Can’t they watch the tape and figure something out?
It’s more than likely he’s tipping pitches, maybe even before the wind-up, hitter are squaring up the high octane fastball like they are sitting on it and not even flinching at the slider. What the heck is going on?
Can’t they watch the tape and figure something out?
It’s more than likely he’s tipping pitches, maybe even before the wind-up, hitter are squaring up the high octane fastball like they are sitting on it and not even flinching at the slider. What the heck is going on?
I have to think if he's tipping pitches, they would have figured that out by now. This has been going on for weeks and that had to be one of the very first things they looked at.
I honestly just think it's fatigue. I'd give him 2 weeks and see how he responds to it.
He's pitching poorly right now - no way around it. So, trotting him out there every 5 days isn't helping any.
Britton really needs to get it together. He has not been good.
To this met team is just as embarrassing as the 6 losses to Baltimore. I get Degrom is good. But this met line up is one of the worst in baseball. Time to panic on severino he stinks
I honestly think I'd rather die than ever have to hear that broadcast team again.
Haha. I wouldn't go that far but I pray I never have to hear them again. Whatever happened to just calling the damn game and analyzing what's going on?
Too many of these guys now never stop talking and think we tune in to listen to their stories. It's like they think the game isn't interesting enough and they have to try and entertain us, which they fail horribly at.
using Cole in a one run game. I don’t understand that.
Why has Tommy Kahnle been seemingly banished? I know he went through velocity issues but there’s no way he isn’t a better option than Cole at this point.
I've been asking about Kahnle too - I don't understand why he doesn't seem to be an option at all. It looked like he had a pretty good stretch @ SWB - got called up for a day and got sent back down. Can he really be worse than AJ Cole is right now? George Kontos?
using Cole in a one run game. I don’t understand that.
Why has Tommy Kahnle been seemingly banished? I know he went through velocity issues but there’s no way he isn’t a better option than Cole at this point.
I don't understand the Cole part either but honestly I've stopped trying to understand these moves. There's been so many I don't understand I've chalked it up to a rookie manager finding his way and now I just hope they work out.
I'm tired of getting frustrated by them and trying to get answers or others opinions only to be called whiny for voicing an opinion on Boone's moves.
No idea about Kahnle but I'd imagine it's still a velocity issue or maybe he hasn't been back down there for ten days yet? I'm not sure the exact day then sent him back down.
Last Night the Red Sox would have come in and brushed the Mets aside, piling up runs and hits, while stifling the Mets' bats. That's been the story all season ----the Red Sox just get the job done especially against lesser teams -- they seem to own Baltimore this year, while the Yankees "play down" to the level of their competition. The Red Sox core group of young players plus JD Martinez make them formidable opponents, while the Yankees don't seem to have the "killer instinct". Hope is the Yanks get a healthy Judge back (and he learns to lay off the low outside breaking pitches) and the rest of the team gets on a roll late in the season. Very tough American League playoffs this year.
out Boone in RAB this morning on the Cole relief. The whining for Warren is only somewhat warranted. While he is certainly better than Cole, Warren was not Warren any more. He had been a bit shaky this year.
As for Severino - he(Sevy) says he is definitely not tired and pretty emphatic about it.
I think Kahnle's problem is he has lost his control. Too many walks. Yes speed is down to 95-96 vs 97-98.
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Last Night the Red Sox would have come in and brushed the Mets aside, piling up runs and hits, while stifling the Mets' bats. That's been the story all season ----the Red Sox just get the job done especially against lesser teams -- they seem to own Baltimore this year, while the Yankees "play down" to the level of their competition. The Red Sox core group of young players plus JD Martinez make them formidable opponents, while the Yankees don't seem to have the "killer instinct". Hope is the Yanks get a healthy Judge back (and he learns to lay off the low outside breaking pitches) and the rest of the team gets on a roll late in the season. Very tough American League playoffs this year.
I don’t know if the Sox would of done anything against degrom. But Red Sox pitchers would not be getting lit up like a Christmas tree against this pitiful met lineup. 15 hits for the Mets last night 15 hits. That’s ridiculous have to mets had 15 hits in a game this season?? Some of these losses the Yankees have had since early July have been god awful. If they would of taken care of business against these garbage teams they could be in striking distance for th division and now they better be worried about Oakland 3.5 games in nothing that team doesn’t lose either and Seattle is playing well to only saving grace is these teams play each other a lot but Yankees could Very well blow the Home field for that game.
out Boone in RAB this morning on the Cole relief. The whining for Warren is only somewhat warranted. While he is certainly better than Cole, Warren was not Warren any more. He had been a bit shaky this year.
As for Severino - he(Sevy) says he is definitely not tired and pretty emphatic about it.
I think Kahnle's problem is he has lost his control. Too many walks. Yes speed is down to 95-96 vs 97-98.
I said it last night, but I’m still confounded by it this morning.
I try to pick my spots carefully and sparingly when it comes to hammering managerial decisions, but using Cole in last night’s spot is pretty infuriating.
Usually, even if I would have done things differently, I can sympathize with the angle the manager was seeing. This one was really not excusable.
out Boone in RAB this morning on the Cole relief. The whining for Warren is only somewhat warranted. While he is certainly better than Cole, Warren was not Warren any more. He had been a bit shaky this year.
As for Severino - he(Sevy) says he is definitely not tired and pretty emphatic about it.
I think Kahnle's problem is he has lost his control. Too many walks. Yes speed is down to 95-96 vs 97-98.
I said it last night, but I’m still confounded by it this morning.
I try to pick my spots carefully and sparingly when it comes to hammering managerial decisions, but using Cole in last night’s spot is pretty infuriating.
Usually, even if I would have done things differently, I can sympathize with the angle the manager was seeing. This one was really not excusable.
I think people are engaging in 20-20 hindsight on Cole and not being honest with themselves- especially one poster with a VERY anti-Boone agenda that they have been hammering away on ALL SEASON.
Going into last night's game, Cole had been very good, though he had a rough outing against Texas. Coming into last night's outing, in his last 23 and 2/3 IP, Cole had only given up 19 hits and 7 walks (that's a WHIP just about 1.10, which is fine), with 31 K and an ERA near 3.00.
That's NOT a bad reliever- and you are not going to use your best relievers when you are down 2 runs after a series in which the bullpen was overused because the SP was bad.
The decision to go with Cole was completely justifiable- he did have a bad outing against Texas, but had been solid for about a month before that, so there was no reason to believe that the Texas game was anything more than a blip in an otherwise solid month.
The Yanks had an untested Kontos, and were not likely to bring in Britton into that situation. Betances was probably available, but you aren't going to bring him into a game when you are down 2 in the 7th when you have no off-days in the near future.
Chapman was certainly not coming in at that point. Gray had pitched the day before (badly) and was likely not available anyway. Green had just pitched the 6th- and they probably didn't want to go multiple innings with Green likely to be needed in the next series. Holder had gone 2 innings on Sunday and was probably not available either.
The only remaining possible reliever would have been DRobertson. Again, look at the situation- the Yanks rely heavily on Robertson, and were not going to use him in a game where they are already 2 runs down and no off-days coming up.
Boone made the best decision that was available to him- outside of the bad outing on Friday against Texas, Cole had been rather good- but Cole is also pretty low in the bullpen pecking order. Boone was trying to get Cole to get them one inning and see if the offense could do something. It didn't work out- it happens.
Losing to a bad team like the Mets sucks, but let's not pretend that Boone lost the game because Cole spit the bit. The Yanks lost the game because something isn't right with Severino, who gave up 4 runs to a terrible Mets offense. Cole came in with the Yanks behind 4-2, with deGrom still on the mound and in full control of the game.
The decision was the right one at the time- and in hindsight probably still is. The Yanks avoided using Robertson, Holder, Betances- and only used Green for one inning- meaning that the regulars in the pen are fully rested and prepared for the Rays.
It gets VERY tiresome to see the CONSTANT moaning about decisions that if people spent less time jumping on the agenda-driven bandwagon against Boone led by one-poster here, and actually put some real thought into the decision, would realize that Boone was right.
when Cole came in and it's become pretty clear that whatever he did earlier in the season was a fluke. He's struggled beyond just the Texas game. He has a career 4.82 ERA in a decent sized sample. That's what he is.
He shouldn't be pitching in a one run game, period. Whether it's a lead or a deficit. He was willing to use Britton with a two run deficit in the 9th, so why can't he come in earlier? And why is he allowed to stay in to give up not one, not two, but three home runs?
Last Night the Red Sox would have come in and brushed the Mets aside, piling up runs and hits, while stifling the Mets' bats. That's been the story all season ----the Red Sox just get the job done especially against lesser teams -- they seem to own Baltimore this year, while the Yankees "play down" to the level of their competition. The Red Sox core group of young players plus JD Martinez make them formidable opponents, while the Yankees don't seem to have the "killer instinct". Hope is the Yanks get a healthy Judge back (and he learns to lay off the low outside breaking pitches) and the rest of the team gets on a roll late in the season. Very tough American League playoffs this year.
Take away Betts and Benintendi from the Sawx, as the Yankees have been missing Sanchez and Judge, and tell me how much they're "getting the job done"
I listed who was and was likely unavailable for that situation. The conclusion was that the only two "better" possibilities were Robertson and Betances.
In a serious question, WHY would Boone bring in either one in the 6th when behind? Betances had shown serious problems in going multiple innings and would likely only give them one inning. If you use Robertson for multiple innings, he might not be available again until Wednesday or Thursday.
The Yanks have no off days until the 20th. They don't have a strong multi-inning option outside of Robertson and Green- who had already pitched- and will likely need them to be available in the next two series.
Again, show me where the better option than Cole was in that situation. If you look at it in a context of more than one game, and put aside the distracting thought of wanting to beat the Mets, there was not a better logical option considering the need to preserve the pen for the next several days.
That you can definitively say we’re unavailable — Holder and Gray.
In a 9-man bullpen.
Green threw 14 pitches in the 5th, off of 2 days off if I’m not mistaken. A second inning would have been a reasonable option.
Britton
Robertson
Betances
Getting a combined 5 innings out of those 4 guys (assuming the game remained close) would not be a tremendous ask. And that’s ignoring the potential use of Chapman if they overcome a 1-run deficit in a game thAt deGrom clearly wasn’t long for.
Using those guys in the 6th inning of a winnable game is not some kind of tilt play that destroys you for days on end. Can’t do it every day, of course.
Britton needs to get his ass in gear. He's been terrible. 9 hits and 6 walks in 7.1 IP?
Yup. Not good. He looks like he's close - but he's still just a little off. If we have anything close to the old Zach Britton come October, he'll be a major weapon. But he's got to get right.
A lot of pitchers on this team do right now. Feels like a lot of guys are hitting a rough patch. Tanaka had a rough last start, Sevy has been struggling since the break basically. Chappy has struggled, Green hasn't been quite as good as he was in the first half, Cole turned into a turd, Holder got tagged badly @ Fenway. We just talked about Britton. Gray has been a disaster all year.
almost all the hits he gives up are weak ground balls. But more than you would think should find holes. Couple that with him not throwing enough strikes and it's a big problem. But I think with regular work he'll be good in time. Big change going from Buck to the Yankee brain trust information overload and not closing anymore.
This season is quite confusing. The past month or so has been filled with horrible losses. But the record is still on pace for 100 + wins and if they win the wild card game a date with Boston in the playoffs. That should be the entire focus for the next 44 games.
Hey Greg, Judge/Sanchez is a great comp this year 1650 combined OPS vs 2000 not even in the same ballpark substituting Jackie Bradley would make a better comp
...was very strange seeing Boone almost give up on the game with the Yankees trailing 4-3. deGrom is gutsy, but he was hittable yesterday. Didn't have his best stuff.
Well, they are pretty. All 12 of them.
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McNeil adding two runs to his ERA tonight by airmailing a routine double play certainly didn't help his case. lol.
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same video of all deGrom's Ks every inning?
Well, they are pretty. All 12 of them.
No doubt.
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I’m glad the team scored some runs for Jake tonight but what this team has done to him this season is criminal.
McNeil adding two runs to his ERA tonight by airmailing a routine double play certainly didn't help his case. lol.
His error only added one earned run. Unless the scoring has changed.
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I’m glad the team scored some runs for Jake tonight but what this team has done to him this season is criminal.
McNeil adding two runs to his ERA tonight by airmailing a routine double play certainly didn't help his case. lol.
His error only added one earned run. Unless the scoring has changed.
Yes because you cant assume a double play... McNeil makes a routine play and no runs score that inning. deGrom's next pitch was a fly ball out.
Tomorrow is another day.
It’s more than likely he’s tipping pitches, maybe even before the wind-up, hitter are squaring up the high octane fastball like they are sitting on it and not even flinching at the slider. What the heck is going on?
Torres trying to do too much
It’s more than likely he’s tipping pitches, maybe even before the wind-up, hitter are squaring up the high octane fastball like they are sitting on it and not even flinching at the slider. What the heck is going on?
I have to think if he's tipping pitches, they would have figured that out by now. This has been going on for weeks and that had to be one of the very first things they looked at.
I honestly just think it's fatigue. I'd give him 2 weeks and see how he responds to it.
He's pitching poorly right now - no way around it. So, trotting him out there every 5 days isn't helping any.
Britton really needs to get it together. He has not been good.
Torres trying to do too much
Like catching the ball....takes his eyes off the ball again. Rookie mistake.
Third base would have been better.
Still trying to figure out what exactly Boone was doing with Cole in the 7th inning.
Haha. I wouldn't go that far but I pray I never have to hear them again. Whatever happened to just calling the damn game and analyzing what's going on?
Too many of these guys now never stop talking and think we tune in to listen to their stories. It's like they think the game isn't interesting enough and they have to try and entertain us, which they fail horribly at.
25 years between Olbermann games. Another 25 is too soon.
Why has Tommy Kahnle been seemingly banished? I know he went through velocity issues but there’s no way he isn’t a better option than Cole at this point.
Doesn't make sense.
Why has Tommy Kahnle been seemingly banished? I know he went through velocity issues but there’s no way he isn’t a better option than Cole at this point.
I don't understand the Cole part either but honestly I've stopped trying to understand these moves. There's been so many I don't understand I've chalked it up to a rookie manager finding his way and now I just hope they work out.
I'm tired of getting frustrated by them and trying to get answers or others opinions only to be called whiny for voicing an opinion on Boone's moves.
No idea about Kahnle but I'd imagine it's still a velocity issue or maybe he hasn't been back down there for ten days yet? I'm not sure the exact day then sent him back down.
As for Severino - he(Sevy) says he is definitely not tired and pretty emphatic about it.
I think Kahnle's problem is he has lost his control. Too many walks. Yes speed is down to 95-96 vs 97-98.
I don’t know if the Sox would of done anything against degrom. But Red Sox pitchers would not be getting lit up like a Christmas tree against this pitiful met lineup. 15 hits for the Mets last night 15 hits. That’s ridiculous have to mets had 15 hits in a game this season?? Some of these losses the Yankees have had since early July have been god awful. If they would of taken care of business against these garbage teams they could be in striking distance for th division and now they better be worried about Oakland 3.5 games in nothing that team doesn’t lose either and Seattle is playing well to only saving grace is these teams play each other a lot but Yankees could Very well blow the Home field for that game.
As for Severino - he(Sevy) says he is definitely not tired and pretty emphatic about it.
I think Kahnle's problem is he has lost his control. Too many walks. Yes speed is down to 95-96 vs 97-98.
I said it last night, but I’m still confounded by it this morning.
I try to pick my spots carefully and sparingly when it comes to hammering managerial decisions, but using Cole in last night’s spot is pretty infuriating.
Usually, even if I would have done things differently, I can sympathize with the angle the manager was seeing. This one was really not excusable.
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out Boone in RAB this morning on the Cole relief. The whining for Warren is only somewhat warranted. While he is certainly better than Cole, Warren was not Warren any more. He had been a bit shaky this year.
As for Severino - he(Sevy) says he is definitely not tired and pretty emphatic about it.
I think Kahnle's problem is he has lost his control. Too many walks. Yes speed is down to 95-96 vs 97-98.
I said it last night, but I’m still confounded by it this morning.
I try to pick my spots carefully and sparingly when it comes to hammering managerial decisions, but using Cole in last night’s spot is pretty infuriating.
Usually, even if I would have done things differently, I can sympathize with the angle the manager was seeing. This one was really not excusable.
I think people are engaging in 20-20 hindsight on Cole and not being honest with themselves- especially one poster with a VERY anti-Boone agenda that they have been hammering away on ALL SEASON.
Going into last night's game, Cole had been very good, though he had a rough outing against Texas. Coming into last night's outing, in his last 23 and 2/3 IP, Cole had only given up 19 hits and 7 walks (that's a WHIP just about 1.10, which is fine), with 31 K and an ERA near 3.00.
That's NOT a bad reliever- and you are not going to use your best relievers when you are down 2 runs after a series in which the bullpen was overused because the SP was bad.
The decision to go with Cole was completely justifiable- he did have a bad outing against Texas, but had been solid for about a month before that, so there was no reason to believe that the Texas game was anything more than a blip in an otherwise solid month.
The Yanks had an untested Kontos, and were not likely to bring in Britton into that situation. Betances was probably available, but you aren't going to bring him into a game when you are down 2 in the 7th when you have no off-days in the near future.
Chapman was certainly not coming in at that point. Gray had pitched the day before (badly) and was likely not available anyway. Green had just pitched the 6th- and they probably didn't want to go multiple innings with Green likely to be needed in the next series. Holder had gone 2 innings on Sunday and was probably not available either.
The only remaining possible reliever would have been DRobertson. Again, look at the situation- the Yanks rely heavily on Robertson, and were not going to use him in a game where they are already 2 runs down and no off-days coming up.
Boone made the best decision that was available to him- outside of the bad outing on Friday against Texas, Cole had been rather good- but Cole is also pretty low in the bullpen pecking order. Boone was trying to get Cole to get them one inning and see if the offense could do something. It didn't work out- it happens.
Losing to a bad team like the Mets sucks, but let's not pretend that Boone lost the game because Cole spit the bit. The Yanks lost the game because something isn't right with Severino, who gave up 4 runs to a terrible Mets offense. Cole came in with the Yanks behind 4-2, with deGrom still on the mound and in full control of the game.
The decision was the right one at the time- and in hindsight probably still is. The Yanks avoided using Robertson, Holder, Betances- and only used Green for one inning- meaning that the regulars in the pen are fully rested and prepared for the Rays.
It gets VERY tiresome to see the CONSTANT moaning about decisions that if people spent less time jumping on the agenda-driven bandwagon against Boone led by one-poster here, and actually put some real thought into the decision, would realize that Boone was right.
He shouldn't be pitching in a one run game, period. Whether it's a lead or a deficit. He was willing to use Britton with a two run deficit in the 9th, so why can't he come in earlier? And why is he allowed to stay in to give up not one, not two, but three home runs?
He was brought on in a 1-run game in the 6th against a bad team. To me, that absolutely needs to be considered a medium-to-high leverage spot.
Leaving him in for the 7th after he had allowed it to be a 2-fun game was a “made-our-bed-now-we-sleep-in-it” thing that I can live with.
It’s the initial decision that bugs me. That situation is the exact type of thing that the top 2/3 of this bullpen was designed for.
Take away Betts and Benintendi from the Sawx, as the Yankees have been missing Sanchez and Judge, and tell me how much they're "getting the job done"
In a serious question, WHY would Boone bring in either one in the 6th when behind? Betances had shown serious problems in going multiple innings and would likely only give them one inning. If you use Robertson for multiple innings, he might not be available again until Wednesday or Thursday.
The Yanks have no off days until the 20th. They don't have a strong multi-inning option outside of Robertson and Green- who had already pitched- and will likely need them to be available in the next two series.
Again, show me where the better option than Cole was in that situation. If you look at it in a context of more than one game, and put aside the distracting thought of wanting to beat the Mets, there was not a better logical option considering the need to preserve the pen for the next several days.
In a 9-man bullpen.
Green threw 14 pitches in the 5th, off of 2 days off if I’m not mistaken. A second inning would have been a reasonable option.
Britton
Robertson
Betances
Getting a combined 5 innings out of those 4 guys (assuming the game remained close) would not be a tremendous ask. And that’s ignoring the potential use of Chapman if they overcome a 1-run deficit in a game thAt deGrom clearly wasn’t long for.
Using those guys in the 6th inning of a winnable game is not some kind of tilt play that destroys you for days on end. Can’t do it every day, of course.
Yup. Not good. He looks like he's close - but he's still just a little off. If we have anything close to the old Zach Britton come October, he'll be a major weapon. But he's got to get right.
A lot of pitchers on this team do right now. Feels like a lot of guys are hitting a rough patch. Tanaka had a rough last start, Sevy has been struggling since the break basically. Chappy has struggled, Green hasn't been quite as good as he was in the first half, Cole turned into a turd, Holder got tagged badly @ Fenway. We just talked about Britton. Gray has been a disaster all year.
Gotta get these guys back on track.
This season is quite confusing. The past month or so has been filled with horrible losses. But the record is still on pace for 100 + wins and if they win the wild card game a date with Boston in the playoffs. That should be the entire focus for the next 44 games.