The backup this year after preseason, what veteran QB’s do you think might be cap casualties of other teams that we could pick up? Hypothetical question as I expect at least one of them to show something in the next few games.
I agree, that’s why this is hypothetical. If anyone were to be cut it would be Webb if he looked awful all of preseason since Lauletta is a rookie and a pick of this regime. I am asking because I follow the Giants, but am not as in tune as some on here may be with the backups from other teams.
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because that is what it is probably going to take. Look at our cap and our needs in the secondary and along the OL.
Cap room is pretty easy to create if you need to sign someone. The NFL salary cap has a lot of wiggle room with converting salary to signing bonuses, etc. Money wouldn’t be an issue if they saw a real glaring need.
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because that is what it is probably going to take. Look at our cap and our needs in the secondary and along the OL.
Cap room is pretty easy to create if you need to sign someone. The NFL salary cap has a lot of wiggle room with converting salary to signing bonuses, etc. Money wouldn’t be an issue if they saw a real glaring need.
I know how the cap works. Lets not be extremely hypothetical in every aspect. The hypothetical is what vet QB can become available. With that, lets now get into reality. My point, as stated above, is that OL and our secondary will continue to be looked at to be upgraded hence probably requiring more money so saying we can just create more cap room is not as easy as just making it out to be. Also, most backup vet QBs are making mulitimillions of dollars not less than a million. So, again, find me a list of all the vet backup QBs in the league and tell me which ones seem affordable. Bridgewater is making 6 mil. Chase Daniel if I am not mistaken is making like 5 mil.
Its a waste of cap and/or resources. Winning 3 of 4 with eli out isn't any more likely with the field than it is with either of those 2. If he misses significant time our season is over anyways and getting a look at the younger guys in actual games is probably more worthwhile anyhow.
Still available. I am surprised no one brought up drafting Darnold so we don't have this issue. After all we got a full two quarters of the first preseason game to decide if these guys can play and are Gold Jacket bound.
He's already on the roster...his name is Alex Tanney. Â
I doubt it. Geno went 218 yards, 9.4 Y/A, 88.7 QB rating with the 3rd team. Geramy Davis was at fault for an INT but redeemed himself for a TD. All things considered, Geno is way better than Webb and Lauletta.
I had an open mind to Geno from the beginning and think he would have been a good bridge QB for us. Maybe Webb and Lauletta will develop, but right now...
Second-year quarterback Davis Webb entered the preseason with lofty expectations. The Giants had been talking the Cal product up throughout the entire offseason. Maybe, he could actually be the heir-apparent to Eli Manning under center. That was about as premature as this one scribe sliding into Carrie Underwood’s direct messages. Webb was absolutely horrible in his preseason debut, showing himself unable to hit the broad end of any receiver’s back side. He completed just 9-of-22 passes for 70 yards in extensive action.
It’s now readily apparent that New York might have to look at the veteran free agent market for a backup to Manning. Webb isn’t going to cut it. And while impressive in his limited action, rookie mid-round pick Kyle Lauletta is just too raw to be relied on in the regular season. Colin Kaepernick, anyone?
Again, it's wrong to set such unreasonable expectations. Talking about Webb as Manning's heir apparent when he is a third round rookie who has never taken a snap in a regular season game is not just silly - it unfairly sets him up to fail. Give the kid a fucking chance - a few seasons to grow. But stop the madness of talking about him about as Manning's replacement. One step at a time. Let's first hope he shows he deserves an extended stay in the league. Once he does that, maybe he shows he can be more than a backup. But give the kid a chance to prove himself on the field before setting expectations. Link - ( New Window )
If Both Look Incapable Of Being An Adequate Backup Â
The Giants might be able to stash Lauletta on Injured Reserve with a "mystery injury", sign a veteran and have Webb be #3.
Unlikely and I wouldn't want it to happen, but I can't see the Giants having 4 QBs on the roster during the regular season and I also don't see them cutting either Webb or Lauletta. My guess is if Lauletta were placed on the practice squad some team might pick him up.
Very likely it will be Eli, Webb and Lauletta in 2018.
I like the Giants and players that might help the Giants. You insult players like Geno to feed a sick lust for Eli. Every time I make a post which includes Geno, you make a bad reply back like some kind of whack-a-mole
Second-year quarterback Davis Webb entered the preseason with lofty expectations. The Giants had been talking the Cal product up throughout the entire offseason. Maybe, he could actually be the heir-apparent to Eli Manning under center. That was about as premature as this one scribe sliding into Carrie Underwood’s direct messages. Webb was absolutely horrible in his preseason debut, showing himself unable to hit the broad end of any receiver’s back side. He completed just 9-of-22 passes for 70 yards in extensive action.
It’s now readily apparent that New York might have to look at the veteran free agent market for a backup to Manning. Webb isn’t going to bcut it. And while impressive in his limited action, rookie mid-round pick Kyle Lauletta is just too raw to be relied on in the regular season. Colin Kaepernick, anyone?
Again, it's wrong to set such unreasonable expectations. Talking about Webb as Manning's heir apparent when he is a third round rookie who has never taken a snap in a regular season game is not just silly - it unfairly sets him up to fail. Give the kid a fucking chance - a few seasons to grow. But stop the madness of talking about him about as Manning's replacement. One step at a time. Let's first hope he shows he deserves an extended stay in the league. Once he does that, maybe he shows he can be more than a backup. But give the kid a chance to prove himself on the field before setting expectations. Link - ( New Window )
If Eli goes down, albeit unlikely by the way he plays, then there is no reason not to just play and wear out Webb and/or Lauletta. I know nobody likes a season in the tank but we move right back up the draft chart and look for our next star. At QB or another position.
We haven't had a need for a vet backup in some time...
FatMan in Charlotte : 8:36 am : link : reply
and I don't see that changing.
We rolled with Nassib and Lorenzen. We can roll with Webb and Lauletta.
That's because Eli is an iron man....but the older he gets, the armor gets a little weaker....
And we haven't really needed a backup, because this team has not been a serious contender....you really need a backup, if you are a contender and if your qb goes down....
At this moment in time, this team is not a contender, so a backup this year, is not essential....
But, if Eli is injured/does not perform this year, and these guys are thrown into the fire, and they show nothing, the future of the NY Giants is in trouble at the qb position....
Only time will tell what was the better decision for the future of this franchise, taking Barkley or first choice of the rest of those qb's......if just one of them becomes a stud, how long will it take this franchise to recover from that?
(waste of money) this year. If Eli gets hurt, they will roll with Webb. They will need to see given reps what they really have in either Webb or Lauletta. The Giants are not going anywhere this year. They still have holes to fill. Losing to a better draft pick is not the worst thing that can happen.
Shurmur has done a great job in the past maximizing QB’s talents which is one of the reasons I was so excited about hiring him. Now I am not willing to get rid of Webb so quickly. Give both QB’s the year to learn under Shurmur and see where they are at the end of the year. For the record I was never a fan of Webb but I want to see how he develops this year. If he doesn’t develop much this year then he should be let go after the season with Lauletta becoming the backup.
it doesn't appear the 2018 QB class had the goods as projected before the 2017 season ...
There will be 4 guys who will either be home runs or failures.
Shea Patterson - transferring to Michigan. Hurt last year. Needs a huge year.
Justin Herbert - Has measurables and mobility. But coming from Oregons wacky offense and was hurt last year (albeit non throwing arm.)
Drew Lock - huge arm. No defense conference. Cocky beyond belief.
Jarret Stindham - arm strength a question. Numbers dont back up hype. Plays tough conference. Needs a big year.
Lauletta, no, but I wouldn't be so certain about Webb. We shouldn't overreact to one game, but if he continues to play poorly, I cannot see the Giants opening the season with he and Lauletta backing up Eli. This administration has no history with Webb, and I don't think they would hesitate to move on.
It is confounding that there are still a few posters who continue to fellate Geno Fucking Smith! Good arm, throws a nice ball, until there are defenders at his feet, and then he throws it to the wrong colored jersey.
it doesn't appear the 2018 QB class had the goods as projected before the 2017 season ...
There will be 4 guys who will either be home runs or failures.
Shea Patterson - transferring to Michigan. Hurt last year. Needs a huge year.
Justin Herbert - Has measurables and mobility. But coming from Oregons wacky offense and was hurt last year (albeit non throwing arm.)
Drew Lock - huge arm. No defense conference. Cocky beyond belief.
Jarret Stindham - arm strength a question. Numbers dont back up hype. Plays tough conference. Needs a big year.
Even if none rise to the top in 2019, still can't force the pick. Gotta believe in the next kid.
Eli has 2 years left on contract. We all know the positives and negatives of Eli.
The Giants have 2 years to figure out if either of the guys can play.
Reality; Giants will be drafting in top 1/3 of draft after this season They can stock up on top OL/DL/LB's. Build from within and you can win with a slightly above average QB.
If Giants draft well and get correct FA's they will be competitive next year.
I agree, that’s why this is hypothetical. If anyone were to be cut it would be Webb if he looked awful all of preseason since Lauletta is a rookie and a pick of this regime. I am asking because I follow the Giants, but am not as in tune as some on here may be with the backups from other teams.
Cap room is pretty easy to create if you need to sign someone. The NFL salary cap has a lot of wiggle room with converting salary to signing bonuses, etc. Money wouldn’t be an issue if they saw a real glaring need.
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because that is what it is probably going to take. Look at our cap and our needs in the secondary and along the OL.
Cap room is pretty easy to create if you need to sign someone. The NFL salary cap has a lot of wiggle room with converting salary to signing bonuses, etc. Money wouldn’t be an issue if they saw a real glaring need.
I know how the cap works. Lets not be extremely hypothetical in every aspect. The hypothetical is what vet QB can become available. With that, lets now get into reality. My point, as stated above, is that OL and our secondary will continue to be looked at to be upgraded hence probably requiring more money so saying we can just create more cap room is not as easy as just making it out to be. Also, most backup vet QBs are making mulitimillions of dollars not less than a million. So, again, find me a list of all the vet backup QBs in the league and tell me which ones seem affordable. Bridgewater is making 6 mil. Chase Daniel if I am not mistaken is making like 5 mil.
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If at the end of this season, Shurmur doen't like either QB, then yes, I can see them going veteran QB shopping.
Jared has the same chances as any other vet qb, btw...zero. They are going with what we have.
With this roster and situation, probably best to let the kids show if they are NFL caliber, and look forward to 2019.
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I doubt it. Geno went 218 yards, 9.4 Y/A, 88.7 QB rating with the 3rd team. Geramy Davis was at fault for an INT but redeemed himself for a TD. All things considered, Geno is way better than Webb and Lauletta.
I had an open mind to Geno from the beginning and think he would have been a good bridge QB for us. Maybe Webb and Lauletta will develop, but right now...
Elgoman likes Geno more than I like Eli.
Second-year quarterback Davis Webb entered the preseason with lofty expectations. The Giants had been talking the Cal product up throughout the entire offseason. Maybe, he could actually be the heir-apparent to Eli Manning under center. That was about as premature as this one scribe sliding into Carrie Underwood’s direct messages. Webb was absolutely horrible in his preseason debut, showing himself unable to hit the broad end of any receiver’s back side. He completed just 9-of-22 passes for 70 yards in extensive action.
It’s now readily apparent that New York might have to look at the veteran free agent market for a backup to Manning. Webb isn’t going to cut it. And while impressive in his limited action, rookie mid-round pick Kyle Lauletta is just too raw to be relied on in the regular season. Colin Kaepernick, anyone?
Again, it's wrong to set such unreasonable expectations. Talking about Webb as Manning's heir apparent when he is a third round rookie who has never taken a snap in a regular season game is not just silly - it unfairly sets him up to fail. Give the kid a fucking chance - a few seasons to grow. But stop the madness of talking about him about as Manning's replacement. One step at a time. Let's first hope he shows he deserves an extended stay in the league. Once he does that, maybe he shows he can be more than a backup. But give the kid a chance to prove himself on the field before setting expectations.
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Unlikely and I wouldn't want it to happen, but I can't see the Giants having 4 QBs on the roster during the regular season and I also don't see them cutting either Webb or Lauletta. My guess is if Lauletta were placed on the practice squad some team might pick him up.
Very likely it will be Eli, Webb and Lauletta in 2018.
You are always wrong. The INT was the receiver's fault not Geno's. The fumble was the backup tackles fault, not Geno's.
The TD throw was nice. Geno couldnt step up with a linemen in front so he opted for ball placement and a back shoulder pass. Great execution.
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lord, some of you are simply clueless...
Elgoman likes Geno more than I like Eli.
I like the Giants and players that might help the Giants. You insult players like Geno to feed a sick lust for Eli. Every time I make a post which includes Geno, you make a bad reply back like some kind of whack-a-mole
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lord, some of you are simply clueless...
Elgoman likes Geno more than I like Eli.
My comment still stands...
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Second-year quarterback Davis Webb entered the preseason with lofty expectations. The Giants had been talking the Cal product up throughout the entire offseason. Maybe, he could actually be the heir-apparent to Eli Manning under center. That was about as premature as this one scribe sliding into Carrie Underwood’s direct messages. Webb was absolutely horrible in his preseason debut, showing himself unable to hit the broad end of any receiver’s back side. He completed just 9-of-22 passes for 70 yards in extensive action.
It’s now readily apparent that New York might have to look at the veteran free agent market for a backup to Manning. Webb isn’t going to bcut it. And while impressive in his limited action, rookie mid-round pick Kyle Lauletta is just too raw to be relied on in the regular season. Colin Kaepernick, anyone?
Again, it's wrong to set such unreasonable expectations. Talking about Webb as Manning's heir apparent when he is a third round rookie who has never taken a snap in a regular season game is not just silly - it unfairly sets him up to fail. Give the kid a fucking chance - a few seasons to grow. But stop the madness of talking about him about as Manning's replacement. One step at a time. Let's first hope he shows he deserves an extended stay in the league. Once he does that, maybe he shows he can be more than a backup. But give the kid a chance to prove himself on the field before setting expectations. Link - ( New Window )
If Eli goes down, albeit unlikely by the way he plays, then there is no reason not to just play and wear out Webb and/or Lauletta. I know nobody likes a season in the tank but we move right back up the draft chart and look for our next star. At QB or another position.
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Was a woeful throw. He still sucks balls.
You are always wrong. The INT was the receiver's fault not Geno's. The fumble was the backup tackles fault, not Geno's.
The TD throw was nice. Geno couldnt step up with a linemen in front so he opted for ball placement and a back shoulder pass. Great execution.
This is actually sounds about the same as how many here speak of Eli.
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Was a woeful throw. He still sucks balls.
You are always wrong. The INT was the receiver's fault not Geno's. The fumble was the backup tackles fault, not Geno's.
The TD throw was nice. Geno couldnt step up with a linemen in front so he opted for ball placement and a back shoulder pass. Great execution.
LMAO. The sad thing is you really believe all of this is true.
Geno sucks balls.
We rolled with Nassib and Lorenzen. We can roll with Webb and Lauletta.
FatMan in Charlotte : 8:36 am : link : reply
and I don't see that changing.
We rolled with Nassib and Lorenzen. We can roll with Webb and Lauletta.
That's because Eli is an iron man....but the older he gets, the armor gets a little weaker....
And we haven't really needed a backup, because this team has not been a serious contender....you really need a backup, if you are a contender and if your qb goes down....
At this moment in time, this team is not a contender, so a backup this year, is not essential....
But, if Eli is injured/does not perform this year, and these guys are thrown into the fire, and they show nothing, the future of the NY Giants is in trouble at the qb position....
Only time will tell what was the better decision for the future of this franchise, taking Barkley or first choice of the rest of those qb's......if just one of them becomes a stud, how long will it take this franchise to recover from that?
There will be 4 guys who will either be home runs or failures.
Shea Patterson - transferring to Michigan. Hurt last year. Needs a huge year.
Justin Herbert - Has measurables and mobility. But coming from Oregons wacky offense and was hurt last year (albeit non throwing arm.)
Drew Lock - huge arm. No defense conference. Cocky beyond belief.
Jarret Stindham - arm strength a question. Numbers dont back up hype. Plays tough conference. Needs a big year.
Lauletta, no, but I wouldn't be so certain about Webb. We shouldn't overreact to one game, but if he continues to play poorly, I cannot see the Giants opening the season with he and Lauletta backing up Eli. This administration has no history with Webb, and I don't think they would hesitate to move on.
It is confounding that there are still a few posters who continue to fellate Geno Fucking Smith! Good arm, throws a nice ball, until there are defenders at his feet, and then he throws it to the wrong colored jersey.
Exactly. They have produced so many good QBs....
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it doesn't appear the 2018 QB class had the goods as projected before the 2017 season ...
There will be 4 guys who will either be home runs or failures.
Shea Patterson - transferring to Michigan. Hurt last year. Needs a huge year.
Justin Herbert - Has measurables and mobility. But coming from Oregons wacky offense and was hurt last year (albeit non throwing arm.)
Drew Lock - huge arm. No defense conference. Cocky beyond belief.
Jarret Stindham - arm strength a question. Numbers dont back up hype. Plays tough conference. Needs a big year.
Even if none rise to the top in 2019, still can't force the pick. Gotta believe in the next kid.
The Giants have 2 years to figure out if either of the guys can play.
Reality; Giants will be drafting in top 1/3 of draft after this season They can stock up on top OL/DL/LB's. Build from within and you can win with a slightly above average QB.
If Giants draft well and get correct FA's they will be competitive next year.
I believe Teddy Bridgewater and Shurmur have worked together. Not too far fetched if both of our young QBs don't pan out.