Its a shame how the Mets have potentially ruined Degrom's Cy Young season. If they gave him any run support he would be a unanimous choice. He is that good this year. I hope the votes look past his record and give it to him. He deserves it.
Its a shame how the Mets have potentially ruined Degrom's Cy Young season. If they gave him any run support he would be a unanimous choice. He is that good this year. I hope the votes look past his record and give it to him. He deserves it.
Felix Hernandez won a Cy Young with a 13-12 record and a 2.27 ERA 8 years ago. If DeGrom finishes with a 1.77 ERA he pretty much has to win.
Scherzer is still going to have a strong case because of the K's and I believe his WHIP is also lower than deGrom's. Even if deGrom finishes with a sub-2 ERA, he's not a lock.
Here's hoping we can get through a couple of innings before reaching for the mute button.
I like ARod as a studio analyst but in the booth he never shuts up. Actually all three of them never do. It's like a chat fest and sometimes they forget a game is actually going on.
You are not winning. CY with 8 wins. He also needs his ERA to be a half run lower than Scherzers. So basically he really can’t afford even one bad game
Scherzer has a 2.19 ERA... he can't win because it's not under 1?
deGrom is absolutely not a lock.
Scherzer is leading the majors in wins, games started, innings pitched, strikeouts, and is leading the NL in WHIP, k/9 and k/bb.
That’s not what I said. If deGrom is 0.50 better in era it’s bascially going to trump everything else by a wide margin for me (assuming IP is relatively the same).
Everything is just hanging... not seeing that same bite he had before. But I don't think he's hurt either. And if it was a pitch tipping issue, I think they would have rounded that up by now. I'm stumped.. maybe just a rough patch.
a two week break. Like what Boston just did with Sale. It’s pretty clear he’s fatigued, the fastball is down a few ticks, the slider is flat. I’m concerned they’re going to run him into the ground
Always felt he had the third best velocity behind Thor and Wheeler, and he still might... but its gotta be nice to be able to pump 98s when you want to.
It's not going to trump everything else by a "wide margin" in the eye of the voters, though.
It's very close. Neither guy is even remotely close to a lock and deGrom's only chance is to be half a run or better.
If Scherzer has an era down near 2 and is still leading the league in all of those categories I think he's going to win it.
What matters more than runs allowed? Ks are cool and all but they aren’t worth more in the outs column. If he’s getting more outs per runs scored that’s literally all that matters. WHIP favors Scherzer but it’s the same as Ks - are those base runners scoring or aren’t they?
I was being facetious saying he’s a lock. To your point it’s impossible to know what voter uses what criteria but I think but that’s really the only reason why I’d have any doubt. He’s been the best pitcher in baseball at doing his primary job - keeping runs from happening. His team sucking behind him should be irrelevant.
It's not going to trump everything else by a "wide margin" in the eye of the voters, though.
It's very close. Neither guy is even remotely close to a lock and deGrom's only chance is to be half a run or better.
If Scherzer has an era down near 2 and is still leading the league in all of those categories I think he's going to win it.
What matters more than runs allowed? Ks are cool and all but they aren’t worth more in the outs column. If he’s getting more outs per runs scored that’s literally all that matters. WHIP favors Scherzer but it’s the same as Ks - are those base runners scoring or aren’t they?
I was being facetious saying he’s a lock. To your point it’s impossible to know what voter uses what criteria but I think but that’s really the only reason why I’d have any doubt. He’s been the best pitcher in baseball at doing his primary job - keeping runs from happening. His team sucking behind him should be irrelevant.
Allowing runs shouldn't be solely on the pitcher. It takes 9 guys in the field. A pitcher shouldn't be penalized if he has 8 statues behind him which is why fWAR pulls from FIP more than ERA. I agree with Arc. Sherzer is the favorite for now and I'm an obvious deGrom homer.
He’s likely just fatigued. They need to give him a break
I hate to be coldhearted, but he is 24, why should he be fatigued any more than anyone else? This has been going on since the AS break and he had a nice break then.
a two week break. Like what Boston just did with Sale. It’s pretty clear he’s fatigued, the fastball is down a few ticks, the slider is flat. I’m concerned they’re going to run him into the ground
They can't afford to shut him down for two weeks.
I'm not sure he is fatigued either. He's not a frail guy like Sale, he's a big strong, young guy. Plus he's hitting 95-96 here in the 1st inning. It's not like he's down in the low 90's.
As well. He's 13-3 with a 2.28 ERA and a 1.000 WHIP. He's been spectacular and although I hate the Phillies, he definitely deserves credit for the season he's having, and on a team that is in the mix to win the division.
A lot will come down to the last 6 weeks or so of the season, obviously.
It's not going to trump everything else by a "wide margin" in the eye of the voters, though.
It's very close. Neither guy is even remotely close to a lock and deGrom's only chance is to be half a run or better.
If Scherzer has an era down near 2 and is still leading the league in all of those categories I think he's going to win it.
What matters more than runs allowed? Ks are cool and all but they aren’t worth more in the outs column. If he’s getting more outs per runs scored that’s literally all that matters. WHIP favors Scherzer but it’s the same as Ks - are those base runners scoring or aren’t they?
I was being facetious saying he’s a lock. To your point it’s impossible to know what voter uses what criteria but I think but that’s really the only reason why I’d have any doubt. He’s been the best pitcher in baseball at doing his primary job - keeping runs from happening. His team sucking behind him should be irrelevant.
Of course the primary objective is to prevent runs from scoring but when the disparity there isn't that major and one guy is leading the league in so many other categories, I think the scale is tipped in his favor.
deGrom is having an absolutely fantastic year. But I think the voters will still ultimately choose Scherzer unless the disparity in ERA is a half run+.. which I don't think it will be come seasons end.
a two week break. Like what Boston just did with Sale. It’s pretty clear he’s fatigued, the fastball is down a few ticks, the slider is flat. I’m concerned they’re going to run him into the ground
They can't afford to shut him down for two weeks.
I'm not sure he is fatigued either. He's not a frail guy like Sale, he's a big strong, young guy. Plus he's hitting 95-96 here in the 1st inning. It's not like he's down in the low 90's.
That’s down 2-3 mph from where he normally sits. So yes that’s concerning. They can afford to shut him down for two weeks. They’re not catching Boston, they have a five game wild card lead, and they’re in a weak part of the schedule. What they truly cannot afford is to have him keep pitching like this and be a complete unknown going into October.
a two week break. Like what Boston just did with Sale. It’s pretty clear he’s fatigued, the fastball is down a few ticks, the slider is flat. I’m concerned they’re going to run him into the ground
They can't afford to shut him down for two weeks.
I'm not sure he is fatigued either. He's not a frail guy like Sale, he's a big strong, young guy. Plus he's hitting 95-96 here in the 1st inning. It's not like he's down in the low 90's.
That’s down 2-3 mph from where he normally sits. So yes that’s concerning. They can afford to shut him down for two weeks. They’re not catching Boston, they have a five game wild card lead, and they’re in a weak part of the schedule. What they truly cannot afford is to have him keep pitching like this and be a complete unknown going into October.
I agree - I think everything right now should be done under the assumption that this team is going to be in the play-in. The division got away @ Fenway - I'd like to think there's still a chance but I just don't think it's going to happen. It's more important to make sure guys like Sevy are 100% (or close) going into October.
NYY are pretty much a lock for WC1 at this point. I don't know what the exact odds are, but I'm sure they're very high.
a two week break. Like what Boston just did with Sale. It’s pretty clear he’s fatigued, the fastball is down a few ticks, the slider is flat. I’m concerned they’re going to run him into the ground
They can't afford to shut him down for two weeks.
I'm not sure he is fatigued either. He's not a frail guy like Sale, he's a big strong, young guy. Plus he's hitting 95-96 here in the 1st inning. It's not like he's down in the low 90's.
That’s down 2-3 mph from where he normally sits. So yes that’s concerning. They can afford to shut him down for two weeks. They’re not catching Boston, they have a five game wild card lead, and they’re in a weak part of the schedule. What they truly cannot afford is to have him keep pitching like this and be a complete unknown going into October.
I think I saw that if deGrom gets a win tonight, it'd be the second time this year he got wins in back to back starts. That's crazy. I haven't watched a lot of the Mets, but he should easily win the Cy Young award.
in the first half. Now it’s getting taken out of the ballpark, I don’t think this gets solved by just continuing to run him out there. If we were closer to Boston I might think differently but they can afford to be cautious here.
It was only the first inning. He's hitting 98 now and was there consistently late in his last couple of starts as well.
I think it's more a release point/control issue. In the 1st half he was painting with every pitch. Putting them exactly where he wanted. He's still got good movement and velocity, but he's not hitting the spots he wants or had been.
I also disagree with being in a good enough spot to just rest him a couple of weeks. The A's are charging and I wouldn't count them out of the Divison race with the Stros. Last thing I want is a one game road WC game at Houston.
The Yanks can't assume anything at this point and every game is important for them to win. Plus while many fans have given up on catching the Sox I really doubt the Yanks team and brass have.
It's not going to trump everything else by a "wide margin" in the eye of the voters, though.
It's very close. Neither guy is even remotely close to a lock and deGrom's only chance is to be half a run or better.
If Scherzer has an era down near 2 and is still leading the league in all of those categories I think he's going to win it.
What matters more than runs allowed? Ks are cool and all but they aren’t worth more in the outs column. If he’s getting more outs per runs scored that’s literally all that matters. WHIP favors Scherzer but it’s the same as Ks - are those base runners scoring or aren’t they?
I was being facetious saying he’s a lock. To your point it’s impossible to know what voter uses what criteria but I think but that’s really the only reason why I’d have any doubt. He’s been the best pitcher in baseball at doing his primary job - keeping runs from happening. His team sucking behind him should be irrelevant.
Allowing runs shouldn't be solely on the pitcher. It takes 9 guys in the field. A pitcher shouldn't be penalized if he has 8 statues behind him which is why fWAR pulls from FIP more than ERA. I agree with Arc. Sherzer is the favorite for now and I'm an obvious deGrom homer.
I'm not following the logic of "FIP is more important than ERA, the guy with the worse FIP (and xfip) is the favorite".
Im saying peripheral wise they are very close so the edge is going to go to the guy with the more wins.. more innings... etc IMO. Yes, deGrom has a better FIP too but I think Sherzer is the winner if the season ended today.
Lets Go Yanks
Its a shame how the Mets have potentially ruined Degrom's Cy Young season. If they gave him any run support he would be a unanimous choice. He is that good this year. I hope the votes look past his record and give it to him. He deserves it.
That said...
Let's go, Yanks! :)
Lets Go Yanks
Its a shame how the Mets have potentially ruined Degrom's Cy Young season. If they gave him any run support he would be a unanimous choice. He is that good this year. I hope the votes look past his record and give it to him. He deserves it.
Felix Hernandez won a Cy Young with a 13-12 record and a 2.27 ERA 8 years ago. If DeGrom finishes with a 1.77 ERA he pretty much has to win.
deGrom is absolutely not a lock.
Scherzer is leading the majors in wins, games started, innings pitched, strikeouts, and is leading the NL in WHIP, k/9 and k/bb.
Here's hoping we can get through a couple of innings before reaching for the mute button.
I like ARod as a studio analyst but in the booth he never shuts up. Actually all three of them never do. It's like a chat fest and sometimes they forget a game is actually going on.
I would think he’d need a couple rehab starts to build his innings back up, he’s been out awhile and wouldn’t be able to give much length
deGrom is absolutely not a lock.
Scherzer is leading the majors in wins, games started, innings pitched, strikeouts, and is leading the NL in WHIP, k/9 and k/bb.
That’s not what I said. If deGrom is 0.50 better in era it’s bascially going to trump everything else by a wide margin for me (assuming IP is relatively the same).
It's very close. Neither guy is even remotely close to a lock and deGrom's only chance is to be half a run or better.
If Scherzer has an era down near 2 and is still leading the league in all of those categories I think he's going to win it.
Seems to me it's a control issue. He's already hit 95 so I don't think his arm is the problem. Plus he was hitting 98-99 at the end of his last start.
That HR wasn't off a fastball either like the analyst said it was. The pitch was 87 mph so no way was it a heater.
lol. Good call.
It's very close. Neither guy is even remotely close to a lock and deGrom's only chance is to be half a run or better.
If Scherzer has an era down near 2 and is still leading the league in all of those categories I think he's going to win it.
What matters more than runs allowed? Ks are cool and all but they aren’t worth more in the outs column. If he’s getting more outs per runs scored that’s literally all that matters. WHIP favors Scherzer but it’s the same as Ks - are those base runners scoring or aren’t they?
I was being facetious saying he’s a lock. To your point it’s impossible to know what voter uses what criteria but I think but that’s really the only reason why I’d have any doubt. He’s been the best pitcher in baseball at doing his primary job - keeping runs from happening. His team sucking behind him should be irrelevant.
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It's not going to trump everything else by a "wide margin" in the eye of the voters, though.
It's very close. Neither guy is even remotely close to a lock and deGrom's only chance is to be half a run or better.
If Scherzer has an era down near 2 and is still leading the league in all of those categories I think he's going to win it.
What matters more than runs allowed? Ks are cool and all but they aren’t worth more in the outs column. If he’s getting more outs per runs scored that’s literally all that matters. WHIP favors Scherzer but it’s the same as Ks - are those base runners scoring or aren’t they?
I was being facetious saying he’s a lock. To your point it’s impossible to know what voter uses what criteria but I think but that’s really the only reason why I’d have any doubt. He’s been the best pitcher in baseball at doing his primary job - keeping runs from happening. His team sucking behind him should be irrelevant.
Allowing runs shouldn't be solely on the pitcher. It takes 9 guys in the field. A pitcher shouldn't be penalized if he has 8 statues behind him which is why fWAR pulls from FIP more than ERA. I agree with Arc. Sherzer is the favorite for now and I'm an obvious deGrom homer.
I hate to be coldhearted, but he is 24, why should he be fatigued any more than anyone else? This has been going on since the AS break and he had a nice break then.
They can't afford to shut him down for two weeks.
I'm not sure he is fatigued either. He's not a frail guy like Sale, he's a big strong, young guy. Plus he's hitting 95-96 here in the 1st inning. It's not like he's down in the low 90's.
Weird,
A lot will come down to the last 6 weeks or so of the season, obviously.
Weird,
Ask Matt den Dekker and Travis d'Arnaud.
Weird,
I had a customer of Dutch descent who had a similar name and that's how his name started as well.
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It's not going to trump everything else by a "wide margin" in the eye of the voters, though.
It's very close. Neither guy is even remotely close to a lock and deGrom's only chance is to be half a run or better.
If Scherzer has an era down near 2 and is still leading the league in all of those categories I think he's going to win it.
What matters more than runs allowed? Ks are cool and all but they aren’t worth more in the outs column. If he’s getting more outs per runs scored that’s literally all that matters. WHIP favors Scherzer but it’s the same as Ks - are those base runners scoring or aren’t they?
I was being facetious saying he’s a lock. To your point it’s impossible to know what voter uses what criteria but I think but that’s really the only reason why I’d have any doubt. He’s been the best pitcher in baseball at doing his primary job - keeping runs from happening. His team sucking behind him should be irrelevant.
Of course the primary objective is to prevent runs from scoring but when the disparity there isn't that major and one guy is leading the league in so many other categories, I think the scale is tipped in his favor.
deGrom is having an absolutely fantastic year. But I think the voters will still ultimately choose Scherzer unless the disparity in ERA is a half run+.. which I don't think it will be come seasons end.
Boo. Just Booooooooooooooo. Awful, but accurate representation of the defensive effort displayed by this team in the past two weeks.
Todd Frazier would have dived on his teeth for that. Just piss poor.
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a two week break. Like what Boston just did with Sale. It’s pretty clear he’s fatigued, the fastball is down a few ticks, the slider is flat. I’m concerned they’re going to run him into the ground
They can't afford to shut him down for two weeks.
I'm not sure he is fatigued either. He's not a frail guy like Sale, he's a big strong, young guy. Plus he's hitting 95-96 here in the 1st inning. It's not like he's down in the low 90's.
That’s down 2-3 mph from where he normally sits. So yes that’s concerning. They can afford to shut him down for two weeks. They’re not catching Boston, they have a five game wild card lead, and they’re in a weak part of the schedule. What they truly cannot afford is to have him keep pitching like this and be a complete unknown going into October.
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a two week break. Like what Boston just did with Sale. It’s pretty clear he’s fatigued, the fastball is down a few ticks, the slider is flat. I’m concerned they’re going to run him into the ground
They can't afford to shut him down for two weeks.
I'm not sure he is fatigued either. He's not a frail guy like Sale, he's a big strong, young guy. Plus he's hitting 95-96 here in the 1st inning. It's not like he's down in the low 90's.
That’s down 2-3 mph from where he normally sits. So yes that’s concerning. They can afford to shut him down for two weeks. They’re not catching Boston, they have a five game wild card lead, and they’re in a weak part of the schedule. What they truly cannot afford is to have him keep pitching like this and be a complete unknown going into October.
I agree - I think everything right now should be done under the assumption that this team is going to be in the play-in. The division got away @ Fenway - I'd like to think there's still a chance but I just don't think it's going to happen. It's more important to make sure guys like Sevy are 100% (or close) going into October.
NYY are pretty much a lock for WC1 at this point. I don't know what the exact odds are, but I'm sure they're very high.
Nice pitch to get Conforto.
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a two week break. Like what Boston just did with Sale. It’s pretty clear he’s fatigued, the fastball is down a few ticks, the slider is flat. I’m concerned they’re going to run him into the ground
They can't afford to shut him down for two weeks.
I'm not sure he is fatigued either. He's not a frail guy like Sale, he's a big strong, young guy. Plus he's hitting 95-96 here in the 1st inning. It's not like he's down in the low 90's.
That’s down 2-3 mph from where he normally sits. So yes that’s concerning. They can afford to shut him down for two weeks. They’re not catching Boston, they have a five game wild card lead, and they’re in a weak part of the schedule. What they truly cannot afford is to have him keep pitching like this and be a complete unknown going into October.
Completely agree.
I think it's more a release point/control issue. In the 1st half he was painting with every pitch. Putting them exactly where he wanted. He's still got good movement and velocity, but he's not hitting the spots he wants or had been.
I also disagree with being in a good enough spot to just rest him a couple of weeks. The A's are charging and I wouldn't count them out of the Divison race with the Stros. Last thing I want is a one game road WC game at Houston.
The Yanks can't assume anything at this point and every game is important for them to win. Plus while many fans have given up on catching the Sox I really doubt the Yanks team and brass have.
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It's not going to trump everything else by a "wide margin" in the eye of the voters, though.
It's very close. Neither guy is even remotely close to a lock and deGrom's only chance is to be half a run or better.
If Scherzer has an era down near 2 and is still leading the league in all of those categories I think he's going to win it.
What matters more than runs allowed? Ks are cool and all but they aren’t worth more in the outs column. If he’s getting more outs per runs scored that’s literally all that matters. WHIP favors Scherzer but it’s the same as Ks - are those base runners scoring or aren’t they?
I was being facetious saying he’s a lock. To your point it’s impossible to know what voter uses what criteria but I think but that’s really the only reason why I’d have any doubt. He’s been the best pitcher in baseball at doing his primary job - keeping runs from happening. His team sucking behind him should be irrelevant.
Allowing runs shouldn't be solely on the pitcher. It takes 9 guys in the field. A pitcher shouldn't be penalized if he has 8 statues behind him which is why fWAR pulls from FIP more than ERA. I agree with Arc. Sherzer is the favorite for now and I'm an obvious deGrom homer.
I'm not following the logic of "FIP is more important than ERA, the guy with the worse FIP (and xfip) is the favorite".