Would they have either used their respective draft spot on a QB or traded up for a chance at one?
My point, we cannot just look at Sam Darnold versus Barkley, or any of the other QB's versus our pick in a vacuum.
The fact remains we have Eli, a two time Super Bowl MVP, veteran, smart, and durable leader. Someone, when given a supporting cast in front of him, has succeeded greatly for this franchise.
My take, not sure any of the aforementioned teams use their top picks on a QB if Eli was their man. Just my two cents.
I honestly believe if you had put Eli on the recent Dallas teams, the perception of him would be quite different.
I just want to see this guy get actual pass protection and have a run game again before closing the book. He may really just be hitting the end - he's getting old. It's going to happen. But he's set up to succeed this year, so I think this will give us a good idea of what Eli has left.
They have expressed to Giant fans, you will now know how hard it is to get one. When Darnold fell right into the Giants lap, that's the guy I wanted. However the Giants felt differently and that's there call. Barkley is gonna be a good player.
Lets see what happens, know one here has a crystal ball, we will all find out how many years Eli has, hopefully at least 5 would be nice.
Personally, I would have moved on from Eli but what's done is done. I've been wrong before and hopefully I'm wrong again. It's f'n August, can we just root for our team now and see how things shake out? If our season goes to shit, by all means we can resume the circle jerk. But please no more. There's plenty of other things to talk about.
The Giants apparently like Darnold, Rudolph, and Lauletta.
We opted not to, presumably because Barkley was too good to pass up and because the QB options weren't good enough for the future. All we can do at this point is hope that decision making was sound.
Giants will let Eli play out contract, if Webb/Lauletta are future they will find out.
Giants are not a Super Bowl contender, in 2-3 years who knows?
If Eli can't cut it, and Webb/Lauletta stink. Giants will at least be strong up middle and in 2020 draft, there will be a franchise QB available.
Giants have been fundamentally average/bad for years. It will take at least 2 really good drafts to get competitive again.
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I just love it when all the doubters re-emerge as if he’s some unproven rookie, as that’s when the best version of Eli comes out and shines.
If he’s 37 and looks and stays in great shape he can conceivably play till his 40/41 season. 37, 38, 39, 40... Four more potential years for someone to snatch the job from him. Will he make it that long? Does he have the want-to as Riddick questioned...? The fact these whispers are swirling just means Eli has us lined up right where he wants us.
If someone takes the job from him they’ll certainly have to earn it, cause I think Eli will be out with guns blazing this year to prove the doubters wrong. .
Why was drafting a QB this year such a forced issue?
Barkley looked like a generational talent at a position of need, which could alleviate pressure on an already existing franchise QB who has earned the right to continue playing as long as he wants. I dont think its that ridiculous of a situation as some have made it out to be.
As for a QB wasting two years on the bench - that's if Eli plays at a high level until he's 39. Nobody seems to think that's asking a bit much of him? Not everyone plays that long, let alone a guy who took a hell of a beating behind a shit OL the past 5 years.
The math on this is the same any way we bend it - the top rated QB prospects have to underperform, or Eli has to play at a high level and Barkley has to meet extremely high expectations. If not - if the top rated QB prospects turn out to be better than expected, if Barkley's a disappointment and Eli has nothing in the tank left, we're going to be regretting that draft for a very long time. I sure hope that's not the case.
You probably don't want him to be Gale Sayers.
You cant win in this league without a QB.
In any event, we have a kid that I love and a guy you want to root for to succeed. I hope the pressure doesnt get to him and he goes on to help us win #5. I was against picking the position not the player. There is nothing not to like about him.
We need to model our team after Giants influenced championship level teams like Minnesota and Jax.
We opted not to, presumably because Barkley was too good to pass up and because the QB options weren't good enough for the future. All we can do at this point is hope that decision making was sound.
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How good did Prescott look last year without Elliot? Wilson without Lynch? A running game is a QBs best friend.
Why was drafting a QB this year such a forced issue?
Barkley looked like a generational talent at a position of need, which could alleviate pressure on an already existing franchise QB who has earned the right to continue playing as long as he wants. I dont think its that ridiculous of a situation as some have made it out to be.
Because we picked 2nd and had our pick of the consensus top QBs. That does NOT happen every year.
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we could acquire a QB? There will be a draft next year as well. There will also be free agency next year as well. We could also make trades at any time.
Why was drafting a QB this year such a forced issue?
Barkley looked like a generational talent at a position of need, which could alleviate pressure on an already existing franchise QB who has earned the right to continue playing as long as he wants. I dont think its that ridiculous of a situation as some have made it out to be.
Because we picked 2nd and had our pick of the consensus top QBs. That does NOT happen every year.
While this is true, good QBs do not have to come from the top of the draft. As mentioned in an earlier post, Redskins replaced Cousins with a solid vet QB, which could be the case for the Giants in the next few years as well. Or look at where other QBs this year were drafted... Cardinals got their guy at 10, Ravens got theirs at the end of the first. Hell, Pats took Garappolo in the 2nd.
Forcing a QB pick because you have a high pick doesnt guarantee anything! It could set your franchise back years.
Whether you wanted Barkley, a QB, or a trade down for lots of offensive linemen, we drafted Barkley and Eli is the starter for 2018. Maybe it's time to just move past the draft?
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While this is true, good QBs do not have to come from the top of the draft. As mentioned in an earlier post, Redskins replaced Cousins with a solid vet QB, which could be the case for the Giants in the next few years as well. Or look at where other QBs this year were drafted... Cardinals got their guy at 10, Ravens got theirs at the end of the first. Hell, Pats took Garappolo in the 2nd.
Forcing a QB pick because you have a high pick doesnt guarantee anything! It could set your franchise back years.
You know what else sets your Franchise back years? Not having any QBs that can play. You thought Darnold would have been a forced pick. Many of us don't and think he will be a franchise QB that could have set the Giants up for years to come after Eli is gone.
Also I am sorry but no, I am not interested in having an Alex Smith or Case Keenum type QB making $20M a year as our future.
Again, my opinion: Gettleman knew that if he drafted a QB at 2, he is replacing a legendary Giant - we can dispute his numbers or if he’s over/iunderrated another day. But the way the league and fans came to support Eli after the benching last year factored into how they viewed Eli. If they drafted Darnold- he would have to be as good or better than Eli for us to view it as a success. Eli Manning has been our QB since mid season 2004 and beloved by many. They HAD to hit a homerun on this pick if it were a QB.
The Jets, if Darnold turns out to be someone say like Joe Flacco or Alex Smith (someone who isn’t a superstar but solid), then the perception by the Jets is that this was the right move. Look at how they revered Fitzpatrick in 2015?
I’m not saying that Darnold’s celing are the QBs I mentioned. My point is that the Jets are a QB-thirsty team and this guy gives them hope.
Back to us, I am also rooting like heck for Eli to have a great season and for Barkley to be a generational talent.
We opted not to, presumably because Barkley was too good to pass up and because the QB options weren't good enough for the future. All we can do at this point is hope that decision making was sound.
I completely disagree with this. Darnold or Rosen we’re going to sit behind Eli for 2 years? No way. That was never going to happen. Go back and listen to Eli interview CMB right after the season on WFAN - it’s clear he wasn’t enthused with the idea of a 2nd overall pick QB sitting behind him. We all witnessed it last year & there is no way Mara would have signed up for it again. I can only imagine the noise to start Darnold if we would start 3-5.
It was either cut bait entirely with Eli and start over or commit to Eli and draft Barkley/Chubb. It’s 2018. The idea that a top 5 QB is going to sit for 2 years is wildly idealistic & wishful thinking. The question was not whether to draft a QB, the question was whether it was time to move on completely from Eli after 2017.
Eli’s performance this season or next season will determine when that poor season will occur and who is the QB responsible for it.
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Without rehashing the entire debate since there's nothing additional anyone could possibly add at this point, it's entirely possible to have drafted a QB and still stick with Eli for the remainder of his career.
We opted not to, presumably because Barkley was too good to pass up and because the QB options weren't good enough for the future. All we can do at this point is hope that decision making was sound.
I completely disagree with this. Darnold or Rosen we’re going to sit behind Eli for 2 years? No way. That was never going to happen. Go back and listen to Eli interview CMB right after the season on WFAN - it’s clear he wasn’t enthused with the idea of a 2nd overall pick QB sitting behind him. We all witnessed it last year & there is no way Mara would have signed up for it again. I can only imagine the noise to start Darnold if we would start 3-5.
It was either cut bait entirely with Eli and start over or commit to Eli and draft Barkley/Chubb. It’s 2018. The idea that a top 5 QB is going to sit for 2 years is wildly idealistic & wishful thinking. The question was not whether to draft a QB, the question was whether it was time to move on completely from Eli after 2017.
If the Giants used your reasoning in any way, shape or form - then this franchise is more fucked than last year's record indicates. Eli wasn't enthused at the thought of a high pick sitting behind him? Too fucking bad. This is a business, and he's nearing the end of his career. Picking a replacement doesn't have to make him happy, excited or anything else - he's under contract, he's a professional, he has to play ball.
As far as a QB sitting for a year or two - with the new rookie scale, why the hell would it be worse now than when teams did it as SOP? In most cases, teams don't wait because they need the contribution immediately. Having the luxury of a guy who could still play ahead of a rookie QB, to give him the opportunity to learn the pro game and the new system (in particular in an era where spread offenses are prolific) would be a huge boost.
The question isn't whether it was time to move on from Eli. It was whether any of the QBs in the draft were worthy of being picked 2nd overall, and if so, how did they compare to Barkley. From everything we've heard, the Giants didn't believe there was a franchise QB in this draft. If that turns out to be the case, then Gettleman wins, even if Barkley isn't all he's advertised to be. If not, then that will be his lasting legacy, and it won't be a good one unless Eli has something left and/or Barkley is the goods.
There would certainly be some downside to it - the second Eli struggled, we'd get a stadium full of people asking to see the backup. Unfortunately, even with the scrubs on deck, we're still going to have that.
The only way all of this is OK is if the Giants did an eval, and felt that none of these QBs were worthy of such a high pick (or if they felt Barkley was much better at his position than any of them were at theirs).
The silly responses - 'well, if we suck we'll be picking high again in two years' - are just that. You'd have taken a franchise that was awful for 5 years out of 6 and condemned it to at least three more years of terrible play.
It's nice to think Webb or Lauletta might be the next guy, but that's a very tough goal to accomplish. Teams all over the league pay through the nose for even halfway decent QB play. It's a passing league, and you need solid QB play to win. If Eli has nothing left in the tank, we're in bad shape.
They have expressed to Giant fans, you will now know how hard it is to get one. When Darnold fell right into the Giants lap, that's the guy I wanted. However the Giants felt differently and that's there call. Barkley is gonna be a good player.
Lets see what happens, know one here has a crystal ball, we will all find out how many years Eli has, hopefully at least 5 would be nice.
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