that. It was interesting. I have a buddy who is a pretty successful scout that believes Webb could be really good. It’s very obvious the kid was nervous and didn’t look great, hopefully he can improve and look better this week.
He sails an uncatchable pass to a guy 5 yards away under absolutely zero pressure and no defender within a 5 yard radius of the receiver.
If he can’t hit that then what are we talking about him for?
What does that mean? Are you really drawing conclusions on a throw, or two or a game or two? are you old enough to have watched Simms in his prime overthrow wide open receivers by at least a half a mile? I’m not comparing a great Giant to Webb, but even the best of them, with all the time in the world, miss their targets by a wide margin
As for throwing over heads, our current HoF QB has quite the track record of doing that, also. And as '56 said so did Simms, when he wasn't getting it batted back in his face.
How about waiting until September before pronouncing the patient terminal...
I remember Phil Simms well and Davis Webb is no Phil Simms.
Cute, but I wasn’t comparing the two as I STATED. Just that proclamations about a player’s talent level based on a few throws or games is beyond premature. Under the aegis of Shurmur, he may turn out to be a solid player for us. Or, he may wind up being a sack of shit. No way of knowing at this point.
Giants' fans are rooting against Webb. That would be like being on a boat and rooting against the captain. If he fails, you aren't going to like it.
Stating that Webb isn't very good is not rooting against him. It's stating an opinion that they don't think he's very good. Of course, they would hope that he plays well, otherwise they would be rooting for the other team.
I remember Phil Simms well and Davis Webb is no Phil Simms.
Cute, but I wasn’t comparing the two as I STATED. Just that proclamations about a player’s talent level based on a few throws or games is beyond premature. Under the aegis of Shurmur, he may turn out to be a solid player for us. Or, he may wind up being a sack of shit. No way of knowing at this point.
You know what helps then? Avoiding comparing Davis Webb to Phil Simms.
And I never said a word about the talent level of Davis Webb in my post
When I have to read incessantly about Davis Webb all offseason then he better not come out airmailing 5 yard passes all over the field. 9 of 22. It wasnt one pass.
Webb is still displaying the same lack of development as in the past.
Granted, it's a new system and he doesn't get a lot of burn with starters, but it has to be noted he's still repeating the same mistakes reading defenses, sailing passes, and not able to complete anything vertical over ten yards.
Never remember fans
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rooting against a player like BBI does for Webb.
Like most things, the Webb discussion of his poor play is mostly a rebuttal to idiots like NYSports1 who keeps posting positive Webb information and negative Eli information frequently.
It is like there is a small cult of posters who have a singular purpose here.
Nobody wants Webb to fail. Which is probably why there was such disappointment in the first preseason game where he looked as bad as any QB has in recent memory.
I want to believe in the guy but the next play he makes in a game Â
He sails an uncatchable pass to a guy 5 yards away under absolutely zero pressure and no defender within a 5 yard radius of the receiver.
If he can’t hit that then what are we talking about him for?
I don’t know what to make of Webb, but drawing conclusions on 1 play is the epitome of pointless. I’ve seen Eli do the same thing, haven’t you?
He’s going to play in all 4 preseason games, the least you can do is wait to see how that goes.
Then how about all the pro Davis Webb actually just be quiet for 4 games. Now everyone is all like “he hasnt played in a year” as an excuse for his performance. Well then why did I have to read about him for the last 10 months?
This thread is another attempt to whitewash what was one of the worst preseason performances from any QB in the entire NFL last week. It’s wasnt bad. It was putrid. It wasnt worthy of being on NFL roster bad.
People whined about him not getting an NFL start last year. Well last week you saw why he didnt start. That was with an entire 8 months of prep after minicamps and training camp with a new staff. That was against NFL backups. Against a team not even bringing their pressure D and blitzes. Against a team that was winless last year.
maybe he turns it around, maybe he doesnt but can the pro Webb people just calm down before he shows one single thing?
BB 56 mentioned Simms. You mentioned Eli. Both emblamatic of the problem. Compare him to other players who have never played an NFL snap. Davis Webb hasnt done anything to be mentioned in their breath. He has played in 4 preseason games in his life and the performances were either not good or not noteworthy.
And here’s another newsflash. Telling people he was “amped up” for his 4th preseason game doesnt help. That’s not a quality one wants in an NFL QB. Especially since he couldnt calm down in his 2+ quarters of play.
For those complaining that he played with the backups and not the starters.
When did Davis Webb win the starting job on the Giants? Answer: he hasnt
In fact- Webb hasnt even won the BACKUP job on this team.
So he must in fact play with the backups because he is a backup and he must earn time with the starters by - i know this is shocking - playing well when he is out there with other backups.
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to beat their chest a bit about how awesome Darnold is and how much we screwed up not drafting him until he tears his shoulder and flames out completly becuase thats what happens to the jets. Then beliveing in Webb wont look so bad.
All kidding aside he does have the tools and made most of the right reads. Experience will help the rest, just need Eli to stay upright for the next 2 years
don’t click on Webb threads I guess. He was taken as a 2 year project, we are on year 2 and I’d question the coaching he got his first year. He hasn’t taken a meaning full since college until last week - rust, nerves, pressure, etc are all factors. These guys aren’t machines and shit happens.
If he doesn’t show improvement 3 weeks from now than he will likely be the 3rd stringer - and then it will be on to Lauletta. No point getting worked up about it.
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He sails an uncatchable pass to a guy 5 yards away under absolutely zero pressure and no defender within a 5 yard radius of the receiver.
If he can’t hit that then what are we talking about him for?
I don’t know what to make of Webb, but drawing conclusions on 1 play is the epitome of pointless. I’ve seen Eli do the same thing, haven’t you?
He’s going to play in all 4 preseason games, the least you can do is wait to see how that goes.
Then how about all the pro Davis Webb actually just be quiet for 4 games. Now everyone is all like “he hasnt played in a year” as an excuse for his performance. Well then why did I have to read about him for the last 10 months?
This thread is another attempt to whitewash what was one of the worst preseason performances from any QB in the entire NFL last week. It’s wasnt bad. It was putrid. It wasnt worthy of being on NFL roster bad.
People whined about him not getting an NFL start last year. Well last week you saw why he didnt start. That was with an entire 8 months of prep after minicamps and training camp with a new staff. That was against NFL backups. Against a team not even bringing their pressure D and blitzes. Against a team that was winless last year.
maybe he turns it around, maybe he doesnt but can the pro Webb people just calm down before he shows one single thing?
BB 56 mentioned Simms. You mentioned Eli. Both emblamatic of the problem. Compare him to other players who have never played an NFL snap. Davis Webb hasnt done anything to be mentioned in their breath. He has played in 4 preseason games in his life and the performances were either not good or not noteworthy.
And here’s another newsflash. Telling people he was “amped up” for his 4th preseason game doesnt help. That’s not a quality one wants in an NFL QB. Especially since he couldnt calm down in his 2+ quarters of play.
It's pretty much a misconstruing of their statements to fit your argument. Neither compared Webb to Simms or anybody else. They merely said that those players also airmailed throws. That's not making a comparison in any way shape or form. Heck, Webb and Simms both inhale before they exhale...*Stop* comparing them!!!!...
In fact, I would ask you to provide a list of QB's of any era or caliber who *never* in their life airmailed a throw. And *still*, that would not be comparing Webb to anyone on or off the list.
...you'll see a struggling QB. Bad decisions, bad throws, etc........
Webb needs to bounce back in the next game, but the Giants are hardly writing him off. They get to see him every day in practice, and while practice isn't a game, there's talent there.
It's a journey not a sprint for a QB.
I think the most pressing need for Webb is simply to S-L-O-W down.........he was way to hyped IMO.
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He couldn't get a handle on his emotions after being on the field for an entire half of a football game? This is supposed to make anyone feel better?
No, but there’s many reasons why he didn’t look right and we’ve offered a few possibilities. Of course he can also just not be very good, but I don’t see the point is going that far based on his first ever NFL snaps.
I never really bothered to look for reasons why X happens in sports. You never get your answer and but if you did the answer is usually multifaceted. In this case, there’s a lot going on and I’m willing to wait and see what happens.
Finding quality starting caliber QBs is not easy. The best prospects go very high in the draft and even they are far from locks. Yes, you can find guys in the 3rd round or below, history has shown that. But it has also shown that it's very much a crap shot --you need a lot of luck as there are far more misses than hits. That and the fact that Jerry Reese did not exactly demonstrate having an eye for quarterbacks should give some suitable context for expectations.
For many, Webb ties into the draft debate of QB vs. best player. Many in the anti-QB camp voiced strong positions about not having the need to draft QB early. In these debates, Webb drew his share of vocal supporters such as Anita Marks, Landon Collins and a few of the beat writers, with several pointing to him as a reason, if not the reason, the team should go in a different direction with the #2 pick. That's the expectations that were set for Webb coming into camp.
In the early days of camp, there was a lot of praise for Webb. We kept hearing about his arm and there were impressive throws. Then as things progressed, the INTs began showing up in reports. In the preseason game, the off target and high throws were glaring. The ensuing practice have done nothing to quell the concerns, if anything, they continue to validate them.
None of this means that Webb should be given up on. But one would hope it is a bit of a reality check highlighting the precarious and unsettled state of the NYG QB position beyond this season.
Here is the real problem for the Pro-Webb people Â
There is no real reason to be a pro-Webb person at this point as he has done nothing and shown nothing yet.
So why do they exist?
They really supported the status quo and making another run with it ie. Give Eli a Saquon Barkley or a ton of picks in a trade down.
Or in another word- they didnt want to draft a QB.
So for them to justify passing on the QBs they had to boost up Webb - if we have a QB already we dont need one.
Or the QBs arent that good so therefore we shouldnt draft one. (Webb is as old or almost as good)
Those were the 2 positions most commonly taken by the Webb people.
Those two platforms came crashing into reality last week.
Acknowledging that Webb isn’t likely to be the guy and is just like any other project 3rd round QB that is a lottery ticket makes one face the argument that the draft a QB people made- Eli is 37 and we need a replacement eventually and we may be about to enter QB hell.
And very clearly Baker Mayfield (who yes he went #1 but potentially could have been trade up for), Sam Darnold and Josh Rosen all looked the part of future franchise QB. Webb was on the same field as Baker and couldnt hold a candle to him. darnold doing it for the Jets stole all the backpage headlines.
These 2 positions came crashing into reality and the proWebb people are panicking realizing the Giants have a very uncertain future ahead at QB with an again Eli and no obvious way to solve it right now.
He couldn't get a handle on his emotions after being on the field for an entire half of a football game? This is supposed to make anyone feel better?
No, but there’s many reasons why he didn’t look right and we’ve offered a few possibilities. Of course he can also just not be very good, but I don’t see the point is going that far based on his first ever NFL snaps.
I never really bothered to look for reasons why X happens in sports. You never get your answer and but if you did the answer is usually multifaceted. In this case, there’s a lot going on and I’m willing to wait and see what happens.
It wasnt his first ever NFL snaps. he played in 3 preseason games last year.
Webb is still displaying the same lack of development as in the past.
Granted, it's a new system and he doesn't get a lot of burn with starters, but it has to be noted he's still repeating the same mistakes reading defenses, sailing passes, and not able to complete anything vertical over ten yards.
Hit the nail on the head with this post, that’s what’s concerning about Webb.
He couldn't get a handle on his emotions after being on the field for an entire half of a football game? This is supposed to make anyone feel better?
I know he's a pro, but anyone who has played sports has probably had a moment where you go thru practice and everything is great, then you get in the game and you just lose your focus, and things start to get away from you.
It happens, even to pros.
I expect Webb to learn from this, and apply it to his next outing.
He couldn't get a handle on his emotions after being on the field for an entire half of a football game? This is supposed to make anyone feel better?
No, but there’s many reasons why he didn’t look right and we’ve offered a few possibilities. Of course he can also just not be very good, but I don’t see the point is going that far based on his first ever NFL snaps.
I never really bothered to look for reasons why X happens in sports. You never get your answer and but if you did the answer is usually multifaceted. In this case, there’s a lot going on and I’m willing to wait and see what happens.
It wasnt his first ever NFL snaps. he played in 3 preseason games last year.
True...but he knows some of the hype and he wanted to obviously really impress. It didn't work out that way.
I have no idea if the kid is a prospect or suspect, but I'd rather judge him over a span of games rather than a few quarters.
news at 11. Why do you find it so hard to grasp that fans want him to succeed and look at what he can do well as selling points? He’s got a good arm, studies the game like crazy, and is trying to learn he NFL game. Odd are it doesn’t pan out but that’s why you get reps, that’s why you look at tape from your shitty performance, that’s why you keep working.
If you are only going to root for good players that’s fine, but stop getting upset at people who are looking forward to see what Webb can do.
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He sails an uncatchable pass to a guy 5 yards away under absolutely zero pressure and no defender within a 5 yard radius of the receiver.
If he can’t hit that then what are we talking about him for?
I don’t know what to make of Webb, but drawing conclusions on 1 play is the epitome of pointless. I’ve seen Eli do the same thing, haven’t you?
He’s going to play in all 4 preseason games, the least you can do is wait to see how that goes.
Then how about all the pro Davis Webb actually just be quiet for 4 games. Now everyone is all like “he hasnt played in a year” as an excuse for his performance. Well then why did I have to read about him for the last 10 months?
This thread is another attempt to whitewash what was one of the worst preseason performances from any QB in the entire NFL last week. It’s wasnt bad. It was putrid. It wasnt worthy of being on NFL roster bad.
People whined about him not getting an NFL start last year. Well last week you saw why he didnt start. That was with an entire 8 months of prep after minicamps and training camp with a new staff. That was against NFL backups. Against a team not even bringing their pressure D and blitzes. Against a team that was winless last year.
maybe he turns it around, maybe he doesnt but can the pro Webb people just calm down before he shows one single thing?
BB 56 mentioned Simms. You mentioned Eli. Both emblamatic of the problem. Compare him to other players who have never played an NFL snap. Davis Webb hasnt done anything to be mentioned in their breath. He has played in 4 preseason games in his life and the performances were either not good or not noteworthy.
And here’s another newsflash. Telling people he was “amped up” for his 4th preseason game doesnt help. That’s not a quality one wants in an NFL QB. Especially since he couldnt calm down in his 2+ quarters of play.
And how about all the anti-Webb folks be quiet for 4 games too? Its 1 qtr of the first pre-season game for crying out loud. You make it sound like he played against the Cowboys in mid season. Hearing the anti-Webb crowd (read also I wanted a QB be we didn't take one crowd) crowing after an overthrow in the 1st qtr of the 1st preseason game is more annoying than the blindly faithful Webb crowd.
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There is no real reason to be a pro-Webb person at this point as he has done nothing and shown nothing yet.
So why do they exist?
They really supported the status quo and making another run with it ie. Give Eli a Saquon Barkley or a ton of picks in a trade down.
Or in another word- they didnt want to draft a QB.
So for them to justify passing on the QBs they had to boost up Webb - if we have a QB already we dont need one.
Or the QBs arent that good so therefore we shouldnt draft one. (Webb is as old or almost as good)
Those were the 2 positions most commonly taken by the Webb people.
Those two platforms came crashing into reality last week.
Acknowledging that Webb isn’t likely to be the guy and is just like any other project 3rd round QB that is a lottery ticket makes one face the argument that the draft a QB people made- Eli is 37 and we need a replacement eventually and we may be about to enter QB hell.
And very clearly Baker Mayfield (who yes he went #1 but potentially could have been trade up for), Sam Darnold and Josh Rosen all looked the part of future franchise QB. Webb was on the same field as Baker and couldnt hold a candle to him. darnold doing it for the Jets stole all the backpage headlines.
These 2 positions came crashing into reality and the proWebb people are panicking realizing the Giants have a very uncertain future ahead at QB with an again Eli and no obvious way to solve it right now.
From my perspective, this is a dumb take.
Taking the best player by far in the draft is never a wrong choice. Webb is irrelevant to that. The Barkley pick absolutely and definitively stands on its own.
and let it stand. You keep trying to distort other peoples' pov to form your debate basis and it would be much more effective if you just tuck cogent points on the merits or flaws of Webb himself.
Is that this was preaseason and not the regular season.
Those guys you mention actually earned their starting jobs by playing well in practices and then preaseason games. And they were playing against real NFL defenses that were bringing heavy pressure.
Preseason is supposed to be easy. That’s why most QBs throw 70% completion in the preaseason.
Instead of Phil Simms and Eli Manning, how about trying someone more in Davis Webbs league - like Christian Hackenberg.
Here is preseason highlights of Hackenberg throwing it all over the field in a Preseason game. If you just watched this you would like Hackenberg, a 2nd rounder that was traded up for might be a stud. This is what preseason ball is supposed to look like.
Some of the agendas here are very tiresome. We get it, you don't like Davis Webb - you think we should have taken a QB instead of Barkley. You think Eli is finished.
The idea that there's this large contingent of "Pro-Webb" people on this board is a joke. There's barely anyone who is bullish on Webb or has unrealistic expectations. He looked like shit against Cleveland. Lauletta looked better and had zero experience. Let's see if Webb improves on Friday or if he struggles again.
He still hasn't played in an actual game that counts. He's played in parts of preseason games and nothing more. Total all of his game action so far and it probably amounts to somethig like... one entire football game
I don't particularly see him amounting to an NFL starter, but I'm willing to at least give it a little more time and see if he improves at all. He has good tools to work with, we all know he works hard (he won't let anyone forget that)
Can we just cool it with the fucking agendas for a minute and see how he does in the 3 remaining games we have this summer?
It's like some of you guys root against our own players just so you can say you were right. As if that's more important than the Giants succeeding.
little to do with statistics or throwing mechanics... rather it is a contrast in poise under pressure... rookie Mayfield had it in spades... he was under control even when being pressured and on the run … Webb, in contrast, had virtually no poise at all, appeared to be lost and out of control and as the Rover Sports reviewer said, seemed to be playing scared.
making conclusions about Webb after one preseason game is unfortunately typical of BBI. My guess is that if he had been as spectacular as he was bad, then most of this Board would be anointing him as Eli's successor.
I supported the Webb pick because like most I didn't think we'd be in position in 2018 to draft Darnold, Allen, or Rosen. Webb also has an excellent arm, and tremendous intangibles. But he came from a spread offense where 60-65% of his passes were within 10 yards of the LOS. From what I saw, most of his other throws were deep sideline "rail" passes. He made very few reads or throws at the second and third levels, where more accuracy is typically required. I therefore didn't know whether he could make those reads and throws at the NFL level. Others who saw more of him said he couldn't. The first preseason game tended to confirm their belief, but it was just one game.
As I've said, I don't think Webb or Lauletta is Eli's long term successor. But it's much too early to make any final conclusion.
Preseason is supposed to be easy. That’s why most QBs throw 70% completion in the preaseason
The hell they do. Preseason games have on average a 7% less rate of completions than regular season games.
Now, there are a variety of factors on why that is, but I have no fucking clue why you would choose to say "most QB's throw 70% completions in the preseason". Completely made up for no reason.
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There is no real reason to be a pro-Webb person at this point as he has done nothing and shown nothing yet.
So why do they exist?
They really supported the status quo and making another run with it ie. Give Eli a Saquon Barkley or a ton of picks in a trade down.
Or in another word- they didnt want to draft a QB.
So for them to justify passing on the QBs they had to boost up Webb - if we have a QB already we dont need one.
Or the QBs arent that good so therefore we shouldnt draft one. (Webb is as old or almost as good)
Those were the 2 positions most commonly taken by the Webb people.
Those two platforms came crashing into reality last week.
Acknowledging that Webb isn’t likely to be the guy and is just like any other project 3rd round QB that is a lottery ticket makes one face the argument that the draft a QB people made- Eli is 37 and we need a replacement eventually and we may be about to enter QB hell.
And very clearly Baker Mayfield (who yes he went #1 but potentially could have been trade up for), Sam Darnold and Josh Rosen all looked the part of future franchise QB. Webb was on the same field as Baker and couldnt hold a candle to him. darnold doing it for the Jets stole all the backpage headlines.
These 2 positions came crashing into reality and the proWebb people are panicking realizing the Giants have a very uncertain future ahead at QB with an again Eli and no obvious way to solve it right now.
I am NOT a Pro Webb person in the least. I am a Pro CHANCE person
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I thought he played pretty well last preseason, considering it was his first preseason.
And who has had more game experience in the past year, he or Lauletta?
I'm not writing the guy off. I just haven't seen anything in a game that's caught my eye and made me think we have something in Webb. Hopefully he shows something eventually.
Preseason is supposed to be easy. That’s why most QBs throw 70% completion in the preaseason
The hell they do. Preseason games have on average a 7% less rate of completions than regular season games.
Now, there are a variety of factors on why that is, but I have no fucking clue why you would choose to say "most QB's throw 70% completions in the preseason". Completely made up for no reason.
Ill play ball.
My evidence is my own. I looked at the entire NFL is week 1 and compiled it. It is linked. The vast majority were about 70%. Webb was at 41% and was 80th of 83 QBs
Now unless this was some unique occurrence in NFL history, this was a typical week in nfl preseason
Some of the agendas here are very tiresome. We get it, you don't like Davis Webb - you think we should have taken a QB instead of Barkley. You think Eli is finished.
The idea that there's this large contingent of "Pro-Webb" people on this board is a joke. There's barely anyone who is bullish on Webb or has unrealistic expectations. He looked like shit against Cleveland. Lauletta looked better and had zero experience. Let's see if Webb improves on Friday or if he struggles again.
Good post. Other than Webb fanboy sxdxca, I don't see any overtly "pro-Webb" posters. Just many of us, including me, intrigued by his talent. That said, his performance last week is concerning, mainly in that he played right into most of the criticisms levied against him - that he struggled with accuracy down the field.
To use the argument that he played in exhibitions last year is a silly argument. There was no pressure last year, as he was a 3rd round pick that no one was counting on to be anything more than a 3rd string clipboard carrier. The stakes are MUCH different this year, both with opportunity and risk.
He has a very real chance to win the #2 job, and even be the heir apparent to Eli, but there is also a new administration with no capital invested in him. So it isn't shocking that he might have been overly amped or nervous or a bit of both.
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He sails an uncatchable pass to a guy 5 yards away under absolutely zero pressure and no defender within a 5 yard radius of the receiver.
If he can’t hit that then what are we talking about him for?
He sails an uncatchable pass to a guy 5 yards away under absolutely zero pressure and no defender within a 5 yard radius of the receiver.
If he can’t hit that then what are we talking about him for?
What does that mean? Are you really drawing conclusions on a throw, or two or a game or two? are you old enough to have watched Simms in his prime overthrow wide open receivers by at least a half a mile? I’m not comparing a great Giant to Webb, but even the best of them, with all the time in the world, miss their targets by a wide margin
But when I watched him last week..........
As for throwing over heads, our current HoF QB has quite the track record of doing that, also. And as '56 said so did Simms, when he wasn't getting it batted back in his face.
How about waiting until September before pronouncing the patient terminal...
Cute, but I wasn’t comparing the two as I STATED. Just that proclamations about a player’s talent level based on a few throws or games is beyond premature. Under the aegis of Shurmur, he may turn out to be a solid player for us. Or, he may wind up being a sack of shit. No way of knowing at this point.
Stating that Webb isn't very good is not rooting against him. It's stating an opinion that they don't think he's very good. Of course, they would hope that he plays well, otherwise they would be rooting for the other team.
He sails an uncatchable pass to a guy 5 yards away under absolutely zero pressure and no defender within a 5 yard radius of the receiver.
If he can’t hit that then what are we talking about him for?
I don’t know what to make of Webb, but drawing conclusions on 1 play is the epitome of pointless. I’ve seen Eli do the same thing, haven’t you?
He’s going to play in all 4 preseason games, the least you can do is wait to see how that goes.
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I remember Phil Simms well and Davis Webb is no Phil Simms.
Cute, but I wasn’t comparing the two as I STATED. Just that proclamations about a player’s talent level based on a few throws or games is beyond premature. Under the aegis of Shurmur, he may turn out to be a solid player for us. Or, he may wind up being a sack of shit. No way of knowing at this point.
You know what helps then? Avoiding comparing Davis Webb to Phil Simms.
And I never said a word about the talent level of Davis Webb in my post
When I have to read incessantly about Davis Webb all offseason then he better not come out airmailing 5 yard passes all over the field. 9 of 22. It wasnt one pass.
Granted, it's a new system and he doesn't get a lot of burn with starters, but it has to be noted he's still repeating the same mistakes reading defenses, sailing passes, and not able to complete anything vertical over ten yards.
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rooting against a player like BBI does for Webb.
Like most things, the Webb discussion of his poor play is mostly a rebuttal to idiots like NYSports1 who keeps posting positive Webb information and negative Eli information frequently.
It is like there is a small cult of posters who have a singular purpose here.
Nobody wants Webb to fail. Which is probably why there was such disappointment in the first preseason game where he looked as bad as any QB has in recent memory.
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Just look at his first pass on 3rd and 11
He sails an uncatchable pass to a guy 5 yards away under absolutely zero pressure and no defender within a 5 yard radius of the receiver.
If he can’t hit that then what are we talking about him for?
I don’t know what to make of Webb, but drawing conclusions on 1 play is the epitome of pointless. I’ve seen Eli do the same thing, haven’t you?
He’s going to play in all 4 preseason games, the least you can do is wait to see how that goes.
Then how about all the pro Davis Webb actually just be quiet for 4 games. Now everyone is all like “he hasnt played in a year” as an excuse for his performance. Well then why did I have to read about him for the last 10 months?
This thread is another attempt to whitewash what was one of the worst preseason performances from any QB in the entire NFL last week. It’s wasnt bad. It was putrid. It wasnt worthy of being on NFL roster bad.
People whined about him not getting an NFL start last year. Well last week you saw why he didnt start. That was with an entire 8 months of prep after minicamps and training camp with a new staff. That was against NFL backups. Against a team not even bringing their pressure D and blitzes. Against a team that was winless last year.
maybe he turns it around, maybe he doesnt but can the pro Webb people just calm down before he shows one single thing?
BB 56 mentioned Simms. You mentioned Eli. Both emblamatic of the problem. Compare him to other players who have never played an NFL snap. Davis Webb hasnt done anything to be mentioned in their breath. He has played in 4 preseason games in his life and the performances were either not good or not noteworthy.
And here’s another newsflash. Telling people he was “amped up” for his 4th preseason game doesnt help. That’s not a quality one wants in an NFL QB. Especially since he couldnt calm down in his 2+ quarters of play.
When did Davis Webb win the starting job on the Giants? Answer: he hasnt
In fact- Webb hasnt even won the BACKUP job on this team.
So he must in fact play with the backups because he is a backup and he must earn time with the starters by - i know this is shocking - playing well when he is out there with other backups.
And who has had more game experience in the past year, he or Lauletta?
All kidding aside he does have the tools and made most of the right reads. Experience will help the rest, just need Eli to stay upright for the next 2 years
If he doesn’t show improvement 3 weeks from now than he will likely be the 3rd stringer - and then it will be on to Lauletta. No point getting worked up about it.
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Just look at his first pass on 3rd and 11
He sails an uncatchable pass to a guy 5 yards away under absolutely zero pressure and no defender within a 5 yard radius of the receiver.
If he can’t hit that then what are we talking about him for?
I don’t know what to make of Webb, but drawing conclusions on 1 play is the epitome of pointless. I’ve seen Eli do the same thing, haven’t you?
He’s going to play in all 4 preseason games, the least you can do is wait to see how that goes.
Then how about all the pro Davis Webb actually just be quiet for 4 games. Now everyone is all like “he hasnt played in a year” as an excuse for his performance. Well then why did I have to read about him for the last 10 months?
This thread is another attempt to whitewash what was one of the worst preseason performances from any QB in the entire NFL last week. It’s wasnt bad. It was putrid. It wasnt worthy of being on NFL roster bad.
People whined about him not getting an NFL start last year. Well last week you saw why he didnt start. That was with an entire 8 months of prep after minicamps and training camp with a new staff. That was against NFL backups. Against a team not even bringing their pressure D and blitzes. Against a team that was winless last year.
maybe he turns it around, maybe he doesnt but can the pro Webb people just calm down before he shows one single thing?
BB 56 mentioned Simms. You mentioned Eli. Both emblamatic of the problem. Compare him to other players who have never played an NFL snap. Davis Webb hasnt done anything to be mentioned in their breath. He has played in 4 preseason games in his life and the performances were either not good or not noteworthy.
And here’s another newsflash. Telling people he was “amped up” for his 4th preseason game doesnt help. That’s not a quality one wants in an NFL QB. Especially since he couldnt calm down in his 2+ quarters of play.
It's pretty much a misconstruing of their statements to fit your argument. Neither compared Webb to Simms or anybody else. They merely said that those players also airmailed throws. That's not making a comparison in any way shape or form. Heck, Webb and Simms both inhale before they exhale...*Stop* comparing them!!!!...
In fact, I would ask you to provide a list of QB's of any era or caliber who *never* in their life airmailed a throw. And *still*, that would not be comparing Webb to anyone on or off the list.
Webb needs to bounce back in the next game, but the Giants are hardly writing him off. They get to see him every day in practice, and while practice isn't a game, there's talent there.
It's a journey not a sprint for a QB.
I think the most pressing need for Webb is simply to S-L-O-W down.........he was way to hyped IMO.
No, but there’s many reasons why he didn’t look right and we’ve offered a few possibilities. Of course he can also just not be very good, but I don’t see the point is going that far based on his first ever NFL snaps.
I never really bothered to look for reasons why X happens in sports. You never get your answer and but if you did the answer is usually multifaceted. In this case, there’s a lot going on and I’m willing to wait and see what happens.
For many, Webb ties into the draft debate of QB vs. best player. Many in the anti-QB camp voiced strong positions about not having the need to draft QB early. In these debates, Webb drew his share of vocal supporters such as Anita Marks, Landon Collins and a few of the beat writers, with several pointing to him as a reason, if not the reason, the team should go in a different direction with the #2 pick. That's the expectations that were set for Webb coming into camp.
In the early days of camp, there was a lot of praise for Webb. We kept hearing about his arm and there were impressive throws. Then as things progressed, the INTs began showing up in reports. In the preseason game, the off target and high throws were glaring. The ensuing practice have done nothing to quell the concerns, if anything, they continue to validate them.
None of this means that Webb should be given up on. But one would hope it is a bit of a reality check highlighting the precarious and unsettled state of the NYG QB position beyond this season.
So why do they exist?
They really supported the status quo and making another run with it ie. Give Eli a Saquon Barkley or a ton of picks in a trade down.
Or in another word- they didnt want to draft a QB.
So for them to justify passing on the QBs they had to boost up Webb - if we have a QB already we dont need one.
Or the QBs arent that good so therefore we shouldnt draft one. (Webb is as old or almost as good)
Those were the 2 positions most commonly taken by the Webb people.
Those two platforms came crashing into reality last week.
Acknowledging that Webb isn’t likely to be the guy and is just like any other project 3rd round QB that is a lottery ticket makes one face the argument that the draft a QB people made- Eli is 37 and we need a replacement eventually and we may be about to enter QB hell.
And very clearly Baker Mayfield (who yes he went #1 but potentially could have been trade up for), Sam Darnold and Josh Rosen all looked the part of future franchise QB. Webb was on the same field as Baker and couldnt hold a candle to him. darnold doing it for the Jets stole all the backpage headlines.
These 2 positions came crashing into reality and the proWebb people are panicking realizing the Giants have a very uncertain future ahead at QB with an again Eli and no obvious way to solve it right now.
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He couldn't get a handle on his emotions after being on the field for an entire half of a football game? This is supposed to make anyone feel better?
No, but there’s many reasons why he didn’t look right and we’ve offered a few possibilities. Of course he can also just not be very good, but I don’t see the point is going that far based on his first ever NFL snaps.
I never really bothered to look for reasons why X happens in sports. You never get your answer and but if you did the answer is usually multifaceted. In this case, there’s a lot going on and I’m willing to wait and see what happens.
It wasnt his first ever NFL snaps. he played in 3 preseason games last year.
Granted, it's a new system and he doesn't get a lot of burn with starters, but it has to be noted he's still repeating the same mistakes reading defenses, sailing passes, and not able to complete anything vertical over ten yards.
Hit the nail on the head with this post, that’s what’s concerning about Webb.
I know he's a pro, but anyone who has played sports has probably had a moment where you go thru practice and everything is great, then you get in the game and you just lose your focus, and things start to get away from you.
It happens, even to pros.
I expect Webb to learn from this, and apply it to his next outing.
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He couldn't get a handle on his emotions after being on the field for an entire half of a football game? This is supposed to make anyone feel better?
No, but there’s many reasons why he didn’t look right and we’ve offered a few possibilities. Of course he can also just not be very good, but I don’t see the point is going that far based on his first ever NFL snaps.
I never really bothered to look for reasons why X happens in sports. You never get your answer and but if you did the answer is usually multifaceted. In this case, there’s a lot going on and I’m willing to wait and see what happens.
It wasnt his first ever NFL snaps. he played in 3 preseason games last year.
True...but he knows some of the hype and he wanted to obviously really impress. It didn't work out that way.
I have no idea if the kid is a prospect or suspect, but I'd rather judge him over a span of games rather than a few quarters.
If you are only going to root for good players that’s fine, but stop getting upset at people who are looking forward to see what Webb can do.
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Just look at his first pass on 3rd and 11
He sails an uncatchable pass to a guy 5 yards away under absolutely zero pressure and no defender within a 5 yard radius of the receiver.
If he can’t hit that then what are we talking about him for?
I don’t know what to make of Webb, but drawing conclusions on 1 play is the epitome of pointless. I’ve seen Eli do the same thing, haven’t you?
He’s going to play in all 4 preseason games, the least you can do is wait to see how that goes.
Then how about all the pro Davis Webb actually just be quiet for 4 games. Now everyone is all like “he hasnt played in a year” as an excuse for his performance. Well then why did I have to read about him for the last 10 months?
This thread is another attempt to whitewash what was one of the worst preseason performances from any QB in the entire NFL last week. It’s wasnt bad. It was putrid. It wasnt worthy of being on NFL roster bad.
People whined about him not getting an NFL start last year. Well last week you saw why he didnt start. That was with an entire 8 months of prep after minicamps and training camp with a new staff. That was against NFL backups. Against a team not even bringing their pressure D and blitzes. Against a team that was winless last year.
maybe he turns it around, maybe he doesnt but can the pro Webb people just calm down before he shows one single thing?
BB 56 mentioned Simms. You mentioned Eli. Both emblamatic of the problem. Compare him to other players who have never played an NFL snap. Davis Webb hasnt done anything to be mentioned in their breath. He has played in 4 preseason games in his life and the performances were either not good or not noteworthy.
And here’s another newsflash. Telling people he was “amped up” for his 4th preseason game doesnt help. That’s not a quality one wants in an NFL QB. Especially since he couldnt calm down in his 2+ quarters of play.
And how about all the anti-Webb folks be quiet for 4 games too? Its 1 qtr of the first pre-season game for crying out loud. You make it sound like he played against the Cowboys in mid season. Hearing the anti-Webb crowd (read also I wanted a QB be we didn't take one crowd) crowing after an overthrow in the 1st qtr of the 1st preseason game is more annoying than the blindly faithful Webb crowd.
So why do they exist?
They really supported the status quo and making another run with it ie. Give Eli a Saquon Barkley or a ton of picks in a trade down.
Or in another word- they didnt want to draft a QB.
So for them to justify passing on the QBs they had to boost up Webb - if we have a QB already we dont need one.
Or the QBs arent that good so therefore we shouldnt draft one. (Webb is as old or almost as good)
Those were the 2 positions most commonly taken by the Webb people.
Those two platforms came crashing into reality last week.
Acknowledging that Webb isn’t likely to be the guy and is just like any other project 3rd round QB that is a lottery ticket makes one face the argument that the draft a QB people made- Eli is 37 and we need a replacement eventually and we may be about to enter QB hell.
And very clearly Baker Mayfield (who yes he went #1 but potentially could have been trade up for), Sam Darnold and Josh Rosen all looked the part of future franchise QB. Webb was on the same field as Baker and couldnt hold a candle to him. darnold doing it for the Jets stole all the backpage headlines.
These 2 positions came crashing into reality and the proWebb people are panicking realizing the Giants have a very uncertain future ahead at QB with an again Eli and no obvious way to solve it right now.
Taking the best player by far in the draft is never a wrong choice. Webb is irrelevant to that. The Barkley pick absolutely and definitively stands on its own.
Those guys you mention actually earned their starting jobs by playing well in practices and then preaseason games. And they were playing against real NFL defenses that were bringing heavy pressure.
Preseason is supposed to be easy. That’s why most QBs throw 70% completion in the preaseason.
Instead of Phil Simms and Eli Manning, how about trying someone more in Davis Webbs league - like Christian Hackenberg.
Here is preseason highlights of Hackenberg throwing it all over the field in a Preseason game. If you just watched this you would like Hackenberg, a 2nd rounder that was traded up for might be a stud. This is what preseason ball is supposed to look like.
Hackenberg Slings It - ( New Window )
The idea that there's this large contingent of "Pro-Webb" people on this board is a joke. There's barely anyone who is bullish on Webb or has unrealistic expectations. He looked like shit against Cleveland. Lauletta looked better and had zero experience. Let's see if Webb improves on Friday or if he struggles again.
He still hasn't played in an actual game that counts. He's played in parts of preseason games and nothing more. Total all of his game action so far and it probably amounts to somethig like... one entire football game
I don't particularly see him amounting to an NFL starter, but I'm willing to at least give it a little more time and see if he improves at all. He has good tools to work with, we all know he works hard (he won't let anyone forget that)
Can we just cool it with the fucking agendas for a minute and see how he does in the 3 remaining games we have this summer?
It's like some of you guys root against our own players just so you can say you were right. As if that's more important than the Giants succeeding.
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Just look at his first pass on 3rd and 11
He sails an uncatchable pass to a guy 5 yards away under absolutely zero pressure and no defender within a 5 yard radius of the receiver.
If he can’t hit that then what are we talking about him for?
I don’t know what to make of Webb, but drawing conclusions on 1 play is the epitome of pointless. I’ve seen Eli do the same thing, haven’t you?
He’s going to play in all 4 preseason games, the least you can do is wait to see how that goes.
Great QB? Ehh not so much.
I supported the Webb pick because like most I didn't think we'd be in position in 2018 to draft Darnold, Allen, or Rosen. Webb also has an excellent arm, and tremendous intangibles. But he came from a spread offense where 60-65% of his passes were within 10 yards of the LOS. From what I saw, most of his other throws were deep sideline "rail" passes. He made very few reads or throws at the second and third levels, where more accuracy is typically required. I therefore didn't know whether he could make those reads and throws at the NFL level. Others who saw more of him said he couldn't. The first preseason game tended to confirm their belief, but it was just one game.
As I've said, I don't think Webb or Lauletta is Eli's long term successor. But it's much too early to make any final conclusion.
The hell they do. Preseason games have on average a 7% less rate of completions than regular season games.
Now, there are a variety of factors on why that is, but I have no fucking clue why you would choose to say "most QB's throw 70% completions in the preseason". Completely made up for no reason.
So why do they exist?
They really supported the status quo and making another run with it ie. Give Eli a Saquon Barkley or a ton of picks in a trade down.
Or in another word- they didnt want to draft a QB.
So for them to justify passing on the QBs they had to boost up Webb - if we have a QB already we dont need one.
Or the QBs arent that good so therefore we shouldnt draft one. (Webb is as old or almost as good)
Those were the 2 positions most commonly taken by the Webb people.
Those two platforms came crashing into reality last week.
Acknowledging that Webb isn’t likely to be the guy and is just like any other project 3rd round QB that is a lottery ticket makes one face the argument that the draft a QB people made- Eli is 37 and we need a replacement eventually and we may be about to enter QB hell.
And very clearly Baker Mayfield (who yes he went #1 but potentially could have been trade up for), Sam Darnold and Josh Rosen all looked the part of future franchise QB. Webb was on the same field as Baker and couldnt hold a candle to him. darnold doing it for the Jets stole all the backpage headlines.
These 2 positions came crashing into reality and the proWebb people are panicking realizing the Giants have a very uncertain future ahead at QB with an again Eli and no obvious way to solve it right now.
I am NOT a Pro Webb person in the least. I am a Pro CHANCE person
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I thought he played pretty well last preseason, considering it was his first preseason.
And who has had more game experience in the past year, he or Lauletta?
I'm not writing the guy off. I just haven't seen anything in a game that's caught my eye and made me think we have something in Webb. Hopefully he shows something eventually.
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Preseason is supposed to be easy. That’s why most QBs throw 70% completion in the preaseason
The hell they do. Preseason games have on average a 7% less rate of completions than regular season games.
Now, there are a variety of factors on why that is, but I have no fucking clue why you would choose to say "most QB's throw 70% completions in the preseason". Completely made up for no reason.
Ill play ball.
My evidence is my own. I looked at the entire NFL is week 1 and compiled it. It is linked. The vast majority were about 70%. Webb was at 41% and was 80th of 83 QBs
Now unless this was some unique occurrence in NFL history, this was a typical week in nfl preseason
What is your evidence and where did you get it?
Wk 1 preseason QBs - ( New Window )
The idea that there's this large contingent of "Pro-Webb" people on this board is a joke. There's barely anyone who is bullish on Webb or has unrealistic expectations. He looked like shit against Cleveland. Lauletta looked better and had zero experience. Let's see if Webb improves on Friday or if he struggles again.
Good post. Other than Webb fanboy sxdxca, I don't see any overtly "pro-Webb" posters. Just many of us, including me, intrigued by his talent. That said, his performance last week is concerning, mainly in that he played right into most of the criticisms levied against him - that he struggled with accuracy down the field.
To use the argument that he played in exhibitions last year is a silly argument. There was no pressure last year, as he was a 3rd round pick that no one was counting on to be anything more than a 3rd string clipboard carrier. The stakes are MUCH different this year, both with opportunity and risk.
He has a very real chance to win the #2 job, and even be the heir apparent to Eli, but there is also a new administration with no capital invested in him. So it isn't shocking that he might have been overly amped or nervous or a bit of both.