(And Urena should definitely be suspended, bullshit move on his part)
Coaches should work with Acuña on his form there. He kind of fought that one off with his forearm and would have been much smarter to turn a bit harder and take it on the back.
I’m not blaming the victim or anything, just hate to see guys take pitches on the hand/arm.
That’s just spiteful garbage. Hope they drill the next Marlins pitcher that bats right in the neck
Exactly, there is no reason for that.
If intentionally throwing at a batter is garbage, then intentionally throwing at a different player is also garbage.
Guys get hit by pitches by accident on a regular basis. It's part of the game as sometimes pitchers are wild. Sometimes the player shakes it off as nothing more than a bruise, and other times, the batter gets seriously injured that takes him away from the game for a while (e.g. concussions, broken jaws, broken wrists).
Intentionally hitting a batter is a dangerous and low-class move that can cause serious injury and have a real impact on the player's career.
It's no different than intentionally headhunting or laying someone out on a blindsided hit, or diving at an engaged player's knees just to send a message. It's cowardly and unsportsmanlike.
And Jay, I get it. I'd be pissed if this happened to my best player Â
also. Don't want to give the impression that I thought it was no big deal. It was a crappy move by Urena. But the hypocrisy runs thick on this thread. I've seen most of these posters complain that their own pitchers don't throw at hitters in retaliation after their team's player gets hit.
a pitcher throwing one of the hardest pitches he has ever thrown in a game at a player simply because he was playing well.
Hope this wasn't in reference to me. I never once said it okay to intentionally hit a player. But the speed of the pitch is a bit overblown. This guys has thrown 98/99 mph. It wasn't the fastest pitch he's ever thrown.
ESPN: Out of the 2,125 pitches that José Ureña has thrown this season, that's in the 99th percentile of the fastest pitches he's thrown.
on a purpose pitch, and you don't retaliate, you are not protecting your hitters.
You have to retaliate. Personally, being that it's the NL, I'd rather them throw at Urena than say, JT Realmuto. BTW, the Braves play the Marlins again next week. Mattingly may not set up his rotation for Urena to face the Braves during the 3-game series, but if he does, he is going to get smoked. Next week's series is the last time the Braves and Marlins are scheduled to play on the season.
a pitcher throwing one of the hardest pitches he has ever thrown in a game at a player simply because he was playing well.
Hope this wasn't in reference to me. I never once said it okay to intentionally hit a player. But the speed of the pitch is a bit overblown. This guys has thrown 98/99 mph. It wasn't the fastest pitch he's ever thrown.
No it wasn't, It was in reference to Keith Hernandez.
a pitcher throwing one of the hardest pitches he has ever thrown in a game at a player simply because he was playing well.
Hope this wasn't in reference to me. I never once said it okay to intentionally hit a player. But the speed of the pitch is a bit overblown. This guys has thrown 98/99 mph. It wasn't the fastest pitch he's ever thrown.
ESPN: Out of the 2,125 pitches that José Ureña has thrown this season, that's in the 99th percentile of the fastest pitches he's thrown.
LOL, okay? What's your point? That a hard thrower threw a pitch slightly faster than he normally does but not as fast as he can actually throw?
So he could have thrown the pitch faster?!?! I guess he held back because he didn't want to "maim" him.
RE: And Jay, I get it. I'd be pissed if this happened to my best player Â
also. Don't want to give the impression that I thought it was no big deal. It was a crappy move by Urena. But the hypocrisy runs thick on this thread. I've seen most of these posters complain that their own pitchers don't throw at hitters in retaliation after their team's player gets hit.
But then they get outraged about this.
I understand, I am not one of those posters. I don't think that there is any room for that in the sport. I didn't want the Braves to retaliate last night and I am glad that they didn't. I think they should take the high road as it would look poorly on them if they did retaliate.
on a purpose pitch, and you don't retaliate, you are not protecting your hitters.
You have to retaliate. Personally, being that it's the NL, I'd rather them throw at Urena than say, JT Realmuto. BTW, the Braves play the Marlins again next week. Mattingly may not set up his rotation for Urena to face the Braves during the 3-game series, but if he does, he is going to get smoked. Next week's series is the last time the Braves and Marlins are scheduled to play on the season.
I disagree, the entire bench clearing in support of your player is protection enough IMO. That sends the same message without sinking down to Urena's level.
a pitcher throwing one of the hardest pitches he has ever thrown in a game at a player simply because he was playing well.
Hope this wasn't in reference to me. I never once said it okay to intentionally hit a player. But the speed of the pitch is a bit overblown. This guys has thrown 98/99 mph. It wasn't the fastest pitch he's ever thrown.
ESPN: Out of the 2,125 pitches that José Ureña has thrown this season, that's in the 99th percentile of the fastest pitches he's thrown.
LOL, okay? What's your point? That a hard thrower threw a pitch slightly faster than he normally does but not as fast as he can actually throw?
So he could have thrown the pitch faster?!?! I guess he held back because he didn't want to "maim" him.
He threw it harder than 99 percent of his other pitches. Thats the point. How is that difficult to understand? You're the only one having trouble here.
a pitcher throwing one of the hardest pitches he has ever thrown in a game at a player simply because he was playing well.
Hope this wasn't in reference to me. I never once said it okay to intentionally hit a player. But the speed of the pitch is a bit overblown. This guys has thrown 98/99 mph. It wasn't the fastest pitch he's ever thrown.
ESPN: Out of the 2,125 pitches that José Ureña has thrown this season, that's in the 99th percentile of the fastest pitches he's thrown.
LOL, okay? What's your point? That a hard thrower threw a pitch slightly faster than he normally does but not as fast as he can actually throw?
So he could have thrown the pitch faster?!?! I guess he held back because he didn't want to "maim" him.
He threw it harder than 99 percent of his other pitches. Thats the point. How is that difficult to understand? You're the only one having trouble here.
I'm not the one having trouble. You are clearly that one that needs to stoop to childish levels because someone has a different opinion than you do. This sounds like a "you" problem. But please, carry on.
I’ve read a lot of dumb shit on this site recently but, this one takes the cake.
at first I read about it online and it was suggested that it was planned. Mattinglys name came up and I admitted that I was wrong after I saw it. Pretty obvious to figure that out.
I’ve read a lot of dumb shit on this site recently but, this one takes the cake.
at first I read about it online and it was suggested that it was planned. Mattinglys name came up and I admitted that I was wrong after I saw it. Pretty obvious to figure that out.
I’ve read a lot of dumb shit on this site recently but, this one takes the cake.
at first I read about it online and it was suggested that it was planned. Mattinglys name came up and I admitted that I was wrong after I saw it. Pretty obvious to figure that out.
Let me guess. Met's fan?
LOL, another Yankee fan that's fixated on the Mets. Classic.
a pitcher throwing one of the hardest pitches he has ever thrown in a game at a player simply because he was playing well.
Hope this wasn't in reference to me. I never once said it okay to intentionally hit a player. But the speed of the pitch is a bit overblown. This guys has thrown 98/99 mph. It wasn't the fastest pitch he's ever thrown.
ESPN: Out of the 2,125 pitches that José Ureña has thrown this season, that's in the 99th percentile of the fastest pitches he's thrown.
LOL, okay? What's your point? That a hard thrower threw a pitch slightly faster than he normally does but not as fast as he can actually throw?
So he could have thrown the pitch faster?!?! I guess he held back because he didn't want to "maim" him.
He threw it harder than 99 percent of his other pitches. Thats the point. How is that difficult to understand? You're the only one having trouble here.
I'm not the one having trouble. You are clearly that one that needs to stoop to childish levels because someone has a different opinion than you do. This sounds like a "you" problem. But please, carry on.
@jasonisbell
The @Marlins sent a very clear message tonight, and that message was “We can take your hottest hitter out of the game in the first inning and still lose the game.”
is certainly frowned upon more today than ever. It used to be a big part of the game though. Keith's point is that you can't let a guy sit up there taking HR quality swings every time. You hit him. You make him think about it next time. Not in the head, but you hit him. That's how it was done. Make them step in the bucket. That's why Randy Johnson hit 190 guys. And Nolan Ryan. Greg Maddox even hit a ton, and he could paint the corner whenever he wanted.
They weren't hitting guys who were bat flipping and slow trotting. They were making guys scared.
I'm not condoning it and I never liked it. If you intentionally throw a ball at me 99 mph from 60 feet, be prepared for me to bring my bat when I charge the mound.
is certainly frowned upon more today than ever. It used to be a big part of the game though. Keith's point is that you can't let a guy sit up there taking HR quality swings every time. You hit him. You make him think about it next time. Not in the head, but you hit him. That's how it was done. Make them step in the bucket. That's why Randy Johnson hit 190 guys. And Nolan Ryan. Greg Maddox even hit a ton, and he could paint the corner whenever he wanted.
They weren't hitting guys who were bat flipping and slow trotting. They were making guys scared.
I'm not condoning it and I never liked it. If you intentionally throw a ball at me 99 mph from 60 feet, be prepared for me to bring my bat when I charge the mound.
Actually you don't hit them. You back them off the plate....big difference.
And pitching inside to make a point is different than flat out hitting a guy. Pitching inside will result in some hit batters........this doesn't seem to be the case.
Although today backing guys off is definitely not the same as it was 40 yrs ago..........
is certainly frowned upon more today than ever. It used to be a big part of the game though. Keith's point is that you can't let a guy sit up there taking HR quality swings every time. You hit him. You make him think about it next time. Not in the head, but you hit him. That's how it was done. Make them step in the bucket. That's why Randy Johnson hit 190 guys. And Nolan Ryan. Greg Maddox even hit a ton, and he could paint the corner whenever he wanted.
They weren't hitting guys who were bat flipping and slow trotting. They were making guys scared.
I'm not condoning it and I never liked it. If you intentionally throw a ball at me 99 mph from 60 feet, be prepared for me to bring my bat when I charge the mound.
Keith also said you can't have a guy leaning out over the plate looking to drive the ball and hit HR's. Problem is, Acuna wasn't leaning out over the plate so his point was wrong on more than one level IMO.
Coaches should work with Acuña on his form there. He kind of fought that one off with his forearm and would have been much smarter to turn a bit harder and take it on the back.
I’m not blaming the victim or anything, just hate to see guys take pitches on the hand/arm.
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That’s just spiteful garbage. Hope they drill the next Marlins pitcher that bats right in the neck
Exactly, there is no reason for that.
If intentionally throwing at a batter is garbage, then intentionally throwing at a different player is also garbage.
Guys get hit by pitches by accident on a regular basis. It's part of the game as sometimes pitchers are wild. Sometimes the player shakes it off as nothing more than a bruise, and other times, the batter gets seriously injured that takes him away from the game for a while (e.g. concussions, broken jaws, broken wrists).
Intentionally hitting a batter is a dangerous and low-class move that can cause serious injury and have a real impact on the player's career.
It's no different than intentionally headhunting or laying someone out on a blindsided hit, or diving at an engaged player's knees just to send a message. It's cowardly and unsportsmanlike.
But then they get outraged about this.
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a pitcher throwing one of the hardest pitches he has ever thrown in a game at a player simply because he was playing well.
Hope this wasn't in reference to me. I never once said it okay to intentionally hit a player. But the speed of the pitch is a bit overblown. This guys has thrown 98/99 mph. It wasn't the fastest pitch he's ever thrown.
ESPN: Out of the 2,125 pitches that José Ureña has thrown this season, that's in the 99th percentile of the fastest pitches he's thrown.
Does Urena have a rep as a headhunter?
You have to retaliate. Personally, being that it's the NL, I'd rather them throw at Urena than say, JT Realmuto. BTW, the Braves play the Marlins again next week. Mattingly may not set up his rotation for Urena to face the Braves during the 3-game series, but if he does, he is going to get smoked. Next week's series is the last time the Braves and Marlins are scheduled to play on the season.
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a pitcher throwing one of the hardest pitches he has ever thrown in a game at a player simply because he was playing well.
Hope this wasn't in reference to me. I never once said it okay to intentionally hit a player. But the speed of the pitch is a bit overblown. This guys has thrown 98/99 mph. It wasn't the fastest pitch he's ever thrown.
No it wasn't, It was in reference to Keith Hernandez.
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a pitcher throwing one of the hardest pitches he has ever thrown in a game at a player simply because he was playing well.
Hope this wasn't in reference to me. I never once said it okay to intentionally hit a player. But the speed of the pitch is a bit overblown. This guys has thrown 98/99 mph. It wasn't the fastest pitch he's ever thrown.
ESPN: Out of the 2,125 pitches that José Ureña has thrown this season, that's in the 99th percentile of the fastest pitches he's thrown.
LOL, okay? What's your point? That a hard thrower threw a pitch slightly faster than he normally does but not as fast as he can actually throw?
So he could have thrown the pitch faster?!?! I guess he held back because he didn't want to "maim" him.
But then they get outraged about this.
I understand, I am not one of those posters. I don't think that there is any room for that in the sport. I didn't want the Braves to retaliate last night and I am glad that they didn't. I think they should take the high road as it would look poorly on them if they did retaliate.
You have to retaliate. Personally, being that it's the NL, I'd rather them throw at Urena than say, JT Realmuto. BTW, the Braves play the Marlins again next week. Mattingly may not set up his rotation for Urena to face the Braves during the 3-game series, but if he does, he is going to get smoked. Next week's series is the last time the Braves and Marlins are scheduled to play on the season.
I disagree, the entire bench clearing in support of your player is protection enough IMO. That sends the same message without sinking down to Urena's level.
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a pitcher throwing one of the hardest pitches he has ever thrown in a game at a player simply because he was playing well.
Hope this wasn't in reference to me. I never once said it okay to intentionally hit a player. But the speed of the pitch is a bit overblown. This guys has thrown 98/99 mph. It wasn't the fastest pitch he's ever thrown.
ESPN: Out of the 2,125 pitches that José Ureña has thrown this season, that's in the 99th percentile of the fastest pitches he's thrown.
LOL, okay? What's your point? That a hard thrower threw a pitch slightly faster than he normally does but not as fast as he can actually throw?
So he could have thrown the pitch faster?!?! I guess he held back because he didn't want to "maim" him.
He threw it harder than 99 percent of his other pitches. Thats the point. How is that difficult to understand? You're the only one having trouble here.
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a pitcher throwing one of the hardest pitches he has ever thrown in a game at a player simply because he was playing well.
Hope this wasn't in reference to me. I never once said it okay to intentionally hit a player. But the speed of the pitch is a bit overblown. This guys has thrown 98/99 mph. It wasn't the fastest pitch he's ever thrown.
ESPN: Out of the 2,125 pitches that José Ureña has thrown this season, that's in the 99th percentile of the fastest pitches he's thrown.
LOL, okay? What's your point? That a hard thrower threw a pitch slightly faster than he normally does but not as fast as he can actually throw?
So he could have thrown the pitch faster?!?! I guess he held back because he didn't want to "maim" him.
He threw it harder than 99 percent of his other pitches. Thats the point. How is that difficult to understand? You're the only one having trouble here.
I'm not the one having trouble. You are clearly that one that needs to stoop to childish levels because someone has a different opinion than you do. This sounds like a "you" problem. But please, carry on.
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Mattingly is a scumbag.
I’ve read a lot of dumb shit on this site recently but, this one takes the cake.
at first I read about it online and it was suggested that it was planned. Mattinglys name came up and I admitted that I was wrong after I saw it. Pretty obvious to figure that out.
Let me guess. Met's fan?
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Mattingly is a scumbag.
I’ve read a lot of dumb shit on this site recently but, this one takes the cake.
at first I read about it online and it was suggested that it was planned. Mattinglys name came up and I admitted that I was wrong after I saw it. Pretty obvious to figure that out.
Let me guess. Met's fan?
No it was a fellow Braves fan that mentioned it.
Glad spent the time finding this youtube clip from 5 years ago. Niese was clearly a badass, headhunter /eyeroll.
Weird that you seem to be fixated on the Mets. But it says so much.
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Mattingly is a scumbag.
I’ve read a lot of dumb shit on this site recently but, this one takes the cake.
at first I read about it online and it was suggested that it was planned. Mattinglys name came up and I admitted that I was wrong after I saw it. Pretty obvious to figure that out.
Let me guess. Met's fan?
LOL, another Yankee fan that's fixated on the Mets. Classic.
You know that Brett hates baseball, right?
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a pitcher throwing one of the hardest pitches he has ever thrown in a game at a player simply because he was playing well.
Hope this wasn't in reference to me. I never once said it okay to intentionally hit a player. But the speed of the pitch is a bit overblown. This guys has thrown 98/99 mph. It wasn't the fastest pitch he's ever thrown.
ESPN: Out of the 2,125 pitches that José Ureña has thrown this season, that's in the 99th percentile of the fastest pitches he's thrown.
LOL, okay? What's your point? That a hard thrower threw a pitch slightly faster than he normally does but not as fast as he can actually throw?
So he could have thrown the pitch faster?!?! I guess he held back because he didn't want to "maim" him.
He threw it harder than 99 percent of his other pitches. Thats the point. How is that difficult to understand? You're the only one having trouble here.
I'm not the one having trouble. You are clearly that one that needs to stoop to childish levels because someone has a different opinion than you do. This sounds like a "you" problem. But please, carry on.
My goodness you are quite the whiner.
The @Marlins sent a very clear message tonight, and that message was “We can take your hottest hitter out of the game in the first inning and still lose the game.”
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Weird that you seem to be fixated on the Mets. But it says so much.
You know that Brett hates baseball, right?
Haha, no I did not. Then I retract!
My goodness you are quite the whiner.
Like I said, sounds like a "you" problem. Good luck with that.
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My goodness you are quite the whiner.
Like I said, sounds like a "you" problem. Good luck with that.
Yea its my fault you whine so much.
They weren't hitting guys who were bat flipping and slow trotting. They were making guys scared.
I'm not condoning it and I never liked it. If you intentionally throw a ball at me 99 mph from 60 feet, be prepared for me to bring my bat when I charge the mound.
Players get thrown at for showboating or breaking unwritten rules of competition. They don't get thrown at because they are playing really well.
That's what happened here. If you think it equates to anything else in baseball, you'd be wrong, which is why it is drawing such outrage.
That's really it in a nutshell.............
They weren't hitting guys who were bat flipping and slow trotting. They were making guys scared.
I'm not condoning it and I never liked it. If you intentionally throw a ball at me 99 mph from 60 feet, be prepared for me to bring my bat when I charge the mound.
Actually you don't hit them. You back them off the plate....big difference.
And pitching inside to make a point is different than flat out hitting a guy. Pitching inside will result in some hit batters........this doesn't seem to be the case.
Although today backing guys off is definitely not the same as it was 40 yrs ago..........
They weren't hitting guys who were bat flipping and slow trotting. They were making guys scared.
I'm not condoning it and I never liked it. If you intentionally throw a ball at me 99 mph from 60 feet, be prepared for me to bring my bat when I charge the mound.
Keith also said you can't have a guy leaning out over the plate looking to drive the ball and hit HR's. Problem is, Acuna wasn't leaning out over the plate so his point was wrong on more than one level IMO.