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This week of practice vs Lions is so KEY for game 1 vs Jags

SGMen : 8/13/2018 5:58 am
I have always loved the idea of "changing things up" and practicing vs another team. The Lions have some talent and will challenge us quite a bit.

Coming into the season, I felt that this was the "basic outline" of our team:

1. We would have a strong defense against the run. Big DL and I liked ILB BJ Goodson.
2. We would be gouged by good passing teams as we lack enough pass rushers and DB depth after Jenkins, Collins and Apple.
3. We would be a running team, much improved from last year only because last year we had 5 OL's who were backups on most any team at times starting! I believe Solder & Hernandez will give us strong blocking on the LEFT and Flowers will be a better RT than LT.
4. We have 4 major league weapons to throw to on offense and no team can consistently cover 4 guys. As long as we stay healthy, we should be able to throw the ball.
5. Special teams can only GO UP as last year was as bad a year as I can recall.

The basic outline remains for me after witnessing game 1 and reading the reports. We must, of course, stay healthy to achieve WINS cause we aren't deep on the OL, CB or WR.

My biggest question mark is Eli Manning. Yes, Eli. Why? He was clearly "feeling the rush" last year and releasing fast and making mistakes. Yes, the players around him were about as bad as he's ever had to play with but 37 year old legs may be part of the problem.

Dan Marino's arm was fine his last year but he could no longer side-step a pass rush, leaving him a target and unable to perform.
Troy Aikman, it is said, had the "deer in headlights" look and had to retire.

QB's get old so I pray Shurmur and company really know what they are doing and are sure the problem ain't Eli but the surrounding personnel.

If we stay healthy; if Eli has something left that is average at worst; and, if the team learns the system fast enough we could be fighting for a playoff spot this year. Lets see what happens in Detroit this week, esp. with Webb as Eli likely won't get enough reps to know much.
Good post  
Marty866b : 8/13/2018 7:39 am : link
Most here don't want to admit it but Eli is a pretty big question mark.
The OL  
Doomster : 8/13/2018 7:59 am : link
is still a bigger question mark than Eli.....
I love the idea of practicing with another team.  
George from PA : 8/13/2018 8:09 am : link
You can tell our defense and offense learned new things from cleveland game.

3 days vs Detroit ....with a decent Defensive minded HC.....should sharpen the OL.

I agree Eli must rebuild confidence and needs to undo some bad habits.....but if OL gets fix....everything should fall into place.

I feel Gettlemen got enough help to hold up the defensive backfield....if they stay healthy.....which has not exactly been healthy .....
Given the right odds in Vegas  
Dodge : 8/13/2018 8:16 am : link
I would put money down that Eli doesn't play the whole season.
RE: Given the right odds in Vegas  
arcarsenal : 8/13/2018 9:24 am : link
In comment 14037623 Dodge said:
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I would put money down that Eli doesn't play the whole season.


Unless he gets hurt, I'd feel pretty safe betting that he will.
RE: Given the right odds in Vegas  
SGMen : 8/13/2018 9:24 am : link
In comment 14037623 Dodge said:
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I would put money down that Eli doesn't play the whole season.
If the coaches feel Eli has "lost his MOJO" they may try Webb. I mean, if we start 0 - 4 AND it looks like Eli is that statue to attack, well, you try Webb and (gulp) Lauletta.

Our team rebuild takes on a WHOLE new meaning if the future / current QB isn't on the team right now.
RE: The OL  
SGMen : 8/13/2018 9:26 am : link
In comment 14037606 Doomster said:
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is still a bigger question mark than Eli.....
Maybe. The starters I think we can live with; however, if we get hit with multiple injuries we are in for another long year of Eli releasing in 2.7 or so seconds, fearing for his life.
Eli is a delecate situation  
UberAlias : 8/13/2018 9:28 am : link
The odds of him being a healthy non-start are very slim. Thought I do see him as a bit of a question mark, there are bigger questions for the team. The organization pushed their chips in the middle with Eli. They will sink or swim with him this season.
You put Joe Montania  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 8/13/2018 9:32 am : link
In our offense last year he would look horrible. Not exactly Rice, Craig, Rathman, Cross, Mcintyre, Walsh back there.
RE: Eli is a delecate situation  
SGMen : 8/13/2018 9:33 am : link
In comment 14037706 UberAlias said:
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The odds of him being a healthy non-start are very slim. Thought I do see him as a bit of a question mark, there are bigger questions for the team. The organization pushed their chips in the middle with Eli. They will sink or swim with him this season.
I agree with the sink or swim. I'd just **LOVE** to see Eli side-step a strong rush; plant his feet; and make a good throw just like he did in 2011, his best season. I just don't know if that guy exists in 2018. And if I'm being honest, I know he doesn't cause we haven't seen that in about two years (at least not consistently I don't think).
RE: You put Joe Montania  
chopperhatch : 8/13/2018 9:37 am : link
In comment 14037711 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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In our offense last year he would look horrible. Not exactly Rice, Craig, Rathman, Cross, Mcintyre, Walsh back there.


Who?

Chop..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/13/2018 9:42 am : link
maybe he meant this guy??

RE: RE: You put Joe Montania  
SGMen : 8/13/2018 9:47 am : link
In comment 14037719 chopperhatch said:
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In comment 14037711 Coach Red Beaulieu said:


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In our offense last year he would look horrible. Not exactly Rice, Craig, Rathman, Cross, Mcintyre, Walsh back there.



Who?

Oh, I agree. No QB was going to make much of a difference with that 2017 crew. John Elway, with his arm, would haven't sat back there long enough to see himself killed: too smart of a guy for that. Therefore, I'm hoping Eli is of the same vane here... hoping.
RE: RE: Eli is a delecate situation  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 8/13/2018 9:48 am : link
In comment 14037712 SGMen said:
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In comment 14037706 UberAlias said:


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The odds of him being a healthy non-start are very slim. Thought I do see him as a bit of a question mark, there are bigger questions for the team. The organization pushed their chips in the middle with Eli. They will sink or swim with him this season.

I agree with the sink or swim. I'd just **LOVE** to see Eli side-step a strong rush; plant his feet; and make a good throw just like he did in 2011, his best season. I just don't know if that guy exists in 2018. And if I'm being honest, I know he doesn't cause we haven't seen that in about two years (at least not consistently I don't think).

Hopefully Hernandez and Omameh is not being pushed into Eli'a shins all day. The only defebsive player I loathed us playing was Justin Smith, Eli has always been terrible when the front pocket is being pushed into him. Someone like Damarcus Ware would routinely turn Diehl into a turnstile, but he did not disrupt Eli constantly.
nah, it's this guy  
YAJ2112 : 8/13/2018 9:48 am : link
This week is important for Jags because it wiill be a tough week of  
SGMen : 8/13/2018 9:54 am : link
practice followed by a game that will have some "fire" to it.

The 3rd game, against the Jets, is usually the "get ready" game and still will have the starters playing the most snaps; however, I believe the Lions game will be quite telling for where we are as a team.

The Jags are talented but I feel that we can match up with them; by and large; IF we can protect Eli and stop their vaunted run game enough.
RE: This week is important for Jags because it wiill be a tough week of  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 8/13/2018 10:11 am : link
In comment 14037753 SGMen said:
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practice followed by a game that will have some "fire" to it.

The 3rd game, against the Jets, is usually the "get ready" game and still will have the starters playing the most snaps; however, I believe the Lions game will be quite telling for where we are as a team.

The Jags are talented but I feel that we can match up with them; by and large; IF we can protect Eli and stop their vaunted run game enough.

I think we're a good matchup against Jags, as Snacks is the anti-Ewok, he should neutralize Fournette.

Only question is if our giant black hole of a free safety will make Bortles look like Joe Montania.
Troy Aikman had so many concussions  
Simms11 : 8/13/2018 11:09 am : link
he probably forgot his own name. He retired due to those issues moreso. Eli still has the skill-set to get it done. The Oline has to get it done and he's got to have confidence in them.
RE: Troy Aikman had so many concussions  
SGMen : 8/13/2018 11:31 am : link
In comment 14037903 Simms11 said:
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he probably forgot his own name. He retired due to those issues moreso. Eli still has the skill-set to get it done. The Oline has to get it done and he's got to have confidence in them.
True. Eli has to feel at least reasonably safe to perform.
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