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Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/17/2018 6:55 pm
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RE: ajr2456  
ajr2456 : 8/17/2018 8:43 pm : link
In comment 14042091 Eric from BBI said:
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But he was still supposed to be able to run. He looks lost in coverage.


He was always meh in coverage.
RE: RE: Eric I agree  
wonderback : 8/17/2018 8:44 pm : link
In comment 14042090 EricJ said:
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In comment 14042075 Carl in CT said:


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I thought Tree was a real good cover LB. haven’t seen it.



From what I have seen so far, he does not have the instincts to cover a TE/RB. His footwork, angles.. everything.


Looks like he has cement feet. Hope i’m wrong. Reminds me of Carlos Emmons. Good player who was done when the Giants got him. Remember what NFL stands for. Not for long!
Re: Stewatr -  
Cenotaph : 8/17/2018 8:44 pm : link
I wasn't a big fan when we signed him, and he hasn't looked great so far. Besides the fact that we have better options, and RB is one position where older vets tend to not help much - let the young guys run the rock. Maybe he contributes something in the locker room, hoping our GM had some reason? But yeah, definitely would rather see about 3-4 guys get carries before him.
RE: RE: ajr2456  
BleedBlue : 8/17/2018 8:45 pm : link
In comment 14042110 ajr2456 said:
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In comment 14042091 Eric from BBI said:


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But he was still supposed to be able to run. He looks lost in coverage.



He was always meh in coverage.


he has around the same pass breakups as keuchly

while i agree he isnt amazing and doesnt produce INTs as much, he has been good his entire career
RE: RE: RE: That  
ajr2456 : 8/17/2018 8:47 pm : link
In comment 14042101 BleedBlue said:
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In comment 14042087 ajr2456 said:


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In comment 14042066 Eric from BBI said:


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was more encouraging.

But what the heck is going on with Ogletree?



Ogletree hasn’t been good in a few years. It got masked by his high tackle totals. Kirk Morrison 2.0.



lmao. youre out of your mind....average 100 total tackles per season isnt bad. and been bad the last few years? he has been in league only 5 years...so when are you talking he has been bad?

in 2016 he had 136 total tackles....

i mean i normally agree with some shit you have said but sell that bullshit somewhere else. he is a very solid LBer.


Stats, especially tackles don’t tell whether a player is good or not. Tackles are largely a part of scheme, talent around you and luck. The way the rams play he was cleaning up from the holes Donald made.

Morrison had 4 straight years of 100 tackles in Oakland and then was out of the league in a year afterward.

If Ogletree was so good why did the Rams, who spent a boatload this offseason, move him.
RE: The Collins comp for Webb is a good one  
PatersonPlank : 8/17/2018 8:48 pm : link
In comment 14042093 Go Terps said:
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The problem is Collins's arm talent made up for some of his deficiencies. Webb just has the deficiencies.

The throw to Shepard on third down was really good, but the problems are all still there. Hitch in the release, bad footwork, fading back while he throws instead of stepping into it. Not good.


Be objective.
Wheeler  
AcidTest : 8/17/2018 8:48 pm : link
was beaten very badly on third down.
Being fast is not the only relevant quality for playing coverage  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/17/2018 8:49 pm : link
Ogletree is fast. He was beat because he bit on an inside move, and he's a linebacker. He's not explosive enough to recover from that and change direction.
RE: RE: RE: RE: That  
BleedBlue : 8/17/2018 8:49 pm : link
In comment 14042116 ajr2456 said:
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was more encouraging.

But what the heck is going on with Ogletree?



Ogletree hasn’t been good in a few years. It got masked by his high tackle totals. Kirk Morrison 2.0.



lmao. youre out of your mind....average 100 total tackles per season isnt bad. and been bad the last few years? he has been in league only 5 years...so when are you talking he has been bad?

in 2016 he had 136 total tackles....

i mean i normally agree with some shit you have said but sell that bullshit somewhere else. he is a very solid LBer.




Stats, especially tackles don’t tell whether a player is good or not. Tackles are largely a part of scheme, talent around you and luck. The way the rams play he was cleaning up from the holes Donald made.

Morrison had 4 straight years of 100 tackles in Oakland and then was out of the league in a year afterward.

If Ogletree was so good why did the Rams, who spent a boatload this offseason, move him.



im sorry but "bad" players dont make 100 tackles...
"bad" players dont have as many pass break ups as the best LBer in the game

there could be a NUMBER of reasons he was moved.

relationship erosion or tension
money
scheme fit

again, i am not saying he is LK, but lets not make it sound like he has played at the level of a scrub. he is by far the best backer we have had in many years. it was a good move for giants...
Tackles aren't a good way to claim a defensive player is good.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/17/2018 8:51 pm : link
You get a tackle credit if you allow a 5 yard run then tackle.
RE: Tackles aren't a good way to claim a defensive player is good.  
BleedBlue : 8/17/2018 8:53 pm : link
In comment 14042123 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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You get a tackle credit if you allow a 5 yard run then tackle.



he has been a solid complete LBer during his career. again, is he great? no....

but he is the best we have had in a while. if he has some coverage flaws, thats life. he isnt keuchly
Picked!  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/17/2018 8:53 pm : link
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Papa in preseason form  
BestFeature : 8/17/2018 8:53 pm : link
Bobbled the pass from Stafford.
...  
BleedBlue : 8/17/2018 8:54 pm : link
be nice to see them get 6 after a takeaway
WOW  
BleedBlue : 8/17/2018 8:55 pm : link
WHAT A RUN!!!!
What a TD run by Lauletta!  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/17/2018 8:55 pm : link
LOL.
Kyle Vick  
BestFeature : 8/17/2018 8:55 pm : link
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very impressive run by Lauletta  
RasputinPrime : 8/17/2018 8:56 pm : link
did it with smarts.
Sweet moves!  
Beezer : 8/17/2018 8:56 pm : link
Love it.
Was that Lauletta or  
Mike from SI : 8/17/2018 8:56 pm : link
Michael Vick? Can't tell.
RE: RE: Tackles aren't a good way to claim a defensive player is good.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/17/2018 8:56 pm : link
In comment 14042124 BleedBlue said:
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You get a tackle credit if you allow a 5 yard run then tackle.




he has been a solid complete LBer during his career. again, is he great? no....

but he is the best we have had in a while. if he has some coverage flaws, thats life. he isnt keuchly


I have no problem with him. But I knew what he was when they traded for him. I think people assumed big contract = star, and he's not. He's just overpaid.
Damn  
Motley Two : 8/17/2018 8:57 pm : link
Breaking ankles.

That was fun to see  
UberAlias : 8/17/2018 8:57 pm : link
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Definitely time to trade Eli :)  
Cenotaph : 8/17/2018 8:57 pm : link
Seriously though, while it's only preseason and playing against the backups/3rd string etc, it's nice to see our #2-3 QBs actually make a few plays. It's been a while...
Great  
AcidTest : 8/17/2018 8:57 pm : link
TD run by Lauletta. Nice juke.
I’m liking the Webb-Lauletta competition  
Chris684 : 8/17/2018 8:57 pm : link
Banks mentioning how Lauletta is showing great fundamentals and ball protection.
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njm : 8/17/2018 8:57 pm : link

Longest run by a Giants QB in 14 years.
RE: RE: RE: Tackles aren't a good way to claim a defensive player is good.  
BleedBlue : 8/17/2018 8:57 pm : link
In comment 14042137 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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You get a tackle credit if you allow a 5 yard run then tackle.




he has been a solid complete LBer during his career. again, is he great? no....

but he is the best we have had in a while. if he has some coverage flaws, thats life. he isnt keuchly



I have no problem with him. But I knew what he was when they traded for him. I think people assumed big contract = star, and he's not. He's just overpaid.


yea he isnt a star, but still the best we have had in some time. he will be fine. its not like we havent had LBers who were bad in coverage lol. he is just a piece on the defense.
RE: CT  
shyster : 8/17/2018 8:58 pm : link
In comment 14042074 Daniel in MI said:
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On the broadcast I’m watching, Spielman noted they went fasemask to facemask with neither player dipping his head. Said should have been a no call. He said the league’s study saw 0 concussions from that kind of contact. I think it’s a preseason “message” call.


I heard that and it struck me that there was a widely publicized report earlier this year that a focus on concussions alone is misplaced.

Repeated, sub-concussive blows to the head have been associated with CTE.
cnn - ( New Window )
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BleedBlue : 8/17/2018 8:59 pm : link
KL literally almost broke the dudes ankles lmao
TTH - I'll agree  
Cenotaph : 8/17/2018 8:59 pm : link
Ogletree is probably overpaid and definitely not a star LB...but we didn't give up a ton (and his contract was part of that), and he's still a better LB than most of what we've had here the past few years. I'll settle for an overpaid solid LB who accrues 100+ tackles over the season and anchors the run...even if he isn't great in coverage - though I admit I was hoping for better than we've seen so far. It's been a real weakness of our D, covering TE/RB...
During halftime I watched a minute of Browns-Bills,  
CT Charlie : 8/17/2018 9:04 pm : link
and the Browns caused a fumble with a perfect helmet-to-ball shot on a runner. (Bills recovered.) The defender was, in effect, spearing the ball, but there was no flag and no discussion by the announcers.
Come on D! Let’s hold them here.  
Beezer : 8/17/2018 9:06 pm : link

Davis Webb tonight

14-20, TD

Also, 6-6 on 3rd down.

MUCH better.
ogletree is at his best when he is moving forward  
nygiants16 : 8/17/2018 9:07 pm : link
he is an attacking linebacker, my guess during the regular season you will see collins or riley on runningbacks and tight ends with ogletree blitzing...

giants have been playing a lot of base and when you are in bas linebackers are in man
Terps being Terps  
Dave on the UWS : 8/17/2018 9:07 pm : link
Thinks a QB should step into his throw with 3 guys about to smash him. I like when guys have no idea what they are looking at.
Ajr- Since I’m not an expert I go by the eye test. You can tell if a guy looks like he can play or not. Tonight Webb did.
Mauro looking good.  
Beezer : 8/17/2018 9:08 pm : link

Nice job defense!!!
Great coverage on that 3rd down  
Cenotaph : 8/17/2018 9:09 pm : link
and the receiver immediately turns and holds his hand up to the ref for a flag....modern NFL there. That was probably closer to being flagged on the O than D - the defender beat him to the spot
Nice  
AcidTest : 8/17/2018 9:10 pm : link
play by Thomas. An obvious fourth down and short call.

Blount is a very tough runner.
BTW - anyone notice how Riley  
Cenotaph : 8/17/2018 9:11 pm : link
was as the FS with the starters? Results look good, and I didn't notice him (which can be good for a FS), just wondering if anyone had any details on his play.

Our DL has looked pretty good and some solid depth as well, which is good to see.
This is the first time in recent memory  
antdog24 : 8/17/2018 9:11 pm : link
I can recall seeing 2nd and 3rd string offense and defensive lines play this well. We have some nice depth on this roster. If we can pick up some serviceable CB we will be strong
No injuries that I could see?  
SGMen : 8/17/2018 9:12 pm : link
Our starters are all out and appear healthy, correct?
Webb did really good. 14-20 for 140 yards, I TD and 1 Inte  
PatersonPlank : 8/17/2018 9:12 pm : link
Can't argue with that unless you are predisposed against him. I just want to the best QB for the Giants.
Nice pass by Lauletta.  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/17/2018 9:13 pm : link
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LOL  
mattlawson : 8/17/2018 9:13 pm : link
praying for a completion. It worked!
RE: No injuries that I could see?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/17/2018 9:13 pm : link
In comment 14042171 SGMen said:
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Our starters are all out and appear healthy, correct?


Nothing that was obvious. Seems like everyone made it out okay.
Laulletta  
Mike from SI : 8/17/2018 9:14 pm : link
put a little zip on that completion.
I feel like an awful person because every time a 4th stringer  
BestFeature : 8/17/2018 9:14 pm : link
gets hurt I think to myself "at least he's not important".
Teriffic  
AcidTest : 8/17/2018 9:15 pm : link
third down throw by Lauletta into a very tight window.
RE: I feel like an awful person because every time a 4th stringer  
jnoble : 8/17/2018 9:15 pm : link
In comment 14042178 BestFeature said:
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gets hurt I think to myself "at least he's not important".


I was just guilty of that myself
:-(
RE: I feel like an awful person because every time a 4th stringer  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/17/2018 9:15 pm : link
In comment 14042178 BestFeature said:
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gets hurt I think to myself "at least he's not important".


It's an unfortunate side effect of the sport with how bad injuries are.
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