They draft players who are ALREADY injured and thus won’t be injured in a game. They can go straight to injured reserve. So far 28% of the Giants’ current draft picks (RJ McIntosh and Sam Beal) have never even dressed for practice. Is this putrid luck, or putrid drafting?
Now I can understand a team that is one or two players away from being really good might be willing to take some risks in the hopes of getting that key guy who will lead them to a championship--especially if they have 9 or 10 draft picks to play with. But the Giants are not that team.
Our roster is very thin. What we need is a bunch of serviceable (and healthy) reserves. They don’t have to be stars. They just have to play decently.
The Giants only had 6 picks in the 2018 draft and those picks were precious. Nevertheless, we drafted a rookie QB who WON’T play in 2018 and RJ McIntosh who apparently CAN’T play any time soon. So at best, we only got 4 players who are likely to see the field in 2018 from this year’s draft.
In the 2018 supplemental draft we spent a 2019 third round pick on a great CB prospect, who went directly from “great CB prospect” to shoulder surgery and IR without the benefit of ever putting on a Giants uniform. More bad luck, you say?
I really thought that the Giants had learned their lesson about drafting healthy players.
In 1995, the Giants drafted Michigan RB Tyrone Wheatley. This guy was big and really fast. He had muscles in places most people don’t even have places. Anyway, I was at the opening day of training camp and here comes Tyrone Wheatley LIMPING onto the field. It’s the first damn day of camp and our first round pick is limping. In fairness to the Giants, he might have injured himself after the draft, but there is no excuse for 1996.
In 1996 with the fifth pick in the draft, the Giants draft Oklahoma DE Cedric Jones. Jones is perfectly healthy except he is BLIND in his left eye.
I think at Oklahoma Jones played left end, where he could watch the snap with his good eye, but the Giants put him at right end where he couldn’t see shit. He was the last man on either side of the ball to move when the ball was snapped.
Aren’t we supposed to learn from our mistakes?
Rant over.
They also hauled Barkley, Hernandez, BJ Hill and Zo Carter, four potential starters day one.
If a draft class yields four starters day one, you did ok.
Now, I do agree depth is extremely important and you cannot waste picks. But let's not make like they didn't do a good job this past year.
How do you know the owners are "heavily involved" with the player selections? Do you have actual information to back that up or are you simply assuming this?
Cedric Jones I will give you that. We had the 5th pick in a 4 pick draft and we chose poorly.
Sam Beal was a pick we got a year early so he cant really be counted until next year.
RJ McIntosh was a risk. Maybe the medical staff had different info at the time or thought they could work through it. Hes not done for the season yet.
Lauletta was a project QB. We have an old QB and are going to need to replace him soon. The coaches and GM had very little on Webb and maybe he is not the guy of the future. He certainly didnt look the part last week.
We drafted 3 definite starters from this draft and a 4th that could be starting a few weeks in. This team had 3 wins last season so the holes to fill are way more than 6 draft picks can handle. the team brought in a lot of players that the new coaches were familiar with, so that is probably where the depth is coming from. I mean,you are ranting about drafts from 20 years ago as well. We did win 2 Superbowls since Tyronne Wheatley so we must have had some decent drafts. This team has been generally healthy so far. No need to rant about health now. Teams lose draft picks every year.
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Why would you think anything has changed with the Giants. The same two owners are heavily involved with picking the players, deciding the roster and running the draft, they hired a new GM who is actually a long time old employee steeped in the Mara way and org chart who doesn't believe in analytics or positional value, they had the same scouts. Why would you expect any different results?
How do you know the owners are "heavily involved" with the player selections? Do you have actual information to back that up or are you simply assuming this?
He doesn't - he makes it up as he goes along.
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In comment 14039026 arniefez said:
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Why would you think anything has changed with the Giants. The same two owners are heavily involved with picking the players, deciding the roster and running the draft, they hired a new GM who is actually a long time old employee steeped in the Mara way and org chart who doesn't believe in analytics or positional value, they had the same scouts. Why would you expect any different results?
How do you know the owners are "heavily involved" with the player selections? Do you have actual information to back that up or are you simply assuming this?
He doesn't - he makes it up as he goes along.
Yep.
It amazes me me how many adults are superstitious, especially regarding sports.
But there are also too many that state their perceptions as fact. It is very annoying.
Marty clever post. Unfortunately, their was more than a little truth behind the humorous tone.
Sam Beal was a pick we got a year early so he cant really be counted until next year.
I was thinking the same thing.
Aside from that one 1000 yard season with the Raiders, he wasn't any better after leaving the Giants than he was as a Giant.
arniefez : 2:29 pm : link : reply
Why would you think anything has changed with the Giants. The same two owners are heavily involved with picking the players, deciding the roster and running the draft, they hired a new GM who is actually a long time old employee steeped in the Mara way and org chart who doesn't believe in analytics or positional value, they had the same scouts. Why would you expect any different results?
Ironically, he's one of the fuckwads who gave Mara shit for going to a race track during the draft but claims the owners are heavily involved in it. And the long-time employee they just hired back actually came from an organization where the owner kept him from making moves.
How can one be a long-time Giants fan and think the Mara's meddle in the general business of the team? Yet this guy posts a variation of the drivel above time and time again.
AND he is actually practicing for Oakland.
It's a form letter, basically
[POSTER] I mean this with no sarcasm
arniefez : 2:29 pm : link : reply
Why would you think anything has changed with the [NEW YORK SPORTS TEAM]. The same two owners are heavily involved with picking the players, deciding the roster and running the draft, they hired a new GM who is actually a long time old employee steeped in the [NEW YORK SPORTS TEAM OWNER] way and org chart who doesn't believe in analytics or positional value, they had the same scouts. Why would you expect any different results?
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Randal uses the same fucking narrative for each team he roots for:
It's a form letter, basically
[POSTER] I mean this with no sarcasm
arniefez : 2:29 pm : link : reply
Why would you think anything has changed with the [NEW YORK SPORTS TEAM]. The same two owners are heavily involved with picking the players, deciding the roster and running the draft, they hired a new GM who is actually a long time old employee steeped in the [NEW YORK SPORTS TEAM OWNER] way and org chart who doesn't believe in analytics or positional value, they had the same scouts. Why would you expect any different results?
Yeah, but it has a different impact with the Dolans.
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Randal uses the same fucking narrative for each team he roots for:
It's a form letter, basically
[POSTER] I mean this with no sarcasm
arniefez : 2:29 pm : link : reply
Why would you think anything has changed with the [NEW YORK SPORTS TEAM]. The same two owners are heavily involved with picking the players, deciding the roster and running the draft, they hired a new GM who is actually a long time old employee steeped in the [NEW YORK SPORTS TEAM OWNER] way and org chart who doesn't believe in analytics or positional value, they had the same scouts. Why would you expect any different results?
It's funny cause it's trueeeee.
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As for the NYG decision process, there was a longtime intermittent poster who dropped in for the draft discussion who seemed reasonably credible. He was very insistent that there was no possibility that the Giants were drafting a QB.
His comment was that there were only three people in the draft room: the Maras and Gettleman.
Post-draft, Chris Mara publicly commented that NYG decision makers were not unanimous in their view of the top QB prospect: "Everybody had a different opinion."
If there are three people in the draft room, and two of them are Chris M and Gettleman, does anyone think John M is getting the coffee and doughnuts?
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