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Davis needs to start against the Lions.

JoeyBigBlue : 8/11/2018 6:53 pm
Would love to see him play with starters. Eli can play most of Week 3, and we know what we have in him. This organization really needs to see what it has in Webb. Playing with backups isn’t always the best judge of talent.
Why?  
BestFeature : 8/11/2018 6:54 pm : link
So he could overthrow Shepard and Engram?
Give him some time with the starting O  
Rflairr : 8/11/2018 6:57 pm : link
Need to see what he is
Jesus  
chopperhatch : 8/11/2018 7:02 pm : link
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This is a new offense  
Bill L : 8/11/2018 7:04 pm : link
I’d rather get ready for this season. I’d rather we do our best this season.

As opposed to playing for some hypothetical three years from now.
His problem was  
Gman11 : 8/11/2018 7:10 pm : link
not with his teammates. He made bad decisions and a bunch of over throws.
I'm sorry but bad throws are bad throws  
NoGainDayne : 8/11/2018 7:12 pm : link
a lot of his throws there was separation and he airmailed it or threw it way too hard as close as they were to the line.

Young QBs play well with the 2nd and 3rd team all the time, that's in fact crazily how they get elevated on the depth chart!
RE: Jesus  
JoeyBigBlue : 8/11/2018 7:19 pm : link
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Why is this a bad suggestion? Please explain.
RE: RE: Jesus  
dep026 : 8/11/2018 7:21 pm : link
In comment 14036693 JoeyBigBlue said:
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Why is this a bad suggestion? Please explain.


1. Eli needs as many reps in a new offense.
2. Webb sucked because of his throws not who he was throwing too. You think going up against 1st team defenses will help?
3. He’s got to earn playing time. He didn’t.
I'd like to say something about Webb.  
robbieballs2003 : 8/11/2018 7:25 pm : link
Yes, he played like shit. However, I don't think he made many bad decisions. I thought he made a ton of good decision. There were 2 bad decisions he made that stood out to me. One, he tried forcing one ball into a receiver where 2 LBs were closing in. I cannot totally say that was a bad decision without seeing all the other routes. He may have just been slow through his progressions and the window closed.

The second one that stands out was the end of the half. That was just poor time management which a lot od young guys struggle with. It is unacceptable but a necessary learning experience.

To me, his biggest issue was just the high throws. I cannot wait to see how he responds this week against Detroit. I'm not as down on him as others.
RE: RE: RE: Jesus  
JoeyBigBlue : 8/11/2018 7:30 pm : link
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Why is this a bad suggestion? Please explain.



1. Eli needs as many reps in a new offense.
2. Webb sucked because of his throws not who he was throwing too. You think going up against 1st team defenses will help?
3. He’s got to earn playing time. He didn’t.


Eli is a 15 year veteran... you don’t think he knows the offense by know... LOL
RE: RE: RE: RE: Jesus  
robbieballs2003 : 8/11/2018 7:39 pm : link
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Why is this a bad suggestion? Please explain.



1. Eli needs as many reps in a new offense.
2. Webb sucked because of his throws not who he was throwing too. You think going up against 1st team defenses will help?
3. He’s got to earn playing time. He didn’t.



Eli is a 15 year veteran... you don’t think he knows the offense by know... LOL


Eli believes he needs more reps.

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Q: You have been through the new offense new coach thing in the preseason, do you want to play more so you are more comfortable or about the same as always?

A: Whatever coach thinks we need. I think you want to be out there and playing just to get a feel for him calling the plays and the game plan. I think once you’re playing against a new opponent, looks come up and different defenses that you’ve been seeing in training camp versus your defense where you want to get some reps at those things to make sure everybody is on the same page. I’m excited about getting out there and playing.
It is a brand new offense  
BigBlueHens : 8/11/2018 7:40 pm : link
Everyone is learning it from the beginning, Eli included...
He needs to play with the 2nd teamers  
Rudy5757 : 8/11/2018 7:50 pm : link
and get that right 1st. He was awful. By far one of the worst performances I have seen out of a QB in a long time. Its been said that he was an inaccurate passer and that showed big time. The last thing we want is for him to get our starting WRs killed on a high throw. He was consistently high on throws.

Now I can see getting him more reps but I dont want him near the starters. Lets face it. If Eli goes down we are screwed. It was a terrible performance, I would go so far as to say that Lauletta deserves more time than Webb. We should just dump Tanney now, there is no need for him, the kids need as much time as they can get. If Webb puts up another stinker it may be time to look at the waiver wire for a backup.
RE: It is a brand new offense  
JoeyBigBlue : 8/11/2018 7:51 pm : link
In comment 14036708 BigBlueHens said:
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Everyone is learning it from the beginning, Eli included...


Eli picked up the West Coast offense pretty quickly. He’s had all offseason to learn Shurmur’s offense. Missing 1 game won’t affect him in the slightest. Finding out what Webb is, should be the priority.
Webb's problem was between his ears  
Mike from Ohio : 8/11/2018 7:55 pm : link
He didn't make bad decisions (for the most part), but he was clearly nervous and pressing. His throws were not accurate. That will only ratchet up with the starters and the other team's starters.

I'd actually do the opposite. Play Eli into the second quarter, then give Lauletta a shot through the 3rd, and let Webb play the fourth. I'd want to see how he handles being pushed back in the rotation. Does he respond by focusing in and playing well, or does he get in a funk?

Goal number one is to get ready gir the season, which means focusing on Eli, not Webb.
RE: RE: RE: Jesus  
chopperhatch : 8/11/2018 7:56 pm : link
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Why is this a bad suggestion? Please explain.



1. Eli needs as many reps in a new offense.
2. Webb sucked because of his throws not who he was throwing too. You think going up against 1st team defenses will help?
3. He’s got to earn playing time. He didn’t.


4. it's a brand new offense
5. Its a brand new line that our STARTER has to get comfortable with
6. The offense sucked last year, Games 2 and 3 are when the STARTER gets the most burn with the other starters
7. That was only the first of 4 preseason games
8. Webb will most likely get a whole half with most of the 1s in game 4.
9. Its a dumb fucking idea.
RE: RE: It is a brand new offense  
chopperhatch : 8/11/2018 7:57 pm : link
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Everyone is learning it from the beginning, Eli included...



Eli picked up the West Coast offense pretty quickly. He’s had all offseason to learn Shurmur’s offense. Missing 1 game won’t affect him in the slightest. Finding out what Webb is, should be the priority.


I reiterate my original "Jesus..."
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Bill L : 8/11/2018 7:58 pm : link
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Everyone is learning it from the beginning, Eli included...



Eli picked up the West Coast offense pretty quickly. He’s had all offseason to learn Shurmur’s offense. Missing 1 game won’t affect him in the slightest. Finding out what Webb is, should be the priority.



I reiterate my original "Jesus..."
yeah, I mean it’s not like this season matters to anyone or anything.
Btw, i googled JoeyBigBlue...wasnt expecting this:  
chopperhatch : 8/11/2018 7:59 pm : link
RE: RE: RE: RE: Jesus  
JoeyBigBlue : 8/11/2018 8:01 pm : link

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4. it's a brand new offense
5. Its a brand new line that our STARTER has to get comfortable with
6. The offense sucked last year, Games 2 and 3 are when the STARTER gets the most burn with the other starters
7. That was only the first of 4 preseason games
8. Webb will most likely get a whole half with most of the 1s in game 4.
9. Its a dumb fucking idea.


I wasn’t aware that the starters played an entire game in the Preseason, that’s news to me. And what the fuck does last year’s offense have to do with this year?
Eli only got 2 series in the first game  
Steve in South Jersey : 8/11/2018 8:05 pm : link
Giants need to get Eli ready for the regular season and he has be be with the 1st string.

Davis will get plenty of reps in the scrimmages with the Lions and with the 2nd string in preseason games. He needs to show that he can play at least as well as Lauletta.

Whoever is the 2nd string QB (Webb or Lauletta) should be given reps in the 4th quarter real games that are out of reach.
I don't mind the idea..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/11/2018 8:06 pm : link
Eli likely will get the two series he had in week 1, a quarter in week 2, a half in week 3 and a series or no time at all in the final game

I know it is a new offense, but the staff will learn a heck of a lot more in practice this week with the Lions than they will get from the actual game.

I know a lot of posters act like that blasphemy, but it is the truth
RE: I don't mind the idea..  
JoeyBigBlue : 8/11/2018 8:16 pm : link
In comment 14036727 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Eli likely will get the two series he had in week 1, a quarter in week 2, a half in week 3 and a series or no time at all in the final game

I know it is a new offense, but the staff will learn a heck of a lot more in practice this week with the Lions than they will get from the actual game.

I know a lot of posters act like that blasphemy, but it is the truth


Thank you, maybe if Chopperhatch would get off his high horse he would see it as well.
Not sure why Eli needs to play at all  
Jimmy Googs : 8/11/2018 8:18 pm : link
in preseason. He had some good throws but also didn't look exactly sharp on others (kind of normal Eli) but nevertheless its obvious he is our starting QB so what is the point?

We also don't need OBJ and Barkley playing at all. These are the goods and we do not need ANY injuries/issues otherwise this season is over before it starts.

Webb and Lauletta need to learn how to become QBs. Eli is not going to develop his overall game any further by getting one single more preseason snap...
RE: Not sure why Eli needs to play at all  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/11/2018 8:21 pm : link
In comment 14036736 Jimmy Googs said:
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in preseason. He had some good throws but also didn't look exactly sharp on others (kind of normal Eli) but nevertheless its obvious he is our starting QB so what is the point?

We also don't need OBJ and Barkley playing at all. These are the goods and we do not need ANY injuries/issues otherwise this season is over before it starts.

Webb and Lauletta need to learn how to become QBs. Eli is not going to develop his overall game any further by getting one single more preseason snap...


Look at that!!

I stopped goosestepping long enough to give a slow clap....

...  
christian : 8/11/2018 8:21 pm : link
It's not uncommon for the 2nd QB to get some burn with the 1st unit in the 2nd and 3rd game.

I don't suspect it will help Webb -- if he can't get the ball in the vicinity of the target the 2007 Patriots wouldn't make a difference.

He needs to settle down and throw the ball to his teammates. If he can't do that he can't play in the NFL.
RE: RE: I don't mind the idea..  
Jimmy Googs : 8/11/2018 8:22 pm : link
In comment 14036735 JoeyBigBlue said:
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Eli likely will get the two series he had in week 1, a quarter in week 2, a half in week 3 and a series or no time at all in the final game

I know it is a new offense, but the staff will learn a heck of a lot more in practice this week with the Lions than they will get from the actual game.

I know a lot of posters act like that blasphemy, but it is the truth



Thank you, maybe if Chopperhatch would get off his high horse he would see it as well.


don't sweat the valueless chucklehead views...
You can't just give up on the guy because of one bad qtr in the  
PatersonPlank : 8/11/2018 8:24 pm : link
first pre-season game. The guy needs some chances to see if he can do it or not. The people wanting to drop him over this are rediculous. Remember he's looked good in practice. It could have just been nerves, he knows the whole city is watching him. If he sucks a few more times in pre-season then ok, but everyone has a bad game once and a while.
I have wishful thinking for Webb's development but:  
NYRiese : 8/11/2018 8:27 pm : link
The Giants have got to determine if Webb's performance was because of his talent and hyper activity versus his talent and otherwise natural composure.

If he is always anxious and hyper or if his accuracy and decision making are lacking they have to look elsewhere. It is way too soon to give up on him based on 2 quarters play with 2nd and 3rd stringers in the 1st preseason game.

He deserves several more chances and not ones where he has to redeem himself for a previous poor showing. The Giants still don't know what they have in him; give him some chances to find out.
Glad to see you jumped out of the history channel  
Jimmy Googs : 8/11/2018 8:31 pm : link
at least on this thread, and offer some actual constructive points versus just the "LOL" at others views.

Look forward to you turning the corner on here...
Giving him some time with 1st string is possible  
Steve in South Jersey : 8/11/2018 8:34 pm : link
but he won't start as the declared that the beginning of this thread. I think Webb should show a positive performance against the 2nd string before being awarded 1st string reps.
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chopperhatch : 8/11/2018 8:53 pm : link
In comment 14036735 JoeyBigBlue said:
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Eli likely will get the two series he had in week 1, a quarter in week 2, a half in week 3 and a series or no time at all in the final game

I know it is a new offense, but the staff will learn a heck of a lot more in practice this week with the Lions than they will get from the actual game.

I know a lot of posters act like that blasphemy, but it is the truth



Thank you, maybe if Chopperhatch would get off his high horse he would see it as well.


High horse? Regardless of what you may think, Eli definitely needs plenty of preseason reps with the 1st team with this new offense. Not only because some offseason time running it on the practice field in shells is not enough, but also because all accounts say this offense is really not like Mac's AT ALL. Yes both have WC concepts but if you watched the Vikings of last year vs what the Giants fid the previous 4, not much was similar except for maybe the route combos.

Look at the formations. Look at the fact that Eli is going to be under center a whole lot more. The way the backs are used. Different reads based on down, distance and situation. This is not Brady who has worked in the same O for basically 8 consecutive years!

If you had saif this for week 4, I would have probably agreed that the need to play Eli in that game at all is less important to giving Webb time with the 1s. No question. But saying that Eli doesnt need extensive time with the O and Odell after one stinking game and 2 series is just fucking asinine to me.
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chopperhatch : 8/11/2018 8:54 pm : link
In comment 14036741 Jimmy Googs said:
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Eli likely will get the two series he had in week 1, a quarter in week 2, a half in week 3 and a series or no time at all in the final game

I know it is a new offense, but the staff will learn a heck of a lot more in practice this week with the Lions than they will get from the actual game.

I know a lot of posters act like that blasphemy, but it is the truth



Thank you, maybe if Chopperhatch would get off his high horse he would see it as well.



don't sweat the valueless chucklehead views...



Right Googs....because you add so much.
It's more important for Eli to get as comfortable  
steve in ky : 8/11/2018 9:07 pm : link
as possible with the new offense and new teammates than it is for Davis to start.
Are you insane, you want fans to revolt that Eli did not start  
NYSports1 : 8/11/2018 9:13 pm : link
You trying to get Shurmur fired and DG? or are you thinking the Giants can draft high next year and take a FB to complete the offense
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chopperhatch : 8/11/2018 9:14 pm : link
In comment 14036780 steve in ky said:
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as possible with the new offense and new teammates than it is for Davis to start.



I dont even think Eli would tolerate being removed in favor of evaluatibg Webb. This might be his last year and I highly doubt he wants to go out with a season starting in the sludge due to not clicking with a unit.

Eli needs to go thru all the reads with Odell, Engram and Saquon being together as much as possible. That 2nd or 3rd read can be a game changing play with the guys he has to throw to.
RE: Are you insane, you want fans to revolt that Eli did not start  
chopperhatch : 8/11/2018 9:15 pm : link
In comment 14036781 NYSports1 said:
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You trying to get Shurmur fired and DG? or are you thinking the Giants can draft high next year and take a FB to complete the offense


I don't subscribe to this, this pure stupidity...not the knee-jerk absent mindedness of the OP
RE: RE: RE: I don't mind the idea..  
JoeyBigBlue : 8/11/2018 9:18 pm : link
In comment 14036773 chopperhatch said:
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High horse? Regardless of what you may think, Eli definitely needs plenty of preseason reps with the 1st team with this new offense. Not only because some offseason time running it on the practice field in shells is not enough, but also because all accounts say this offense is really not like Mac's AT ALL. Yes both have WC concepts but if you watched the Vikings of last year vs what the Giants fid the previous 4, not much was similar except for maybe the route combos.

Look at the formations. Look at the fact that Eli is going to be under center a whole lot more. The way the backs are used. Different reads based on down, distance and situation. This is not Brady who has worked in the same O for basically 8 consecutive years!

If you had saif this for week 4, I would have probably agreed that the need to play Eli in that game at all is less important to giving Webb time with the 1s. No question. But saying that Eli doesnt need extensive time with the O and Odell after one stinking game and 2 series is just fucking asinine to me.


Eli is a 15 year vet, playing a quarter and a half won’t get him anymore ready for the regular season. New offense or not. That’s where we disagree.
RE: Not sure why Eli needs to play at all  
JPinstripes : 8/11/2018 9:21 pm : link
In comment 14036736 Jimmy Googs said:
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in preseason. He had some good throws but also didn't look exactly sharp on others (kind of normal Eli) but nevertheless its obvious he is our starting QB so what is the point?

We also don't need OBJ and Barkley playing at all. These are the goods and we do not need ANY injuries/issues otherwise this season is over before it starts.

Webb and Lauletta need to learn how to become QBs. Eli is not going to develop his overall game any further by getting one single more preseason snap...


Is there ever any thread that does not include a post from you?

I mean you really are repetitive with what you say again and again and again. You make BBI a bad place... Perhaps that is your intention.
RE: RE: Not sure why Eli needs to play at all  
chopperhatch : 8/11/2018 9:30 pm : link
In comment 14036789 JPinstripes said:
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in preseason. He had some good throws but also didn't look exactly sharp on others (kind of normal Eli) but nevertheless its obvious he is our starting QB so what is the point?

We also don't need OBJ and Barkley playing at all. These are the goods and we do not need ANY injuries/issues otherwise this season is over before it starts.

Webb and Lauletta need to learn how to become QBs. Eli is not going to develop his overall game any further by getting one single more preseason snap...



Is there ever any thread that does not include a post from you?

I mean you really are repetitive with what you say again and again and again. You make BBI a bad place... Perhaps that is your intention.


Congrats JP, you are now a "chucklehead"....whatever that means.
Eli needs to be ready for the season  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 8/11/2018 9:39 pm : link
the last two years he didn't get enough playtime in the preseason and he wasn't ready for the season. Its a team game and it is all about timing. You don't get that by watching others play. 15-year veteran or not.
RE: This is a new offense  
BigBlue4You09 : 8/11/2018 10:24 pm : link
In comment 14036679 Bill L said:
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I’d rather get ready for this season. I’d rather we do our best this season.

As opposed to playing for some hypothetical three years from now.


This +1
Why Webb  
Rick5 : 8/11/2018 10:38 pm : link
and not Lauletta? Webb is only a 2nd year QB and is learning a new O like the others. I don't think it's a given that he will be the #2 QB at the start of the season.
“This organization really needs to see what it has in Webb.“  
baadbill : 8/11/2018 10:47 pm : link
Gee, I guess Gettleman and Shurmur haven’t given any thought to how to go about evaluating the players this summer. Thanks for the suggestion.

PS: Webb was a third round draft pick who is a long shot. Sadly, all the hoopla about him being something other than that has possibly raised expectations to unfair levels.

From all reports, he is a guy with a canon of an arm, hard work ethic, and is doing everything right trying to learn his trade. He’s had one year riding the pines. In fairness, he was drafted as a project and fans and media have placed very unfair expectations upon him. He needs time to grow (as in 2 more seasons). He isn’t Baker Mayfield. But it’s unfair to expect him to be.
How exactly would this help evaluate Webb  
Mike in Boston : 8/11/2018 11:33 pm : link
If the problem were that he was getting killed behind a 2nd string line, I'd understand, but that wasn't the problem.

If the suggestion is the second string receivers are not running the right routes so all those passes that looked inaccurate were thrown to the right places but the receivers read things wrong and weren't where they should have been, the coaches already know that even if the fans don't.

And if the suggestion is that the first stringers will some how magically improve Webb's play, I don't see how.


Meanwhile, even if you were right that Eli has nothing to learn from a preseason game, every single person blocking for him is either new or in moved position. They also need to get a feel for what Eli does in the pocket when someone might really hit him. And of course, even if he knows the playbook and reads perfectly, he has to get timing down with new receivers and backs.
RE: RE: Are you insane, you want fans to revolt that Eli did not start  
JoeyBigBlue : 8/12/2018 1:15 am : link

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I don't subscribe to this, this pure stupidity...not the knee-jerk absent mindedness of the OP


If you don’t agree with me I could not care less. What I don’t like is your arrogant condescending tone. Instead of googling me, just click on my BBI profile and see that I’ve been on this site for 13 years. So again get off your fucking high horse, and relax dude.
Davis needs to stay off instagram  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/12/2018 2:15 am : link
and show up for work on time, that's all.
Mike in Boston  
NikkiMac : 8/12/2018 5:10 am : link
You got it right buddy good posts
Webb should start next game  
Jim in NH : 8/12/2018 7:12 am : link
Even pros get wound up too tight. Especially on the roller coaster Davis Webb has been on since mid-last season.

He needed a bad (very bad) game. It would be wrong to dump him over that.

I'm a believer in Lauletta, but I bet DW will not repeat his performance against the Browns if he starts against the Lions.
It is a bad idea  
mdthedream : 8/12/2018 7:36 am : link
because Eli needs to get ready for the season. Look we sucked last year and we where not ready to play. Eli plays 1st quarter than let Webb play than Louletta. It had nothing to do with who he played with.
For guys that wanted to draft a quarterback  
joeinpa : 8/12/2018 8:30 am : link
Guys like me. Isn t it reasonable for us to show some concern over how poorly Webb played.

I don t think that is an overreaction. I ve moved on, ready to root like hell for Barkley.

But that mean by participating in these discussions, still believing quarterback was the way to go, I m in an I told you so mentality

Obviously it s still a hot topic, if the numbers on the threads are any indication.

Some guys are in the, rooting harder to be right, than they are rooting for the Giants, but still stating your position after the draft does not automatically put one in that category.

What is annoying to me is the exasperation expressed by some whenever the topic comes up.
RE: RE: RE: Not sure why Eli needs to play at all  
Jimmy Googs : 8/12/2018 8:32 am : link
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in preseason. He had some good throws but also didn't look exactly sharp on others (kind of normal Eli) but nevertheless its obvious he is our starting QB so what is the point?

We also don't need OBJ and Barkley playing at all. These are the goods and we do not need ANY injuries/issues otherwise this season is over before it starts.

Webb and Lauletta need to learn how to become QBs. Eli is not going to develop his overall game any further by getting one single more preseason snap...



Is there ever any thread that does not include a post from you?

I mean you really are repetitive with what you say again and again and again. You make BBI a bad place... Perhaps that is your intention.



Congrats JP, you are now a "chucklehead"....whatever that means.


Assumed you two have the same jackets...
Pretty funny watching the  
section125 : 8/12/2018 8:54 am : link
anti-Webb group pile on after a rough night. Excuse me but Eli didn't look so sharp either and speaking of guys that make high throws....

That said:
Eli needs his reps with the 1st team as many of said. New offense, new line, new WRs and RBs. Cannot cut Eli's reps.

I didn't see too many bad decisions from Webb, Bad throws, yep. People want to harp on a poor decision or two better not watch Eli too closely, he's good for 2 or 3 per game. Let's see what happens through pre-season. The game needs to slow down for young players and all the practice time in the world will not do that. The Lions scrimmage will help a lot. If he doesn't straighten out by preseason game four, we have a problem

New defense didn't look so sharp either, but suspect it will get better with real playing time (interior line looked good.)
RE: Not sure why Eli needs to play at all  
Jimmy Googs : 8/12/2018 2:16 pm : link
In comment 14036736 Jimmy Googs said:
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in preseason. He had some good throws but also didn't look exactly sharp on others (kind of normal Eli) but nevertheless its obvious he is our starting QB so what is the point?

We also don't need OBJ and Barkley playing at all. These are the goods and we do not need ANY injuries/issues otherwise this season is over before it starts.

Webb and Lauletta need to learn how to become QBs. Eli is not going to develop his overall game any further by getting one single more preseason snap...


Read Dep. This is called an objective post as to Eli.

read it, learn it, live it...
RE: RE: Not sure why Eli needs to play at all  
dep026 : 8/12/2018 2:20 pm : link
In comment 14037195 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 14036736 Jimmy Googs said:


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in preseason. He had some good throws but also didn't look exactly sharp on others (kind of normal Eli) but nevertheless its obvious he is our starting QB so what is the point?

We also don't need OBJ and Barkley playing at all. These are the goods and we do not need ANY injuries/issues otherwise this season is over before it starts.

Webb and Lauletta need to learn how to become QBs. Eli is not going to develop his overall game any further by getting one single more preseason snap...



Read Dep. This is called an objective post as to Eli.

read it, learn it, live it...


Again, such a bore. Like I said, you have no problem calling out posters but when they call you out.... you cry like a little baby.

You’re a child and you’re embarrassing yourself now.
It wasnt meant to hurt your feelings  
Jimmy Googs : 8/12/2018 2:25 pm : link
it was only to show you some clarity...
RE: It wasnt meant to hurt your feelings  
mrvax : 8/12/2018 3:10 pm : link
In comment 14037203 Jimmy Googs said:
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it was only to show you some clarity...


You want clarity? Davis Webb = Josh Allen.
There you go.
Where I go?  
Jimmy Googs : 8/12/2018 4:44 pm : link
.
this place gets worse and worse as the years go by  
Bockman : 8/12/2018 4:48 pm : link
good god.
RE: RE: Not sure why Eli needs to play at all  
chopperhatch : 8/12/2018 4:52 pm : link
In comment 14037195 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 14036736 Jimmy Googs said:


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in preseason. He had some good throws but also didn't look exactly sharp on others (kind of normal Eli) but nevertheless its obvious he is our starting QB so what is the point?

We also don't need OBJ and Barkley playing at all. These are the goods and we do not need ANY injuries/issues otherwise this season is over before it starts.

Webb and Lauletta need to learn how to become QBs. Eli is not going to develop his overall game any further by getting one single more preseason snap...



Read Dep. This is called an objective post as to Eli.

read it, learn it, live it...


It must be euphoric to go through life with such a density as you do. Seriously. I wish I didnt have to consider my thoughts before just regurgitating them.
Speaking of wanting to  
Jimmy Googs : 8/12/2018 5:00 pm : link
regurgitate...
RE: Where I go?  
mrvax : 8/12/2018 5:40 pm : link
In comment 14037313 Jimmy Googs said:
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¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I think we need to start asking serious questions  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/12/2018 7:22 pm : link
about whether Jimmy is ok.
Easy man  
Jimmy Googs : 8/12/2018 9:21 pm : link
you get too big for your britches on here at times...
RE: Easy man  
chopperhatch : 8/12/2018 11:03 pm : link
In comment 14037503 Jimmy Googs said:
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you get too big for your britches on here at times...


Wow.
Why not?  
elgoman : 8/13/2018 12:09 am : link
Start him.
Eli is in a new offense  
Torrag : 8/13/2018 6:56 am : link
He should and will start the game and continue his progression toward preparing for Jax week 1. End of story.
Fans need to understand  
JonC : 8/13/2018 8:07 am : link
the coaches see Webb every day. Exhibition games are part of the equation, but they'll have a good idea if he should be here in 2018 and beyond.

I cautioned the forum to not put too much hope into Webb until he shows he's on the ascent, and so far we're not seeing it.
I do believe Webb is worthy of a series with the #1's .....  
SGMen : 8/13/2018 9:49 am : link
I mean, why not? Just depends on how much work they want to give 37 year old Eli.
RE: I do believe Webb is worthy of a series with the #1's .....  
dep026 : 8/13/2018 9:51 am : link
In comment 14037743 SGMen said:
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I mean, why not? Just depends on how much work they want to give 37 year old Eli.


A series is fine. But Eli will start and play the first quarter IMO along with Barkley and Beckham. I can see those 3 sitting after that. And guys like EE, SS, and the OLine getting a series or 2 with Webb.
Giving Webb reps isn't a bad idea  
JonC : 8/13/2018 9:58 am : link
it's just much more vital to ensure Eli is up to speed for opening day.

In the bigger picture, Webb first needs to demonstrate a grasp on passing basics such as completing a vertical pass more than ten yards downfield. A few reps doesn't necessarily shed more light on his future prospects. fans assume it's their only or best opportunity, which isn't accurate.
Any snaps given to Webb are wasted  
Go Terps : 8/13/2018 11:16 am : link
He isn't a pro QB.
RE: Any snaps given to Webb are wasted  
Knee of Theismann : 8/13/2018 12:25 pm : link
In comment 14037918 Go Terps said:
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He isn't a pro QB.


Precisely. He doesn't look the part. He doesn't play the part. He just sucks the part (i.e. the dick).

That said, I'm fine with giving him another chance to prove himself, just not at the expense of any snaps that would normally be Eli's (or Lauletta's for that matter, who looks way more like a guy who could actually win games in the NFL with the right system/supporting cast).
RE: Any snaps given to Webb are wasted  
JoeyBigBlue : 8/13/2018 2:46 pm : link
In comment 14037918 Go Terps said:
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He isn't a pro QB.


You made this assumption before or after the Cleveland game?
RE: RE: Any snaps given to Webb are wasted  
Go Terps : 8/13/2018 2:57 pm : link
In comment 14038214 JoeyBigBlue said:
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In comment 14037918 Go Terps said:


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He isn't a pro QB.



You made this assumption before or after the Cleveland game?


I made the observation that he was a mechanical mess when we drafted him. I reached the conclusion he can't play when, over a year after we drafted him, he still doesn't know how to throw a football like a professional quarterback.
People are really burying their heads in the sand regarding webb  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/13/2018 4:22 pm : link
Which is weird, because nobody was especially high on him as a prospect, and he was selected by a GM who never drafted a decent backup QB.
It's really not a horrible idea  
AnnapolisMike : 8/13/2018 4:25 pm : link
Eli does not 'need' the preseason snaps and maybe experiencing the pressure of starting would be a good thing for Webb. The Giants probably have more to gain long term by starting Webb than risking anything happening to Eli. Eli will get his work in with the Jets.
RE: People are really burying their heads in the sand regarding webb  
Go Terps : 8/13/2018 4:35 pm : link
In comment 14038307 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Which is weird, because nobody was especially high on him as a prospect, and he was selected by a GM who never drafted a decent backup QB.


Narratives are being bent all over BBI all offseason to make the decision to pick Barkley over a QB look better. We've seen on BBI:

- Barkley obliterated all the QBs as a prospect (not popular opinion prior to the draft)
- Franchise quarterbacks can be found just as easily later in the draft (not popular opinion prior to the draft)
- Running backs are not that easy to find in the draft (not popular opinion prior to the draft)
- Eli hasn't shown signs of age (questionable)
- Davis Webb has the ability to inherit the position from Eli (extremely questionable)
- Lauletta is a really good prospect (questionable)
- Pat Shurmur is a QB whisperer (questionable)

The questionable statements are just that: questionable. I don't think it can be said with certainty one way or the other (though Eli's age and cap hit are indeed certainties).

But the other statements have been, IMO, examples of BBIers wanting to bend previous widely held beliefs to shine the Giants' offseason decisions in a more favorable light.
It's kind of scary how people twist what are accepted facts  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/13/2018 4:41 pm : link
just to argue on behalf of John Mara's demonstrably questionable decision making over the past five years or so.
Fans lose draft perspective  
JonC : 8/13/2018 4:43 pm : link
once a player is drafted by NYG. Actual value via draft and the sliding scale goes away the window.
needs to  
Phil in LA : 8/13/2018 4:49 pm : link
?
s/b  
JonC : 8/13/2018 4:54 pm : link
... sliding talent scale goes out the window
I understand that everyone is down on Webb due to last week  
JoeyBigBlue : 8/13/2018 5:16 pm : link
But the Giants have to try to develop this guy into a competent NFL QB. They’ve invested a 3rd round pick in him. People will say that’s not really an investment, but it is when you expect a solid NFL player out of a top 100 pick.

Also people aren’t realizing that Webb, for better or worse, is the backup to Eli. If Eli were to have an injury, Webb is the guy that would play. How can we have a backup with no NFL experience? Obviously the coaching staff trust him enough to not get a more experienced QB to backup Eli.

Statistically, he's got a 25% chance  
JonC : 8/13/2018 5:27 pm : link
and Lauletta is the new regime's pick. Plenty of change to come, they could be better off picking high in 2019 if Eli were to get injured. It doesn't all hinge on Webb.
RE: I understand that everyone is down on Webb due to last week  
Go Terps : 8/13/2018 6:00 pm : link
In comment 14038370 JoeyBigBlue said:
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But the Giants have to try to develop this guy into a competent NFL QB. They’ve invested a 3rd round pick in him. People will say that’s not really an investment, but it is when you expect a solid NFL player out of a top 100 pick.

Also people aren’t realizing that Webb, for better or worse, is the backup to Eli. If Eli were to have an injury, Webb is the guy that would play. How can we have a backup with no NFL experience? Obviously the coaching staff trust him enough to not get a more experienced QB to backup Eli.


Webb was picked by a regime that had a 0% success rate in drafting and developing QBs in over a decade. If your name was Manning between 2004-2017, the Giants are where QB careers went to die.

Watching Webb's college performance and his showing the other night after a year on an NFL team, I feel very strongly he shouldn't make the team. He isn't an NFL prospect. Another of the previous regime's final gifts to the roster.
Chopperhatch  
JoeyBigBlue : 8/17/2018 7:18 pm : link
Where’s my apology? Davis Webb is starting.
Where are you chopperhatch?  
JoeyBigBlue : 8/17/2018 8:39 pm : link
Nowhere to be found.
Webb  
mrvax : 8/17/2018 8:42 pm : link
had a much better outing this week.
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