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NFT: Mets Minors 8/13/2018- Vientos remains red hot

DanMetroMan : 8/13/2018 7:18 am
AAA Conlon
A+ Gibbons
Col TBD
Kingsport Bryant
GCL TBD
DSL1
DSL2

AAA game 1
Brentz 4-5, HR, 2b
Dom 0-3, BB, 3 K's
Alonso 1-4, 2b, 2 k's
Bautista 2 innings 1 hit 0 runs 2 walks 1 k

Game 2
Alonso 2-3, HR, K (.400 5 homers 5 walks over his last 10)
Kaczmarski 0-3, 2 k's

AA
Toffey 1-5
Mazeika 3-3, HR, BB (.303 with 7 walks and a HR over his last 10, finally coming alive?)
Ryan 1 inning 3 hits 2 runs 0 walks 1 k
Nogosek 1 inning 1 hit 0 runs 0 walks 1 k (absolutely awful numbers in Bing)
Torres 1 perfect 1 k

A+
Carpio 1-3, HR, BB
Wright 0-3, 2 k's
Paez 1-4
Sanchez 1-4, K
Brodey 2-4, 2b
Vasquez 0-4, 3 k's
Cavallaro 6 innings 8 hits 2 runs 2 walks 5 k's

A
Manea 0-3, BB
Winaker 0-3, 2 BB (.351 with 3 homers over his last 10, oddly still in Columbia at soon to be 23)
Debora 7 innings 3 hits 1 run 1 walk 10 k's (25 in December so odds are they don't see him as a prospect still in Columbia but nice start)

BK
Adolph 1-4, 3b, K (42 games 8 triples)
Cortes 0-3, 2 k's
JMM 3-4
Meyer 0-3, K
Vilera 5 innings 4 hits 0 runs 1 walk 0 k's
Hill 1 inning 3 hits 0 runs 0 walks 1 k
Gilliam 1 inning 0 hits 0 runs 1 walk 2 k's

Kingsport
Kelenic 2-5, 2 k's
Newton 0-2, BB, K, SB
Santana 2-4, 2b, SB
Hernandez 1-5, 2b, 2 k's
Beracierta 0-2, 2 BB, K
Vientos 1-3, HR, 2 BB (.410 3 homers 8 walks over his last 10, RAGING hot)
Peden 7 innings 3 hits 0 runs 1 walk 5 k's
Tripp 1 perfect 1 k

GCL
Lindsay 0-2, 2 BB, K
Mauricio 0-5, K (.079 over his last 10, yuck
Consuerga 0-2, BB, K
Palmer 1-1, 2 BB, SB
Loaiza 3 innings 0 hits 0 runs 2 walks 2 k's
Santos 2 innings 1 hit 0 runs 0 walks 0 k's (16 years old)
I would cut Andrew Ely or J.J. Franco  
Mike in NY : 8/13/2018 7:36 am : link
Promote Paez to AA. That would open up space for Winaker in St. Lucie
RE: I would cut Andrew Ely or J.J. Franco  
DanMetroMan : 8/13/2018 7:54 am : link
In comment 14037598 Mike in NY said:
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Promote Paez to AA. That would open up space for Winaker in St. Lucie


Franco probably remains thanks to his dad but yeah dump Eli. Winaker is more deserving of a promotion than either Brodey or Tiberi were. Tiberi has been absolutely awful.
Anyone know anything about this wright kid?  
bhill410 : 8/13/2018 9:26 am : link
Any chance he sticks?
Hey DanMetroMan  
X : 8/13/2018 9:31 am : link
Do you mind telling me where you get this information from? Thanks
Dan  
Jay on the Island : 8/13/2018 9:35 am : link
Touki Toussaint is making his debut today.
RE: Hey DanMetroMan  
DanMetroMan : 8/13/2018 9:37 am : link
In comment 14037710 X said:
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Do you mind telling me where you get this information from? Thanks


Which information? The boxscores can be found at milb.com and you can click on MLB organizations to see "only" the Mets affiliates.
RE: Dan  
DanMetroMan : 8/13/2018 9:38 am : link
In comment 14037715 Jay on the Island said:
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Touki Toussaint is making his debut today.


One of the Braves really smart moves. Wish the Mets made moves like that.
Nimmo  
DanMetroMan : 8/13/2018 9:50 am : link
looks more like a nice complimentary player vs. the core piece he looked like earlier. Will be interesting to see how he finishes up.
RE: Nimmo  
Eric on Li : 8/13/2018 11:50 am : link
In comment 14037747 DanMetroMan said:
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looks more like a nice complimentary player vs. the core piece he looked like earlier. Will be interesting to see how he finishes up.


I think he's a guy who will be very dependant on how good the team around him is. Kind of like Gardner. I could see him hitting 1st or 2nd in a good lineup and being a very useful player, playing a good OF too.

I do not see him as a middle of the order hitter on a good team though.
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DanMetroMan : 8/13/2018 11:58 am : link
The Reinheimer promotion suggests the Mets have given up on Luis Guillorme #Mets
Sherman just posted an article with possible Bruce trades  
Eric on Li : 8/13/2018 12:09 pm : link
I like the Zimmerman and Melancon ideas.
Jay Bruce trades - ( New Window )
Reinheimer  
DanMetroMan : 8/13/2018 12:14 pm : link
over Michael (DL) or Colon is absurd.
On  
DanMetroMan : 8/13/2018 12:15 pm : link
what planet would Felix Hernandez okay a trade to the Mets? lol
RE: On  
Eric on Li : 8/13/2018 12:22 pm : link
In comment 14038015 DanMetroMan said:
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what planet would Felix Hernandez okay a trade to the Mets? lol


yea i dont think any of the deals involving ntc are likely given the mets situation right now.
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DanMetroMan : 8/13/2018 12:48 pm : link
Adrian Hernandez 1/2, now hitting almost .400 over his last 10 games to go with 4 walks and 3 homers. Andres Regnault 2-2, 3rd year in the DSL and still not brought over so... #Mets
Shecky  
DanMetroMan : 8/13/2018 1:02 pm : link
I know your policy is to not comment on injuries but given the news Rivera may not play this year, anything on Cecchini?
There’s really no real outcome  
ZGiants98 : 8/13/2018 2:00 pm : link
Where Nimmo would lose a starting spot next year based on a few reasons. One. It’s basically his first full season in the majors getting extended play so even if he stumbles to the finish line he would still likely get another crack to “adjusting to the leagues adjustments” on him mulligan. Two. Conforto has been worse all year long. If we are criticizing Nimmo based on a bad second half, how can we justify Conforto over a much larger sample who has struggled over huge samples in almost every season and has been close to awful this year? Three. Cespedes is out almost all of next year so Nimmo likely is our best bat heading into 2019 based on this year’s numbers, bad second half or not.

Unless we are bringing in three new starting caliber OF additions in the offseason, Nimmo is going to be penciled into a starting role next year regardless IMO. Whether we pencil him in as some future all star is another debate but he’s going to be safe for a while.

RE: There’s really no real outcome  
DanMetroMan : 8/13/2018 2:11 pm : link
In comment 14038143 ZGiants98 said:
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Where Nimmo would lose a starting spot next year based on a few reasons. One. It’s basically his first full season in the majors getting extended play so even if he stumbles to the finish line he would still likely get another crack to “adjusting to the leagues adjustments” on him mulligan. Two. Conforto has been worse all year long. If we are criticizing Nimmo based on a bad second half, how can we justify Conforto over a much larger sample who has struggled over huge samples in almost every season and has been close to awful this year? Three. Cespedes is out almost all of next year so Nimmo likely is our best bat heading into 2019 based on this year’s numbers, bad second half or not.

Unless we are bringing in three new starting caliber OF additions in the offseason, Nimmo is going to be penciled into a starting role next year regardless IMO. Whether we pencil him in as some future all star is another debate but he’s going to be safe for a while.


I don't disagree, nor am I really saying anything different than you are. My point was he was likely playing over his head. You and I had this discussion about 2 weeks ago and he's still not hitting. If he finishes up like this it's hard to be confident his hot streak represented the real player given his minor league numbers.
RE: RE: There’s really no real outcome  
ZGiants98 : 8/13/2018 2:16 pm : link
In comment 14038152 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 14038143 ZGiants98 said:


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Where Nimmo would lose a starting spot next year based on a few reasons. One. It’s basically his first full season in the majors getting extended play so even if he stumbles to the finish line he would still likely get another crack to “adjusting to the leagues adjustments” on him mulligan. Two. Conforto has been worse all year long. If we are criticizing Nimmo based on a bad second half, how can we justify Conforto over a much larger sample who has struggled over huge samples in almost every season and has been close to awful this year? Three. Cespedes is out almost all of next year so Nimmo likely is our best bat heading into 2019 based on this year’s numbers, bad second half or not.

Unless we are bringing in three new starting caliber OF additions in the offseason, Nimmo is going to be penciled into a starting role next year regardless IMO. Whether we pencil him in as some future all star is another debate but he’s going to be safe for a while.




I don't disagree, nor am I really saying anything different than you are. My point was he was likely playing over his head. You and I had this discussion about 2 weeks ago and he's still not hitting. If he finishes up like this it's hard to be confident his hot streak represented the real player given his minor league numbers.


Yup. And I get what you’re saying. “He can’t be counted on to be star yet” which is true. I just dont think there is any outcome where he would be in jeapordy of losing his job yet or even in 2019. If you’ve been watching the games still (I know it’s been tough lol) they were mentioning how Nimmo has been specifically working on a few things over the last month. The league clearly adjusted to him and started throwing up more. He’s now trying to work on going the other way more but overall this seems like normal growing pains stuff to me. He did have a game a few nights ago where he hit 3 doubles. We’ll see where he lands at the end of the year
Few things-  
DanMetroMan : 8/13/2018 2:25 pm : link
#1 BA's top 20 in the APPY the Mets should have 4 candidates. Kelenic (struggles aside), Newton, Vientos, Santana all seem like strong candidates. Santana might be dinged by 2b only (they tend to poorly on these lists), that being said the difference between #14 in the league and #21 (not listed) at that level of the minors is probably miniscule.


-Annoys me a guy like Wilson stays in BK because they are in a playoff race vs. giving him a look vs. better competition.

-Curious to see what the plans are for next season
I suspect Cortes is in St. Lucie at 2b. Who would block him? Tiberi who has been embarrassingly bad? Smart move is Santana in Columbia playing every day 2b and Cortes the same in St. Lucie.

I'd put Adolph, Cortes, Rasquin (questionable if they even think he's a prospect at all given how long he's been in BK), Chambers, Senger or Meyer all in St. Lucie. Kelenic is the only "must play" OF at the lower levels (Hernandez isn't going to factor into the Columbia/St. Lucie decision) so they can casually decide which Dirocie/JMM/Beraciarta/Lagrange are worthy of heading to St. Lucie and who they actually "care" about. In theory they could begin Newton's conversion to another position (RF?) but unusual they would do it so quickly.
RE: Reinheimer  
Mike in NY : 8/13/2018 2:27 pm : link
In comment 14038013 DanMetroMan said:
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over Michael (DL) or Colon is absurd.


All I can think of is because he was on the 40 man. That being said, I don't see what someone like Drew Gagnon or you put Chris Flexen on 60 Day DL to clear a spot.
RE: Few things-  
Mike in NY : 8/13/2018 2:30 pm : link
In comment 14038169 DanMetroMan said:
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#1 BA's top 20 in the APPY the Mets should have 4 candidates. Kelenic (struggles aside), Newton, Vientos, Santana all seem like strong candidates. Santana might be dinged by 2b only (they tend to poorly on these lists), that being said the difference between #14 in the league and #21 (not listed) at that level of the minors is probably miniscule.


-Annoys me a guy like Wilson stays in BK because they are in a playoff race vs. giving him a look vs. better competition.

-Curious to see what the plans are for next season
I suspect Cortes is in St. Lucie at 2b. Who would block him? Tiberi who has been embarrassingly bad? Smart move is Santana in Columbia playing every day 2b and Cortes the same in St. Lucie.

I'd put Adolph, Cortes, Rasquin (questionable if they even think he's a prospect at all given how long he's been in BK), Chambers, Senger or Meyer all in St. Lucie. Kelenic is the only "must play" OF at the lower levels (Hernandez isn't going to factor into the Columbia/St. Lucie decision) so they can casually decide which Dirocie/JMM/Beraciarta/Lagrange are worthy of heading to St. Lucie and who they actually "care" about. In theory they could begin Newton's conversion to another position (RF?) but unusual they would do it so quickly.


Agree although I might play Senger in Columbia so he and Meyer are not splitting reps at St. Lucie. Phil Capra can be Senger's back-up in Columbia. I still don't see why Chambers isn't in Columbia right now and move Winaker up to St. Lucie and Paez to AA as I said earlier.
Shecky's description of next year as an evaluation year is dead on  
Eric on Li : 8/13/2018 2:34 pm : link
Are Nimmo, Rosario, or possibly even McNeil good enough to seize roles at the top of the lineup? Not just as passable players, but as legitimate contributors for a top division team. The talent has been there in flashes, the consistency needs to come.

In the middle of the lineup, can Conforto fully bounce back? Is Alonso a legit impact bat in the making?

C, 3B, and 3rd OF are obviously holes and hopefully at least 2 of them get significant upgrades in the offseason. Whoever they get a catcher won't be a major difference maker because so few of those guys exist, but I think it's crucial they add 1 of the available veterans to stabilize a position that's been a black hole for years. I just looked it up, between 2012-2018 this org has gotten just 6.6 WAR from the catching position, tied for 2nd worst in all baseball. And that doesn't even really take into account the intangible effect on pitchers not having a good a counterpart.

So the biggest problem I see is that without an impact veteran (at 3B or in the OF) taking pressure off the young guys, it's going to be infinitely more difficult for Nimmo/Rosario/Conforto to truly find consistency. Machado is the only truly perfect fit, but we all know that's not happening.
RE: RE: Reinheimer  
DanMetroMan : 8/13/2018 2:35 pm : link
In comment 14038174 Mike in NY said:
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In comment 14038013 DanMetroMan said:


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over Michael (DL) or Colon is absurd.



All I can think of is because he was on the 40 man. That being said, I don't see what someone like Drew Gagnon or you put Chris Flexen on 60 Day DL to clear a spot.


He's a waste of a 40 spot. They are awful and have Guillorme should they need a glove only SS>
RE: Shecky's description of next year as an evaluation year is dead on  
ZGiants98 : 8/13/2018 3:21 pm : link
In comment 14038195 Eric on Li said:
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Are Nimmo, Rosario, or possibly even McNeil good enough to seize roles at the top of the lineup? Not just as passable players, but as legitimate contributors for a top division team. The talent has been there in flashes, the consistency needs to come.

In the middle of the lineup, can Conforto fully bounce back? Is Alonso a legit impact bat in the making?

C, 3B, and 3rd OF are obviously holes and hopefully at least 2 of them get significant upgrades in the offseason. Whoever they get a catcher won't be a major difference maker because so few of those guys exist, but I think it's crucial they add 1 of the available veterans to stabilize a position that's been a black hole for years. I just looked it up, between 2012-2018 this org has gotten just 6.6 WAR from the catching position, tied for 2nd worst in all baseball. And that doesn't even really take into account the intangible effect on pitchers not having a good a counterpart.

So the biggest problem I see is that without an impact veteran (at 3B or in the OF) taking pressure off the young guys, it's going to be infinitely more difficult for Nimmo/Rosario/Conforto to truly find consistency. Machado is the only truly perfect fit, but we all know that's not happening.


I definitely think it’s a transition year in the sense of us getting a read on what many of our young hitters will ultimately “become” but I don’t think it needs to be a transition year overall. Most of those guys, like you mentioned, would at least be a suitable “surrounding cast” if you landed the big bat to stabilize things, especially with our pitching. Precious time on the rotation is running out though and we should be heading into 2019 with a “top” rotation once again. Injuries aside our rotation is still 3rd in the league this year in WAR and FIP. Machado would be perfect but if we aren’t going to make a run they can’t just throw their hands up. They have to bring a big bat in from somewhere. They don’t even have the Cespedes excuse anymore as he likely will miss most of 2019.
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DanMetroMan : 8/13/2018 3:37 pm : link
Sounds like @mets acknowledge Peterson's stuff has been down in the FSL (blaming the heat seems weak) but strong last outing so lets hope it's a turning point #Mets


Final line on Hutchinson a bit better 5 innings 6 hits 2 runs 0 walks 3 k's (K-rate is still weak), Wilmer Reyes (funny name aside) quietly with a nice little season (.787 OPS),Consuegra with 2 hits #Mets
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