It's more wishful thinking than anything else... if we haven't seen Sheff yet, I seriously doubt we see him at all. I forgot about Chance Adams, who promptly went back down to the minors and stunk it up again.
They really needed Toe or another RHH up here to give Didi or Gardy a day off, but they also needed 13 pitchers. Some days, it seemed like 13 pitchers wasn't even enough.
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that it is right knee inflammation for CC. They also optioned INF Luke Voit to SWB, and transferred LHP Jordan Montgomery to the 60-day D.L. It seems like Sheffield should get a call up, but last week it appeared they wanted to give Adams another start.
so he's lined up pretty well for CC's next start, though I'd love to give the kids a look.
That can't afford to give Sonny another start, IMO. Especially with the way he pitched yesterday.
Kay seemed to think it would be Adams or Sheffield and just said he was told Sheffield is sceduled to pitch tomorrow in AAA and Adams to go on Friday.
Seems like Adams makes the most sense and they did sound like they wanted to give him another start after pitching well vs Boston.
so he's lined up pretty well for CC's next start, though I'd love to give the kids a look.
That can't afford to give Sonny another start, IMO. Especially with the way he pitched yesterday.
Kay seemed to think it would be Adams or Sheffield and just said he was told Sheffield is sceduled to pitch tomorrow in AAA and Adams to go on Friday.
Seems like Adams makes the most sense and they did sound like they wanted to give him another start after pitching well vs Boston.
Not to mention, Adams is on the 40-man roster, Sheffield is not.
so he's lined up pretty well for CC's next start, though I'd love to give the kids a look.
That can't afford to give Sonny another start, IMO. Especially with the way he pitched yesterday.
Kay seemed to think it would be Adams or Sheffield and just said he was told Sheffield is sceduled to pitch tomorrow in AAA and Adams to go on Friday.
Seems like Adams makes the most sense and they did sound like they wanted to give him another start after pitching well vs Boston.
Not to mention, Adams is on the 40-man roster, Sheffield is not.
Yeah but they're going to have to put him on it sooner or later. If he can help, do it now and not wait for September call ups.
I think if it lined up to be his day to start, they might've but it just seems easier to go with Adams on his day. Could be Cessa too I guess but it's just speculation at this point.
Thinking this might be similar to what the Red Sox just did with Sale... I don't think CC is really hurt. Sore, maybe.
I don't think he's injured but he's been dealing with that knee for a while now. I'm sure there's some soreness going on there and wouldn't doubt he had to get it drained again. He did land on it pretty hard a couple of starts ago when he hit and stuck in the turf making that huge divot. Might've caused it to flare up again.
If so, no need to rush him back, just give him the ten days to deal with it and heal up.
I think the Yankees know the division got away a couple weeks ago when we got swept @ Fenway.
From here through September, I think the focus is going to be getting this team ready to win a Wild Card play-in on October 3rd and hopefully make another deep postseason run. So, we'll see some maintenance and perhaps some younger guys getting more opportunities.
If it were October now, no doubt in my mind CC is not on the DL.
I think the Yankees know the division got away a couple weeks ago when we got swept @ Fenway.
From here through September, I think the focus is going to be getting this team ready to win a Wild Card play-in on October 3rd and hopefully make another deep postseason run. So, we'll see some maintenance and perhaps some younger guys getting more opportunities.
If it were October now, no doubt in my mind CC is not on the DL.
And how will that happen? Imo, something is up with Severino. They should make up a bullshit injury like the Red Sox did with Sale. Severino either needs time to clear his head, see if he is tipping his pitches, or just get some rest. But something needs to change with him. He has been awful based on his standards for far too long. Without him we have no shot in the playoffs.
I think the Yankees know the division got away a couple weeks ago when we got swept @ Fenway.
From here through September, I think the focus is going to be getting this team ready to win a Wild Card play-in on October 3rd and hopefully make another deep postseason run. So, we'll see some maintenance and perhaps some younger guys getting more opportunities.
If it were October now, no doubt in my mind CC is not on the DL.
And how will that happen? Imo, something is up with Severino. They should make up a bullshit injury like the Red Sox did with Sale. Severino either needs time to clear his head, see if he is tipping his pitches, or just get some rest. But something needs to change with him. He has been awful based on his standards for far too long. Without him we have no shot in the playoffs.
I think the "no chance in the playoffs" without a strong Severino is much too much of an overreaction.
Remember that Severino could not even get out of the 1st inning in the Wild Card game against the Twins last year.
He did pitch well in his one game against the Indians- but then threw one good game and one bad game against the Astros.
It was actually Tanaka who was the Yanks playoff ace. He was dominant in winning two of his three playoff starts- and lost a 2-1 pitchers duel in game 1 of the ALCS against Keuchel. I would note that Tanaka has been relatively strong in his last 14 starts after a tough start to the season, so he at least appears to be in form and keeps his team in the game.
Don't forget that Lance Lynn has significant post-season experience- including World Series games- though none since 2015 (he missed 2016 with TJ surgery).
CC also has significant post-season experience- including 4 starts against Cleveland and Houston last year. He did beat Houston in game 3- though he lost in game 7, but the blame can't really go on him since the Yanks offense didn't even bother to score in game 7. CC also had a decent start in game 2 against Cleveland before Chad Green came in and let the Indians score 3 in the 6th to tie the game. He was also very effective against the Indians in game 5 before losing command in the 5th and letting the bullpen (Robertson) win the game.
Don't get too locked in on Severino being the difference. Remember that if the Yanks get to Boston, Severino would almost certainly be matched against Sale, which would pretty much neutralize him no matter how well he pitched. Those starts would likely turn on each team's bullpen.
Instead focus on the subsequent match-ups. Tanaka can match-up well with any of Boston's starters. Happ was acquired just because he is so very effective against Boston. CC can give you 5 innings that are good enough against anyone's #4 SP.
The reality is that- just like last year- how well the Yanks fare in the playoffs will largely depend on their offense. If we get the powerhouse that was dominant in May through early July, they can go far. If we get the sputtering version that came out of the All Star break, it probably won't matter how good the SP are.
Winner now plays team with best record regardless of whether they are from same division. So if severino pitches wild card game he would be in wild card game and then likely game 3 and not against Sale in 1/4 (or 5).
I think the Yankees know the division got away a couple weeks ago when we got swept @ Fenway.
From here through September, I think the focus is going to be getting this team ready to win a Wild Card play-in on October 3rd and hopefully make another deep postseason run. So, we'll see some maintenance and perhaps some younger guys getting more opportunities.
If it were October now, no doubt in my mind CC is not on the DL.
And how will that happen? Imo, something is up with Severino. They should make up a bullshit injury like the Red Sox did with Sale. Severino either needs time to clear his head, see if he is tipping his pitches, or just get some rest. But something needs to change with him. He has been awful based on his standards for far too long. Without him we have no shot in the playoffs.
I think the "no chance in the playoffs" without a strong Severino is much too much of an overreaction.
Remember that Severino could not even get out of the 1st inning in the Wild Card game against the Twins last year.
He did pitch well in his one game against the Indians- but then threw one good game and one bad game against the Astros.
It was actually Tanaka who was the Yanks playoff ace. He was dominant in winning two of his three playoff starts- and lost a 2-1 pitchers duel in game 1 of the ALCS against Keuchel. I would note that Tanaka has been relatively strong in his last 14 starts after a tough start to the season, so he at least appears to be in form and keeps his team in the game.
Don't forget that Lance Lynn has significant post-season experience- including World Series games- though none since 2015 (he missed 2016 with TJ surgery).
CC also has significant post-season experience- including 4 starts against Cleveland and Houston last year. He did beat Houston in game 3- though he lost in game 7, but the blame can't really go on him since the Yanks offense didn't even bother to score in game 7. CC also had a decent start in game 2 against Cleveland before Chad Green came in and let the Indians score 3 in the 6th to tie the game. He was also very effective against the Indians in game 5 before losing command in the 5th and letting the bullpen (Robertson) win the game.
Don't get too locked in on Severino being the difference. Remember that if the Yanks get to Boston, Severino would almost certainly be matched against Sale, which would pretty much neutralize him no matter how well he pitched. Those starts would likely turn on each team's bullpen.
Instead focus on the subsequent match-ups. Tanaka can match-up well with any of Boston's starters. Happ was acquired just because he is so very effective against Boston. CC can give you 5 innings that are good enough against anyone's #4 SP.
The reality is that- just like last year- how well the Yanks fare in the playoffs will largely depend on their offense. If we get the powerhouse that was dominant in May through early July, they can go far. If we get the sputtering version that came out of the All Star break, it probably won't matter how good the SP are.
Good post, Rich.
Robbie - I think they just need to focus on getting healthy at this point and stop worrying about chasing the Red Sox. We aren't going to catch them and don't need to rush players back or feel like we can't give Severino a break because we'll lose another game in the ALE.
I know we can't take the WC1 spot for granted, but I don't think Oakland or Seattle will catch us and am not really worried about it.
Per FanGraphs, NYY currently have a 99.8% chance to make the postseason. Obviously we want the play-in game to be @ YS2 but I really just think at this point the most important thing is to get Judge and Sanchez right, get Sevy some rest if we can (he can say he's not tired, I don't buy that there's nothing wrong - he's not the same pitcher right now that he was before the break), get CC healthy, etc.
The other problem is the bullpen. At the time we acquired Britton, the narrative was basically "well, now this pen is unfair - one of the best bullpens ever"
But a lot of these guys are struggling now. Cole has been flat bad. Holder and Green haven't been quite as sharp. Chappy's struggles have been well-documented and Britton just isn't there yet. Robertson and Betances seem to be the only guys you can trust to get outs right now.
So, we've got to get that sorted out as well.
RE: Regarding Sale matchup remember that wild card
Winner now plays team with best record regardless of whether they are from same division. So if severino pitches wild card game he would be in wild card game and then likely game 3 and not against Sale in 1/4 (or 5).
Actually, I don't think the Yanks would pitch Severino in the Wild Card game. I think Tanaka gets the start.
Assuming that the Yanks win the WC game, there is an off-day for travel to Boston. The Yanks would then match Severino against Sale in game 1 in Boston, then game 2 in Boston would likely be Happ- who has been highly successful against Boston. The goal there is to take one- hopefully two in Boston and get the series to NY for two games.
The off-day after game 2 would allow the Yanks to go with Tanaka in game 3 at home, followed by CC in game 4- and allow them to use Severino in any potential game 5.
To demonstrate why the Yanks would do this, consider the alternative.
If the Yanks started Severino in the WC game, assuming they win, that forces the Yanks to start Tanaka in game 1, Happ in game 2, then Severino is not rested enough to start until game 3- and that would be the only start he makes in the series- with CC in game 4 and Tanaka in game 5.
Remember how good Tanaka has been in the last 14 starts- ignore the bad start. He is about as good as he has been in a Yankee uniform and is pitching like the team ace right now. Severino is pressing- and it would be better to save him for a long series rather than push him in a one-and-done game.
Sometimes when a SP is pushed well beyond their prior career IP high, the effects don't show up until the next season.
In Severino's case, before 2017, his prior career high for IP in a season was the 162 IP he threw in 2015. However, in 2017, he not only pitched 193 IP in the regular season, but then added another 16 IP in the playoffs, for around 209-210 IP. That's a big jump. Add in that his season was longer than it had ever been before by about a month- which gave him less "down time" in the off-season.
Note that we are about 7 weeks from the end of the 2018 season- and Severino has already pitched 154 IP- a pace that if he does not skip starts and stays healthy, would put him somewhere near 200 IP, maybe a little more.
I think he is simply showing the effects of a boost in workload over a rather short period of time. It might be worth giving him 10 days on the DL to give him a chance to catch his breath.
Its not like it wasnt expected. He was a mess physically last year too.
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That can't afford to give Sonny another start, IMO. Especially with the way he pitched yesterday.
Kay seemed to think it would be Adams or Sheffield and just said he was told Sheffield is sceduled to pitch tomorrow in AAA and Adams to go on Friday.
Seems like Adams makes the most sense and they did sound like they wanted to give him another start after pitching well vs Boston.
I think they might be hesitant to give him another (or his next) start at Yankee Stadium. I can definitely see them going the Cessa route.
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so he's lined up pretty well for CC's next start, though I'd love to give the kids a look.
That can't afford to give Sonny another start, IMO. Especially with the way he pitched yesterday.
Kay seemed to think it would be Adams or Sheffield and just said he was told Sheffield is sceduled to pitch tomorrow in AAA and Adams to go on Friday.
Seems like Adams makes the most sense and they did sound like they wanted to give him another start after pitching well vs Boston.
That's what I was thinking. Not a bad idea.
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so he's lined up pretty well for CC's next start, though I'd love to give the kids a look.
That can't afford to give Sonny another start, IMO. Especially with the way he pitched yesterday.
Kay seemed to think it would be Adams or Sheffield and just said he was told Sheffield is sceduled to pitch tomorrow in AAA and Adams to go on Friday.
Seems like Adams makes the most sense and they did sound like they wanted to give him another start after pitching well vs Boston.
Not to mention, Adams is on the 40-man roster, Sheffield is not.
Yeah but they're going to have to put him on it sooner or later. If he can help, do it now and not wait for September call ups.
I think if it lined up to be his day to start, they might've but it just seems easier to go with Adams on his day. Could be Cessa too I guess but it's just speculation at this point.
I don't think he's injured but he's been dealing with that knee for a while now. I'm sure there's some soreness going on there and wouldn't doubt he had to get it drained again. He did land on it pretty hard a couple of starts ago when he hit and stuck in the turf making that huge divot. Might've caused it to flare up again.
If so, no need to rush him back, just give him the ten days to deal with it and heal up.
Exactly what the Sox did with Sale, who was no more hurt than anyone else..
From here through September, I think the focus is going to be getting this team ready to win a Wild Card play-in on October 3rd and hopefully make another deep postseason run. So, we'll see some maintenance and perhaps some younger guys getting more opportunities.
If it were October now, no doubt in my mind CC is not on the DL.
From here through September, I think the focus is going to be getting this team ready to win a Wild Card play-in on October 3rd and hopefully make another deep postseason run. So, we'll see some maintenance and perhaps some younger guys getting more opportunities.
If it were October now, no doubt in my mind CC is not on the DL.
And how will that happen? Imo, something is up with Severino. They should make up a bullshit injury like the Red Sox did with Sale. Severino either needs time to clear his head, see if he is tipping his pitches, or just get some rest. But something needs to change with him. He has been awful based on his standards for far too long. Without him we have no shot in the playoffs.
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I think the Yankees know the division got away a couple weeks ago when we got swept @ Fenway.
From here through September, I think the focus is going to be getting this team ready to win a Wild Card play-in on October 3rd and hopefully make another deep postseason run. So, we'll see some maintenance and perhaps some younger guys getting more opportunities.
If it were October now, no doubt in my mind CC is not on the DL.
And how will that happen? Imo, something is up with Severino. They should make up a bullshit injury like the Red Sox did with Sale. Severino either needs time to clear his head, see if he is tipping his pitches, or just get some rest. But something needs to change with him. He has been awful based on his standards for far too long. Without him we have no shot in the playoffs.
I think the "no chance in the playoffs" without a strong Severino is much too much of an overreaction.
Remember that Severino could not even get out of the 1st inning in the Wild Card game against the Twins last year.
He did pitch well in his one game against the Indians- but then threw one good game and one bad game against the Astros.
It was actually Tanaka who was the Yanks playoff ace. He was dominant in winning two of his three playoff starts- and lost a 2-1 pitchers duel in game 1 of the ALCS against Keuchel. I would note that Tanaka has been relatively strong in his last 14 starts after a tough start to the season, so he at least appears to be in form and keeps his team in the game.
Don't forget that Lance Lynn has significant post-season experience- including World Series games- though none since 2015 (he missed 2016 with TJ surgery).
CC also has significant post-season experience- including 4 starts against Cleveland and Houston last year. He did beat Houston in game 3- though he lost in game 7, but the blame can't really go on him since the Yanks offense didn't even bother to score in game 7. CC also had a decent start in game 2 against Cleveland before Chad Green came in and let the Indians score 3 in the 6th to tie the game. He was also very effective against the Indians in game 5 before losing command in the 5th and letting the bullpen (Robertson) win the game.
Don't get too locked in on Severino being the difference. Remember that if the Yanks get to Boston, Severino would almost certainly be matched against Sale, which would pretty much neutralize him no matter how well he pitched. Those starts would likely turn on each team's bullpen.
Instead focus on the subsequent match-ups. Tanaka can match-up well with any of Boston's starters. Happ was acquired just because he is so very effective against Boston. CC can give you 5 innings that are good enough against anyone's #4 SP.
The reality is that- just like last year- how well the Yanks fare in the playoffs will largely depend on their offense. If we get the powerhouse that was dominant in May through early July, they can go far. If we get the sputtering version that came out of the All Star break, it probably won't matter how good the SP are.
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I think the Yankees know the division got away a couple weeks ago when we got swept @ Fenway.
From here through September, I think the focus is going to be getting this team ready to win a Wild Card play-in on October 3rd and hopefully make another deep postseason run. So, we'll see some maintenance and perhaps some younger guys getting more opportunities.
If it were October now, no doubt in my mind CC is not on the DL.
And how will that happen? Imo, something is up with Severino. They should make up a bullshit injury like the Red Sox did with Sale. Severino either needs time to clear his head, see if he is tipping his pitches, or just get some rest. But something needs to change with him. He has been awful based on his standards for far too long. Without him we have no shot in the playoffs.
I think the "no chance in the playoffs" without a strong Severino is much too much of an overreaction.
Remember that Severino could not even get out of the 1st inning in the Wild Card game against the Twins last year.
He did pitch well in his one game against the Indians- but then threw one good game and one bad game against the Astros.
It was actually Tanaka who was the Yanks playoff ace. He was dominant in winning two of his three playoff starts- and lost a 2-1 pitchers duel in game 1 of the ALCS against Keuchel. I would note that Tanaka has been relatively strong in his last 14 starts after a tough start to the season, so he at least appears to be in form and keeps his team in the game.
Don't forget that Lance Lynn has significant post-season experience- including World Series games- though none since 2015 (he missed 2016 with TJ surgery).
CC also has significant post-season experience- including 4 starts against Cleveland and Houston last year. He did beat Houston in game 3- though he lost in game 7, but the blame can't really go on him since the Yanks offense didn't even bother to score in game 7. CC also had a decent start in game 2 against Cleveland before Chad Green came in and let the Indians score 3 in the 6th to tie the game. He was also very effective against the Indians in game 5 before losing command in the 5th and letting the bullpen (Robertson) win the game.
Don't get too locked in on Severino being the difference. Remember that if the Yanks get to Boston, Severino would almost certainly be matched against Sale, which would pretty much neutralize him no matter how well he pitched. Those starts would likely turn on each team's bullpen.
Instead focus on the subsequent match-ups. Tanaka can match-up well with any of Boston's starters. Happ was acquired just because he is so very effective against Boston. CC can give you 5 innings that are good enough against anyone's #4 SP.
The reality is that- just like last year- how well the Yanks fare in the playoffs will largely depend on their offense. If we get the powerhouse that was dominant in May through early July, they can go far. If we get the sputtering version that came out of the All Star break, it probably won't matter how good the SP are.
Good post, Rich.
Robbie - I think they just need to focus on getting healthy at this point and stop worrying about chasing the Red Sox. We aren't going to catch them and don't need to rush players back or feel like we can't give Severino a break because we'll lose another game in the ALE.
I know we can't take the WC1 spot for granted, but I don't think Oakland or Seattle will catch us and am not really worried about it.
Per FanGraphs, NYY currently have a 99.8% chance to make the postseason. Obviously we want the play-in game to be @ YS2 but I really just think at this point the most important thing is to get Judge and Sanchez right, get Sevy some rest if we can (he can say he's not tired, I don't buy that there's nothing wrong - he's not the same pitcher right now that he was before the break), get CC healthy, etc.
The other problem is the bullpen. At the time we acquired Britton, the narrative was basically "well, now this pen is unfair - one of the best bullpens ever"
But a lot of these guys are struggling now. Cole has been flat bad. Holder and Green haven't been quite as sharp. Chappy's struggles have been well-documented and Britton just isn't there yet. Robertson and Betances seem to be the only guys you can trust to get outs right now.
So, we've got to get that sorted out as well.
Actually, I don't think the Yanks would pitch Severino in the Wild Card game. I think Tanaka gets the start.
Assuming that the Yanks win the WC game, there is an off-day for travel to Boston. The Yanks would then match Severino against Sale in game 1 in Boston, then game 2 in Boston would likely be Happ- who has been highly successful against Boston. The goal there is to take one- hopefully two in Boston and get the series to NY for two games.
The off-day after game 2 would allow the Yanks to go with Tanaka in game 3 at home, followed by CC in game 4- and allow them to use Severino in any potential game 5.
To demonstrate why the Yanks would do this, consider the alternative.
If the Yanks started Severino in the WC game, assuming they win, that forces the Yanks to start Tanaka in game 1, Happ in game 2, then Severino is not rested enough to start until game 3- and that would be the only start he makes in the series- with CC in game 4 and Tanaka in game 5.
Remember how good Tanaka has been in the last 14 starts- ignore the bad start. He is about as good as he has been in a Yankee uniform and is pitching like the team ace right now. Severino is pressing- and it would be better to save him for a long series rather than push him in a one-and-done game.
In Severino's case, before 2017, his prior career high for IP in a season was the 162 IP he threw in 2015. However, in 2017, he not only pitched 193 IP in the regular season, but then added another 16 IP in the playoffs, for around 209-210 IP. That's a big jump. Add in that his season was longer than it had ever been before by about a month- which gave him less "down time" in the off-season.
Note that we are about 7 weeks from the end of the 2018 season- and Severino has already pitched 154 IP- a pace that if he does not skip starts and stays healthy, would put him somewhere near 200 IP, maybe a little more.
I think he is simply showing the effects of a boost in workload over a rather short period of time. It might be worth giving him 10 days on the DL to give him a chance to catch his breath.