There’s been a lot of talk about the awfulness of Webb’s preseason performance and a lot of excuse making along the lines ofhe was “amped up”, he hasnt played a real game in a year, he should be playing with starters, he was the 2nd stringers.
So I thought i would see how he stacked up against the rest of the league to see just how common or uncommon such a game would be.
There were 83 QBs who have played so far. In terms of completion percentage, only 11 of those QBs completed under 50% of their passes. Webb at 9 of 22 was one of them at 41%.
Now this isnt regular NFL season where 50%-60% is very good. In the reason as you can see from the list below, nearly every QB is over 50% and the vast majority were throwing 70-75% completion due to the lack of blitzing, pressure etc and apt of throwing to checkdowns.
Here are the 11 QBs who went under 50%
Garret Grayson Atl
Joe Webb Hou
Sean Mannion STL
Danny Etling NE
Joe Callahan Phi
Brock Osweiler Mia
Matt Barkley Cindy
Josh Allen Buff
Alex Taney NYG
Davis Webb NYG
Lamar Jackson Balt
What you can also tell is that at least half of these guys are camp fodder and are getting cut. Most are new to their teams or playing their 1st NFL game ever.
Out of this group, Webb was the 3rd lowest completion percentage. He beats out Sean Mannion and Garret Grayson.
So out of 83 QBs who have played so far, 80 of them managed a better completion percentage than Davis Webb.
Im sure many of them were “amped up’ and the bast majority playing with backups and having not played in a year.
The only real equivalent of Davis Webb on the list os Sean Mannion. Half of those getting cut, 3 of them are rookies and Osweiler and Barkley are failed journeymen. And as you can see his performance was so bad its lead to calls of him being cut. Article linked
Here is the full list so you can just how many are no name guys who will never see a real NFL field or game and see just how easy it is to complete even half of your passes in the preseason. We arent talking a slew of Bradys, Brees and Rodgers here.
Det
Rudock 12/19
Cassel 10/18
Oak
Cook 11/19
Manuel 4/6
Carr 2/4
Atl
Benkert 9/17
Schaub 9/9
Grayson 3/10
Ryan 1/1
NYJ
Darnold 13/18
Bridgewater 7/8
McCown 1/1
Indy
Walker 5/8
Luck 6/9
Brisset 6/8
Kaaya 3/4
Sea
Davis 4/5
McGough 10/13
Wilson 4/5
Dallas
Rush 15/23
White 6/11
Prescott 3/3
SF
Bethard 10/20
Mullens 11/13
Garappolo 3/6
Hou
Weeden 9/11
Webb 6/13
Watson 1/1
KC
Henne 8/14
Litton 7/13
McGloin 6/8
Mahoes 5/7
Tenn
Falk 10/19
Gabbert 9/15
Marriata 2/3
GB
Kizer 9/18
Boyle 7/15
Huntley 9/14
Rams
Allen 10/15
Mannion 3/13
Balt
Jackson 7/18
RG3 5/7
Flacco 5/7
Wash
McCoy 13/18
Hogan 7/9
NE
Hoyer 16/23
Etling 2/5
NO
Hill 8/9
Savage 10/14
Jax
Kessler 14/17
Bottles 6/9
Lee 4/8
Pitt
Rudolph 7/12
Cobb’s 9/13
Jones 4/4
Philly
Sudefeld 10/14
Callahan 8/18
TB
Griffin 20/26
Winston 11/13
Fitzpatrick 6/8
Miami
Fals 8/11
osweiler 10/21
Prtty 4/7
Tannehill 4/8
Chi
Bray 18/27
Daniel 8/12
Trubisky 2/4
Cindy
Driskell 10/15
Dalton 6/8
Barkley 5/13
Car
Heinckle 7/9
Gilbert 7/12
Cam 7/9
Buff
peterman 9/10
Allen 9/19
McCarron 7/10
Clev
Mayfield 11/20
Taylor 5/5
Roback 2/4
NYG
Eli 4/7
Lauletta 6/9
Taney 3/7
Webb 9/2
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Just putrid posting this week.
I particularly liked the "Should we start Nassib" debates back in the day followed the next week with "Should we cut Nassib" debates.
Great times.
It would be equally as useless but funny to watch the anti-Webb/Giants QB future is doomed crusaders melt.
Fucking rockstar
Fuckin wild
Suck-ass performances!
Webb was awful, but it was ONE PRESEASON GAME.
Hey Diver Down, I'm still here, how are all of you guys doing on BBI?
I have a question about Laudetta, though. The biggest criticism of his potential seems to be that his arm might not be quite strong enough. Well, in baseball, pitchers nowadays are sent to velocity school, and it can make a huge difference (link). So my question is, why can't talented qb draft picks whose velocity needs to be a bit better be sent to learn the same techniques to pick up arm strength/velocity? It would seem that a qb with excellent tools except for velocity could be turned into the equivalent of a much higher pick if that works.
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Giants should have cut him before they left Baltimore. /sarc
ONE GAME for goodness sake!
I particularly liked the "Should we start Nassib" debates back in the day followed the next week with "Should we cut Nassib" debates.
Great times.
Or how about Jacoby Brisset as All Pro🤔
“He is so prepared and he wants to do well, that’s just his personality,” Shurmur said today. “He does get amped up a little bit, but that’s not a bad thing. Wanting to do well is a good thing. I think we as coaches can just help him with that.”
And, of course, it's an important concept of player development in all team sports that players magically get much better after the game begins to slow down for them. That clearly hasn't happened for Webb yet, and there is no predicting when it will, and how much better he will be if it does. Pre-slowdown statistics are useless as predictors.
He had a bad game. Just ridiculous.
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of wasted time for a preseason game, but each year it never ceases to amaze me the way some fans use preseason as a likely barometer of future success or failure.
I particularly liked the "Should we start Nassib" debates back in the day followed the next week with "Should we cut Nassib" debates.
Great times.
Or how about Jacoby Brisset as All Pro🤔
I remember that! Who was the dummy that started that thread, anyway? :)
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Do some work after practice with 1 wrs.
Nice to see the BBI bullies have all come out in summer bloom.
But the truth is Webb is likely as talented as Nassib or any of the other QBs on the Giants roster since 2004 not named Manning.
Nice to see the BBI bullies have all come out in summer bloom.
But the truth is Webb is likely as talented as Nassib or any of the other QBs on the Giants roster since 2004 not named Manning.
Please provide links to the “many” posters that have called Webb an all star this offseason. Hell, I’d settle for just some of the links calling him an all star.
Oh wait, you’re completely making that up, right? Yes, of course you are because it hasn’t happened one single time. Why do you have to make shit up?
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claimed him to this offseason? /s
Nice to see the BBI bullies have all come out in summer bloom.
But the truth is Webb is likely as talented as Nassib or any of the other QBs on the Giants roster since 2004 not named Manning.
Please provide links to the “many” posters that have called Webb an all star this offseason. Hell, I’d settle for just some of the links calling him an all star.
Oh wait, you’re completely making that up, right? Yes, of course you are because it hasn’t happened one single time. Why do you have to make shit up?
You’re kidding, right? Simply scroll back through the last five months of lead threads and you will find posters comparing Webb anything from Montana to Brady. Many were convinced that because he worked hard and followed Manning around like a “puppy dog” that he must be great. Seriously, don’t claim revisionist history.
dude, just take a nap. holy shit. the guy has played for a couple quarters in one preseason game and he's garbage in your opinion. great.
So I suppose if his career turns out anything less than Tom Brady you can pat yourself on the back and smugly imagine all the imaginary posters who said he was on the path to greatness were wrong. His story is still unwritten as an nfl qb, you probably never coached a player in your life, so please go scratch
So I suppose if his career turns out anything less than Tom Brady you can pat yourself on the back and smugly imagine all the imaginary posters who said he was on the path to greatness were wrong. His story is still unwritten as an nfl qb, you probably never coached a player in your life, so please go scratch
Hey dumbass, did you even read what the fuck he said before you went on your I know better than you tirade. Many of us saw Webb play in college, and he was average on his best days. Besides the BBI hate Eli crew who is dying for Webb lead us to the next 10 Superbowls, no one who has seen him play is actually too excited about his future with the Giants.... dude.
I watched the game, that was all the research necessary.
As to those that are aggravated that so much is being read into his performance: The Giants passed on a quarterback. Some of us wanted to believe that Webb might be the next guy.
After a very unprofessional performance we are concerned. Is that really unreasonable?
If Pat thinks Davis has what it takes to play QB, that's all I need to hear.
If Pat thinks Davis has what it takes to play QB, that's all I need to hear.
I think everyone would have to agree with that sentiment. The problem, of course, is that Shurmur isn’t likely to tell us what he is secretly telling Gettleman and ownership - and we have no way of knowing his actual thoughts - other than by what actually happens over the next few seasons... so saying that we should agree with what Shurmur actually thinks is pretty meaningless since there isn’t any way to know what he secretly actually thinks.
I also have it on good authority that Davis Webb's grandma thinks that he sucks, and also that smells bad.
I'm glad that we can put this issue to rest now that we've seen one preseason game without a fully installed offense, but I remain hopeful that we will have other players to bitch about moving forward.
I haven't seen anyone call Webb great. Like Montana or Brady. Or really anything remotely calling him an All-Star.
The biggest compliment Webb has gotten is that he works hard and studies. That's it.
Fucking hyperbole from hell!
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You’re kidding, right? Simply scroll back through the last five months of lead threads and you will find posters comparing Webb anything from Montana to Brady. Many were convinced that because he worked hard and followed Manning around like a “puppy dog” that he must be great. Seriously, don’t claim revisionist history.
I haven't seen anyone call Webb great. Like Montana or Brady. Or really anything remotely calling him an All-Star.
The biggest compliment Webb has gotten is that he works hard and studies. That's it.
Fucking hyperbole from hell!
It really is amazing, isn’t it? I asked the guy to link some of these posts declaring Webb an all star and he can’t do it. Since there were so many of them, they should be easy for him to find. I can’t find any so if he’s seen all these posts that I haven’t, I’d sure like to see them.
As far as the ridiculous proclamation that people have said that Webb is as good as Brady or Montana, it’s further evidence that this guy just makes things up to fit his narrative as he goes. Literally the only time I’ve seen Brady or Montana mentioned is when posters bring up that they weren’t first round picks and turned out ok. That’s not saying Webb will be as good at all, but rather let’s not just assume that QBs not taken in the first round are automatic failures. It really is stunning how people see what they want to see
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claimed him to this offseason? /s
Nice to see the BBI bullies have all come out in summer bloom.
But the truth is Webb is likely as talented as Nassib or any of the other QBs on the Giants roster since 2004 not named Manning.
Please provide links to the “many” posters that have called Webb an all star this offseason. Hell, I’d settle for just some of the links calling him an all star.
Oh wait, you’re completely making that up, right? Yes, of course you are because it hasn’t happened one single time. Why do you have to make shit up?
You’re kidding, right? Simply scroll back through the last five months of lead threads and you will find posters comparing Webb anything from Montana to Brady. Many were convinced that because he worked hard and followed Manning around like a “puppy dog” that he must be great. Seriously, don’t claim revisionist history.
The only revisionist history here is your own.
You literally made up narratives out of thin air that don't exist and never existed regarding Webb.
Many were convinced that because he worked hard and followed Eli around he must be great?
I'm not even sure I saw ONE person make that assumption here, let alone "many."
Webb's name also has never been put in the same sentence as Brady/Montana seriously by anyone here that I've ever seen.
if you're going to make claims like this, at least back them up with some proof.
Problem is, you won't be able to because people weren't saying these things and if anyone did, it was either tongue in cheek or some one-off delusional poster. It's nowhere near the majority opinion or common opinion you're making it out to be.
This is a crappy way to argue and try to convey a point. It holds no water.
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claimed him to this offseason? /s
Nice to see the BBI bullies have all come out in summer bloom.
But the truth is Webb is likely as talented as Nassib or any of the other QBs on the Giants roster since 2004 not named Manning.
Please provide links to the “many” posters that have called Webb an all star this offseason. Hell, I’d settle for just some of the links calling him an all star.
Oh wait, you’re completely making that up, right? Yes, of course you are because it hasn’t happened one single time. Why do you have to make shit up?
You’re kidding, right? Simply scroll back through the last five months of lead threads and you will find posters comparing Webb anything from Montana to Brady. Many were convinced that because he worked hard and followed Manning around like a “puppy dog” that he must be great. Seriously, don’t claim revisionist history.
The only revisionist history here is your own.
You literally made up narratives out of thin air that don't exist and never existed regarding Webb.
Many were convinced that because he worked hard and followed Eli around he must be great?
I'm not even sure I saw ONE person make that assumption here, let alone "many."
Webb's name also has never been put in the same sentence as Brady/Montana seriously by anyone here that I've ever seen.
if you're going to make claims like this, at least back them up with some proof.
Problem is, you won't be able to because people weren't saying these things and if anyone did, it was either tongue in cheek or some one-off delusional poster. It's nowhere near the majority opinion or common opinion you're making it out to be.
This is a crappy way to argue and try to convey a point. It holds no water.
LOL. The real issue is: who is Davis Webb to the Giants? Answer: Not anyone Giants management considered during draft preparations when thinking about Manning's eventual replacement.
He's a third round project. Nothing right or wrong about that. He has a canon for an arm. Great attitude. Works hard. And wow, wouldn't it be nice if he developed enough to solidify a long term career for himself in the NFL. But for now he does not belong in any real conversation about being the future replacement for Eli Manning. And it would be unfair to impose those expectations upon him. He's a third round pick who is playing like a third round pick (Mayfield provided the stark comparison of what a first round pick looks like).
That doesn't change that the types of posts this poster is claiming were made really didn't exist. It's a stupid way to try conveying a point.
It's not even "research" - it's crap.
It says Webb had a bad pre-season game. Anyone who watched would already know that.