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Davis needs to start against the Lions.

JoeyBigBlue : 8/11/2018 6:53 pm
Would love to see him play with starters. Eli can play most of Week 3, and we know what we have in him. This organization really needs to see what it has in Webb. Playing with backups isn’t always the best judge of talent.
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Why?  
BestFeature : 8/11/2018 6:54 pm : link
So he could overthrow Shepard and Engram?
Give him some time with the starting O  
Rflairr : 8/11/2018 6:57 pm : link
Need to see what he is
Jesus  
chopperhatch : 8/11/2018 7:02 pm : link
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This is a new offense  
Bill L : 8/11/2018 7:04 pm : link
I’d rather get ready for this season. I’d rather we do our best this season.

As opposed to playing for some hypothetical three years from now.
His problem was  
Gman11 : 8/11/2018 7:10 pm : link
not with his teammates. He made bad decisions and a bunch of over throws.
I'm sorry but bad throws are bad throws  
NoGainDayne : 8/11/2018 7:12 pm : link
a lot of his throws there was separation and he airmailed it or threw it way too hard as close as they were to the line.

Young QBs play well with the 2nd and 3rd team all the time, that's in fact crazily how they get elevated on the depth chart!
RE: Jesus  
JoeyBigBlue : 8/11/2018 7:19 pm : link
In comment 14036677 chopperhatch said:
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Why is this a bad suggestion? Please explain.
RE: RE: Jesus  
dep026 : 8/11/2018 7:21 pm : link
In comment 14036693 JoeyBigBlue said:
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Why is this a bad suggestion? Please explain.


1. Eli needs as many reps in a new offense.
2. Webb sucked because of his throws not who he was throwing too. You think going up against 1st team defenses will help?
3. He’s got to earn playing time. He didn’t.
I'd like to say something about Webb.  
robbieballs2003 : 8/11/2018 7:25 pm : link
Yes, he played like shit. However, I don't think he made many bad decisions. I thought he made a ton of good decision. There were 2 bad decisions he made that stood out to me. One, he tried forcing one ball into a receiver where 2 LBs were closing in. I cannot totally say that was a bad decision without seeing all the other routes. He may have just been slow through his progressions and the window closed.

The second one that stands out was the end of the half. That was just poor time management which a lot od young guys struggle with. It is unacceptable but a necessary learning experience.

To me, his biggest issue was just the high throws. I cannot wait to see how he responds this week against Detroit. I'm not as down on him as others.
RE: RE: RE: Jesus  
JoeyBigBlue : 8/11/2018 7:30 pm : link
In comment 14036695 dep026 said:
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Why is this a bad suggestion? Please explain.



1. Eli needs as many reps in a new offense.
2. Webb sucked because of his throws not who he was throwing too. You think going up against 1st team defenses will help?
3. He’s got to earn playing time. He didn’t.


Eli is a 15 year veteran... you don’t think he knows the offense by know... LOL
RE: RE: RE: RE: Jesus  
robbieballs2003 : 8/11/2018 7:39 pm : link
In comment 14036703 JoeyBigBlue said:
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Why is this a bad suggestion? Please explain.



1. Eli needs as many reps in a new offense.
2. Webb sucked because of his throws not who he was throwing too. You think going up against 1st team defenses will help?
3. He’s got to earn playing time. He didn’t.



Eli is a 15 year veteran... you don’t think he knows the offense by know... LOL


Eli believes he needs more reps.

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Q: You have been through the new offense new coach thing in the preseason, do you want to play more so you are more comfortable or about the same as always?

A: Whatever coach thinks we need. I think you want to be out there and playing just to get a feel for him calling the plays and the game plan. I think once you’re playing against a new opponent, looks come up and different defenses that you’ve been seeing in training camp versus your defense where you want to get some reps at those things to make sure everybody is on the same page. I’m excited about getting out there and playing.
It is a brand new offense  
BigBlueHens : 8/11/2018 7:40 pm : link
Everyone is learning it from the beginning, Eli included...
He needs to play with the 2nd teamers  
Rudy5757 : 8/11/2018 7:50 pm : link
and get that right 1st. He was awful. By far one of the worst performances I have seen out of a QB in a long time. Its been said that he was an inaccurate passer and that showed big time. The last thing we want is for him to get our starting WRs killed on a high throw. He was consistently high on throws.

Now I can see getting him more reps but I dont want him near the starters. Lets face it. If Eli goes down we are screwed. It was a terrible performance, I would go so far as to say that Lauletta deserves more time than Webb. We should just dump Tanney now, there is no need for him, the kids need as much time as they can get. If Webb puts up another stinker it may be time to look at the waiver wire for a backup.
RE: It is a brand new offense  
JoeyBigBlue : 8/11/2018 7:51 pm : link
In comment 14036708 BigBlueHens said:
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Everyone is learning it from the beginning, Eli included...


Eli picked up the West Coast offense pretty quickly. He’s had all offseason to learn Shurmur’s offense. Missing 1 game won’t affect him in the slightest. Finding out what Webb is, should be the priority.
Webb's problem was between his ears  
Mike from Ohio : 8/11/2018 7:55 pm : link
He didn't make bad decisions (for the most part), but he was clearly nervous and pressing. His throws were not accurate. That will only ratchet up with the starters and the other team's starters.

I'd actually do the opposite. Play Eli into the second quarter, then give Lauletta a shot through the 3rd, and let Webb play the fourth. I'd want to see how he handles being pushed back in the rotation. Does he respond by focusing in and playing well, or does he get in a funk?

Goal number one is to get ready gir the season, which means focusing on Eli, not Webb.
RE: RE: RE: Jesus  
chopperhatch : 8/11/2018 7:56 pm : link
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Why is this a bad suggestion? Please explain.



1. Eli needs as many reps in a new offense.
2. Webb sucked because of his throws not who he was throwing too. You think going up against 1st team defenses will help?
3. He’s got to earn playing time. He didn’t.


4. it's a brand new offense
5. Its a brand new line that our STARTER has to get comfortable with
6. The offense sucked last year, Games 2 and 3 are when the STARTER gets the most burn with the other starters
7. That was only the first of 4 preseason games
8. Webb will most likely get a whole half with most of the 1s in game 4.
9. Its a dumb fucking idea.
RE: RE: It is a brand new offense  
chopperhatch : 8/11/2018 7:57 pm : link
In comment 14036714 JoeyBigBlue said:
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Everyone is learning it from the beginning, Eli included...



Eli picked up the West Coast offense pretty quickly. He’s had all offseason to learn Shurmur’s offense. Missing 1 game won’t affect him in the slightest. Finding out what Webb is, should be the priority.


I reiterate my original "Jesus..."
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Bill L : 8/11/2018 7:58 pm : link
In comment 14036717 chopperhatch said:
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Everyone is learning it from the beginning, Eli included...



Eli picked up the West Coast offense pretty quickly. He’s had all offseason to learn Shurmur’s offense. Missing 1 game won’t affect him in the slightest. Finding out what Webb is, should be the priority.



I reiterate my original "Jesus..."
yeah, I mean it’s not like this season matters to anyone or anything.
Btw, i googled JoeyBigBlue...wasnt expecting this:  
chopperhatch : 8/11/2018 7:59 pm : link
RE: RE: RE: RE: Jesus  
JoeyBigBlue : 8/11/2018 8:01 pm : link

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4. it's a brand new offense
5. Its a brand new line that our STARTER has to get comfortable with
6. The offense sucked last year, Games 2 and 3 are when the STARTER gets the most burn with the other starters
7. That was only the first of 4 preseason games
8. Webb will most likely get a whole half with most of the 1s in game 4.
9. Its a dumb fucking idea.


I wasn’t aware that the starters played an entire game in the Preseason, that’s news to me. And what the fuck does last year’s offense have to do with this year?
Eli only got 2 series in the first game  
Steve in South Jersey : 8/11/2018 8:05 pm : link
Giants need to get Eli ready for the regular season and he has be be with the 1st string.

Davis will get plenty of reps in the scrimmages with the Lions and with the 2nd string in preseason games. He needs to show that he can play at least as well as Lauletta.

Whoever is the 2nd string QB (Webb or Lauletta) should be given reps in the 4th quarter real games that are out of reach.
I don't mind the idea..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/11/2018 8:06 pm : link
Eli likely will get the two series he had in week 1, a quarter in week 2, a half in week 3 and a series or no time at all in the final game

I know it is a new offense, but the staff will learn a heck of a lot more in practice this week with the Lions than they will get from the actual game.

I know a lot of posters act like that blasphemy, but it is the truth
RE: I don't mind the idea..  
JoeyBigBlue : 8/11/2018 8:16 pm : link
In comment 14036727 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Eli likely will get the two series he had in week 1, a quarter in week 2, a half in week 3 and a series or no time at all in the final game

I know it is a new offense, but the staff will learn a heck of a lot more in practice this week with the Lions than they will get from the actual game.

I know a lot of posters act like that blasphemy, but it is the truth


Thank you, maybe if Chopperhatch would get off his high horse he would see it as well.
Not sure why Eli needs to play at all  
Jimmy Googs : 8/11/2018 8:18 pm : link
in preseason. He had some good throws but also didn't look exactly sharp on others (kind of normal Eli) but nevertheless its obvious he is our starting QB so what is the point?

We also don't need OBJ and Barkley playing at all. These are the goods and we do not need ANY injuries/issues otherwise this season is over before it starts.

Webb and Lauletta need to learn how to become QBs. Eli is not going to develop his overall game any further by getting one single more preseason snap...
RE: Not sure why Eli needs to play at all  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/11/2018 8:21 pm : link
In comment 14036736 Jimmy Googs said:
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in preseason. He had some good throws but also didn't look exactly sharp on others (kind of normal Eli) but nevertheless its obvious he is our starting QB so what is the point?

We also don't need OBJ and Barkley playing at all. These are the goods and we do not need ANY injuries/issues otherwise this season is over before it starts.

Webb and Lauletta need to learn how to become QBs. Eli is not going to develop his overall game any further by getting one single more preseason snap...


Look at that!!

I stopped goosestepping long enough to give a slow clap....

...  
christian : 8/11/2018 8:21 pm : link
It's not uncommon for the 2nd QB to get some burn with the 1st unit in the 2nd and 3rd game.

I don't suspect it will help Webb -- if he can't get the ball in the vicinity of the target the 2007 Patriots wouldn't make a difference.

He needs to settle down and throw the ball to his teammates. If he can't do that he can't play in the NFL.
RE: RE: I don't mind the idea..  
Jimmy Googs : 8/11/2018 8:22 pm : link
In comment 14036735 JoeyBigBlue said:
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Eli likely will get the two series he had in week 1, a quarter in week 2, a half in week 3 and a series or no time at all in the final game

I know it is a new offense, but the staff will learn a heck of a lot more in practice this week with the Lions than they will get from the actual game.

I know a lot of posters act like that blasphemy, but it is the truth



Thank you, maybe if Chopperhatch would get off his high horse he would see it as well.


don't sweat the valueless chucklehead views...
You can't just give up on the guy because of one bad qtr in the  
PatersonPlank : 8/11/2018 8:24 pm : link
first pre-season game. The guy needs some chances to see if he can do it or not. The people wanting to drop him over this are rediculous. Remember he's looked good in practice. It could have just been nerves, he knows the whole city is watching him. If he sucks a few more times in pre-season then ok, but everyone has a bad game once and a while.
I have wishful thinking for Webb's development but:  
NYRiese : 8/11/2018 8:27 pm : link
The Giants have got to determine if Webb's performance was because of his talent and hyper activity versus his talent and otherwise natural composure.

If he is always anxious and hyper or if his accuracy and decision making are lacking they have to look elsewhere. It is way too soon to give up on him based on 2 quarters play with 2nd and 3rd stringers in the 1st preseason game.

He deserves several more chances and not ones where he has to redeem himself for a previous poor showing. The Giants still don't know what they have in him; give him some chances to find out.
Glad to see you jumped out of the history channel  
Jimmy Googs : 8/11/2018 8:31 pm : link
at least on this thread, and offer some actual constructive points versus just the "LOL" at others views.

Look forward to you turning the corner on here...
Giving him some time with 1st string is possible  
Steve in South Jersey : 8/11/2018 8:34 pm : link
but he won't start as the declared that the beginning of this thread. I think Webb should show a positive performance against the 2nd string before being awarded 1st string reps.
RE: RE: I don't mind the idea..  
chopperhatch : 8/11/2018 8:53 pm : link
In comment 14036735 JoeyBigBlue said:
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Eli likely will get the two series he had in week 1, a quarter in week 2, a half in week 3 and a series or no time at all in the final game

I know it is a new offense, but the staff will learn a heck of a lot more in practice this week with the Lions than they will get from the actual game.

I know a lot of posters act like that blasphemy, but it is the truth



Thank you, maybe if Chopperhatch would get off his high horse he would see it as well.


High horse? Regardless of what you may think, Eli definitely needs plenty of preseason reps with the 1st team with this new offense. Not only because some offseason time running it on the practice field in shells is not enough, but also because all accounts say this offense is really not like Mac's AT ALL. Yes both have WC concepts but if you watched the Vikings of last year vs what the Giants fid the previous 4, not much was similar except for maybe the route combos.

Look at the formations. Look at the fact that Eli is going to be under center a whole lot more. The way the backs are used. Different reads based on down, distance and situation. This is not Brady who has worked in the same O for basically 8 consecutive years!

If you had saif this for week 4, I would have probably agreed that the need to play Eli in that game at all is less important to giving Webb time with the 1s. No question. But saying that Eli doesnt need extensive time with the O and Odell after one stinking game and 2 series is just fucking asinine to me.
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chopperhatch : 8/11/2018 8:54 pm : link
In comment 14036741 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 14036727 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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Eli likely will get the two series he had in week 1, a quarter in week 2, a half in week 3 and a series or no time at all in the final game

I know it is a new offense, but the staff will learn a heck of a lot more in practice this week with the Lions than they will get from the actual game.

I know a lot of posters act like that blasphemy, but it is the truth



Thank you, maybe if Chopperhatch would get off his high horse he would see it as well.



don't sweat the valueless chucklehead views...



Right Googs....because you add so much.
It's more important for Eli to get as comfortable  
steve in ky : 8/11/2018 9:07 pm : link
as possible with the new offense and new teammates than it is for Davis to start.
Are you insane, you want fans to revolt that Eli did not start  
NYSports1 : 8/11/2018 9:13 pm : link
You trying to get Shurmur fired and DG? or are you thinking the Giants can draft high next year and take a FB to complete the offense
RE: It's more important for Eli to get as comfortable  
chopperhatch : 8/11/2018 9:14 pm : link
In comment 14036780 steve in ky said:
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as possible with the new offense and new teammates than it is for Davis to start.



I dont even think Eli would tolerate being removed in favor of evaluatibg Webb. This might be his last year and I highly doubt he wants to go out with a season starting in the sludge due to not clicking with a unit.

Eli needs to go thru all the reads with Odell, Engram and Saquon being together as much as possible. That 2nd or 3rd read can be a game changing play with the guys he has to throw to.
RE: Are you insane, you want fans to revolt that Eli did not start  
chopperhatch : 8/11/2018 9:15 pm : link
In comment 14036781 NYSports1 said:
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You trying to get Shurmur fired and DG? or are you thinking the Giants can draft high next year and take a FB to complete the offense


I don't subscribe to this, this pure stupidity...not the knee-jerk absent mindedness of the OP
RE: RE: RE: I don't mind the idea..  
JoeyBigBlue : 8/11/2018 9:18 pm : link
In comment 14036773 chopperhatch said:
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High horse? Regardless of what you may think, Eli definitely needs plenty of preseason reps with the 1st team with this new offense. Not only because some offseason time running it on the practice field in shells is not enough, but also because all accounts say this offense is really not like Mac's AT ALL. Yes both have WC concepts but if you watched the Vikings of last year vs what the Giants fid the previous 4, not much was similar except for maybe the route combos.

Look at the formations. Look at the fact that Eli is going to be under center a whole lot more. The way the backs are used. Different reads based on down, distance and situation. This is not Brady who has worked in the same O for basically 8 consecutive years!

If you had saif this for week 4, I would have probably agreed that the need to play Eli in that game at all is less important to giving Webb time with the 1s. No question. But saying that Eli doesnt need extensive time with the O and Odell after one stinking game and 2 series is just fucking asinine to me.


Eli is a 15 year vet, playing a quarter and a half won’t get him anymore ready for the regular season. New offense or not. That’s where we disagree.
RE: Not sure why Eli needs to play at all  
JPinstripes : 8/11/2018 9:21 pm : link
In comment 14036736 Jimmy Googs said:
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in preseason. He had some good throws but also didn't look exactly sharp on others (kind of normal Eli) but nevertheless its obvious he is our starting QB so what is the point?

We also don't need OBJ and Barkley playing at all. These are the goods and we do not need ANY injuries/issues otherwise this season is over before it starts.

Webb and Lauletta need to learn how to become QBs. Eli is not going to develop his overall game any further by getting one single more preseason snap...


Is there ever any thread that does not include a post from you?

I mean you really are repetitive with what you say again and again and again. You make BBI a bad place... Perhaps that is your intention.
RE: RE: Not sure why Eli needs to play at all  
chopperhatch : 8/11/2018 9:30 pm : link
In comment 14036789 JPinstripes said:
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in preseason. He had some good throws but also didn't look exactly sharp on others (kind of normal Eli) but nevertheless its obvious he is our starting QB so what is the point?

We also don't need OBJ and Barkley playing at all. These are the goods and we do not need ANY injuries/issues otherwise this season is over before it starts.

Webb and Lauletta need to learn how to become QBs. Eli is not going to develop his overall game any further by getting one single more preseason snap...



Is there ever any thread that does not include a post from you?

I mean you really are repetitive with what you say again and again and again. You make BBI a bad place... Perhaps that is your intention.


Congrats JP, you are now a "chucklehead"....whatever that means.
Eli needs to be ready for the season  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 8/11/2018 9:39 pm : link
the last two years he didn't get enough playtime in the preseason and he wasn't ready for the season. Its a team game and it is all about timing. You don't get that by watching others play. 15-year veteran or not.
RE: This is a new offense  
BigBlue4You09 : 8/11/2018 10:24 pm : link
In comment 14036679 Bill L said:
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I’d rather get ready for this season. I’d rather we do our best this season.

As opposed to playing for some hypothetical three years from now.


This +1
Why Webb  
Rick5 : 8/11/2018 10:38 pm : link
and not Lauletta? Webb is only a 2nd year QB and is learning a new O like the others. I don't think it's a given that he will be the #2 QB at the start of the season.
“This organization really needs to see what it has in Webb.“  
baadbill : 8/11/2018 10:47 pm : link
Gee, I guess Gettleman and Shurmur haven’t given any thought to how to go about evaluating the players this summer. Thanks for the suggestion.

PS: Webb was a third round draft pick who is a long shot. Sadly, all the hoopla about him being something other than that has possibly raised expectations to unfair levels.

From all reports, he is a guy with a canon of an arm, hard work ethic, and is doing everything right trying to learn his trade. He’s had one year riding the pines. In fairness, he was drafted as a project and fans and media have placed very unfair expectations upon him. He needs time to grow (as in 2 more seasons). He isn’t Baker Mayfield. But it’s unfair to expect him to be.
How exactly would this help evaluate Webb  
Mike in Boston : 8/11/2018 11:33 pm : link
If the problem were that he was getting killed behind a 2nd string line, I'd understand, but that wasn't the problem.

If the suggestion is the second string receivers are not running the right routes so all those passes that looked inaccurate were thrown to the right places but the receivers read things wrong and weren't where they should have been, the coaches already know that even if the fans don't.

And if the suggestion is that the first stringers will some how magically improve Webb's play, I don't see how.


Meanwhile, even if you were right that Eli has nothing to learn from a preseason game, every single person blocking for him is either new or in moved position. They also need to get a feel for what Eli does in the pocket when someone might really hit him. And of course, even if he knows the playbook and reads perfectly, he has to get timing down with new receivers and backs.
RE: RE: Are you insane, you want fans to revolt that Eli did not start  
JoeyBigBlue : 8/12/2018 1:15 am : link

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I don't subscribe to this, this pure stupidity...not the knee-jerk absent mindedness of the OP


If you don’t agree with me I could not care less. What I don’t like is your arrogant condescending tone. Instead of googling me, just click on my BBI profile and see that I’ve been on this site for 13 years. So again get off your fucking high horse, and relax dude.
Davis needs to stay off instagram  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/12/2018 2:15 am : link
and show up for work on time, that's all.
Mike in Boston  
NikkiMac : 8/12/2018 5:10 am : link
You got it right buddy good posts
Webb should start next game  
Jim in NH : 8/12/2018 7:12 am : link
Even pros get wound up too tight. Especially on the roller coaster Davis Webb has been on since mid-last season.

He needed a bad (very bad) game. It would be wrong to dump him over that.

I'm a believer in Lauletta, but I bet DW will not repeat his performance against the Browns if he starts against the Lions.
It is a bad idea  
mdthedream : 8/12/2018 7:36 am : link
because Eli needs to get ready for the season. Look we sucked last year and we where not ready to play. Eli plays 1st quarter than let Webb play than Louletta. It had nothing to do with who he played with.
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