It's amazing how addicted we are to our phones. My most peaceful times are when I go for a 4-5 mile walk outdoors with no cell phone. It's good to disengage from time to time.
Hopefully the rest of the world will follow suit, Â
I thiught we do the same in nyc. Lock phone away til the school is over
We do but the effectiveness is different in every school. France banning them from school grounds in theory sounds great but that doesn't seem realistic. If I have a kid in school then I want my kid to have a phone when he isn't in school if he needs me. That cannot happen if you are totally keeping them off school grounds and it isn't like there are pay phones around anymore for kids to use.
I thiught we do the same in nyc. Lock phone away til the school is over
We do but the effectiveness is different in every school. France banning them from school grounds in theory sounds great but that doesn't seem realistic. If I have a kid in school then I want my kid to have a phone when he isn't in school if he needs me. That cannot happen if you are totally keeping them off school grounds and it isn't like there are pay phones around anymore for kids to use.
they can just implement those locking bags that they started using at comedy shows.
RE: Hopefully the rest of the world will follow suit, Â
Not true. I use them in some of my lessons. We don't have access to a ton of computers so there are some websites that I like to use to make learning more fun. Obviously, I don't have to use that method but with anything mixing it up is the key. If you do the same thing every day then it loses its luster. You also have to know your population. My honors kids liked it. My non-honors kids actually loved it. It got them to focus more and participate more. Anything that gets the kids to take more of an interest in their learning is something I will be in favor of.
I thiught we do the same in nyc. Lock phone away til the school is over
We do but the effectiveness is different in every school. France banning them from school grounds in theory sounds great but that doesn't seem realistic. If I have a kid in school then I want my kid to have a phone when he isn't in school if he needs me. That cannot happen if you are totally keeping them off school grounds and it isn't like there are pay phones around anymore for kids to use.
They’re not banning them from school grounds, they are banning their use during the school day. Phones have to be kept in backpacks or will be confiscated until the end of the school day.
most likely 3-15 year olds are going to be using phones to text, watch youtube videos (or naughty America in the case of 13 year old boys) and use snapchat rather than using phones to access educational sites (and presumably these schools have computers that allow access to online educational sites where the teachers can monitor the screens).
that being said, who in their right mind would give their 3 year old a phone? I didn't think parents gave their kids phones until they were old enough to walk home from school by themselves (usually around 9-10), and even that, with strict controls on the device.
Next they should ban parents from using their phones Â
in MA at least (which was named best schools in the country) is they have begun using mobile as an essential teaching tool.
My kids used to have major restrictions on their phones (time of day and data) but now they complain that they have to do their homework assignments online. Yes, it could be on their laptop or iPad, but what's the difference?
That could mean anything. Is that just for kids that play sports and stay late after school? Is that for students who have some kind of disability where they may need to call someone in case of an emergency?
I'm not trying to be difficult. All I am saying is that there is a difference between having phones locked away during school hours and prohibiting their use on school grounds.
NYC has the rule where all cell phones are allowed on the premises but they must be locked away during school hours. This is also up to the discretion of the teacher in the class.
The problem with that are the majority of kids lie about having a cell phone and you cannot physically search each kid every day to make sure they have it or don't have it. The worst with lying ... my honors kids. All year when I tried to do some fun activities with a group competition in class I needed one cell phone per group and they could see their progress on the board through the website. I could barely find enough cell phones to have one at each group (6). When the state test came and they had to hand their phones in prior to the test more than half the kids had cell phones. They were scared of getting in trouble for having it all year so they kept it a secret for months. Haha.
they have signal blockers, but the school system we are in getting a phone signal inside of the school building is very difficult. My wife works for the school district and when she leaves for the day, her texts that she missed start pinging and any calls go right to voicemail.
If I need to get in touch, I use her school email.
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in MA at least (which was named best schools in the country) is they have begun using mobile as an essential teaching tool.
My kids used to have major restrictions on their phones (time of day and data) but now they complain that they have to do their homework assignments online. Yes, it could be on their laptop or iPad, but what's the difference?
I agree with that. It gets tough. I always ask the kids if they have unlimited data before doing anything with their phones. In my school and other schools I have been at we are basically forced to have our grades online and assignments online. I try to be very flexible with what is expected of them and convenient. We have a workbook and while it isn't the best way to do homework I am consistent with that so the students always know their HW is in one place. I will post the assignment online but I will also have a huge piece of chart paper with their HW written for the entire quarter so there is no excuse.
Now, in the past, we were told we cannot have homework that is exclusively online because not every student has access to the internet. Then this past year our AP used this one online program with her own son and forced us to give it to all students. They just make up things as they go along. It isn't fair to everybody especially since I work in a low socioeconomic area. And even if it isn't a low socioeconomic area it is difficult to just spring that up on students and parents out of nowhere.
Robbie - the scores and tracking part I absolutely love Â
we, like many school systems, have an online portal.
Our teachers are all incredibly diligent about updating it quickly, even for my 5th grader, not just my kids in high school.
I know every night any new test results, quiz results, project results, homework results, etc.
My wife is like a pitbull with the kids. "why did you get a 0 on a homework assignment?" and they always have some answer, but without a doubt the result has been better awareness and grades for my kids because their grades don't slip without us knowing.
The kids hate it. LOL. My wife knows their test scores before they get home from school many times.
Score one for technology on that one. Not sure how teachers feel about it, but as a parent I love it.
RE: Hopefully the rest of the world will follow suit, Â
in MA at least (which was named best schools in the country) is they have begun using mobile as an essential teaching tool.
My kids used to have major restrictions on their phones (time of day and data) but now they complain that they have to do their homework assignments online. Yes, it could be on their laptop or iPad, but what's the difference?
I get my guys (college aged dudes overseas) to use them in class. Works like a charm for most, but it depends on your population of course.
they have signal blockers, but the school system we are in getting a phone signal inside of the school building is very difficult. My wife works for the school district and when she leaves for the day, her texts that she missed start pinging and any calls go right to voicemail.
If I need to get in touch, I use her school email.
Same with our schools. Very hard to get text messages through during the day.
I feel most schools do that now. Every school I have been at does that. I like it but I hate it that parents/students don't use it at all let alone as often as your family does.
When I was in school we knew our overall grade when the teacher submitted the grades so some grades were a shock to kids. Nowadays, their grades are constantly updated with no surprises. My population of students, for the most part, never check. It is so frustrating. The parents are for the most part great in terms of not getting on my case about their grades but every now and then you get some parents that complain that they didn't know their kid was missing homework. I also am not in charge of the technology in our school and give seminars to parents on how to use the site/app to get their kid's information. Like teaching, parenting, or whatever, the more you do for someone else the less they wind up doing. Not only are all of the assignments posted, I post their homework weeks in advance, I have meeting with individual students constantly to let them know where they stand, what they need to correct their grade, when I am available for extra help, contacting parents, etc. We bend over backwards and they do less. I feel it has had the opposite effect on the students that we want. We want them to learn to take ownership of their learning and actions, we want them to learn to become independent, we want them to think for themselves, we want to teach them good work habits, etc. All of this extra stuff is supposed to be ideal like the way you use it but a lot of times is has the opposite effect and we are actually making these kids more dependent on others.
Where the kids are learning to make apps for their phones.
To be honest, the rule in the office is well intentioned, but the age thing is kinda ridiculous. What if you teach classes to mixed grades? I wouldn't want to be complicit in kids breaking the law, but some of my students might be allowed phones while others are not.
Solving education problems at a national level seems to inevitably interfere with the teacher's ability to teach the course in the ideal manner.
Where the kids are learning to make apps for their phones.
To be honest, the rule in the office is well intentioned, but the age thing is kinda ridiculous. What if you teach classes to mixed grades? I wouldn't want to be complicit in kids breaking the law, but some of my students might be allowed phones while others are not.
Solving education problems at a national level seems to inevitably interfere with the teacher's ability to teach the course in the ideal manner.
While I agree with that, I think a big issues is not the learning that is going on in schools but rather the lawsuits that are involving cell phones for one reason or another whether it be bullying incidents being recorded and sent to other students or phones getting stolen. I am sure there are other reasons but these seem to be the 2 main things that occur to me. The school basically takes the responsibility off of themselves with their policy and puts it on others.
Reminds me of the fidget spinner craze froma couple years ago... Â
First few days, lots of the spinners and they were distracting to the other students. But it didn't last long. Within the first week kids in my class barely noticed them. Meanwhile I saw teachers freaking out in the lunch room because kids were playing with them and wanting them banned. In my opinion the biggest problems come from the over reaction of many teachers. Whenever these kinds of distractions come up I take it as a challenge and reminder to make my own classroom activities interesting enough that kids forget about the distractions.
...sent out a letter this summer encouraging parents of any child in grade 6 and up to have a phone. Mostly likely for safety reasons. We had a couple instances on severe weather this winter where they should have dismissed early and sat on the fence too long. One night in particular ending in numerous buses stuck in ditches, many being driven by maintenance staff because drivers couldn't get in, and the last of the kids not released from the buildings until about 10PM. All the incoming phone traffic from parents basically going through the front desk and principal's land lines for 7-8 hours.
I don't think it's an issue that needs to be overcomplicated. Let the state or districts set overall guidelines/restrictions and give the teachers power to tailor to their class needs.
I never bought the whole "it helps keeps kids focused" bullshit on those. Yes, they were annoying as hell but, I agree, bringing attention to them made it more annoying. Then you get into arguments with students about taking them away and everybody suffers. You have to know your kids. I like to be consistent. We have hour and a half classes so my rule is everything away while we are getting the lesson in and then when I am done with that then they can have those stupid things our under one condition, they have to be working. It is simple and the kids respect it. It gives them an opportunity to show some maturity while giving them no leverage if they cannot control themselves which makes it easier to take it or make them put it away.
should be taught how to use their phones in a way that aren't going to damage their reputations/job prospects etc, as well as the science and technology behind how phones are made and how apps work, coding, networking etc. given how many industries and jobs are developing around phones and apps, it would be putting kids at a disadvantage by not giving them some basics.
at the same time, they should not have free reign to be on their phones while their teachers are going through lessons.
I never bought the whole "it helps keeps kids focused" bullshit on those. Yes, they were annoying as hell but, I agree, bringing attention to them made it more annoying. Then you get into arguments with students about taking them away and everybody suffers. You have to know your kids. I like to be consistent. We have hour and a half classes so my rule is everything away while we are getting the lesson in and then when I am done with that then they can have those stupid things our under one condition, they have to be working. It is simple and the kids respect it. It gives them an opportunity to show some maturity while giving them no leverage if they cannot control themselves which makes it easier to take it or make them put it away.
100% agree with you here.
RE: Hopefully the rest of the world will follow suit, Â
should be taught how to use their phones in a way that aren't going to damage their reputations/job prospects etc, as well as the science and technology behind how phones are made and how apps work, coding, networking etc. given how many industries and jobs are developing around phones and apps, it would be putting kids at a disadvantage by not giving them some basics.
at the same time, they should not have free reign to be on their phones while their teachers are going through lessons.
I cannot speak for all schools but the basic school setting is from what the 1800s? It doesn't fit today's world. Telling kids to sit down for extended periods of time and listen is so antiquated. We spend more time disciplining kids or working on classroom management to fit these ridiculous standards that learning is a distant second. The whole school system needs to be revamped but how is that going to occur? Kids are way more hands on learners (for the most part as there is not a one size fits all way of learning) and do better when they are up and moving around. I also believe that math is very important but there needs to be a way to make it more relevant to today's world with technology. If someone can create a curriculum that covers multiple subject areas that is relevant to today's world while still learning the basics that can also be taught to classes of 30 would be a billionaire. You'd need some very forward thinkers at the administration level that would be willing to take a risk like that.
should be taught how to use their phones in a way that aren't going to damage their reputations/job prospects etc, as well as the science and technology behind how phones are made and how apps work, coding, networking etc. given how many industries and jobs are developing around phones and apps, it would be putting kids at a disadvantage by not giving them some basics.
at the same time, they should not have free reign to be on their phones while their teachers are going through lessons.
I cannot speak for all schools but the basic school setting is from what the 1800s? It doesn't fit today's world. Telling kids to sit down for extended periods of time and listen is so antiquated. We spend more time disciplining kids or working on classroom management to fit these ridiculous standards that learning is a distant second. The whole school system needs to be revamped but how is that going to occur? Kids are way more hands on learners (for the most part as there is not a one size fits all way of learning) and do better when they are up and moving around. I also believe that math is very important but there needs to be a way to make it more relevant to today's world with technology. If someone can create a curriculum that covers multiple subject areas that is relevant to today's world while still learning the basics that can also be taught to classes of 30 would be a billionaire. You'd need some very forward thinkers at the administration level that would be willing to take a risk like that.
The way you could make math relevant below the high school level would be to combine it with economics, finance and investments. That would also add some real world education.
It's amazing how addicted we are to our phones. My most peaceful times are when I go for a 4-5 mile walk outdoors with no cell phone. It's good to disengage from time to time.
I need therapy. I spend way too much time checking the Internet and binge-watching late night when I should be sleeping. It's not healthy. I'm dragging ass every day. Caffeine isn't helping either.
When I was a student teacher there was a made up Â
math course just so kids can get a math credit and graduate. However, it was he most useful math course I have seen for anybody. It was all about balancing a checkbook, understanding interest, etc. It was very relevant.
on a regular basis: Dont. Especially if you already have a type A smart kid. It can turn them into a neuorotic self sabotaging mess at times. Leave your kid be, go to parents teacher conferences a cpl times a yr. Ive been thru it...
on a regular basis: Dont. Especially if you already have a type A smart kid. It can turn them into a neuorotic self sabotaging mess at times. Leave your kid be, go to parents teacher conferences a cpl times a yr. Ive been thru it...
this is bad advice, every kid is different. No blanket advice like this applies to all kids.
My kids thrive with the way we manage the portal. I suggest the opposite approach allows problems to seep in too late.
and parent teacher conferences (for us) are kind of a joke. You get 5 min tops with each teacher and need to book it in advance and race to the next teacher and meet with them. I think they're done because they're required.
And I'm fine with that, when we have a question or comment we'd like to make to any of their teachers we email them and we get a quick response (and this is the teacher's suggested method of interaction with them and it works for us).
For some kids, a phone can be a useful tool for both education and time management. For others, it's a constant distraction of social media nonsense and a vector for cyber bullying.
In NYC, they're banned during school hours. Kids are allowed to have them on their person, but they're not to be used during the day. The DOE has mobile tech - including tablets and laptops - for educational use where the appropriate measures have been taken to limit distractions and issues (content blocking, cameras disabled, etc..
I think this is a good move by France - so long as they're not tech limited in their classrooms otherwise.
on a regular basis: Dont. Especially if you already have a type A smart kid. It can turn them into a neuorotic self sabotaging mess at times. Leave your kid be, go to parents teacher conferences a cpl times a yr. Ive been thru it...
this is bad advice, every kid is different. No blanket advice like this applies to all kids.
My kids thrive with the way we manage the portal. I suggest the opposite approach allows problems to seep in too late.
and parent teacher conferences (for us) are kind of a joke. You get 5 min tops with each teacher and need to book it in advance and race to the next teacher and meet with them. I think they're done because they're required.
And I'm fine with that, when we have a question or comment we'd like to make to any of their teachers we email them and we get a quick response (and this is the teacher's suggested method of interaction with them and it works for us).
Yes each child is different. My advice is therefore "bad". Nevermind.
math course just so kids can get a math credit and graduate. However, it was he most useful math course I have seen for anybody. It was all about balancing a checkbook, understanding interest, etc. It was very relevant.
But if it was part of a 6th or 7th grade curriculum it wouldn't be a math course just so kids could get a math credit.
on a regular basis: Dont. Especially if you already have a type A smart kid. It can turn them into a neuorotic self sabotaging mess at times. Leave your kid be, go to parents teacher conferences a cpl times a yr. Ive been thru it...
this is bad advice, every kid is different. No blanket advice like this applies to all kids.
My kids thrive with the way we manage the portal. I suggest the opposite approach allows problems to seep in too late.
and parent teacher conferences (for us) are kind of a joke. You get 5 min tops with each teacher and need to book it in advance and race to the next teacher and meet with them. I think they're done because they're required.
And I'm fine with that, when we have a question or comment we'd like to make to any of their teachers we email them and we get a quick response (and this is the teacher's suggested method of interaction with them and it works for us).
Yes each child is different. My advice is therefore "bad". Nevermind.
Sorry, didn't mean to be a dick, just meant that your advice (just like mine) is not for everyone.
kids 15 and under should have a cell phone, but this is a decent fallback rule as they certainly shouldn't have them out at school.
I gave my kids cell phones at younger than 15, but with the specific orders that they're never to be used during the school day except in case of an emergency, and to limit use otherwise.
In our case, both my wife and I work and need to keep track on the kids across multiple activities and schools. The phones are necessary to maintain contact with them, and I've found them very useful for time management. Any time they have an appointment, a school project or major test due, etc., they'll send out a calendar invite and we'll be able to keep track of everyone more efficiently.
Like any tool - use it right, and it's constructive. Misused all kinds of bad things happen.
kids 15 and under shouldn't even own cell phones have kids that age?
My 11 year old has a phone and I didn't think twice about getting it for her. My older kids didn't get phones until they were 14 but they are 5 years old than my youngest and things are different now than 5 years ago.
She has strict usage guidelines that I control from an app, but I didn't have a problem when she wanted it. How is it different than getting a kid a video game or other recreational device or gadget?
My kid gave me his word he would not use the phone during school Â
Phones have no value to education whatsoever. [/quote]
This may be true in the classroom setting. But i have found the phone to be of considerable help in educating my children privately. This statement is really contradicted by my personal experience.
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kids 15 and under shouldn't even own cell phones have kids that age?
My 11 year old has a phone and I didn't think twice about getting it for her. My older kids didn't get phones until they were 14 but they are 5 years old than my youngest and things are different now than 5 years ago.
She has strict usage guidelines that I control from an app, but I didn't have a problem when she wanted it. How is it different than getting a kid a video game or other recreational device or gadget?
Yes, I have several in that same age group. Different value systems apparently, which is fine.
With regard to the parents who noted they have put controls on their kids phones. I wonder if your kids have found a way around your controls because I tend to think either they discover ways themselves or their techy inclined friends have taught them...if there are even sufficient controls to begin with given the number of apps and access points to things no 3 - 15 year old should have access to.
Nothing about parenting is easy so it is all a judgement call. Mine is to not give my kids phones - they certainly don't need them since many generations survived without and kids are (in my judgement) too young to handle what comes with having them anyway. To each their own.
My son is 10. No way in hell am I getting him a phone any time soon Â
has online education requirements. In our school in 2017 they give out chromebooks to the kids in grades 5 and below, but they have to keep them in the classroom, but they can work on the assignments from home if they have their own device that has google classroom.
So, you're kind of splitting hairs if you say sure my kid can use a chromebook on wifi but not a cell phone. You can restrict both device usages the same way.
it's a different age than when many of us grew up, but I'm not telling anyone how to parent their kids.
also starting this year every kid in the entire school system 6th grade (so 11/12 year olds) - 12th grade get Chrome books they can (and will) take home, and they will get homework they are required to do on them.
Like it or not, your children are likely going to be using internet-enabled devices (likely from your home and in the classroom)
Phones have no value to education whatsoever.
We do but the effectiveness is different in every school. France banning them from school grounds in theory sounds great but that doesn't seem realistic. If I have a kid in school then I want my kid to have a phone when he isn't in school if he needs me. That cannot happen if you are totally keeping them off school grounds and it isn't like there are pay phones around anymore for kids to use.
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I thiught we do the same in nyc. Lock phone away til the school is over
We do but the effectiveness is different in every school. France banning them from school grounds in theory sounds great but that doesn't seem realistic. If I have a kid in school then I want my kid to have a phone when he isn't in school if he needs me. That cannot happen if you are totally keeping them off school grounds and it isn't like there are pay phones around anymore for kids to use.
they can just implement those locking bags that they started using at comedy shows.
Phones have no value to education whatsoever.
Not true. I use them in some of my lessons. We don't have access to a ton of computers so there are some websites that I like to use to make learning more fun. Obviously, I don't have to use that method but with anything mixing it up is the key. If you do the same thing every day then it loses its luster. You also have to know your population. My honors kids liked it. My non-honors kids actually loved it. It got them to focus more and participate more. Anything that gets the kids to take more of an interest in their learning is something I will be in favor of.
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I thiught we do the same in nyc. Lock phone away til the school is over
We do but the effectiveness is different in every school. France banning them from school grounds in theory sounds great but that doesn't seem realistic. If I have a kid in school then I want my kid to have a phone when he isn't in school if he needs me. That cannot happen if you are totally keeping them off school grounds and it isn't like there are pay phones around anymore for kids to use.
They’re not banning them from school grounds, they are banning their use during the school day. Phones have to be kept in backpacks or will be confiscated until the end of the school day.
that being said, who in their right mind would give their 3 year old a phone? I didn't think parents gave their kids phones until they were old enough to walk home from school by themselves (usually around 9-10), and even that, with strict controls on the device.
"With some limited exceptions" from my opening post.
Hahaha
My kids used to have major restrictions on their phones (time of day and data) but now they complain that they have to do their homework assignments online. Yes, it could be on their laptop or iPad, but what's the difference?
I'm not trying to be difficult. All I am saying is that there is a difference between having phones locked away during school hours and prohibiting their use on school grounds.
NYC has the rule where all cell phones are allowed on the premises but they must be locked away during school hours. This is also up to the discretion of the teacher in the class.
The problem with that are the majority of kids lie about having a cell phone and you cannot physically search each kid every day to make sure they have it or don't have it. The worst with lying ... my honors kids. All year when I tried to do some fun activities with a group competition in class I needed one cell phone per group and they could see their progress on the board through the website. I could barely find enough cell phones to have one at each group (6). When the state test came and they had to hand their phones in prior to the test more than half the kids had cell phones. They were scared of getting in trouble for having it all year so they kept it a secret for months. Haha.
If I need to get in touch, I use her school email.
My kids used to have major restrictions on their phones (time of day and data) but now they complain that they have to do their homework assignments online. Yes, it could be on their laptop or iPad, but what's the difference?
I agree with that. It gets tough. I always ask the kids if they have unlimited data before doing anything with their phones. In my school and other schools I have been at we are basically forced to have our grades online and assignments online. I try to be very flexible with what is expected of them and convenient. We have a workbook and while it isn't the best way to do homework I am consistent with that so the students always know their HW is in one place. I will post the assignment online but I will also have a huge piece of chart paper with their HW written for the entire quarter so there is no excuse.
Now, in the past, we were told we cannot have homework that is exclusively online because not every student has access to the internet. Then this past year our AP used this one online program with her own son and forced us to give it to all students. They just make up things as they go along. It isn't fair to everybody especially since I work in a low socioeconomic area. And even if it isn't a low socioeconomic area it is difficult to just spring that up on students and parents out of nowhere.
Our teachers are all incredibly diligent about updating it quickly, even for my 5th grader, not just my kids in high school.
I know every night any new test results, quiz results, project results, homework results, etc.
My wife is like a pitbull with the kids. "why did you get a 0 on a homework assignment?" and they always have some answer, but without a doubt the result has been better awareness and grades for my kids because their grades don't slip without us knowing.
The kids hate it. LOL. My wife knows their test scores before they get home from school many times.
Score one for technology on that one. Not sure how teachers feel about it, but as a parent I love it.
Phones have no value to education whatsoever.
I disagree.
My kids used to have major restrictions on their phones (time of day and data) but now they complain that they have to do their homework assignments online. Yes, it could be on their laptop or iPad, but what's the difference?
I get my guys (college aged dudes overseas) to use them in class. Works like a charm for most, but it depends on your population of course.
It s abused, just like other technological advances made over the past decades, but to say it has no use is not a valid perspective.
If I need to get in touch, I use her school email.
Same with our schools. Very hard to get text messages through during the day.
When I was in school we knew our overall grade when the teacher submitted the grades so some grades were a shock to kids. Nowadays, their grades are constantly updated with no surprises. My population of students, for the most part, never check. It is so frustrating. The parents are for the most part great in terms of not getting on my case about their grades but every now and then you get some parents that complain that they didn't know their kid was missing homework. I also am not in charge of the technology in our school and give seminars to parents on how to use the site/app to get their kid's information. Like teaching, parenting, or whatever, the more you do for someone else the less they wind up doing. Not only are all of the assignments posted, I post their homework weeks in advance, I have meeting with individual students constantly to let them know where they stand, what they need to correct their grade, when I am available for extra help, contacting parents, etc. We bend over backwards and they do less. I feel it has had the opposite effect on the students that we want. We want them to learn to take ownership of their learning and actions, we want them to learn to become independent, we want them to think for themselves, we want to teach them good work habits, etc. All of this extra stuff is supposed to be ideal like the way you use it but a lot of times is has the opposite effect and we are actually making these kids more dependent on others.
To be honest, the rule in the office is well intentioned, but the age thing is kinda ridiculous. What if you teach classes to mixed grades? I wouldn't want to be complicit in kids breaking the law, but some of my students might be allowed phones while others are not.
Solving education problems at a national level seems to inevitably interfere with the teacher's ability to teach the course in the ideal manner.
To be honest, the rule in the office is well intentioned, but the age thing is kinda ridiculous. What if you teach classes to mixed grades? I wouldn't want to be complicit in kids breaking the law, but some of my students might be allowed phones while others are not.
Solving education problems at a national level seems to inevitably interfere with the teacher's ability to teach the course in the ideal manner.
While I agree with that, I think a big issues is not the learning that is going on in schools but rather the lawsuits that are involving cell phones for one reason or another whether it be bullying incidents being recorded and sent to other students or phones getting stolen. I am sure there are other reasons but these seem to be the 2 main things that occur to me. The school basically takes the responsibility off of themselves with their policy and puts it on others.
I don't think it's an issue that needs to be overcomplicated. Let the state or districts set overall guidelines/restrictions and give the teachers power to tailor to their class needs.
at the same time, they should not have free reign to be on their phones while their teachers are going through lessons.
100% agree with you here.
Phones have no value to education whatsoever.
Totally agree !!!
at the same time, they should not have free reign to be on their phones while their teachers are going through lessons.
I cannot speak for all schools but the basic school setting is from what the 1800s? It doesn't fit today's world. Telling kids to sit down for extended periods of time and listen is so antiquated. We spend more time disciplining kids or working on classroom management to fit these ridiculous standards that learning is a distant second. The whole school system needs to be revamped but how is that going to occur? Kids are way more hands on learners (for the most part as there is not a one size fits all way of learning) and do better when they are up and moving around. I also believe that math is very important but there needs to be a way to make it more relevant to today's world with technology. If someone can create a curriculum that covers multiple subject areas that is relevant to today's world while still learning the basics that can also be taught to classes of 30 would be a billionaire. You'd need some very forward thinkers at the administration level that would be willing to take a risk like that.
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should be taught how to use their phones in a way that aren't going to damage their reputations/job prospects etc, as well as the science and technology behind how phones are made and how apps work, coding, networking etc. given how many industries and jobs are developing around phones and apps, it would be putting kids at a disadvantage by not giving them some basics.
at the same time, they should not have free reign to be on their phones while their teachers are going through lessons.
I cannot speak for all schools but the basic school setting is from what the 1800s? It doesn't fit today's world. Telling kids to sit down for extended periods of time and listen is so antiquated. We spend more time disciplining kids or working on classroom management to fit these ridiculous standards that learning is a distant second. The whole school system needs to be revamped but how is that going to occur? Kids are way more hands on learners (for the most part as there is not a one size fits all way of learning) and do better when they are up and moving around. I also believe that math is very important but there needs to be a way to make it more relevant to today's world with technology. If someone can create a curriculum that covers multiple subject areas that is relevant to today's world while still learning the basics that can also be taught to classes of 30 would be a billionaire. You'd need some very forward thinkers at the administration level that would be willing to take a risk like that.
The way you could make math relevant below the high school level would be to combine it with economics, finance and investments. That would also add some real world education.
I need therapy. I spend way too much time checking the Internet and binge-watching late night when I should be sleeping. It's not healthy. I'm dragging ass every day. Caffeine isn't helping either.
this is bad advice, every kid is different. No blanket advice like this applies to all kids.
My kids thrive with the way we manage the portal. I suggest the opposite approach allows problems to seep in too late.
and parent teacher conferences (for us) are kind of a joke. You get 5 min tops with each teacher and need to book it in advance and race to the next teacher and meet with them. I think they're done because they're required.
And I'm fine with that, when we have a question or comment we'd like to make to any of their teachers we email them and we get a quick response (and this is the teacher's suggested method of interaction with them and it works for us).
In NYC, they're banned during school hours. Kids are allowed to have them on their person, but they're not to be used during the day. The DOE has mobile tech - including tablets and laptops - for educational use where the appropriate measures have been taken to limit distractions and issues (content blocking, cameras disabled, etc..
I think this is a good move by France - so long as they're not tech limited in their classrooms otherwise.
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on a regular basis: Dont. Especially if you already have a type A smart kid. It can turn them into a neuorotic self sabotaging mess at times. Leave your kid be, go to parents teacher conferences a cpl times a yr. Ive been thru it...
this is bad advice, every kid is different. No blanket advice like this applies to all kids.
My kids thrive with the way we manage the portal. I suggest the opposite approach allows problems to seep in too late.
and parent teacher conferences (for us) are kind of a joke. You get 5 min tops with each teacher and need to book it in advance and race to the next teacher and meet with them. I think they're done because they're required.
And I'm fine with that, when we have a question or comment we'd like to make to any of their teachers we email them and we get a quick response (and this is the teacher's suggested method of interaction with them and it works for us).
Yes each child is different. My advice is therefore "bad". Nevermind.
Most kids lack self control and need limits set - parents, schools, teams et.
But if it was part of a 6th or 7th grade curriculum it wouldn't be a math course just so kids could get a math credit.
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on a regular basis: Dont. Especially if you already have a type A smart kid. It can turn them into a neuorotic self sabotaging mess at times. Leave your kid be, go to parents teacher conferences a cpl times a yr. Ive been thru it...
this is bad advice, every kid is different. No blanket advice like this applies to all kids.
My kids thrive with the way we manage the portal. I suggest the opposite approach allows problems to seep in too late.
and parent teacher conferences (for us) are kind of a joke. You get 5 min tops with each teacher and need to book it in advance and race to the next teacher and meet with them. I think they're done because they're required.
And I'm fine with that, when we have a question or comment we'd like to make to any of their teachers we email them and we get a quick response (and this is the teacher's suggested method of interaction with them and it works for us).
Yes each child is different. My advice is therefore "bad". Nevermind.
Sorry, didn't mean to be a dick, just meant that your advice (just like mine) is not for everyone.
I gave my kids cell phones at younger than 15, but with the specific orders that they're never to be used during the school day except in case of an emergency, and to limit use otherwise.
In our case, both my wife and I work and need to keep track on the kids across multiple activities and schools. The phones are necessary to maintain contact with them, and I've found them very useful for time management. Any time they have an appointment, a school project or major test due, etc., they'll send out a calendar invite and we'll be able to keep track of everyone more efficiently.
Like any tool - use it right, and it's constructive. Misused all kinds of bad things happen.
My 11 year old has a phone and I didn't think twice about getting it for her. My older kids didn't get phones until they were 14 but they are 5 years old than my youngest and things are different now than 5 years ago.
She has strict usage guidelines that I control from an app, but I didn't have a problem when she wanted it. How is it different than getting a kid a video game or other recreational device or gadget?
Ha, ha, ha, hardy, har, ha ha...
Phones have no value to education whatsoever. [/quote]
This may be true in the classroom setting. But i have found the phone to be of considerable help in educating my children privately. This statement is really contradicted by my personal experience.
Ha, ha, ha, hardy, har, ha ha...
Sure they could try - but if the school catches it, it gets confiscated and held until a parent goes to pick it up.
And I've already explained that I won't be going to pick it up.
My 11 year old has a phone and I didn't think twice about getting it for her. My older kids didn't get phones until they were 14 but they are 5 years old than my youngest and things are different now than 5 years ago.
She has strict usage guidelines that I control from an app, but I didn't have a problem when she wanted it. How is it different than getting a kid a video game or other recreational device or gadget?
Yes, I have several in that same age group. Different value systems apparently, which is fine.
With regard to the parents who noted they have put controls on their kids phones. I wonder if your kids have found a way around your controls because I tend to think either they discover ways themselves or their techy inclined friends have taught them...if there are even sufficient controls to begin with given the number of apps and access points to things no 3 - 15 year old should have access to.
Nothing about parenting is easy so it is all a judgement call. Mine is to not give my kids phones - they certainly don't need them since many generations survived without and kids are (in my judgement) too young to handle what comes with having them anyway. To each their own.
So, you're kind of splitting hairs if you say sure my kid can use a chromebook on wifi but not a cell phone. You can restrict both device usages the same way.
it's a different age than when many of us grew up, but I'm not telling anyone how to parent their kids.
also starting this year every kid in the entire school system 6th grade (so 11/12 year olds) - 12th grade get Chrome books they can (and will) take home, and they will get homework they are required to do on them.
Like it or not, your children are likely going to be using internet-enabled devices (likely from your home and in the classroom)