Would love to see him play with starters. Eli can play most of Week 3, and we know what we have in him. This organization really needs to see what it has in Webb. Playing with backups isn’t always the best judge of talent.
1. Eli needs as many reps in a new offense.
2. Webb sucked because of his throws not who he was throwing too. You think going up against 1st team defenses will help?
3. He’s got to earn playing time. He didn’t.
Yes, he played like shit. However, I don't think he made many bad decisions. I thought he made a ton of good decision. There were 2 bad decisions he made that stood out to me. One, he tried forcing one ball into a receiver where 2 LBs were closing in. I cannot totally say that was a bad decision without seeing all the other routes. He may have just been slow through his progressions and the window closed.
The second one that stands out was the end of the half. That was just poor time management which a lot od young guys struggle with. It is unacceptable but a necessary learning experience.
To me, his biggest issue was just the high throws. I cannot wait to see how he responds this week against Detroit. I'm not as down on him as others.
1. Eli needs as many reps in a new offense.
2. Webb sucked because of his throws not who he was throwing too. You think going up against 1st team defenses will help?
3. He’s got to earn playing time. He didn’t.
Eli is a 15 year veteran... you don’t think he knows the offense by know... LOL
1. Eli needs as many reps in a new offense.
2. Webb sucked because of his throws not who he was throwing too. You think going up against 1st team defenses will help?
3. He’s got to earn playing time. He didn’t.
Eli is a 15 year veteran... you don’t think he knows the offense by know... LOL
Eli believes he needs more reps.
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Q: You have been through the new offense new coach thing in the preseason, do you want to play more so you are more comfortable or about the same as always?
A: Whatever coach thinks we need. I think you want to be out there and playing just to get a feel for him calling the plays and the game plan. I think once you’re playing against a new opponent, looks come up and different defenses that you’ve been seeing in training camp versus your defense where you want to get some reps at those things to make sure everybody is on the same page. I’m excited about getting out there and playing.
and get that right 1st. He was awful. By far one of the worst performances I have seen out of a QB in a long time. Its been said that he was an inaccurate passer and that showed big time. The last thing we want is for him to get our starting WRs killed on a high throw. He was consistently high on throws.
Now I can see getting him more reps but I dont want him near the starters. Lets face it. If Eli goes down we are screwed. It was a terrible performance, I would go so far as to say that Lauletta deserves more time than Webb. We should just dump Tanney now, there is no need for him, the kids need as much time as they can get. If Webb puts up another stinker it may be time to look at the waiver wire for a backup.
Everyone is learning it from the beginning, Eli included...
Eli picked up the West Coast offense pretty quickly. He’s had all offseason to learn Shurmur’s offense. Missing 1 game won’t affect him in the slightest. Finding out what Webb is, should be the priority.
He didn't make bad decisions (for the most part), but he was clearly nervous and pressing. His throws were not accurate. That will only ratchet up with the starters and the other team's starters.
I'd actually do the opposite. Play Eli into the second quarter, then give Lauletta a shot through the 3rd, and let Webb play the fourth. I'd want to see how he handles being pushed back in the rotation. Does he respond by focusing in and playing well, or does he get in a funk?
Goal number one is to get ready gir the season, which means focusing on Eli, not Webb.
1. Eli needs as many reps in a new offense.
2. Webb sucked because of his throws not who he was throwing too. You think going up against 1st team defenses will help?
3. He’s got to earn playing time. He didn’t.
4. it's a brand new offense
5. Its a brand new line that our STARTER has to get comfortable with
6. The offense sucked last year, Games 2 and 3 are when the STARTER gets the most burn with the other starters
7. That was only the first of 4 preseason games
8. Webb will most likely get a whole half with most of the 1s in game 4.
9. Its a dumb fucking idea.
Everyone is learning it from the beginning, Eli included...
Eli picked up the West Coast offense pretty quickly. He’s had all offseason to learn Shurmur’s offense. Missing 1 game won’t affect him in the slightest. Finding out what Webb is, should be the priority.
Everyone is learning it from the beginning, Eli included...
Eli picked up the West Coast offense pretty quickly. He’s had all offseason to learn Shurmur’s offense. Missing 1 game won’t affect him in the slightest. Finding out what Webb is, should be the priority.
I reiterate my original "Jesus..."
yeah, I mean it’s not like this season matters to anyone or anything.
Btw, i googled JoeyBigBlue...wasnt expecting this: Â
4. it's a brand new offense
5. Its a brand new line that our STARTER has to get comfortable with
6. The offense sucked last year, Games 2 and 3 are when the STARTER gets the most burn with the other starters
7. That was only the first of 4 preseason games
8. Webb will most likely get a whole half with most of the 1s in game 4.
9. Its a dumb fucking idea.
I wasn’t aware that the starters played an entire game in the Preseason, that’s news to me. And what the fuck does last year’s offense have to do with this year?
Giants need to get Eli ready for the regular season and he has be be with the 1st string.
Davis will get plenty of reps in the scrimmages with the Lions and with the 2nd string in preseason games. He needs to show that he can play at least as well as Lauletta.
Whoever is the 2nd string QB (Webb or Lauletta) should be given reps in the 4th quarter real games that are out of reach.
Eli likely will get the two series he had in week 1, a quarter in week 2, a half in week 3 and a series or no time at all in the final game
I know it is a new offense, but the staff will learn a heck of a lot more in practice this week with the Lions than they will get from the actual game.
I know a lot of posters act like that blasphemy, but it is the truth
Eli likely will get the two series he had in week 1, a quarter in week 2, a half in week 3 and a series or no time at all in the final game
I know it is a new offense, but the staff will learn a heck of a lot more in practice this week with the Lions than they will get from the actual game.
I know a lot of posters act like that blasphemy, but it is the truth
Thank you, maybe if Chopperhatch would get off his high horse he would see it as well.
in preseason. He had some good throws but also didn't look exactly sharp on others (kind of normal Eli) but nevertheless its obvious he is our starting QB so what is the point?
We also don't need OBJ and Barkley playing at all. These are the goods and we do not need ANY injuries/issues otherwise this season is over before it starts.
Webb and Lauletta need to learn how to become QBs. Eli is not going to develop his overall game any further by getting one single more preseason snap...
in preseason. He had some good throws but also didn't look exactly sharp on others (kind of normal Eli) but nevertheless its obvious he is our starting QB so what is the point?
We also don't need OBJ and Barkley playing at all. These are the goods and we do not need ANY injuries/issues otherwise this season is over before it starts.
Webb and Lauletta need to learn how to become QBs. Eli is not going to develop his overall game any further by getting one single more preseason snap...
Look at that!!
I stopped goosestepping long enough to give a slow clap....
Eli likely will get the two series he had in week 1, a quarter in week 2, a half in week 3 and a series or no time at all in the final game
I know it is a new offense, but the staff will learn a heck of a lot more in practice this week with the Lions than they will get from the actual game.
I know a lot of posters act like that blasphemy, but it is the truth
Thank you, maybe if Chopperhatch would get off his high horse he would see it as well.
don't sweat the valueless chucklehead views...
You can't just give up on the guy because of one bad qtr in the Â
first pre-season game. The guy needs some chances to see if he can do it or not. The people wanting to drop him over this are rediculous. Remember he's looked good in practice. It could have just been nerves, he knows the whole city is watching him. If he sucks a few more times in pre-season then ok, but everyone has a bad game once and a while.
I have wishful thinking for Webb's development but: Â
The Giants have got to determine if Webb's performance was because of his talent and hyper activity versus his talent and otherwise natural composure.
If he is always anxious and hyper or if his accuracy and decision making are lacking they have to look elsewhere. It is way too soon to give up on him based on 2 quarters play with 2nd and 3rd stringers in the 1st preseason game.
He deserves several more chances and not ones where he has to redeem himself for a previous poor showing. The Giants still don't know what they have in him; give him some chances to find out.
Glad to see you jumped out of the history channel Â
but he won't start as the declared that the beginning of this thread. I think Webb should show a positive performance against the 2nd string before being awarded 1st string reps.
Eli likely will get the two series he had in week 1, a quarter in week 2, a half in week 3 and a series or no time at all in the final game
I know it is a new offense, but the staff will learn a heck of a lot more in practice this week with the Lions than they will get from the actual game.
I know a lot of posters act like that blasphemy, but it is the truth
Thank you, maybe if Chopperhatch would get off his high horse he would see it as well.
High horse? Regardless of what you may think, Eli definitely needs plenty of preseason reps with the 1st team with this new offense. Not only because some offseason time running it on the practice field in shells is not enough, but also because all accounts say this offense is really not like Mac's AT ALL. Yes both have WC concepts but if you watched the Vikings of last year vs what the Giants fid the previous 4, not much was similar except for maybe the route combos.
Look at the formations. Look at the fact that Eli is going to be under center a whole lot more. The way the backs are used. Different reads based on down, distance and situation. This is not Brady who has worked in the same O for basically 8 consecutive years!
If you had saif this for week 4, I would have probably agreed that the need to play Eli in that game at all is less important to giving Webb time with the 1s. No question. But saying that Eli doesnt need extensive time with the O and Odell after one stinking game and 2 series is just fucking asinine to me.
Eli likely will get the two series he had in week 1, a quarter in week 2, a half in week 3 and a series or no time at all in the final game
I know it is a new offense, but the staff will learn a heck of a lot more in practice this week with the Lions than they will get from the actual game.
I know a lot of posters act like that blasphemy, but it is the truth
Thank you, maybe if Chopperhatch would get off his high horse he would see it as well.
don't sweat the valueless chucklehead views...
Right Googs....because you add so much.
It's more important for Eli to get as comfortable Â
as possible with the new offense and new teammates than it is for Davis to start.
I dont even think Eli would tolerate being removed in favor of evaluatibg Webb. This might be his last year and I highly doubt he wants to go out with a season starting in the sludge due to not clicking with a unit.
Eli needs to go thru all the reads with Odell, Engram and Saquon being together as much as possible. That 2nd or 3rd read can be a game changing play with the guys he has to throw to.
RE: Are you insane, you want fans to revolt that Eli did not start Â
High horse? Regardless of what you may think, Eli definitely needs plenty of preseason reps with the 1st team with this new offense. Not only because some offseason time running it on the practice field in shells is not enough, but also because all accounts say this offense is really not like Mac's AT ALL. Yes both have WC concepts but if you watched the Vikings of last year vs what the Giants fid the previous 4, not much was similar except for maybe the route combos.
Look at the formations. Look at the fact that Eli is going to be under center a whole lot more. The way the backs are used. Different reads based on down, distance and situation. This is not Brady who has worked in the same O for basically 8 consecutive years!
If you had saif this for week 4, I would have probably agreed that the need to play Eli in that game at all is less important to giving Webb time with the 1s. No question. But saying that Eli doesnt need extensive time with the O and Odell after one stinking game and 2 series is just fucking asinine to me.
Eli is a 15 year vet, playing a quarter and a half won’t get him anymore ready for the regular season. New offense or not. That’s where we disagree.
in preseason. He had some good throws but also didn't look exactly sharp on others (kind of normal Eli) but nevertheless its obvious he is our starting QB so what is the point?
We also don't need OBJ and Barkley playing at all. These are the goods and we do not need ANY injuries/issues otherwise this season is over before it starts.
Webb and Lauletta need to learn how to become QBs. Eli is not going to develop his overall game any further by getting one single more preseason snap...
Is there ever any thread that does not include a post from you?
I mean you really are repetitive with what you say again and again and again. You make BBI a bad place... Perhaps that is your intention.
in preseason. He had some good throws but also didn't look exactly sharp on others (kind of normal Eli) but nevertheless its obvious he is our starting QB so what is the point?
We also don't need OBJ and Barkley playing at all. These are the goods and we do not need ANY injuries/issues otherwise this season is over before it starts.
Webb and Lauletta need to learn how to become QBs. Eli is not going to develop his overall game any further by getting one single more preseason snap...
Is there ever any thread that does not include a post from you?
I mean you really are repetitive with what you say again and again and again. You make BBI a bad place... Perhaps that is your intention.
Congrats JP, you are now a "chucklehead"....whatever that means.
the last two years he didn't get enough playtime in the preseason and he wasn't ready for the season. Its a team game and it is all about timing. You don't get that by watching others play. 15-year veteran or not.
and not Lauletta? Webb is only a 2nd year QB and is learning a new O like the others. I don't think it's a given that he will be the #2 QB at the start of the season.
“This organization really needs to see what it has in Webb.“ Â
Gee, I guess Gettleman and Shurmur haven’t given any thought to how to go about evaluating the players this summer. Thanks for the suggestion.
PS: Webb was a third round draft pick who is a long shot. Sadly, all the hoopla about him being something other than that has possibly raised expectations to unfair levels.
From all reports, he is a guy with a canon of an arm, hard work ethic, and is doing everything right trying to learn his trade. He’s had one year riding the pines. In fairness, he was drafted as a project and fans and media have placed very unfair expectations upon him. He needs time to grow (as in 2 more seasons). He isn’t Baker Mayfield. But it’s unfair to expect him to be.
If the problem were that he was getting killed behind a 2nd string line, I'd understand, but that wasn't the problem.
If the suggestion is the second string receivers are not running the right routes so all those passes that looked inaccurate were thrown to the right places but the receivers read things wrong and weren't where they should have been, the coaches already know that even if the fans don't.
And if the suggestion is that the first stringers will some how magically improve Webb's play, I don't see how.
Meanwhile, even if you were right that Eli has nothing to learn from a preseason game, every single person blocking for him is either new or in moved position. They also need to get a feel for what Eli does in the pocket when someone might really hit him. And of course, even if he knows the playbook and reads perfectly, he has to get timing down with new receivers and backs.
RE: RE: Are you insane, you want fans to revolt that Eli did not start Â
I don't subscribe to this, this pure stupidity...not the knee-jerk absent mindedness of the OP
If you don’t agree with me I could not care less. What I don’t like is your arrogant condescending tone. Instead of googling me, just click on my BBI profile and see that I’ve been on this site for 13 years. So again get off your fucking high horse, and relax dude.
because Eli needs to get ready for the season. Look we sucked last year and we where not ready to play. Eli plays 1st quarter than let Webb play than Louletta. It had nothing to do with who he played with.
Guys like me. Isn t it reasonable for us to show some concern over how poorly Webb played.
I don t think that is an overreaction. I ve moved on, ready to root like hell for Barkley.
But that mean by participating in these discussions, still believing quarterback was the way to go, I m in an I told you so mentality
Obviously it s still a hot topic, if the numbers on the threads are any indication.
Some guys are in the, rooting harder to be right, than they are rooting for the Giants, but still stating your position after the draft does not automatically put one in that category.
What is annoying to me is the exasperation expressed by some whenever the topic comes up.
RE: RE: RE: Not sure why Eli needs to play at all Â
in preseason. He had some good throws but also didn't look exactly sharp on others (kind of normal Eli) but nevertheless its obvious he is our starting QB so what is the point?
We also don't need OBJ and Barkley playing at all. These are the goods and we do not need ANY injuries/issues otherwise this season is over before it starts.
Webb and Lauletta need to learn how to become QBs. Eli is not going to develop his overall game any further by getting one single more preseason snap...
Is there ever any thread that does not include a post from you?
I mean you really are repetitive with what you say again and again and again. You make BBI a bad place... Perhaps that is your intention.
Congrats JP, you are now a "chucklehead"....whatever that means.
anti-Webb group pile on after a rough night. Excuse me but Eli didn't look so sharp either and speaking of guys that make high throws....
That said:
Eli needs his reps with the 1st team as many of said. New offense, new line, new WRs and RBs. Cannot cut Eli's reps.
I didn't see too many bad decisions from Webb, Bad throws, yep. People want to harp on a poor decision or two better not watch Eli too closely, he's good for 2 or 3 per game. Let's see what happens through pre-season. The game needs to slow down for young players and all the practice time in the world will not do that. The Lions scrimmage will help a lot. If he doesn't straighten out by preseason game four, we have a problem
New defense didn't look so sharp either, but suspect it will get better with real playing time (interior line looked good.)
in preseason. He had some good throws but also didn't look exactly sharp on others (kind of normal Eli) but nevertheless its obvious he is our starting QB so what is the point?
We also don't need OBJ and Barkley playing at all. These are the goods and we do not need ANY injuries/issues otherwise this season is over before it starts.
Webb and Lauletta need to learn how to become QBs. Eli is not going to develop his overall game any further by getting one single more preseason snap...
Read Dep. This is called an objective post as to Eli.
in preseason. He had some good throws but also didn't look exactly sharp on others (kind of normal Eli) but nevertheless its obvious he is our starting QB so what is the point?
We also don't need OBJ and Barkley playing at all. These are the goods and we do not need ANY injuries/issues otherwise this season is over before it starts.
Webb and Lauletta need to learn how to become QBs. Eli is not going to develop his overall game any further by getting one single more preseason snap...
Read Dep. This is called an objective post as to Eli.
read it, learn it, live it...
Again, such a bore. Like I said, you have no problem calling out posters but when they call you out.... you cry like a little baby.
You’re a child and you’re embarrassing yourself now.
in preseason. He had some good throws but also didn't look exactly sharp on others (kind of normal Eli) but nevertheless its obvious he is our starting QB so what is the point?
We also don't need OBJ and Barkley playing at all. These are the goods and we do not need ANY injuries/issues otherwise this season is over before it starts.
Webb and Lauletta need to learn how to become QBs. Eli is not going to develop his overall game any further by getting one single more preseason snap...
Read Dep. This is called an objective post as to Eli.
read it, learn it, live it...
It must be euphoric to go through life with such a density as you do. Seriously. I wish I didnt have to consider my thoughts before just regurgitating them.
I mean, why not? Just depends on how much work they want to give 37 year old Eli.
A series is fine. But Eli will start and play the first quarter IMO along with Barkley and Beckham. I can see those 3 sitting after that. And guys like EE, SS, and the OLine getting a series or 2 with Webb.
it's just much more vital to ensure Eli is up to speed for opening day.
In the bigger picture, Webb first needs to demonstrate a grasp on passing basics such as completing a vertical pass more than ten yards downfield. A few reps doesn't necessarily shed more light on his future prospects. fans assume it's their only or best opportunity, which isn't accurate.
Precisely. He doesn't look the part. He doesn't play the part. He just sucks the part (i.e. the dick).
That said, I'm fine with giving him another chance to prove himself, just not at the expense of any snaps that would normally be Eli's (or Lauletta's for that matter, who looks way more like a guy who could actually win games in the NFL with the right system/supporting cast).
You made this assumption before or after the Cleveland game?
I made the observation that he was a mechanical mess when we drafted him. I reached the conclusion he can't play when, over a year after we drafted him, he still doesn't know how to throw a football like a professional quarterback.
People are really burying their heads in the sand regarding webb Â
Eli does not 'need' the preseason snaps and maybe experiencing the pressure of starting would be a good thing for Webb. The Giants probably have more to gain long term by starting Webb than risking anything happening to Eli. Eli will get his work in with the Jets.
RE: People are really burying their heads in the sand regarding webb Â
Which is weird, because nobody was especially high on him as a prospect, and he was selected by a GM who never drafted a decent backup QB.
Narratives are being bent all over BBI all offseason to make the decision to pick Barkley over a QB look better. We've seen on BBI:
- Barkley obliterated all the QBs as a prospect (not popular opinion prior to the draft)
- Franchise quarterbacks can be found just as easily later in the draft (not popular opinion prior to the draft)
- Running backs are not that easy to find in the draft (not popular opinion prior to the draft)
- Eli hasn't shown signs of age (questionable)
- Davis Webb has the ability to inherit the position from Eli (extremely questionable)
- Lauletta is a really good prospect (questionable)
- Pat Shurmur is a QB whisperer (questionable)
The questionable statements are just that: questionable. I don't think it can be said with certainty one way or the other (though Eli's age and cap hit are indeed certainties).
But the other statements have been, IMO, examples of BBIers wanting to bend previous widely held beliefs to shine the Giants' offseason decisions in a more favorable light.
It's kind of scary how people twist what are accepted facts Â
But the Giants have to try to develop this guy into a competent NFL QB. They’ve invested a 3rd round pick in him. People will say that’s not really an investment, but it is when you expect a solid NFL player out of a top 100 pick.
Also people aren’t realizing that Webb, for better or worse, is the backup to Eli. If Eli were to have an injury, Webb is the guy that would play. How can we have a backup with no NFL experience? Obviously the coaching staff trust him enough to not get a more experienced QB to backup Eli.
and Lauletta is the new regime's pick. Plenty of change to come, they could be better off picking high in 2019 if Eli were to get injured. It doesn't all hinge on Webb.
RE: I understand that everyone is down on Webb due to last week Â
But the Giants have to try to develop this guy into a competent NFL QB. They’ve invested a 3rd round pick in him. People will say that’s not really an investment, but it is when you expect a solid NFL player out of a top 100 pick.
Also people aren’t realizing that Webb, for better or worse, is the backup to Eli. If Eli were to have an injury, Webb is the guy that would play. How can we have a backup with no NFL experience? Obviously the coaching staff trust him enough to not get a more experienced QB to backup Eli.
Webb was picked by a regime that had a 0% success rate in drafting and developing QBs in over a decade. If your name was Manning between 2004-2017, the Giants are where QB careers went to die.
Watching Webb's college performance and his showing the other night after a year on an NFL team, I feel very strongly he shouldn't make the team. He isn't an NFL prospect. Another of the previous regime's final gifts to the roster.
As opposed to playing for some hypothetical three years from now.
Young QBs play well with the 2nd and 3rd team all the time, that's in fact crazily how they get elevated on the depth chart!
Why is this a bad suggestion? Please explain.
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Why is this a bad suggestion? Please explain.
1. Eli needs as many reps in a new offense.
2. Webb sucked because of his throws not who he was throwing too. You think going up against 1st team defenses will help?
3. He’s got to earn playing time. He didn’t.
The second one that stands out was the end of the half. That was just poor time management which a lot od young guys struggle with. It is unacceptable but a necessary learning experience.
To me, his biggest issue was just the high throws. I cannot wait to see how he responds this week against Detroit. I'm not as down on him as others.
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Why is this a bad suggestion? Please explain.
1. Eli needs as many reps in a new offense.
2. Webb sucked because of his throws not who he was throwing too. You think going up against 1st team defenses will help?
3. He’s got to earn playing time. He didn’t.
Eli is a 15 year veteran... you don’t think he knows the offense by know... LOL
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Why is this a bad suggestion? Please explain.
1. Eli needs as many reps in a new offense.
2. Webb sucked because of his throws not who he was throwing too. You think going up against 1st team defenses will help?
3. He’s got to earn playing time. He didn’t.
Eli is a 15 year veteran... you don’t think he knows the offense by know... LOL
Eli believes he needs more reps.
A: Whatever coach thinks we need. I think you want to be out there and playing just to get a feel for him calling the plays and the game plan. I think once you’re playing against a new opponent, looks come up and different defenses that you’ve been seeing in training camp versus your defense where you want to get some reps at those things to make sure everybody is on the same page. I’m excited about getting out there and playing.
Now I can see getting him more reps but I dont want him near the starters. Lets face it. If Eli goes down we are screwed. It was a terrible performance, I would go so far as to say that Lauletta deserves more time than Webb. We should just dump Tanney now, there is no need for him, the kids need as much time as they can get. If Webb puts up another stinker it may be time to look at the waiver wire for a backup.
Eli picked up the West Coast offense pretty quickly. He’s had all offseason to learn Shurmur’s offense. Missing 1 game won’t affect him in the slightest. Finding out what Webb is, should be the priority.
I'd actually do the opposite. Play Eli into the second quarter, then give Lauletta a shot through the 3rd, and let Webb play the fourth. I'd want to see how he handles being pushed back in the rotation. Does he respond by focusing in and playing well, or does he get in a funk?
Goal number one is to get ready gir the season, which means focusing on Eli, not Webb.
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Why is this a bad suggestion? Please explain.
1. Eli needs as many reps in a new offense.
2. Webb sucked because of his throws not who he was throwing too. You think going up against 1st team defenses will help?
3. He’s got to earn playing time. He didn’t.
4. it's a brand new offense
5. Its a brand new line that our STARTER has to get comfortable with
6. The offense sucked last year, Games 2 and 3 are when the STARTER gets the most burn with the other starters
7. That was only the first of 4 preseason games
8. Webb will most likely get a whole half with most of the 1s in game 4.
9. Its a dumb fucking idea.
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Everyone is learning it from the beginning, Eli included...
Eli picked up the West Coast offense pretty quickly. He’s had all offseason to learn Shurmur’s offense. Missing 1 game won’t affect him in the slightest. Finding out what Webb is, should be the priority.
I reiterate my original "Jesus..."
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Everyone is learning it from the beginning, Eli included...
Eli picked up the West Coast offense pretty quickly. He’s had all offseason to learn Shurmur’s offense. Missing 1 game won’t affect him in the slightest. Finding out what Webb is, should be the priority.
I reiterate my original "Jesus..."
4. it's a brand new offense
5. Its a brand new line that our STARTER has to get comfortable with
6. The offense sucked last year, Games 2 and 3 are when the STARTER gets the most burn with the other starters
7. That was only the first of 4 preseason games
8. Webb will most likely get a whole half with most of the 1s in game 4.
9. Its a dumb fucking idea.
I wasn’t aware that the starters played an entire game in the Preseason, that’s news to me. And what the fuck does last year’s offense have to do with this year?
Davis will get plenty of reps in the scrimmages with the Lions and with the 2nd string in preseason games. He needs to show that he can play at least as well as Lauletta.
Whoever is the 2nd string QB (Webb or Lauletta) should be given reps in the 4th quarter real games that are out of reach.
I know it is a new offense, but the staff will learn a heck of a lot more in practice this week with the Lions than they will get from the actual game.
I know a lot of posters act like that blasphemy, but it is the truth
I know it is a new offense, but the staff will learn a heck of a lot more in practice this week with the Lions than they will get from the actual game.
I know a lot of posters act like that blasphemy, but it is the truth
Thank you, maybe if Chopperhatch would get off his high horse he would see it as well.
We also don't need OBJ and Barkley playing at all. These are the goods and we do not need ANY injuries/issues otherwise this season is over before it starts.
Webb and Lauletta need to learn how to become QBs. Eli is not going to develop his overall game any further by getting one single more preseason snap...
We also don't need OBJ and Barkley playing at all. These are the goods and we do not need ANY injuries/issues otherwise this season is over before it starts.
Webb and Lauletta need to learn how to become QBs. Eli is not going to develop his overall game any further by getting one single more preseason snap...
Look at that!!
I stopped goosestepping long enough to give a slow clap....
I don't suspect it will help Webb -- if he can't get the ball in the vicinity of the target the 2007 Patriots wouldn't make a difference.
He needs to settle down and throw the ball to his teammates. If he can't do that he can't play in the NFL.
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Eli likely will get the two series he had in week 1, a quarter in week 2, a half in week 3 and a series or no time at all in the final game
I know it is a new offense, but the staff will learn a heck of a lot more in practice this week with the Lions than they will get from the actual game.
I know a lot of posters act like that blasphemy, but it is the truth
Thank you, maybe if Chopperhatch would get off his high horse he would see it as well.
don't sweat the valueless chucklehead views...
If he is always anxious and hyper or if his accuracy and decision making are lacking they have to look elsewhere. It is way too soon to give up on him based on 2 quarters play with 2nd and 3rd stringers in the 1st preseason game.
He deserves several more chances and not ones where he has to redeem himself for a previous poor showing. The Giants still don't know what they have in him; give him some chances to find out.
Look forward to you turning the corner on here...
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Eli likely will get the two series he had in week 1, a quarter in week 2, a half in week 3 and a series or no time at all in the final game
I know it is a new offense, but the staff will learn a heck of a lot more in practice this week with the Lions than they will get from the actual game.
I know a lot of posters act like that blasphemy, but it is the truth
Thank you, maybe if Chopperhatch would get off his high horse he would see it as well.
High horse? Regardless of what you may think, Eli definitely needs plenty of preseason reps with the 1st team with this new offense. Not only because some offseason time running it on the practice field in shells is not enough, but also because all accounts say this offense is really not like Mac's AT ALL. Yes both have WC concepts but if you watched the Vikings of last year vs what the Giants fid the previous 4, not much was similar except for maybe the route combos.
Look at the formations. Look at the fact that Eli is going to be under center a whole lot more. The way the backs are used. Different reads based on down, distance and situation. This is not Brady who has worked in the same O for basically 8 consecutive years!
If you had saif this for week 4, I would have probably agreed that the need to play Eli in that game at all is less important to giving Webb time with the 1s. No question. But saying that Eli doesnt need extensive time with the O and Odell after one stinking game and 2 series is just fucking asinine to me.
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Eli likely will get the two series he had in week 1, a quarter in week 2, a half in week 3 and a series or no time at all in the final game
I know it is a new offense, but the staff will learn a heck of a lot more in practice this week with the Lions than they will get from the actual game.
I know a lot of posters act like that blasphemy, but it is the truth
Thank you, maybe if Chopperhatch would get off his high horse he would see it as well.
don't sweat the valueless chucklehead views...
Right Googs....because you add so much.
I dont even think Eli would tolerate being removed in favor of evaluatibg Webb. This might be his last year and I highly doubt he wants to go out with a season starting in the sludge due to not clicking with a unit.
Eli needs to go thru all the reads with Odell, Engram and Saquon being together as much as possible. That 2nd or 3rd read can be a game changing play with the guys he has to throw to.
I don't subscribe to this, this pure stupidity...not the knee-jerk absent mindedness of the OP
High horse? Regardless of what you may think, Eli definitely needs plenty of preseason reps with the 1st team with this new offense. Not only because some offseason time running it on the practice field in shells is not enough, but also because all accounts say this offense is really not like Mac's AT ALL. Yes both have WC concepts but if you watched the Vikings of last year vs what the Giants fid the previous 4, not much was similar except for maybe the route combos.
Look at the formations. Look at the fact that Eli is going to be under center a whole lot more. The way the backs are used. Different reads based on down, distance and situation. This is not Brady who has worked in the same O for basically 8 consecutive years!
If you had saif this for week 4, I would have probably agreed that the need to play Eli in that game at all is less important to giving Webb time with the 1s. No question. But saying that Eli doesnt need extensive time with the O and Odell after one stinking game and 2 series is just fucking asinine to me.
Eli is a 15 year vet, playing a quarter and a half won’t get him anymore ready for the regular season. New offense or not. That’s where we disagree.
We also don't need OBJ and Barkley playing at all. These are the goods and we do not need ANY injuries/issues otherwise this season is over before it starts.
Webb and Lauletta need to learn how to become QBs. Eli is not going to develop his overall game any further by getting one single more preseason snap...
Is there ever any thread that does not include a post from you?
I mean you really are repetitive with what you say again and again and again. You make BBI a bad place... Perhaps that is your intention.
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in preseason. He had some good throws but also didn't look exactly sharp on others (kind of normal Eli) but nevertheless its obvious he is our starting QB so what is the point?
We also don't need OBJ and Barkley playing at all. These are the goods and we do not need ANY injuries/issues otherwise this season is over before it starts.
Webb and Lauletta need to learn how to become QBs. Eli is not going to develop his overall game any further by getting one single more preseason snap...
Is there ever any thread that does not include a post from you?
I mean you really are repetitive with what you say again and again and again. You make BBI a bad place... Perhaps that is your intention.
Congrats JP, you are now a "chucklehead"....whatever that means.
As opposed to playing for some hypothetical three years from now.
This +1
PS: Webb was a third round draft pick who is a long shot. Sadly, all the hoopla about him being something other than that has possibly raised expectations to unfair levels.
From all reports, he is a guy with a canon of an arm, hard work ethic, and is doing everything right trying to learn his trade. He’s had one year riding the pines. In fairness, he was drafted as a project and fans and media have placed very unfair expectations upon him. He needs time to grow (as in 2 more seasons). He isn’t Baker Mayfield. But it’s unfair to expect him to be.
If the suggestion is the second string receivers are not running the right routes so all those passes that looked inaccurate were thrown to the right places but the receivers read things wrong and weren't where they should have been, the coaches already know that even if the fans don't.
And if the suggestion is that the first stringers will some how magically improve Webb's play, I don't see how.
Meanwhile, even if you were right that Eli has nothing to learn from a preseason game, every single person blocking for him is either new or in moved position. They also need to get a feel for what Eli does in the pocket when someone might really hit him. And of course, even if he knows the playbook and reads perfectly, he has to get timing down with new receivers and backs.
I don't subscribe to this, this pure stupidity...not the knee-jerk absent mindedness of the OP
If you don’t agree with me I could not care less. What I don’t like is your arrogant condescending tone. Instead of googling me, just click on my BBI profile and see that I’ve been on this site for 13 years. So again get off your fucking high horse, and relax dude.
He needed a bad (very bad) game. It would be wrong to dump him over that.
I'm a believer in Lauletta, but I bet DW will not repeat his performance against the Browns if he starts against the Lions.
I don t think that is an overreaction. I ve moved on, ready to root like hell for Barkley.
But that mean by participating in these discussions, still believing quarterback was the way to go, I m in an I told you so mentality
Obviously it s still a hot topic, if the numbers on the threads are any indication.
Some guys are in the, rooting harder to be right, than they are rooting for the Giants, but still stating your position after the draft does not automatically put one in that category.
What is annoying to me is the exasperation expressed by some whenever the topic comes up.
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in preseason. He had some good throws but also didn't look exactly sharp on others (kind of normal Eli) but nevertheless its obvious he is our starting QB so what is the point?
We also don't need OBJ and Barkley playing at all. These are the goods and we do not need ANY injuries/issues otherwise this season is over before it starts.
Webb and Lauletta need to learn how to become QBs. Eli is not going to develop his overall game any further by getting one single more preseason snap...
Is there ever any thread that does not include a post from you?
I mean you really are repetitive with what you say again and again and again. You make BBI a bad place... Perhaps that is your intention.
Congrats JP, you are now a "chucklehead"....whatever that means.
Assumed you two have the same jackets...
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Eli needs his reps with the 1st team as many of said. New offense, new line, new WRs and RBs. Cannot cut Eli's reps.
I didn't see too many bad decisions from Webb, Bad throws, yep. People want to harp on a poor decision or two better not watch Eli too closely, he's good for 2 or 3 per game. Let's see what happens through pre-season. The game needs to slow down for young players and all the practice time in the world will not do that. The Lions scrimmage will help a lot. If he doesn't straighten out by preseason game four, we have a problem
New defense didn't look so sharp either, but suspect it will get better with real playing time (interior line looked good.)
We also don't need OBJ and Barkley playing at all. These are the goods and we do not need ANY injuries/issues otherwise this season is over before it starts.
Webb and Lauletta need to learn how to become QBs. Eli is not going to develop his overall game any further by getting one single more preseason snap...
Read Dep. This is called an objective post as to Eli.
read it, learn it, live it...
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in preseason. He had some good throws but also didn't look exactly sharp on others (kind of normal Eli) but nevertheless its obvious he is our starting QB so what is the point?
We also don't need OBJ and Barkley playing at all. These are the goods and we do not need ANY injuries/issues otherwise this season is over before it starts.
Webb and Lauletta need to learn how to become QBs. Eli is not going to develop his overall game any further by getting one single more preseason snap...
Read Dep. This is called an objective post as to Eli.
read it, learn it, live it...
Again, such a bore. Like I said, you have no problem calling out posters but when they call you out.... you cry like a little baby.
You’re a child and you’re embarrassing yourself now.
You want clarity? Davis Webb = Josh Allen.
There you go.
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in preseason. He had some good throws but also didn't look exactly sharp on others (kind of normal Eli) but nevertheless its obvious he is our starting QB so what is the point?
We also don't need OBJ and Barkley playing at all. These are the goods and we do not need ANY injuries/issues otherwise this season is over before it starts.
Webb and Lauletta need to learn how to become QBs. Eli is not going to develop his overall game any further by getting one single more preseason snap...
Read Dep. This is called an objective post as to Eli.
read it, learn it, live it...
It must be euphoric to go through life with such a density as you do. Seriously. I wish I didnt have to consider my thoughts before just regurgitating them.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Wow.
I cautioned the forum to not put too much hope into Webb until he shows he's on the ascent, and so far we're not seeing it.
A series is fine. But Eli will start and play the first quarter IMO along with Barkley and Beckham. I can see those 3 sitting after that. And guys like EE, SS, and the OLine getting a series or 2 with Webb.
In the bigger picture, Webb first needs to demonstrate a grasp on passing basics such as completing a vertical pass more than ten yards downfield. A few reps doesn't necessarily shed more light on his future prospects. fans assume it's their only or best opportunity, which isn't accurate.
Precisely. He doesn't look the part. He doesn't play the part. He just sucks the part (i.e. the dick).
That said, I'm fine with giving him another chance to prove himself, just not at the expense of any snaps that would normally be Eli's (or Lauletta's for that matter, who looks way more like a guy who could actually win games in the NFL with the right system/supporting cast).
You made this assumption before or after the Cleveland game?
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He isn't a pro QB.
You made this assumption before or after the Cleveland game?
I made the observation that he was a mechanical mess when we drafted him. I reached the conclusion he can't play when, over a year after we drafted him, he still doesn't know how to throw a football like a professional quarterback.
Narratives are being bent all over BBI all offseason to make the decision to pick Barkley over a QB look better. We've seen on BBI:
- Barkley obliterated all the QBs as a prospect (not popular opinion prior to the draft)
- Franchise quarterbacks can be found just as easily later in the draft (not popular opinion prior to the draft)
- Running backs are not that easy to find in the draft (not popular opinion prior to the draft)
- Eli hasn't shown signs of age (questionable)
- Davis Webb has the ability to inherit the position from Eli (extremely questionable)
- Lauletta is a really good prospect (questionable)
- Pat Shurmur is a QB whisperer (questionable)
The questionable statements are just that: questionable. I don't think it can be said with certainty one way or the other (though Eli's age and cap hit are indeed certainties).
But the other statements have been, IMO, examples of BBIers wanting to bend previous widely held beliefs to shine the Giants' offseason decisions in a more favorable light.
Also people aren’t realizing that Webb, for better or worse, is the backup to Eli. If Eli were to have an injury, Webb is the guy that would play. How can we have a backup with no NFL experience? Obviously the coaching staff trust him enough to not get a more experienced QB to backup Eli.
Also people aren’t realizing that Webb, for better or worse, is the backup to Eli. If Eli were to have an injury, Webb is the guy that would play. How can we have a backup with no NFL experience? Obviously the coaching staff trust him enough to not get a more experienced QB to backup Eli.
Webb was picked by a regime that had a 0% success rate in drafting and developing QBs in over a decade. If your name was Manning between 2004-2017, the Giants are where QB careers went to die.
Watching Webb's college performance and his showing the other night after a year on an NFL team, I feel very strongly he shouldn't make the team. He isn't an NFL prospect. Another of the previous regime's final gifts to the roster.