"Adams is trending towards being a player that has tools, but just isn’t developing the way he needs to. "
This was the same complaint his South Carolina coaches had of him.
Jerrell appears to be a great example of a player who will put out just enough effort to stay on the team; but not one iota more. In the classroom they used to call this "settling for the Gentleman's C".
I was hoping the extra competition at TE would light a fire under him this year because he has good potential, but it didn't seem to help.
one has to wonder, why bringing DRC back to play safety isn't a bad idea. He has the speed and athletic ability to play the middle of the field. Also have to wonder, maybe he was more of a culture/locker room issue than everyone realizes?
Now that was a depressing read. Sobering analysis of our defense. Â
Than the NYG. Let’s be frank, they dominated the NYG the other night. Most teams the NYG face this year will likely have the talent edge. The major equalizer is the NYG have Beckham and, if he is as advertised, Barkley to maybe swing some games in their favor.
First, Koehn kicked the XP, not Rosas. Secondly, you mentioned Lauletta’s quick release helping him, but there are many that think his wind-up is hampering him in that respect. Did you see something otherwise?
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and a guy whom I personally have overlooked and underestimated the past two years is DE-Kerry Wynn. This guy is better in this defense than he was as a 4-3 DE. He just keeps putting himself in good position to make plays. Now if he actually starts making those plays we might have something. He stood out to me in this game.
Some love for Ray Ray. He's not a big plugger but the dude can run and hit and chase.
Agree that Hernandez struggled, he looked lost at times and a little shocked that his power didn't dominate. He's going to have to work on recognition and technique before he worries about bullying people. He's got the goods, but it's not surprising he struggled in his debut alongside a brand new OC with no game experience at the position.
Vernon was a disappointment yet again, I'll give him a mulligan on that game but he did nothing in the pass rush dept.
Ray-Ray Armstrong and Tae Davis could be solid finds Â
I’m not worried about Hernandez based on limited action in a preseason game. He has room to improve, and he had solid production in college.
Yea, agreed. I'm just saying I'd much rather hear glowing reviews rather than someone like Sy putting Hernandez into his "dud" category. I mean, it's only one small sample and almost certainly meaningless - but that still doesn't mean I wouldn't prefer it to be otherwise.
First, Koehn kicked the XP, not Rosas. Secondly, you mentioned Lauletta’s quick release helping him, but there are many that think his wind-up is hampering him in that respect. Did you see something otherwise?
If you stopwatch Lauletta's release, he is well below the line he needs to be. The wind up isn't bad at all and one of the strengths he had on his report coming out of Richmond was the quick release. He is similar to Case Keenum there.
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I’m not worried about Hernandez based on limited action in a preseason game. He has room to improve, and he had solid production in college.
Yea, agreed. I'm just saying I'd much rather hear glowing reviews rather than someone like Sy putting Hernandez into his "dud" category. I mean, it's only one small sample and almost certainly meaningless - but that still doesn't mean I wouldn't prefer it to be otherwise.
To be fair, Sy wasn't high on Hernandez coming out. Don't know whether that colors his take on Hernandez in the preseason, but he also had Njoku higher than Engram coming out and is sticking with that take despite Engram's seemingly superior first season.
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I’m not worried about Hernandez based on limited action in a preseason game. He has room to improve, and he had solid production in college.
Yea, agreed. I'm just saying I'd much rather hear glowing reviews rather than someone like Sy putting Hernandez into his "dud" category. I mean, it's only one small sample and almost certainly meaningless - but that still doesn't mean I wouldn't prefer it to be otherwise.
To be fair, Sy wasn't high on Hernandez coming out. Don't know whether that colors his take on Hernandez in the preseason, but he also had Njoku higher than Engram coming out and is sticking with that take despite Engram's seemingly superior first season.
Who should replace Flowers as BBI's official whipping boy. Narrowing it down to Stewart or Webb, but thinking about it, I nominate the Giant safeties outside of Collins. They made Hughe Jackson and the Browns look like an offensive powerhouse.
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I’m not worried about Hernandez based on limited action in a preseason game. He has room to improve, and he had solid production in college.
Yea, agreed. I'm just saying I'd much rather hear glowing reviews rather than someone like Sy putting Hernandez into his "dud" category. I mean, it's only one small sample and almost certainly meaningless - but that still doesn't mean I wouldn't prefer it to be otherwise.
To be fair, Sy wasn't high on Hernandez coming out. Don't know whether that colors his take on Hernandez in the preseason, but he also had Njoku higher than Engram coming out and is sticking with that take despite Engram's seemingly superior first season.
Thats fair. I don't think it impacts my evaluation of him missing blocks and having his hands too wide, allowing a would-be sack if Garrett didn't get offsides etc. I try to be as objective there as possible.
The Njoku vs. Engram debate is going to take a couple years at least...as they are very different players. They're both very good, however and NYG should be more than happy with Engram. Njoku still has more developing to do when it comes to simple skill sets and body control.
First, Koehn kicked the XP, not Rosas. Secondly, you mentioned Lauletta’s quick release helping him, but there are many that think his wind-up is hampering him in that respect. Did you see something otherwise?
If you stopwatch Lauletta's release, he is well below the line he needs to be. The wind up isn't bad at all and one of the strengths he had on his report coming out of Richmond was the quick release. He is similar to Case Keenum there.
Good to hear. Thx Sy
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Than the NYG. Let’s be frank, they dominated the NYG the other night. Most teams the NYG face this year will likely have the talent edge. The major equalizer is the NYG have Beckham and, if he is as advertised, Barkley to maybe swing some games in their favor.
Cleveland has more talent than the vast majority of teams when it comes to depth. All those picks and cap space that they've put to work over the past 2-3 years adds up. This is what shows up in a preseason game when your starters play 2 series. As usual in the NFL, it'll come down to health because the Giants are sorely lacking when it comes to depth.
Than the NYG. Let’s be frank, they dominated the NYG the other night. Most teams the NYG face this year will likely have the talent edge. The major equalizer is the NYG have Beckham and, if he is as advertised, Barkley to maybe swing some games in their favor.
I'm puzzled by this comment. Which part of the game did you watch and think the Giants were "dominated" and that it was due a talent imbalance between the 2 teams? I know people dismissed it as excuse making, but the "game-planning" was a real issue. I'm fairly certain the Giants weren't prepared to see 7 men rushing the passer on a given play with their first unit or 9 men within 6 yards of the LOS on Barkley's long run. I'm also fairly certain that very few, if any other team, ran no-huddle offense with their first unit in week 1 of preseason. The Browns averaged a yard and a half per carry in the game. The Giants averaged 4.8 YPC outside of Barkley's runs.
Sy is not a fan of Hernandez. He ranked him far lower than virtually everyone else. With all due respect to Sy, I don't expect a positive review concerning Will. For the most part Eli had a pocket to step up into. That's the guards and center, so his pass blocking couldn't have been too bad. He has the All-22 tape so I defer to him- for the moment.
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I noticed him a couple times getting pushed around a bit more than I was expecting. I hadn't rewatched so I wasn't sure how he did overall.
For a guy who's been compared to Snee - no way. Snee was dominant right away. Strong as a bull and athletic. Let's hope Hernandez plays faster as he gains experience.
I watched the game and I didn't see much negative about Hernandez and Matt Lomabrdo from NJ.com graded him out as an "A" and I heard others say he played well. I am going to re-watch every play and see if he played poorly
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I’m not worried about Hernandez based on limited action in a preseason game. He has room to improve, and he had solid production in college.
Yea, agreed. I'm just saying I'd much rather hear glowing reviews rather than someone like Sy putting Hernandez into his "dud" category. I mean, it's only one small sample and almost certainly meaningless - but that still doesn't mean I wouldn't prefer it to be otherwise.
To be fair, Sy wasn't high on Hernandez coming out. Don't know whether that colors his take on Hernandez in the preseason, but he also had Njoku higher than Engram coming out and is sticking with that take despite Engram's seemingly superior first season.
Thats fair. I don't think it impacts my evaluation of him missing blocks and having his hands too wide, allowing a would-be sack if Garrett didn't get offsides etc. I try to be as objective there as possible.
The Njoku vs. Engram debate is going to take a couple years at least...as they are very different players. They're both very good, however and NYG should be more than happy with Engram. Njoku still has more developing to do when it comes to simple skill sets and body control.
I thought it was Solder who would've given up the would be sack on the Garrett off sides. Could've sworn he came right around the edge on him by getting that off sides early jump.
And clamored for him from the beginning, but he did struggle a bit in the browns game. He got be on an inside spin move that would have resulted in a sack if not for the offsides on another player, and missed a key block on a linebacker on one of barkley’s negative runs.
With that said, im not concerned at all as I think the kid is super talented but the key is to be objective and I agree with SY in that Hernandez dod struggle a little
I also re watched the game tape and agree that Hernandez struggled somewhat. It seemed like he struggled to square up against the D linemen when they shot the gap. Hernandez was caught lunging trying to locate his man. He just looked a bit unsettled on most plays. Not sure if the Browns defensive front is especially talented, but color me concerned. I will be focusing him against the Lions.
SB made that run on his own, not because of the blocking of the OL(what would Gallman/Stewart get on that play?)....
I am afraid that this OL will not be ready for the first game....just too many new pieces, new OL coach, and counting on Flowers to get it, a rookie to just come in and play lights out, an average RG, and possibly rotating centers.....outside of the LT, nothing is set in stone, but because of lack of players, they will be forced to be used....
If this OL can't give Eli some semblance of blocking, it makes no difference what we have for weapons....big plays will be made, but sustained drives will not be the norm....there is more than one weak link in this OL, and it can come from just about any position in the line.......
It's pure fantasy to expect an OL, with new players at every position, to consistently work together as one unit....opposing defenses will mix it up against these guys and do it over and over again, until we show we can stop it.....I remember a couple years ago, the OL could not handle stunts over center, and the opposition did it week after week....
I have no idea how go this OL coach is.....but he has his work cut out for him...
I think our LB'ers will be strong against the run, but will be abused in the passing game....
We have one corner, and no backups....FS is a joke, as it has been for years....
If this defense can't pressure the qb, those weaknesses will be magnified...
This team has to show marked improvement over the next 3 games, and that means the starters have to play full quarters, and maybe even a half, to get some cohesiveness....
This team is either going to shock the NFL(if everything falls into place), or it may be another losing season....and if it's the latter, some huge decisions will have to be made after the season is over......
And the OBj situation, can have a dramatic affect on this team.....if he does not play in the preseason without an extension, it does not bode well for this offense.....
Management may hold the line on his demands, if he is still talking QB money, or wants too much guaranteed.....he is basically signed for this year and next with the tag as an option, and how he may handle that is anyone's guess.....An unhappy OBj makes for an ugly season....
I'm not concerned about Hernandez being a legit pro player, I'm VERY concerned about him not getting the high level coaching that he needs to succeed at this level.
I watched a pre draft video on him , several months ago. The comments centered on his not knowing how to place his hands on the opponent and not knowing how to get low enough. He basically looks like the same guy he was in college (dominant there, but not good enough, up here).
Against top pros, you can't expect to out-wrestle them with pure strength, it's very much about technique
Sy to be objective, even if he hasn't really liked a player too much coming out:
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Sy is not a fan of Hernandez. He ranked him far lower than virtually everyone else. With all due respect to Sy, I don't expect a positive review concerning Will. For the most part Eli had a pocket to step up into. That's the guards and center, so his pass blocking couldn't have been too bad. He has the All-22 tape so I defer to him- for the moment.
If you look at his detailed breakdown, he gives Hernandez positive marks and negative marks and explains how he came to that decision. It's really not overly negative - more of a mixed bag of a performance.
Seeing that we struggled in pass protection and also on having defenders in the backfield on numerous plays, I don't think it is too far off the mark
I agree, safety looks like the big issue.
Two places of difference with some other observers I noticed:
The missed long pass was on Raymond, not Webb, which was the way I saw it.
Adams' blocking not a strength.
This was the same complaint his South Carolina coaches had of him.
Jerrell appears to be a great example of a player who will put out just enough effort to stay on the team; but not one iota more. In the classroom they used to call this "settling for the Gentleman's C".
I was hoping the extra competition at TE would light a fire under him this year because he has good potential, but it didn't seem to help.
Safety might not be so bad once Gay and Riley come back. Thompson stinks.5
I think the OL played better.....center can not miss blitz.
Stewart was much more of a dud than Hernandez.
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Stewart was much more of a dud than Hernandez.
But Hernandez is much more important to team success than Stewart.
Agree that Hernandez struggled, he looked lost at times and a little shocked that his power didn't dominate. He's going to have to work on recognition and technique before he worries about bullying people. He's got the goods, but it's not surprising he struggled in his debut alongside a brand new OC with no game experience at the position.
Vernon was a disappointment yet again, I'll give him a mulligan on that game but he did nothing in the pass rush dept.
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The Giants desperately need him to live up to the hype.
Stewart was much more of a dud than Hernandez.
But Hernandez is much more important to team success than Stewart.
I’m not worried about Hernandez based on limited action in a preseason game. He has room to improve, and he had solid production in college.
Stewart, on the other hand, is a veteran who runs in quicksand. The upside isn’t there. And his negative play was far more apparent than Hernandez.
Yea, agreed. I'm just saying I'd much rather hear glowing reviews rather than someone like Sy putting Hernandez into his "dud" category. I mean, it's only one small sample and almost certainly meaningless - but that still doesn't mean I wouldn't prefer it to be otherwise.
If you stopwatch Lauletta's release, he is well below the line he needs to be. The wind up isn't bad at all and one of the strengths he had on his report coming out of Richmond was the quick release. He is similar to Case Keenum there.
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I’m not worried about Hernandez based on limited action in a preseason game. He has room to improve, and he had solid production in college.
Yea, agreed. I'm just saying I'd much rather hear glowing reviews rather than someone like Sy putting Hernandez into his "dud" category. I mean, it's only one small sample and almost certainly meaningless - but that still doesn't mean I wouldn't prefer it to be otherwise.
To be fair, Sy wasn't high on Hernandez coming out. Don't know whether that colors his take on Hernandez in the preseason, but he also had Njoku higher than Engram coming out and is sticking with that take despite Engram's seemingly superior first season.
Sy put together a good writeup of that game.
Lets leave the rest to time...
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I’m not worried about Hernandez based on limited action in a preseason game. He has room to improve, and he had solid production in college.
Yea, agreed. I'm just saying I'd much rather hear glowing reviews rather than someone like Sy putting Hernandez into his "dud" category. I mean, it's only one small sample and almost certainly meaningless - but that still doesn't mean I wouldn't prefer it to be otherwise.
To be fair, Sy wasn't high on Hernandez coming out. Don't know whether that colors his take on Hernandez in the preseason, but he also had Njoku higher than Engram coming out and is sticking with that take despite Engram's seemingly superior first season.
Yeah, I noticed that too.
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I’m not worried about Hernandez based on limited action in a preseason game. He has room to improve, and he had solid production in college.
Yea, agreed. I'm just saying I'd much rather hear glowing reviews rather than someone like Sy putting Hernandez into his "dud" category. I mean, it's only one small sample and almost certainly meaningless - but that still doesn't mean I wouldn't prefer it to be otherwise.
To be fair, Sy wasn't high on Hernandez coming out. Don't know whether that colors his take on Hernandez in the preseason, but he also had Njoku higher than Engram coming out and is sticking with that take despite Engram's seemingly superior first season.
Thats fair. I don't think it impacts my evaluation of him missing blocks and having his hands too wide, allowing a would-be sack if Garrett didn't get offsides etc. I try to be as objective there as possible.
The Njoku vs. Engram debate is going to take a couple years at least...as they are very different players. They're both very good, however and NYG should be more than happy with Engram. Njoku still has more developing to do when it comes to simple skill sets and body control.
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First, Koehn kicked the XP, not Rosas. Secondly, you mentioned Lauletta’s quick release helping him, but there are many that think his wind-up is hampering him in that respect. Did you see something otherwise?
If you stopwatch Lauletta's release, he is well below the line he needs to be. The wind up isn't bad at all and one of the strengths he had on his report coming out of Richmond was the quick release. He is similar to Case Keenum there.
Good to hear. Thx Sy
Cleveland has more talent than the vast majority of teams when it comes to depth. All those picks and cap space that they've put to work over the past 2-3 years adds up. This is what shows up in a preseason game when your starters play 2 series. As usual in the NFL, it'll come down to health because the Giants are sorely lacking when it comes to depth.
I'm puzzled by this comment. Which part of the game did you watch and think the Giants were "dominated" and that it was due a talent imbalance between the 2 teams? I know people dismissed it as excuse making, but the "game-planning" was a real issue. I'm fairly certain the Giants weren't prepared to see 7 men rushing the passer on a given play with their first unit or 9 men within 6 yards of the LOS on Barkley's long run. I'm also fairly certain that very few, if any other team, ran no-huddle offense with their first unit in week 1 of preseason. The Browns averaged a yard and a half per carry in the game. The Giants averaged 4.8 YPC outside of Barkley's runs.
It s one of the reason I was behind the idea of a young quarterback and a rebuild as opposed to a reload.
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For a guy who's been compared to Snee - no way. Snee was dominant right away. Strong as a bull and athletic. Let's hope Hernandez plays faster as he gains experience.
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I’m not worried about Hernandez based on limited action in a preseason game. He has room to improve, and he had solid production in college.
Yea, agreed. I'm just saying I'd much rather hear glowing reviews rather than someone like Sy putting Hernandez into his "dud" category. I mean, it's only one small sample and almost certainly meaningless - but that still doesn't mean I wouldn't prefer it to be otherwise.
To be fair, Sy wasn't high on Hernandez coming out. Don't know whether that colors his take on Hernandez in the preseason, but he also had Njoku higher than Engram coming out and is sticking with that take despite Engram's seemingly superior first season.
Thats fair. I don't think it impacts my evaluation of him missing blocks and having his hands too wide, allowing a would-be sack if Garrett didn't get offsides etc. I try to be as objective there as possible.
The Njoku vs. Engram debate is going to take a couple years at least...as they are very different players. They're both very good, however and NYG should be more than happy with Engram. Njoku still has more developing to do when it comes to simple skill sets and body control.
I thought it was Solder who would've given up the would be sack on the Garrett off sides. Could've sworn he came right around the edge on him by getting that off sides early jump.
With that said, im not concerned at all as I think the kid is super talented but the key is to be objective and I agree with SY in that Hernandez dod struggle a little
I am afraid that this OL will not be ready for the first game....just too many new pieces, new OL coach, and counting on Flowers to get it, a rookie to just come in and play lights out, an average RG, and possibly rotating centers.....outside of the LT, nothing is set in stone, but because of lack of players, they will be forced to be used....
If this OL can't give Eli some semblance of blocking, it makes no difference what we have for weapons....big plays will be made, but sustained drives will not be the norm....there is more than one weak link in this OL, and it can come from just about any position in the line.......
It's pure fantasy to expect an OL, with new players at every position, to consistently work together as one unit....opposing defenses will mix it up against these guys and do it over and over again, until we show we can stop it.....I remember a couple years ago, the OL could not handle stunts over center, and the opposition did it week after week....
I have no idea how go this OL coach is.....but he has his work cut out for him...
We have one corner, and no backups....FS is a joke, as it has been for years....
If this defense can't pressure the qb, those weaknesses will be magnified...
This team has to show marked improvement over the next 3 games, and that means the starters have to play full quarters, and maybe even a half, to get some cohesiveness....
This team is either going to shock the NFL(if everything falls into place), or it may be another losing season....and if it's the latter, some huge decisions will have to be made after the season is over......
And the OBj situation, can have a dramatic affect on this team.....if he does not play in the preseason without an extension, it does not bode well for this offense.....
Management may hold the line on his demands, if he is still talking QB money, or wants too much guaranteed.....he is basically signed for this year and next with the tag as an option, and how he may handle that is anyone's guess.....An unhappy OBj makes for an ugly season....
We better hope this gets worked out quickly....
but what is said around here when it comes time, "you dont draft on need"
I watched a pre draft video on him , several months ago. The comments centered on his not knowing how to place his hands on the opponent and not knowing how to get low enough. He basically looks like the same guy he was in college (dominant there, but not good enough, up here).
Against top pros, you can't expect to out-wrestle them with pure strength, it's very much about technique
There are still several unsigned FAs out there now.
Dave on the UWS : 8/12/2018 8:12 pm : link : reply
Sy is not a fan of Hernandez. He ranked him far lower than virtually everyone else. With all due respect to Sy, I don't expect a positive review concerning Will. For the most part Eli had a pocket to step up into. That's the guards and center, so his pass blocking couldn't have been too bad. He has the All-22 tape so I defer to him- for the moment.
If you look at his detailed breakdown, he gives Hernandez positive marks and negative marks and explains how he came to that decision. It's really not overly negative - more of a mixed bag of a performance.
Seeing that we struggled in pass protection and also on having defenders in the backfield on numerous plays, I don't think it is too far off the mark
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There are still several unsigned FAs out there now.
Cans Dez Bryant plays safety?