AAA Gagnon
AA Kilome
A+ Peterson
Columbia TBD
BK Campusano
Kingsport Rojas
GCL TBD
DSL1 TBD
DSL2 TBD
AAA
Alonso 0-3, 2 k's
Dom 0-4
Guillorme 1-3, BB
Taylor 2 innings 4 hits 0 runs 0 walks 2 k's
AA
Gimenez 2-5, 2b (.378 with 4 walks, 2 SB's over his last 10
Mazeika 0-4, BB
Toffey 2-3, BB
Nido 1-4, BB
Jannis 6 innings 6 hits 0 runs 1 walk 4 k's (Free Mickey! 2 ER allowed over his last 27.1 innings, 7 runs over his last 6 starts, give him an MLB start!)
Villines 1 perfect 1 k (Keeps on truckin)
Blackham 1 inning 1 hit 0 runs 1 walk 3 k's
FSL
Wright 0-3, 2 k's
Vasquez 2-4
Lindsay 2-4, 2 k's (5 for 15, HR... but 7 k's to go with it. Has to make better contact)
Carpio 1-4, 2b
Paez 1-4, K
Taylor 5.2 innings 7 hits 4 runs 3 walks 4 k's
Cobb 1 perfect 2 k's
Columbia
Winaker 3-4, HR (Really strange he's still in Columbia .316 5 homers over his last 10, 23 in November, OPS up to .803... promote)
Manea 1-4, K
Renteria 7.2 innings 4 hits 3 runs 0 walks 9 k's (Best pro start mediocre overall numbers for a soon to be 24 year old but has struck out 25 over his last 19 innings)
BK
JMM 2-3, SB
Cortes 0-4, K
Chambers 0-3, BB
Meyer 0-4
Dirocie 0-3, BB, K
Walker 5 innings 3 hits 0 runs 2 walks 4 k's
Megill 4 innings 1 hit 0 runs 1 walk 8 k's
Kingsport
Santana 3-4, 2b
Kelenic 1-4, BB, K, SB
Vientos 1-4, K
Newton 0-4, BB, 4 k's (Golden Sombrero)
Moreno 1 inning 0 hits 1 run 1 walk 2 k's
GCL
Mauricio 1-4, K
Consuegra 1-3
Palmer 1-4
Reyes 1-4, K
Hardy 2 innings 0 hits 0 runs 3 walks 2 k's
Hammer (debut) 1 inning 1 hit 0 runs 0 walks 1 k
DSL
Mejia 4 innings 1 hit 0 runs 0 walks 3 k's
Colina 4 innings 2 hits 0 runs 0 walks 4 k's
Valerio 1-4, BB, K, SB
Hernandez 0-4, BB, 3 k's
I read he's pitching in the Mets system.
On one hand to fail back to back to back tests like he did (in a 6 month period) indicates you are one of the dumbest people on the planet, but on the other hand he'd be affordable "talent" in the pen where the Mets desperately need it.
Any chance he's in Queens next year?
I read he's pitching in the Mets system.
On one hand to fail back to back to back tests like he did (in a 6 month period) indicates you are one of the dumbest people on the planet, but on the other hand he'd be affordable "talent" in the pen where the Mets desperately need it.
Any chance he's in Queens next year?
If hes still got the skills, yes. Plus he has closer experience.
He could be the cheap setup man to gsellman
I read he's pitching in the Mets system.
On one hand to fail back to back to back tests like he did (in a 6 month period) indicates you are one of the dumbest people on the planet, but on the other hand he'd be affordable "talent" in the pen where the Mets desperately need it.
Any chance he's in Queens next year?
Almost certainly be released. He's arbitration eligible and would have to be added to the 40 man if he's not non-tendered.
If he's almost certain to be release why not try and trade him in a waiver deal? Can you do that with a minor leaguer in his situation? otherwise seems like he's taking innings away from someone else.
or is what the Mets are doing now really an MLB Union thing?
I think they'll take a look at his stuff in camp before making the decision. Why make the decision before you have to?
Isn't there a deadline, well before camp, when they need to sign him, offer arbitration, tender him, etc?
Isn't there a deadline, well before camp, when they need to sign him, offer arbitration, tender him, etc?
I believe that you can tender him but if you cut him before a certain date (late in March) he doesn't get paid most of the salary. Looking for a link but can't find it right now.
If he's almost certain to be release why not try and trade him in a waiver deal? Can you do that with a minor leaguer in his situation? otherwise seems like he's taking innings away from someone else.
or is what the Mets are doing now really an MLB Union thing?
No he was already making 2.6 million, so roughly the same amount. 1/6 would be guaranteed.
The homerun to dead center yesterday to lead off game 1 was a bomb. I just want him to pick his spots and not try to hit homers, though. He has enough power that he will get them by just putting a good swing on the ball and barreling them up. I want him to draw a few more walks and just put the ball in play, get on base, because he can be a 40 or 50 or more SB guy easily.
The kid with 31... is 19!
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is one off the pace in leading all of minor league baseball in HR's and leads in RBI.
The kid with 31... is 19!
Yeah, Royals farmhand (Matias).
Red Sox prospect (Dalbec) has 31 too, but he's like Alsonso's age, only a level below him. And a Dodgers prospect has 31 too, but he's 23 in A+ (Isabel).
those other guys all have way more K's and less BB's than Alsonso - his OBP is much higher. They all have fewer AB's than Alomso. The 19-year old much less.
Valerio 1-4 HR
Cornielly (under the radar having a nice season) 1.2 perfect 2 k's
Escorcha 6.1 innings 8 hits 1 run 0 walks 4 k's
Salazar 1-4, K (signed for 300+ K... 3 extra base hits, for a CO... yikes, only 17 though)
Mauricio 1-2
Consuegra 1-2, SB
Michael Mayer
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Andres Gimenez all over the best tools in the Florida State League done by Baseball America:
Best Baserunner
Fastest Baserunner
Best Defensive SS
Best Infield Arm
Michael Mayer
@mikemayerMMO
7s8 seconds ago
Andres Gimenez all over the best tools in the Florida State League done by Baseball America:
Best Baserunner
Fastest Baserunner
Best Defensive SS
Best Infield Arm
Thats a lot of tools for a guy no tools...
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Michael Mayer
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Andres Gimenez all over the best tools in the Florida State League done by Baseball America:
Best Baserunner
Fastest Baserunner
Best Defensive SS
Best Infield Arm
Thats a lot of tools for a guy no tools...
and he's slashing .321/.398/.423 with an .821 OPS in AA at 19 years old. Small sample, but better than shitting the bed.
I don't think he'll steal 50, but I could see him becoming a 15-20 hr, 20-30 sb guy and hit .270 - .280 with good d at ss.
Dude you ever notice you really overreact on fairly innocuous details?
He has the speed to do it, there just isn't an emphasis on base stealing in today's current game. But he has the capability to do it if he so chose to. It wasn't that long ago in baseball's history that players were stealing 60 and 70 bases per season. And in the 80's you had Vince Coleman and Rickey Henderson stealing over 100 bags a year. I'm not equating Rosario to those players, just saying that things in baseball change and this current brand of baseball will also change.
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never stealing 50 bases c'mon. 0 players in baseball will do that this year, 2 did last year, both were SB freaks dating back to the minors.
Dude you ever notice you really overreact on fairly innocuous details?
He has the speed to do it, there just isn't an emphasis on base stealing in today's current game. But he has the capability to do it if he so chose to. It wasn't that long ago in baseball's history that players were stealing 60 and 70 bases per season. And in the 80's you had Vince Coleman and Rickey Henderson stealing over 100 bags a year. I'm not equating Rosario to those players, just saying that things in baseball change and this current brand of baseball will also change.
I respond to absurd claims. Rosario has 21 steals in 160 career games, his career high in the minors is 19... the last 2 players to steal 50 bases are Billy Hamilton and Dee Gordon. Hamilton is the best base stealer since Rickey Henderson and Gordon stole 73 bases his first full season of professional baseball. No, the game is not going to shift toward speed any time in the near future, it's all about launch angle and HR's thanks to the uptic in velocity (which isn't going anywhere).
Billy Hamilton
Dee Gordon
Could he one day maybe steal 30? Sure it's possible, Wright did it. But he will never steal 40-50 bases.
Ben Revere cracked 40 twice? Not a shock, he stole 40+ all 3 of his full seasons in the minors.
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never stealing 50 bases c'mon. 0 players in baseball will do that this year, 2 did last year, both were SB freaks dating back to the minors.
Dude you ever notice you really overreact on fairly innocuous details?
He has the speed to do it, there just isn't an emphasis on base stealing in today's current game. But he has the capability to do it if he so chose to. It wasn't that long ago in baseball's history that players were stealing 60 and 70 bases per season. And in the 80's you had Vince Coleman and Rickey Henderson stealing over 100 bags a year. I'm not equating Rosario to those players, just saying that things in baseball change and this current brand of baseball will also change.
I respond to absurd claims. Rosario has 21 steals in 160 career games, his career high in the minors is 19... the last 2 players to steal 50 bases are Billy Hamilton and Dee Gordon. Hamilton is the best base stealer since Rickey Henderson and Gordon stole 73 bases his first full season of professional baseball. No, the game is not going to shift toward speed any time in the near future, it's all about launch angle and HR's thanks to the uptic in velocity (which isn't going anywhere).
I don't think it's absurd. He has the speed to do it, and he is still developing as a major leaguer, and he's 22 years old. If he does do it I expect a heartfelt, hand-written apology. ;)
Billy Hamilton
Dee Gordon
Could he one day maybe steal 30? Sure it's possible, Wright did it. But he will never steal 40-50 bases.
I have no argument here, steals are really being phased out of baseball compared with other eras, other than if you think someone can steal 30 bases in a season, saying they "will never" steak 40 seems strange.
the difference between 30 stolen based and 40 stolen bases over the course of a season is less than one half more of a stolen base per week.
Gimenez is a much better bet than Rosario though to steal 40 bases.
Gimenez has 33 in 106 games this year. Rosario never even had 20 in a season in the minors and Gimenez is still 19.
Wright never stole like Gimenez either. Reyes did (better)
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5 seasons here are the players to steal 200 or more bases (the 40-50) range
Billy Hamilton
Dee Gordon
Could he one day maybe steal 30? Sure it's possible, Wright did it. But he will never steal 40-50 bases.
I have no argument here, steals are really being phased out of baseball compared with other eras, other than if you think someone can steal 30 bases in a season, saying they "will never" steak 40 seems strange.
the difference between 30 stolen based and 40 stolen bases over the course of a season is less than one half more of a stolen base per week.
Gimenez is a much better bet than Rosario though to steal 40 bases.
Gimenez has 33 in 106 games this year. Rosario never even had 20 in a season in the minors and Gimenez is still 19.
Wright never stole like Gimenez either. Reyes did (better)
Occasionally you'll see a freak season ie Wright (but even then while not a burner David Wright actually displayed high level baserunning ability in the minors (30/36 his first 171 games), and 3rd season 19/24... so David Wright essentially over 2 professional seasons still stole 49 bases while only getting caught 11 times, and it should be noted Wright stole 30 bases once. Base stealers steal bases in the minors, it's just the way it is. Not being flippant, maybe someone can find some really extreme case where a guy suddenly stole bases but it is beyond rare.
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Michael Mayer
@mikemayerMMO
7s8 seconds ago
Andres Gimenez all over the best tools in the Florida State League done by Baseball America:
Best Baserunner
Fastest Baserunner
Best Defensive SS
Best Infield Arm
Thats a lot of tools for a guy no tools...
and he's slashing .321/.398/.423 with an .821 OPS in AA at 19 years old. Small sample, but better than shitting the bed.
It's mildly shocking to me how little buzz he's gotten all year. Keith Law for example didn't even have him listed in the honorable mention to his top 50 a few weeks ago. Dom Smith was #40 on that list when he was 20 years old with a lower OPS in A+ than Gimenez had (Smith didn't even reach AA until the following year - and that year he again had a lower OPS than Gimenez has at AA right now and he was on the list in the 40's). Law ranked Rosario as a top 25 prospect from the time he reached A+.
I don't think there's any bias it's probably just recency bias of Smith tanking/Rosario underwhelming so they are playing it safe. Ultimately whatever number he's ranked doesn't matter. He is a very good prospect at a premium position with unknown upside thanks to his age.
Also, as disturbing as it may be, I really dont want Wright to have any sort of success in September when he inevitably gets called up. Thats all we need is for him to give some front office guy hope he can be in the mix next year. Also would likely completely eliminate the idea they may recoup some insurance next year (not that they factor it anyway) Yuck.
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5 seasons here are the players to steal 200 or more bases (the 40-50) range
Billy Hamilton
Dee Gordon
Could he one day maybe steal 30? Sure it's possible, Wright did it. But he will never steal 40-50 bases.
I have no argument here, steals are really being phased out of baseball compared with other eras, other than if you think someone can steal 30 bases in a season, saying they "will never" steak 40 seems strange.
the difference between 30 stolen based and 40 stolen bases over the course of a season is less than one half more of a stolen base per week.
Gimenez is a much better bet than Rosario though to steal 40 bases.
Gimenez has 33 in 106 games this year. Rosario never even had 20 in a season in the minors and Gimenez is still 19.
Wright never stole like Gimenez either. Reyes did (better)
Occasionally you'll see a freak season ie Wright (but even then while not a burner David Wright actually displayed high level baserunning ability in the minors (30/36 his first 171 games), and 3rd season 19/24... so David Wright essentially over 2 professional seasons still stole 49 bases while only getting caught 11 times, and it should be noted Wright stole 30 bases once. Base stealers steal bases in the minors, it's just the way it is. Not being flippant, maybe someone can find some really extreme case where a guy suddenly stole bases but it is beyond rare.
I don't think you're being flippant and I generally agree with you, just saying a guy who steals 30 CAN steal 40 (even if unlikely). I would not bet on Rosario stealing 40 bases or even 30 for that matter.
But I also felt like Gimenez is more likely the guy to do it than Rosario anyway - which was my point.
yeah I get it. I understand why Rosario's louder tools were probably more exciting. It's just surprising to me that a prospect like Dom Smith (1B without flashy tools) was generally ranked better when he was at comparable levels. At an older age no less.
So, in other words, Mike Trout is not necessarily better against a knuckleball than Luis Guillhorme
Some guys can hit the knuckleball, other guys can't. And it does correlate with your ability to hit other pitches. Of course, not every pitch a knuckler throws is a knuckleball but the general idea is that if a knuckler can shut down a AA lineup he might be able to do the same thing to a ML lineup if the knuckleball is working.
And is there any Mets fans who wants to see more starts from Vargas over Jannis?
So, in other words, Mike Trout is not necessarily better against a knuckleball than Luis Guillhorme
Some guys can hit the knuckleball, other guys can't. And it does correlate with your ability to hit other pitches. Of course, not every pitch a knuckler throws is a knuckleball but the general idea is that if a knuckler can shut down a AA lineup he might be able to do the same thing to a ML lineup if the knuckleball is working.
And is there any Mets fans who wants to see more starts from Vargas over Jannis?
Admittedly part of wanting to see Jannis is the fact the guy has been at it for so long. 2 seasons as a regular pitcher with the Rays, released, contacted Tom Candiotti to see if he had advice with his knuckler. 2012, 2013, 2014 and part of 2015 pitched in indy ball, Mets sign him. His numbers aren't "incredible" but 3.64 FIP this season, it's not like it's a sideshow act
from 2016- Fangraphs
28. Mickey Jannis, RHP, VIDEO, Double-A
Jannis was a fun change of pace to see in the Arizona Fall League, unleashing his high-70s knuckleball amidst the mid-90s reliever carousel that mostly occupied the mound. He threw a few that flashed plus with surprisingly good athleticism, though it was inconsistent enough that he doesnt look ready yet for big-league hitters. His fastball came in around 90 with fringy command, though it had enough run not to be a meatball pitch he could only throw in three-ball counts. Overall, there was enough skill with his knuckleball to be of interest in the next couple years, but nothing on which to really hang his hat yet.
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While I was never a big fan of Smith's I would still be interested in a disappointing prospect for disappointing prospect trade. Former 1st rounders 1B/OF Braxton Davidson and RP Jason Hursh for Dom Smith.
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So the Mets have tipped their hands. They have given up on Dominic Smith. He will be traded in the off-season. #Mets
While I was never a big fan of Smith's I would still be interested in a disappointing prospect for disappointing prospect trade. Former 1st rounders 1B/OF Braxton Davidson and RP Jason Hursh for Dom Smith.
I'd rather trade him for a disappointing prospect in a similar 4A stage of development who can possibly fill a depth need at another position next year as opposed to a low minors lotto ticket, but that's just me. Kind of like 2016 Mallex Smith. Or pre-2017 Brandon Nimmo. Or another team's current Cecchini but at a position of need (ideally a quality defensive OF, C, or a P). Otherwise just keep him in Vegas bc he's probably a better lotto ticket than an A ball guy anyway. Or depth if there's an injury.
I blame the Mets more than Smith for his current development failure. Last year he showed power and he came to camp in good shape this year, he just got hurt and never got on track. He's still younger than Alonso. It would not shock me at all to see him go to a team willing to give him 600 at bats and put up a halfway decent season (750-800ops?) right away. That's nothing special for a 1b so with Alonso moving him is probably the right decision but only if whatever is coming back is helpful. To a team that has nothing at the position he'd be a good roll of the dice.