
Even pros get wound up too tight. Especially on the roller coaster Davis Webb has been on since mid-last season.

He needed a bad (very bad) game. It would be wrong to dump him over that.

I'm a believer in Lauletta, but I bet DW will not repeat his performance against the Browns if he starts against the Lions.
It is a bad idea  
mdthedream : 8/12/2018 7:36 am : link
because Eli needs to get ready for the season. Look we sucked last year and we where not ready to play. Eli plays 1st quarter than let Webb play than Louletta. It had nothing to do with who he played with.
For guys that wanted to draft a quarterback  
joeinpa : 8/12/2018 8:30 am : link
Guys like me. Isn t it reasonable for us to show some concern over how poorly Webb played.

I don t think that is an overreaction. I ve moved on, ready to root like hell for Barkley.

But that mean by participating in these discussions, still believing quarterback was the way to go, I m in an I told you so mentality

Obviously it s still a hot topic, if the numbers on the threads are any indication.

Some guys are in the, rooting harder to be right, than they are rooting for the Giants, but still stating your position after the draft does not automatically put one in that category.

What is annoying to me is the exasperation expressed by some whenever the topic comes up.
RE: RE: RE: Not sure why Eli needs to play at all  
Jimmy Googs : 8/12/2018 8:32 am : link
In comment 14036793 chopperhatch said:
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In comment 14036789 JPinstripes said:


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In comment 14036736 Jimmy Googs said:


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in preseason. He had some good throws but also didn't look exactly sharp on others (kind of normal Eli) but nevertheless its obvious he is our starting QB so what is the point?

We also don't need OBJ and Barkley playing at all. These are the goods and we do not need ANY injuries/issues otherwise this season is over before it starts.

Webb and Lauletta need to learn how to become QBs. Eli is not going to develop his overall game any further by getting one single more preseason snap...



Is there ever any thread that does not include a post from you?

I mean you really are repetitive with what you say again and again and again. You make BBI a bad place... Perhaps that is your intention.



Congrats JP, you are now a "chucklehead"....whatever that means.


Assumed you two have the same jackets...
Pretty funny watching the  
section125 : 8/12/2018 8:54 am : link
anti-Webb group pile on after a rough night. Excuse me but Eli didn't look so sharp either and speaking of guys that make high throws....

That said:
Eli needs his reps with the 1st team as many of said. New offense, new line, new WRs and RBs. Cannot cut Eli's reps.

I didn't see too many bad decisions from Webb, Bad throws, yep. People want to harp on a poor decision or two better not watch Eli too closely, he's good for 2 or 3 per game. Let's see what happens through pre-season. The game needs to slow down for young players and all the practice time in the world will not do that. The Lions scrimmage will help a lot. If he doesn't straighten out by preseason game four, we have a problem

New defense didn't look so sharp either, but suspect it will get better with real playing time (interior line looked good.)
RE: Not sure why Eli needs to play at all  
Jimmy Googs : 8/12/2018 2:16 pm : link
In comment 14036736 Jimmy Googs said:
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in preseason. He had some good throws but also didn't look exactly sharp on others (kind of normal Eli) but nevertheless its obvious he is our starting QB so what is the point?

We also don't need OBJ and Barkley playing at all. These are the goods and we do not need ANY injuries/issues otherwise this season is over before it starts.

Webb and Lauletta need to learn how to become QBs. Eli is not going to develop his overall game any further by getting one single more preseason snap...


Read Dep. This is called an objective post as to Eli.

read it, learn it, live it...
RE: RE: Not sure why Eli needs to play at all  
dep026 : 8/12/2018 2:20 pm : link
In comment 14037195 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 14036736 Jimmy Googs said:


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in preseason. He had some good throws but also didn't look exactly sharp on others (kind of normal Eli) but nevertheless its obvious he is our starting QB so what is the point?

We also don't need OBJ and Barkley playing at all. These are the goods and we do not need ANY injuries/issues otherwise this season is over before it starts.

Webb and Lauletta need to learn how to become QBs. Eli is not going to develop his overall game any further by getting one single more preseason snap...



Read Dep. This is called an objective post as to Eli.

read it, learn it, live it...


Again, such a bore. Like I said, you have no problem calling out posters but when they call you out.... you cry like a little baby.

You’re a child and you’re embarrassing yourself now.
It wasnt meant to hurt your feelings  
Jimmy Googs : 8/12/2018 2:25 pm : link
it was only to show you some clarity...
RE: It wasnt meant to hurt your feelings  
mrvax : 8/12/2018 3:10 pm : link
In comment 14037203 Jimmy Googs said:
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it was only to show you some clarity...


You want clarity? Davis Webb = Josh Allen.
There you go.
Where I go?  
Jimmy Googs : 8/12/2018 4:44 pm : link
.
this place gets worse and worse as the years go by  
Bockman : 8/12/2018 4:48 pm : link
good god.
RE: RE: Not sure why Eli needs to play at all  
chopperhatch : 8/12/2018 4:52 pm : link
In comment 14037195 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 14036736 Jimmy Googs said:


Quote:


in preseason. He had some good throws but also didn't look exactly sharp on others (kind of normal Eli) but nevertheless its obvious he is our starting QB so what is the point?

We also don't need OBJ and Barkley playing at all. These are the goods and we do not need ANY injuries/issues otherwise this season is over before it starts.

Webb and Lauletta need to learn how to become QBs. Eli is not going to develop his overall game any further by getting one single more preseason snap...



Read Dep. This is called an objective post as to Eli.

read it, learn it, live it...


It must be euphoric to go through life with such a density as you do. Seriously. I wish I didnt have to consider my thoughts before just regurgitating them.
Speaking of wanting to  
Jimmy Googs : 8/12/2018 5:00 pm : link
regurgitate...
RE: Where I go?  
mrvax : 8/12/2018 5:40 pm : link
In comment 14037313 Jimmy Googs said:
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¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I think we need to start asking serious questions  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/12/2018 7:22 pm : link
about whether Jimmy is ok.
Easy man  
Jimmy Googs : 8/12/2018 9:21 pm : link
you get too big for your britches on here at times...
RE: Easy man  
chopperhatch : 8/12/2018 11:03 pm : link
In comment 14037503 Jimmy Googs said:
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you get too big for your britches on here at times...


Wow.
Why not?  
elgoman : 8/13/2018 12:09 am : link
Start him.
Eli is in a new offense  
Torrag : 8/13/2018 6:56 am : link
He should and will start the game and continue his progression toward preparing for Jax week 1. End of story.
Fans need to understand  
JonC : 8/13/2018 8:07 am : link
the coaches see Webb every day. Exhibition games are part of the equation, but they'll have a good idea if he should be here in 2018 and beyond.

I cautioned the forum to not put too much hope into Webb until he shows he's on the ascent, and so far we're not seeing it.
I do believe Webb is worthy of a series with the #1's .....  
SGMen : 8/13/2018 9:49 am : link
I mean, why not? Just depends on how much work they want to give 37 year old Eli.
RE: I do believe Webb is worthy of a series with the #1's .....  
dep026 : 8/13/2018 9:51 am : link
In comment 14037743 SGMen said:
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I mean, why not? Just depends on how much work they want to give 37 year old Eli.


A series is fine. But Eli will start and play the first quarter IMO along with Barkley and Beckham. I can see those 3 sitting after that. And guys like EE, SS, and the OLine getting a series or 2 with Webb.
Giving Webb reps isn't a bad idea  
JonC : 8/13/2018 9:58 am : link
it's just much more vital to ensure Eli is up to speed for opening day.

In the bigger picture, Webb first needs to demonstrate a grasp on passing basics such as completing a vertical pass more than ten yards downfield. A few reps doesn't necessarily shed more light on his future prospects. fans assume it's their only or best opportunity, which isn't accurate.
Any snaps given to Webb are wasted  
Go Terps : 8/13/2018 11:16 am : link
He isn't a pro QB.
RE: Any snaps given to Webb are wasted  
Knee of Theismann : 8/13/2018 12:25 pm : link
In comment 14037918 Go Terps said:
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He isn't a pro QB.


Precisely. He doesn't look the part. He doesn't play the part. He just sucks the part (i.e. the dick).

That said, I'm fine with giving him another chance to prove himself, just not at the expense of any snaps that would normally be Eli's (or Lauletta's for that matter, who looks way more like a guy who could actually win games in the NFL with the right system/supporting cast).
RE: Any snaps given to Webb are wasted  
JoeyBigBlue : 8/13/2018 2:46 pm : link
In comment 14037918 Go Terps said:
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He isn't a pro QB.


You made this assumption before or after the Cleveland game?
RE: RE: Any snaps given to Webb are wasted  
Go Terps : 8/13/2018 2:57 pm : link
In comment 14038214 JoeyBigBlue said:
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In comment 14037918 Go Terps said:


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He isn't a pro QB.



You made this assumption before or after the Cleveland game?


I made the observation that he was a mechanical mess when we drafted him. I reached the conclusion he can't play when, over a year after we drafted him, he still doesn't know how to throw a football like a professional quarterback.
People are really burying their heads in the sand regarding webb  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/13/2018 4:22 pm : link
Which is weird, because nobody was especially high on him as a prospect, and he was selected by a GM who never drafted a decent backup QB.
It's really not a horrible idea  
AnnapolisMike : 8/13/2018 4:25 pm : link
Eli does not 'need' the preseason snaps and maybe experiencing the pressure of starting would be a good thing for Webb. The Giants probably have more to gain long term by starting Webb than risking anything happening to Eli. Eli will get his work in with the Jets.
RE: People are really burying their heads in the sand regarding webb  
Go Terps : 8/13/2018 4:35 pm : link
In comment 14038307 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Which is weird, because nobody was especially high on him as a prospect, and he was selected by a GM who never drafted a decent backup QB.


Narratives are being bent all over BBI all offseason to make the decision to pick Barkley over a QB look better. We've seen on BBI:

- Barkley obliterated all the QBs as a prospect (not popular opinion prior to the draft)
- Franchise quarterbacks can be found just as easily later in the draft (not popular opinion prior to the draft)
- Running backs are not that easy to find in the draft (not popular opinion prior to the draft)
- Eli hasn't shown signs of age (questionable)
- Davis Webb has the ability to inherit the position from Eli (extremely questionable)
- Lauletta is a really good prospect (questionable)
- Pat Shurmur is a QB whisperer (questionable)

The questionable statements are just that: questionable. I don't think it can be said with certainty one way or the other (though Eli's age and cap hit are indeed certainties).

But the other statements have been, IMO, examples of BBIers wanting to bend previous widely held beliefs to shine the Giants' offseason decisions in a more favorable light.
It's kind of scary how people twist what are accepted facts  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/13/2018 4:41 pm : link
just to argue on behalf of John Mara's demonstrably questionable decision making over the past five years or so.
Fans lose draft perspective  
JonC : 8/13/2018 4:43 pm : link
once a player is drafted by NYG. Actual value via draft and the sliding scale goes away the window.
needs to  
Phil in LA : 8/13/2018 4:49 pm : link
?
s/b  
JonC : 8/13/2018 4:54 pm : link
... sliding talent scale goes out the window
I understand that everyone is down on Webb due to last week  
JoeyBigBlue : 8/13/2018 5:16 pm : link
But the Giants have to try to develop this guy into a competent NFL QB. They’ve invested a 3rd round pick in him. People will say that’s not really an investment, but it is when you expect a solid NFL player out of a top 100 pick.

Also people aren’t realizing that Webb, for better or worse, is the backup to Eli. If Eli were to have an injury, Webb is the guy that would play. How can we have a backup with no NFL experience? Obviously the coaching staff trust him enough to not get a more experienced QB to backup Eli.

Statistically, he's got a 25% chance  
JonC : 8/13/2018 5:27 pm : link
and Lauletta is the new regime's pick. Plenty of change to come, they could be better off picking high in 2019 if Eli were to get injured. It doesn't all hinge on Webb.
RE: I understand that everyone is down on Webb due to last week  
Go Terps : 8/13/2018 6:00 pm : link
In comment 14038370 JoeyBigBlue said:
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But the Giants have to try to develop this guy into a competent NFL QB. They’ve invested a 3rd round pick in him. People will say that’s not really an investment, but it is when you expect a solid NFL player out of a top 100 pick.

Also people aren’t realizing that Webb, for better or worse, is the backup to Eli. If Eli were to have an injury, Webb is the guy that would play. How can we have a backup with no NFL experience? Obviously the coaching staff trust him enough to not get a more experienced QB to backup Eli.


Webb was picked by a regime that had a 0% success rate in drafting and developing QBs in over a decade. If your name was Manning between 2004-2017, the Giants are where QB careers went to die.

Watching Webb's college performance and his showing the other night after a year on an NFL team, I feel very strongly he shouldn't make the team. He isn't an NFL prospect. Another of the previous regime's final gifts to the roster.
Chopperhatch  
JoeyBigBlue : 8/17/2018 7:18 pm : link
Where’s my apology? Davis Webb is starting.
Where are you chopperhatch?  
JoeyBigBlue : 8/17/2018 8:39 pm : link
Nowhere to be found.
Webb  
mrvax : 8/17/2018 8:42 pm : link
had a much better outing this week.
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