The best thing that could happen would the Eagles paying him a huge guaranteed deal. That will be the beginning of the end for them.
Are you suggesting signing Wentz to a huge deal is the mistake, or signing any QB to a huge deal is a mistake?
Any QB.
I believe GT is a man who thinks that stockpile at other positions and get a young QB and have a 5 year window to win. Or something close to that. Then once the QB wants a big deal, let him walk and find a cheap alternative or draft a new one.
..on a lake literally 2 min from my house. If I'd have known I would have gladly snuck in and provided the artwork for the limo's windows in my own feces.
..on a lake literally 2 min from my house. If I'd have known I would have gladly snuck in and provided the artwork for the limo's windows in my own feces.
Not saying Wentz will flame out like RG III did but I would wait before saying he is going to kill us for years. Doug Pederson might be the bigger concern as their coach seeing as he won the SB without Wentz.
AND they won the SB without him. They will be good for many years unless he develops an injury problem but he is a big guy. I know people hate them but hard to underplay the talent they have and their young stud QB.
..on a lake literally 2 min from my house. If I'd have known I would have gladly snuck in and provided the artwork for the limo's windows in my own feces.
Did he walk on water?
A lot of people whistling past the graveyard here. Â
After all, RGIII was supposed to dominate the NFC East for what, a decade?
Wentz is very good.
Fates can change in the NFL in a hurry. It's why a career like Eli Manning's is very special, even if there are a lot of NYG fans who don't see it that way. Let's see him bounce back from injury and stay healthy beyond that before we start worrying about playing for 2nd place.
RE: A lot of people whistling past the graveyard here. Â
...it will be seen if he can play with the same abandon as last year and stay on the field.
Taking on LB's in not in your best interest...but Wentz did it.
And I really believe the RPO was the deciding factor in the Eagles ultimate success. When the rest of the league learns to defend it, and they will, we'll see how the Eagles do.
Also be aware of the Eagles lights out performance on third down last year - a trend that probably evens out.
Still, they'll be tough because Wentz is damn talented.
The best thing that could happen would the Eagles paying him a huge guaranteed deal. That will be the beginning of the end for them.
Are you suggesting signing Wentz to a huge deal is the mistake, or signing any QB to a huge deal is a mistake?
Any QB.
I believe GT is a man who thinks that stockpile at other positions and get a young QB and have a 5 year window to win. Or something close to that. Then once the QB wants a big deal, let him walk and find a cheap alternative or draft a new one.
Yep. Which is funny because he’s on record for wanting to use the 2nd pick on Darnold. I asked him in the Darnold thread about his plan when Darnolds contract is up but he never responded. Is he paying him what it would take to sign a franchise QB to a second contract or is he just letting him go? He’s already said that he wouldn’t sign a QB to franchise money unless they turn out to be Brady or Rodgers, so I guess he would let him walk. So I’m confused as to how taking Darnold makes sense for him, using his team building philosophy
You're a really shitty poster that I try to avoid so I'm sorry I didn't see your other question.
I've said in many places that I don't have an issue drafting a quarterback with a high first round pick. My reservations are with paying the crazy second contracts we're seeing for non-elite QBs (Cousins, Garoppolo, Stafford, and the like). I think the Giants should have drafted Darnold or traded down. Then in a few years if he pans out as an elite QB, pay him. If he isn't quite there, trade him.
There's also something else you might want to consider, if it's possible for you to. What I would do and what the Giants would do are two different things. The Giants believe in the franchise quarterback model. They want to follow Eli Manning up with another Eli Manning. They passed up a golden opportunity to do just that. It is hugely unlikely they will get that opportunity again before Eli retires.
I think the Giants are all in now with Eli for these next couple years. After that, I think there's a decent chance the whole thing gets blown up again.
... The Giants believe in the franchise quarterback model. They want to follow Eli Manning up with another Eli Manning. They passed up a golden opportunity to do just that. It is hugely unlikely they will get that opportunity again before Eli retires.
I disagree. This assumes the team is just stupid. I believe they carefully evaluated the QBs in this draft and made a combined decision that none of them were "franchise" types. Else, they probably draft Darnold.
It will take some time to see if they were right or had a major league screw-up. I sure hope the Giants were correct.
I asked a legitimate question on that Darnold thread and wasn’t the least bit confrontational. And you respond with this nonsense? Personal attacks completely unprovoked. And you wonder why people give you shit?
I don't think the team is stupid. I don't think drafting Barkley over one of the QBs was a clear sign of stupidity.
I think it's possible that ownership wanted to see Eli Manning be the quarterback in 2018, particularly given the shambolic way his benching was handled last year. I think it's possible (especially after reading the Louis Riddick interview last week) the Eli question may have weighed pretty heavily in the Gettleman hiring.
I think we can all agree the #2 pick in the 2018 draft was both a fork in the road for the franchise and an indicator of what the front office thinks this team is now and in the near future. When a team drafts a running back like Barkley that tells me they think they're close, because running backs tend to have short careers. I especially think that was their view of the team given the rare opportunity they had to draft a top QB prospect and cement that difficult position down for the foreseeable future.
You're a really shitty poster that I try to avoid so I'm sorry I didn't see your other question.
I've said in many places that I don't have an issue drafting a quarterback with a high first round pick. My reservations are with paying the crazy second contracts we're seeing for non-elite QBs (Cousins, Garoppolo, Stafford, and the like). I think the Giants should have drafted Darnold or traded down. Then in a few years if he pans out as an elite QB, pay him. If he isn't quite there, trade him.
There's also something else you might want to consider, if it's possible for you to. What I would do and what the Giants would do are two different things. The Giants believe in the franchise quarterback model. They want to follow Eli Manning up with another Eli Manning. They passed up a golden opportunity to do just that. It is hugely unlikely they will get that opportunity again before Eli retires.
I think the Giants are all in now with Eli for these next couple years. After that, I think there's a decent chance the whole thing gets blown up again.
GT: What so many people on this board fail to grasp is that it was either Eli OR Darnold. So many people here advocated for drafting Darnold/Rosen and sitting either of them behind Eli - this was never going to happen. If you listen to Eli interviews from last year, he is not convincing in his desire to groom his future successor (who would be?). I also think having Darnold on the sideline if the Giants started 4-5 would be a massive distraction. Coming off last year, I doubt Mara wanted anything to do with that. So, either Eli was going to get cut and a full rebuild what have followed, or they would commit to Eli.
I don’t think DG was given the job on a condition, I think he was asked if Eli can still play (let’s remember Mara agreed to the benching a few months earlier). Once DG said Eli still has football left, I think the decision was made - it was Barkley. No way would Mara sign on for another QB controversy. If DG felt Eli was shot, I think he would have been released.
You may be entirely right - this could be a 3-4 year window. If things don’t go well, we could be looking at another rebuild, but that is every team in the NFL. I’m *hoping* there is a clean transition of Eli to Lauletta, but of course there is no guarantee. Just like Darnold isn’t a guarantee.
Ultimately, I wanted Barkley or Darnold. I hope it works out & hope Eli has some gas left. I also liked what I saw from Lauletta. We’ll see. It’s a lot easier cutting bait with Kerry Collins than Eli Manning. I am excited to watch Barkley play & what you originally wanted was Kubiak brought in with a commitment to the running game - maybe we see that with SB.
I’m sure Mara was sick with how it all went down, we all were. I think ideally Mara wanted to make things right with Eli & the fans - which is dangerous. I love Eli, but I also understand how tough it is to move on from a legend, for all of his faults I do feel for McAdoo in this aspect - he was swimming against the current from the start. He was never going to win that battle even if it were right.
I’m a huge Eli supporter but you have to do what you have to do. Need to make the tough calls in the interest of the team.
Maybe McAdoo and Ridick felt he was cooked, and was time to restock. Certainly seemed that way PR-wise with Mcadoo trying to condition the public by throwing Eli under the bus early and semi often. Except he wasn’t very good at it. If it turns out to be true that Eli is forked, keeping him on emotion is a very dumb move.
Any decision, especially in business made on “fear” is bound to fail from the start. That said I’m putting my full faith in Gettleman, Shurmur, and of course Eli. He deserves the Elway sendoff.
All fair. And I agree with you that it was Eli or Darnold - not both.
I wonder if Gettleman got the job because he said he thought Eli could play, and Riddick didn't get it because he said he thought Eli was done.
Has it ever been reported that it was down to Gettleman and Riddick? I never got the impression he (Riddick) was a legit GM option other than a courtesy interview.
passed up a rookie QB they had highly rated, that would be a very short-sighted and negligent view of the team. If they selected Darnold he could very well have sat for a year. If Eli turns out to be shot in 2018, no one would complain if Darnold was told to start.
It better turn out that they didn't have any of the QBs (except Mayfield) highly rated. If they screwed this up, it could cost the team 15 years of QB hell.
that the eagles use "smart" footballs that record velocity and accuracy. I would love to hear Gettleman's thoughts on smart footballs ('data, shmata, you can measure a quarterback by looking into the blues of his eyes, not what some fancy smart football says").
that the Eli benching last year was a debacle, but the Giants have never been a team that hires people based on conditions and ownership has never really seemed to meddle too much in the football operations.
Gettleman came from an organization where he was literally handcuffed on making certain moves by the owner. I don't think he'd sign up to do that again.
Early on in the evaluation process for the draft, it sure seemed that comments indicated the Giants had an open mind about the QB's. I think as the process went on they either felt the QB's failed to meet their expectations OR Barkley was just that much of a better prospect to not pass up.
I don't buy into the conspiracy thoughts that Mara mandated that Eli be kept to appease the Manning legacy as some have alluded to.
Because almost all of the moves made go against that idea. The moves made have seemingly been made to make a run the next 2 years of having Eli here, while still having younger players in the fold for life post-Eli.
Basically, Gettleman has tried to improve the team, both to win now and with an eye to the future. We'll see if it pans out, but the groundwork thus far has been promising.
Has it ever been reported that it was down to Gettleman and Riddick? I never got the impression he (Riddick) was a legit GM option other than a courtesy interview.
I don't think there ever was any legitimate option besides Gettleman. The supposed GM search was just them going through the motions - Gettleman had the job from the moment they fired Reese.
It may not have been a mandate from Mara. It may simply have been something he weighed heavily in picking his GM.
Mara knows his history, and he remembers his father's anguish at the way Phil Simms left the team. I don't think it's outlandish to suggest he's attached to Eli to the point where it would influence decisions. While I think that would be a mistake, I don't say this as a huge criticism of Mara. As someone that named his kid after Eli Manning, I get it.
He has already torn his ACL.....Pass
He has already torn his ACL.....Pass
I assume you will comment on the countless QBs taken early who didn't amount to anything.
Are you suggesting signing Wentz to a huge deal is the mistake, or signing any QB to a huge deal is a mistake?
He has already torn his ACL.....Pass
It's easy? Then why do so many teams not have franchise QBs? Do they choose not to?
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The best thing that could happen would the Eagles paying him a huge guaranteed deal. That will be the beginning of the end for them.
Are you suggesting signing Wentz to a huge deal is the mistake, or signing any QB to a huge deal is a mistake?
Any QB.
I believe GT is a man who thinks that stockpile at other positions and get a young QB and have a 5 year window to win. Or something close to that. Then once the QB wants a big deal, let him walk and find a cheap alternative or draft a new one.
Nobody wants to hear that at this time
Ben isn't carrying anything in Pittsburgh. Never has.
Did he walk on water?
After all, RGIII was supposed to dominate the NFC East for what, a decade?
Wentz is very good.
Fates can change in the NFL in a hurry. It's why a career like Eli Manning's is very special, even if there are a lot of NYG fans who don't see it that way. Let's see him bounce back from injury and stay healthy beyond that before we start worrying about playing for 2nd place.
I agree. Even worse is what they will get for Foles in the off season.
Taking on LB's in not in your best interest...but Wentz did it.
And I really believe the RPO was the deciding factor in the Eagles ultimate success. When the rest of the league learns to defend it, and they will, we'll see how the Eagles do.
Also be aware of the Eagles lights out performance on third down last year - a trend that probably evens out.
Still, they'll be tough because Wentz is damn talented.
Gonna have to wait and see if he's good.
*Literally the worst event in all of history happens with a backup QB*
Not afraid of the Eagles.
-BBI
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Its easy to find franchise qb's in every draft or later rounds.
He has already torn his ACL.....Pass
It's easy? Then why do so many teams not have franchise QBs? Do they choose not to?
He's being sarcastic. He uses every thread to bash Eli, and say we shouldn't have taken Barkley.
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Its easy to find franchise qb's in every draft or later rounds.
He has already torn his ACL.....Pass
It's easy? Then why do so many teams not have franchise QBs? Do they choose not to?
He's being sarcastic. He uses every thread to bash Eli, and say we shouldn't have taken Barkley.
Please show me where I bashed Eli
He has already torn his ACL.....Pass
God you’re opinions stink.
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The best thing that could happen would the Eagles paying him a huge guaranteed deal. That will be the beginning of the end for them.
Are you suggesting signing Wentz to a huge deal is the mistake, or signing any QB to a huge deal is a mistake?
Any QB.
I believe GT is a man who thinks that stockpile at other positions and get a young QB and have a 5 year window to win. Or something close to that. Then once the QB wants a big deal, let him walk and find a cheap alternative or draft a new one.
Yep. Which is funny because he’s on record for wanting to use the 2nd pick on Darnold. I asked him in the Darnold thread about his plan when Darnolds contract is up but he never responded. Is he paying him what it would take to sign a franchise QB to a second contract or is he just letting him go? He’s already said that he wouldn’t sign a QB to franchise money unless they turn out to be Brady or Rodgers, so I guess he would let him walk. So I’m confused as to how taking Darnold makes sense for him, using his team building philosophy
I've said in many places that I don't have an issue drafting a quarterback with a high first round pick. My reservations are with paying the crazy second contracts we're seeing for non-elite QBs (Cousins, Garoppolo, Stafford, and the like). I think the Giants should have drafted Darnold or traded down. Then in a few years if he pans out as an elite QB, pay him. If he isn't quite there, trade him.
There's also something else you might want to consider, if it's possible for you to. What I would do and what the Giants would do are two different things. The Giants believe in the franchise quarterback model. They want to follow Eli Manning up with another Eli Manning. They passed up a golden opportunity to do just that. It is hugely unlikely they will get that opportunity again before Eli retires.
I think the Giants are all in now with Eli for these next couple years. After that, I think there's a decent chance the whole thing gets blown up again.
I disagree. This assumes the team is just stupid. I believe they carefully evaluated the QBs in this draft and made a combined decision that none of them were "franchise" types. Else, they probably draft Darnold.
It will take some time to see if they were right or had a major league screw-up. I sure hope the Giants were correct.
I think it's possible that ownership wanted to see Eli Manning be the quarterback in 2018, particularly given the shambolic way his benching was handled last year. I think it's possible (especially after reading the Louis Riddick interview last week) the Eli question may have weighed pretty heavily in the Gettleman hiring.
I think we can all agree the #2 pick in the 2018 draft was both a fork in the road for the franchise and an indicator of what the front office thinks this team is now and in the near future. When a team drafts a running back like Barkley that tells me they think they're close, because running backs tend to have short careers. I especially think that was their view of the team given the rare opportunity they had to draft a top QB prospect and cement that difficult position down for the foreseeable future.
That's not my assessment of where this team is.
I've said in many places that I don't have an issue drafting a quarterback with a high first round pick. My reservations are with paying the crazy second contracts we're seeing for non-elite QBs (Cousins, Garoppolo, Stafford, and the like). I think the Giants should have drafted Darnold or traded down. Then in a few years if he pans out as an elite QB, pay him. If he isn't quite there, trade him.
There's also something else you might want to consider, if it's possible for you to. What I would do and what the Giants would do are two different things. The Giants believe in the franchise quarterback model. They want to follow Eli Manning up with another Eli Manning. They passed up a golden opportunity to do just that. It is hugely unlikely they will get that opportunity again before Eli retires.
I think the Giants are all in now with Eli for these next couple years. After that, I think there's a decent chance the whole thing gets blown up again.
GT: What so many people on this board fail to grasp is that it was either Eli OR Darnold. So many people here advocated for drafting Darnold/Rosen and sitting either of them behind Eli - this was never going to happen. If you listen to Eli interviews from last year, he is not convincing in his desire to groom his future successor (who would be?). I also think having Darnold on the sideline if the Giants started 4-5 would be a massive distraction. Coming off last year, I doubt Mara wanted anything to do with that. So, either Eli was going to get cut and a full rebuild what have followed, or they would commit to Eli.
I don’t think DG was given the job on a condition, I think he was asked if Eli can still play (let’s remember Mara agreed to the benching a few months earlier). Once DG said Eli still has football left, I think the decision was made - it was Barkley. No way would Mara sign on for another QB controversy. If DG felt Eli was shot, I think he would have been released.
You may be entirely right - this could be a 3-4 year window. If things don’t go well, we could be looking at another rebuild, but that is every team in the NFL. I’m *hoping* there is a clean transition of Eli to Lauletta, but of course there is no guarantee. Just like Darnold isn’t a guarantee.
Ultimately, I wanted Barkley or Darnold. I hope it works out & hope Eli has some gas left. I also liked what I saw from Lauletta. We’ll see. It’s a lot easier cutting bait with Kerry Collins than Eli Manning. I am excited to watch Barkley play & what you originally wanted was Kubiak brought in with a commitment to the running game - maybe we see that with SB.
I wonder if Gettleman got the job because he said he thought Eli could play, and Riddick didn't get it because he said he thought Eli was done.
Maybe McAdoo and Ridick felt he was cooked, and was time to restock. Certainly seemed that way PR-wise with Mcadoo trying to condition the public by throwing Eli under the bus early and semi often. Except he wasn’t very good at it. If it turns out to be true that Eli is forked, keeping him on emotion is a very dumb move.
Any decision, especially in business made on “fear” is bound to fail from the start. That said I’m putting my full faith in Gettleman, Shurmur, and of course Eli. He deserves the Elway sendoff.
BTW, can you link the Riddick interview?
I wonder if Gettleman got the job because he said he thought Eli could play, and Riddick didn't get it because he said he thought Eli was done.
Has it ever been reported that it was down to Gettleman and Riddick? I never got the impression he (Riddick) was a legit GM option other than a courtesy interview.
It better turn out that they didn't have any of the QBs (except Mayfield) highly rated. If they screwed this up, it could cost the team 15 years of QB hell.
Gettleman came from an organization where he was literally handcuffed on making certain moves by the owner. I don't think he'd sign up to do that again.
Early on in the evaluation process for the draft, it sure seemed that comments indicated the Giants had an open mind about the QB's. I think as the process went on they either felt the QB's failed to meet their expectations OR Barkley was just that much of a better prospect to not pass up.
I don't buy into the conspiracy thoughts that Mara mandated that Eli be kept to appease the Manning legacy as some have alluded to.
Because almost all of the moves made go against that idea. The moves made have seemingly been made to make a run the next 2 years of having Eli here, while still having younger players in the fold for life post-Eli.
Basically, Gettleman has tried to improve the team, both to win now and with an eye to the future. We'll see if it pans out, but the groundwork thus far has been promising.
I don't think there ever was any legitimate option besides Gettleman. The supposed GM search was just them going through the motions - Gettleman had the job from the moment they fired Reese.
Mara knows his history, and he remembers his father's anguish at the way Phil Simms left the team. I don't think it's outlandish to suggest he's attached to Eli to the point where it would influence decisions. While I think that would be a mistake, I don't say this as a huge criticism of Mara. As someone that named his kid after Eli Manning, I get it.
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