I thought Tree was a real good cover LB. haven’t seen it.
From what I have seen so far, he does not have the instincts to cover a TE/RB. His footwork, angles.. everything.
Looks like he has cement feet. Hope i’m wrong. Reminds me of Carlos Emmons. Good player who was done when the Giants got him. Remember what NFL stands for. Not for long!
I wasn't a big fan when we signed him, and he hasn't looked great so far. Besides the fact that we have better options, and RB is one position where older vets tend to not help much - let the young guys run the rock. Maybe he contributes something in the locker room, hoping our GM had some reason? But yeah, definitely would rather see about 3-4 guys get carries before him.
Ogletree hasn’t been good in a few years. It got masked by his high tackle totals. Kirk Morrison 2.0.
lmao. youre out of your mind....average 100 total tackles per season isnt bad. and been bad the last few years? he has been in league only 5 years...so when are you talking he has been bad?
in 2016 he had 136 total tackles....
i mean i normally agree with some shit you have said but sell that bullshit somewhere else. he is a very solid LBer.
Stats, especially tackles don’t tell whether a player is good or not. Tackles are largely a part of scheme, talent around you and luck. The way the rams play he was cleaning up from the holes Donald made.
Morrison had 4 straight years of 100 tackles in Oakland and then was out of the league in a year afterward.
If Ogletree was so good why did the Rams, who spent a boatload this offseason, move him.
The problem is Collins's arm talent made up for some of his deficiencies. Webb just has the deficiencies.
The throw to Shepard on third down was really good, but the problems are all still there. Hitch in the release, bad footwork, fading back while he throws instead of stepping into it. Not good.
Ogletree is fast. He was beat because he bit on an inside move, and he's a linebacker. He's not explosive enough to recover from that and change direction.
Ogletree hasn’t been good in a few years. It got masked by his high tackle totals. Kirk Morrison 2.0.
lmao. youre out of your mind....average 100 total tackles per season isnt bad. and been bad the last few years? he has been in league only 5 years...so when are you talking he has been bad?
in 2016 he had 136 total tackles....
i mean i normally agree with some shit you have said but sell that bullshit somewhere else. he is a very solid LBer.
Stats, especially tackles don’t tell whether a player is good or not. Tackles are largely a part of scheme, talent around you and luck. The way the rams play he was cleaning up from the holes Donald made.
Morrison had 4 straight years of 100 tackles in Oakland and then was out of the league in a year afterward.
If Ogletree was so good why did the Rams, who spent a boatload this offseason, move him.
im sorry but "bad" players dont make 100 tackles...
"bad" players dont have as many pass break ups as the best LBer in the game
there could be a NUMBER of reasons he was moved.
relationship erosion or tension
money
scheme fit
again, i am not saying he is LK, but lets not make it sound like he has played at the level of a scrub. he is by far the best backer we have had in many years. it was a good move for giants...
Tackles aren't a good way to claim a defensive player is good. Â
You get a tackle credit if you allow a 5 yard run then tackle.
he has been a solid complete LBer during his career. again, is he great? no....
but he is the best we have had in a while. if he has some coverage flaws, thats life. he isnt keuchly
I have no problem with him. But I knew what he was when they traded for him. I think people assumed big contract = star, and he's not. He's just overpaid.
Seriously though, while it's only preseason and playing against the backups/3rd string etc, it's nice to see our #2-3 QBs actually make a few plays. It's been a while...
You get a tackle credit if you allow a 5 yard run then tackle.
he has been a solid complete LBer during his career. again, is he great? no....
but he is the best we have had in a while. if he has some coverage flaws, thats life. he isnt keuchly
I have no problem with him. But I knew what he was when they traded for him. I think people assumed big contract = star, and he's not. He's just overpaid.
yea he isnt a star, but still the best we have had in some time. he will be fine. its not like we havent had LBers who were bad in coverage lol. he is just a piece on the defense.
On the broadcast I’m watching, Spielman noted they went fasemask to facemask with neither player dipping his head. Said should have been a no call. He said the league’s study saw 0 concussions from that kind of contact. I think it’s a preseason “message” call.
I heard that and it struck me that there was a widely publicized report earlier this year that a focus on concussions alone is misplaced.
Repeated, sub-concussive blows to the head have been associated with CTE. cnn - ( New Window )
Ogletree is probably overpaid and definitely not a star LB...but we didn't give up a ton (and his contract was part of that), and he's still a better LB than most of what we've had here the past few years. I'll settle for an overpaid solid LB who accrues 100+ tackles over the season and anchors the run...even if he isn't great in coverage - though I admit I was hoping for better than we've seen so far. It's been a real weakness of our D, covering TE/RB...
During halftime I watched a minute of Browns-Bills, Â
and the Browns caused a fumble with a perfect helmet-to-ball shot on a runner. (Bills recovered.) The defender was, in effect, spearing the ball, but there was no flag and no discussion by the announcers.
he is an attacking linebacker, my guess during the regular season you will see collins or riley on runningbacks and tight ends with ogletree blitzing...
giants have been playing a lot of base and when you are in bas linebackers are in man
Thinks a QB should step into his throw with 3 guys about to smash him. I like when guys have no idea what they are looking at.
Ajr- Since I’m not an expert I go by the eye test. You can tell if a guy looks like he can play or not. Tonight Webb did.
and the receiver immediately turns and holds his hand up to the ref for a flag....modern NFL there. That was probably closer to being flagged on the O than D - the defender beat him to the spot
was as the FS with the starters? Results look good, and I didn't notice him (which can be good for a FS), just wondering if anyone had any details on his play.
Our DL has looked pretty good and some solid depth as well, which is good to see.
I can recall seeing 2nd and 3rd string offense and defensive lines play this well. We have some nice depth on this roster. If we can pick up some serviceable CB we will be strong
He was always meh in coverage.
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I thought Tree was a real good cover LB. haven’t seen it.
From what I have seen so far, he does not have the instincts to cover a TE/RB. His footwork, angles.. everything.
Looks like he has cement feet. Hope i’m wrong. Reminds me of Carlos Emmons. Good player who was done when the Giants got him. Remember what NFL stands for. Not for long!
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But he was still supposed to be able to run. He looks lost in coverage.
He was always meh in coverage.
he has around the same pass breakups as keuchly
while i agree he isnt amazing and doesnt produce INTs as much, he has been good his entire career
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was more encouraging.
But what the heck is going on with Ogletree?
Ogletree hasn’t been good in a few years. It got masked by his high tackle totals. Kirk Morrison 2.0.
lmao. youre out of your mind....average 100 total tackles per season isnt bad. and been bad the last few years? he has been in league only 5 years...so when are you talking he has been bad?
in 2016 he had 136 total tackles....
i mean i normally agree with some shit you have said but sell that bullshit somewhere else. he is a very solid LBer.
Stats, especially tackles don’t tell whether a player is good or not. Tackles are largely a part of scheme, talent around you and luck. The way the rams play he was cleaning up from the holes Donald made.
Morrison had 4 straight years of 100 tackles in Oakland and then was out of the league in a year afterward.
If Ogletree was so good why did the Rams, who spent a boatload this offseason, move him.
The throw to Shepard on third down was really good, but the problems are all still there. Hitch in the release, bad footwork, fading back while he throws instead of stepping into it. Not good.
Be objective.
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In comment 14042066 Eric from BBI said:
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was more encouraging.
But what the heck is going on with Ogletree?
Ogletree hasn’t been good in a few years. It got masked by his high tackle totals. Kirk Morrison 2.0.
lmao. youre out of your mind....average 100 total tackles per season isnt bad. and been bad the last few years? he has been in league only 5 years...so when are you talking he has been bad?
in 2016 he had 136 total tackles....
i mean i normally agree with some shit you have said but sell that bullshit somewhere else. he is a very solid LBer.
Stats, especially tackles don’t tell whether a player is good or not. Tackles are largely a part of scheme, talent around you and luck. The way the rams play he was cleaning up from the holes Donald made.
Morrison had 4 straight years of 100 tackles in Oakland and then was out of the league in a year afterward.
If Ogletree was so good why did the Rams, who spent a boatload this offseason, move him.
im sorry but "bad" players dont make 100 tackles...
"bad" players dont have as many pass break ups as the best LBer in the game
there could be a NUMBER of reasons he was moved.
relationship erosion or tension
money
scheme fit
again, i am not saying he is LK, but lets not make it sound like he has played at the level of a scrub. he is by far the best backer we have had in many years. it was a good move for giants...
he has been a solid complete LBer during his career. again, is he great? no....
but he is the best we have had in a while. if he has some coverage flaws, thats life. he isnt keuchly
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You get a tackle credit if you allow a 5 yard run then tackle.
he has been a solid complete LBer during his career. again, is he great? no....
but he is the best we have had in a while. if he has some coverage flaws, thats life. he isnt keuchly
I have no problem with him. But I knew what he was when they traded for him. I think people assumed big contract = star, and he's not. He's just overpaid.
Longest run by a Giants QB in 14 years.
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You get a tackle credit if you allow a 5 yard run then tackle.
he has been a solid complete LBer during his career. again, is he great? no....
but he is the best we have had in a while. if he has some coverage flaws, thats life. he isnt keuchly
I have no problem with him. But I knew what he was when they traded for him. I think people assumed big contract = star, and he's not. He's just overpaid.
yea he isnt a star, but still the best we have had in some time. he will be fine. its not like we havent had LBers who were bad in coverage lol. he is just a piece on the defense.
I heard that and it struck me that there was a widely publicized report earlier this year that a focus on concussions alone is misplaced.
Repeated, sub-concussive blows to the head have been associated with CTE.
cnn - ( New Window )
Davis Webb tonight
14-20, TD
Also, 6-6 on 3rd down.
MUCH better.
giants have been playing a lot of base and when you are in bas linebackers are in man
Ajr- Since I’m not an expert I go by the eye test. You can tell if a guy looks like he can play or not. Tonight Webb did.
Nice job defense!!!
Blount is a very tough runner.
Our DL has looked pretty good and some solid depth as well, which is good to see.
Nothing that was obvious. Seems like everyone made it out okay.
I was just guilty of that myself
:-(
It's an unfortunate side effect of the sport with how bad injuries are.