I re-watch a lot of the first pre-season game and was not impressed at all with Adams or any of the TE hopefuls that played Thursday night.
I do not want to be one of those BBI posters that is overly critical after watching one pre-season game but I will certainly be looking at their performance closer against Detroit & NYJ.
I feel like adding to this position is critical, given that Smith is no where near guaranteed to make this roster. I almost feel its more important to see Smith make a few good blocks and catches over the next few PS games than it is to see Adams or the other TE perform adequately...this simply based on my unprofessional opinion that Smith has more upside than any of the TE behind the starters.
TE would be a position I would look at closely following cuts right behind FS & CB. At this point I would vote for EE, RE, SS, and Waiver pick up.
I understand his value to this team is more for special teams & blocking. I will look to see if he improves games 2 & 3...possibly just needed to knock off some rust.
I agree with this. Adams as a 3 is a great. He’s a proven blocker and I feel like he didn’t have a poor showing. In fact he held his blocks rather well on a few runs. Engram and Ellison is as solid a 1 2 as you will see in the nfl
Adams isn't impressive, but also Ellison has a tremendous amount to prove. He's never produced starter type numbers. Even with Shurmur in Minnesota his production doesn't jump off the sheet.
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Game 1. Hands were also poor.
I understand his value to this team is more for special teams & blocking. I will look to see if he improves games 2 & 3...possibly just needed to knock off some rust.
He graded out as one of their best blockers in game one and had notable blocks on the TD run and a couple other runs to his side.
While you can be concerned about depth, it might be best to understand what you watched first.
Adams isn't impressive, but also Ellison has a tremendous amount to prove. He's never produced starter type numbers. Even with Shurmur in Minnesota his production doesn't jump off the sheet.
Well if we're going by 1 preseason game, which we probably shouldn't, Ellison's seal block on the LB sprang Barkley for his big gain. And just what do you use for "starter type numbers" for blocking?
As a group, I'd rank these TEs in the Top 5 of the NFL.
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The 3rd tight end is pretty critical if the indications are true and the base offense is a a 2 TE set.
Adams isn't impressive, but also Ellison has a tremendous amount to prove. He's never produced starter type numbers. Even with Shurmur in Minnesota his production doesn't jump off the sheet.
Well if we're going by 1 preseason game, which we probably shouldn't, Ellison's seal block on the LB sprang Barkley for his big gain. And just what do you use for "starter type numbers" for blocking?
As a group, I'd rank these TEs in the Top 5 of the NFL.
*If* the Giants play a substantial percentage of snaps out of a 12 personnel package Ellison is going to have to be much more than a blocking TE. He's taking WR out off the field. He will be in a position to get plenty of targets, which just isn't something he's gotten in his career.
Again, big if, because who knows what Shurmur and Shula intend to do on the personnel front, but if he's on the field a lot he's going to get more than 32 targets and if he's taking burn from a WR I hope he's much more productive than he's ever been in his career.
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The 3rd tight end is pretty critical if the indications are true and the base offense is a a 2 TE set.
Adams isn't impressive, but also Ellison has a tremendous amount to prove. He's never produced starter type numbers. Even with Shurmur in Minnesota his production doesn't jump off the sheet.
Well if we're going by 1 preseason game, which we probably shouldn't, Ellison's seal block on the LB sprang Barkley for his big gain. And just what do you use for "starter type numbers" for blocking?
As a group, I'd rank these TEs in the Top 5 of the NFL.
*If* the Giants play a substantial percentage of snaps out of a 12 personnel package Ellison is going to have to be much more than a blocking TE. He's taking WR out off the field. He will be in a position to get plenty of targets, which just isn't something he's gotten in his career.
Again, big if, because who knows what Shurmur and Shula intend to do on the personnel front, but if he's on the field a lot he's going to get more than 32 targets and if he's taking burn from a WR I hope he's much more productive than he's ever been in his career.
If there are no injuries, knock on wood, the targets on the field will be Beckham, Engram, Shepherd, Barkley and Ellison. More targets than 32? Possibly. A LOT more targets? No way. But may I suggest opening holes for Barkley's runs may be more important than Eli's 5th receiving option.
If Ellison ends up with 200-300 well timed yards (along with excellent blocking) I think that would justify his price tag
If Ellison ends up with 200-300 well timed yards (along with excellent blocking) I think that would justify his price tag
Again big *if*. If the base is 12 personnel I would hope there would be an effective mix of run and pass plays.
Ellison is going to get snaps at the expensive of a WR in this case, and I would expect him to outperform his last year 24/235/2.
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will be running plays
If Ellison ends up with 200-300 well timed yards (along with excellent blocking) I think that would justify his price tag
Again big *if*. If the base is 12 personnel I would hope there would be an effective mix of run and pass plays.
Ellison is going to get snaps at the expensive of a WR in this case, and I would expect him to outperform his last year 24/235/2.
And who is that 3rd WR? And will his performance justify the "expense" of diminished blocking?
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will be running plays
If Ellison ends up with 200-300 well timed yards (along with excellent blocking) I think that would justify his price tag
Again big *if*. If the base is 12 personnel I would hope there would be an effective mix of run and pass plays.
Ellison is going to get snaps at the expensive of a WR in this case, and I would expect him to outperform his last year 24/235/2.
I think you may be overestimating the use of 12 personnel
I doubt it will be higher than 25% of the O formations
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will be running plays
If Ellison ends up with 200-300 well timed yards (along with excellent blocking) I think that would justify his price tag
Again big *if*. If the base is 12 personnel I would hope there would be an effective mix of run and pass plays.
Ellison is going to get snaps at the expensive of a WR in this case, and I would expect him to outperform his last year 24/235/2.
I think you may be overestimating the use of 12 personnel
I doubt it will be higher than 25% of the O formations
That could be entirely true. There was a point last year where the Viking's offense progressed to use a lot of 2 TE sets. I don't know enough about their season to know if that was out of circumstance or design.
And again not that it's any indication but Shurmur did announce Ellison as a starter.
Last year as we all know the Giants were in an astonishingly frustrating snaps in 11 personnel and Ellison was getting basically no touches until Macadoo was fired.
What's a good sign is that when Sullivan took over and Engram was banged up Ellison had his 2 most productive games I think of his career.
little more he's got great size are his hands suspect ? Remains to be seen . I don't think his blocking is as bad as some make it out to be . I like him as a player .