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shyster : 8/17/2018 10:22 pm
Enjoyed the NYG QB play tonight.

Elsewhere, three possessions, three scores for Allen vs CLE. Entered game in 2nd quarter.

Bills' fans excited, to say the least. And I suspect everyone who obsessed about 56 vs 58 completion percentage will get instruction in the failing of single factor analysis.

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Posted 1 hour ago

He does look like he has it. By it I mean that ability that can't be measured that makes QB's great.


Posted 58 minutes ago

Beyond the throws, he just looks like a vet out there... Changing the plays at the line, feeling pressure, moving in the pocket. Impressive


Posted 55 minutes ago

I have such a chub rite now with allen


Posted 55 minutes ago

I have not seen such greatness in a long time. So keep him upright.


Posted 47 minutes ago

Thank god Wyoming was terrible or Allen goes #1


Posted 41 minutes ago

I agree. He handled himself professionally. Made plays and was rolling down the field. Unless Nate Peterman is lights out I can not imagine them naming someone else as the starter


Posted 37 minutes ago

He's looking better than Baker. Baker is 2/4 for 0 yards lol.


Posted 36 minutes ago

Allen is just a force on the field.


Posted 32 minutes ago

Heís the guy. Itís impossible not to see




start Allen - ( New Window )
DG is a collasal failure  
Canton : 8/17/2018 10:27 pm : link
Fire the whole front office.

~Half of BBI~
I havenít seen  
cokeduplt : 8/17/2018 10:29 pm : link
Him yet but he was 9-13 for 60 yards they might be going overboard a bit
I Liked Allen Out of the QBs This Year  
OntheRoad : 8/17/2018 10:29 pm : link
but am happy with Barkeley.
I was perplexed by the fact that Shurmur supposedly had him  
BestFeature : 8/17/2018 10:29 pm : link
as his #1 QB. But if he reaches his potential it would be a feather in PS's cap.
He will start now  
dep026 : 8/17/2018 10:30 pm : link
Mccarron suffered hairline fracture in throwing arm tonight.
Also  
cokeduplt : 8/17/2018 10:30 pm : link
The espn home page has a typo that says he 9-30 which made me think everyone was crazy
RE: I havenít seen  
Toth029 : 8/17/2018 10:31 pm : link
In comment 14042333 cokeduplt said:
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Him yet but he was 9-13 for 60 yards they might be going overboard a bit

I would go by the eye test more than stats.

Baker didn't have amazing stats last week either but he looked fantastic.
RE: RE: I havenít seen  
cokeduplt : 8/17/2018 10:34 pm : link
In comment 14042339 Toth029 said:
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In comment 14042333 cokeduplt said:


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Him yet but he was 9-13 for 60 yards they might be going overboard a bit


I would go by the eye test more than stats.

Baker didn't have amazing stats last week either but he looked fantastic.


I understand that but that mustíve been the greatest 60 yards by the way theyíre reacting
Damn good performance from Allen.  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/17/2018 10:34 pm : link
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I'm  
Toth029 : 8/17/2018 10:41 pm : link
Rooting for the kid.

Lots of armchair analysts and crybaby Jalen Ramsey do nothing but crap on the guy when he hasn't been given a real chance.
RE: Also  
ChaChing : 8/17/2018 10:50 pm : link
In comment 14042338 cokeduplt said:
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The espn home page has a typo that says he 9-30 which made me think everyone was crazy

Haha I saw that and thought it must have been a rough one too

I also saw ESPN's Mets v Phils preview for today's game with Asdrubal Cabrera still as the Mets HR / Avg / RBI leader. And therefore for tomorrow's game...
Good for the Bills and their fans  
Hsilwek92 : 8/17/2018 11:22 pm : link
Allen looks good. For their sake, hopefully is isnt the second coming JP Losman.
Come week #1  
RobCarpenter : 8/17/2018 11:56 pm : link
The rookie QBs will come down to Earth. When the D actually has game plans.

Iím watching the Cardinals and Iím sure everyone will go nuts over Rosen after this game too.
Sounds  
AcidTest : 8/17/2018 11:56 pm : link
like another example of fans making way too many conclusions based on a single preseason game. Like on BBI.
RE: Sounds  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/18/2018 12:02 am : link
In comment 14042393 AcidTest said:
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like another example of fans making way too many conclusions based on a single preseason game. Like on BBI.


In that case, should we not be happy about Webb's performance tonight?
RE: I was perplexed by the fact that Shurmur supposedly had him  
GeofromNJ : 8/18/2018 12:03 am : link
In comment 14042335 BestFeature said:
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as his #1 QB. But if he reaches his potential it would be a feather in PS's cap.

Josh Allen was also my #1 QB in this year's draft. He is going to be very, very good. He has a chance to be elite. He has the arm, the mobility, the football savvy, and he loves playing quarterback.
Obviously, it was preseason so we take it with a grain of salt but...  
BurberryManning : 8/18/2018 12:07 am : link
Josh "Prodigy" Allen looked good. His short route accuracy seemed to have improved, which was a trouble spot for a gunslinger that has a tendency to put velocity on his throws. What we know has translated to the NFL is the arm strength, toughness, and more mobility than expected.

Allen's style resembles a mix of Favre and Roethlisberger with respect to the way that he absorbs punishment in the pocket but extends plays and gives his receivers opportunities on seemingly dead routes. Josh will surprise a lot of defensive lineman this year with his evasive ability.

I do think that his accuracy numbers will never reach the Brady stratosphere because his game is predicated on taking deep shots and higher risk throws that will more often than not result in incompletions. In a way, its similar to our own Elisha Nelson 10. As it pertains to winning football games, I think The Prodigy will be successful but I doubt that the quants will be satisfied anytime soon.
RE: I'm  
Big Rick in FL : 8/18/2018 12:16 am : link
In comment 14042347 Toth029 said:
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Rooting for the kid.

Lots of armchair analysts and crybaby Jalen Ramsey do nothing but crap on the guy when he hasn't been given a real chance.


Hasn't been given a real chance? What does that even mean? He's just not a good QB. That could change in the NFL, but it's highly unlikely. He played in a terrible conference and was an average QB at best. Anytime he played a good team he got embarrassed.

He has never had a season where he completed more then 60% of his passes. That goes all the way back to when he playing JV in High School.

Everybody is hyping him up because of his preseason like he isn't playing 2nd & 3rd stringers. Let's wait to see what he does against starters. Bills fans better hope they have another QB available for the regular season. They have the Ravens, Chargers, Vikings, Packers, Titans & Texans in the first 6 weeks. It wouldn't surprise me at all to see him throw 10+ INTs in those first 6 weeks.
if you want to say  
Cenotaph : 8/18/2018 12:22 am : link
that people mocking Allen were wrong to focus too much on completion %...it's probably not the best idea to base the conclusion entirely on 1 preseason game. Just like the people who thought Mayfield was off to a HOF start after 1 preseason game. Not saying Allen won't be good, just that it's 1 preseason game, it's tough to draw any hard conclusion on a guy's career (+ or -).

Just like I'm encouraged by a good showing for Webb tonight. But nor ready to dump Eli and hand over the O. Or declare Mayfield a bust because he had a tough 2nd PS game.

Of course, no one likes the 'moderation' attitude in preseason...we all want to hope our guys will turn out to be HOF'ers....and the guys we didn't like/passed will end up failing in comparison. Looks like Allen should have every chance in BUF, though I don't know about his supporting cast there. looks like we'll get to learn quite a bit about several of the 1st round QB's this year - should see Mayfield/Darnold/Allen play some significant time I'd guess, and Rosen had decent stats today (didn't watch him tho). I'm just hoping Barkley ends up deserving the hype so far, which is a lot to live up to - but he seems like just what our O needs to add balance, along with an improved OL.
Allen gonna be a good one  
Chris : 8/18/2018 12:22 am : link
Turns out, when your QB is constantly under duress and has receivers dropping passes on a regular basis, your completion percentage in going to suffer. Who would have thought?
You  
Toth029 : 8/18/2018 1:03 am : link
Guys basically proved my point. I never was saying I loved his performances this preseason or anything like it. I'm rooting for him based on all the negativity he got by fans and Jalen "he's trash" Ramsey.

Truthfully he should sit a season but based on McCarron's injury, that won't happen. I hope he kicks ass. AFC East could use it.
RE: Allen gonna be a good one  
Gatorade Dunk : 8/18/2018 1:06 am : link
In comment 14042410 Chris said:
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Turns out, when your QB is constantly under duress and has receivers dropping passes on a regular basis, your completion percentage in going to suffer. Who would have thought?

He had fewer drops (by rate and in the aggregate) than all the other top QB prospects, but who's counting?

One game is definitely a sufficient sample size, right?
Obviously just pre-season  
You'reMyBoyBlue!! : 8/18/2018 1:31 am : link
but if you actually watched his college tape instead of just read/regurgitated his numbers, this (incredibly) early success isn't a surprise at all. He's as gifted as any QB prospect I've ever seen.
Itís going to be fun seeing how this QB class  
UberAlias : 8/18/2018 3:48 am : link
Develops.
I believe  
joeinpa : 8/18/2018 5:54 am : link
Several of the quarterbacks taken are going to be pretty good.

Prior to to the draft they were nit picked by the Paulie Dottino s of BBI, some because of their conviction on Barkley, many because of their love for Eli. They wanted no part of a quarterback.

They got their wish and now they lash out at any suggestion that these quarterbacks might be pretty good.

I think many of them believed none of these guys would be special, and the possibility they were wrong become an,.......Oh oh!
Here is a link  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 8/18/2018 7:15 am : link
To every snap vs the Browns. He is still having issues with the underneath routes in the flats and what not, but overall pretty good.
Allen vs. the Browns - ( New Window )
Allen looked really good  
ZogZerg : 8/18/2018 7:38 am : link
That TD pass he had was a great instinctive play.

I think all the "experts" are going to be wrong about him.

Phil Simms loved him.

The Bills got themselves a steel!!
RE: I believe  
Sean : 8/18/2018 7:46 am : link
In comment 14042437 joeinpa said:
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Several of the quarterbacks taken are going to be pretty good.

Prior to to the draft they were nit picked by the Paulie Dottino s of BBI, some because of their conviction on Barkley, many because of their love for Eli. They wanted no part of a quarterback.

They got their wish and now they lash out at any suggestion that these quarterbacks might be pretty good.

I think many of them believed none of these guys would be special, and the possibility they were wrong become an,.......Oh oh!


There is no point dwelling on it at this point. The Giants felt Eli still had some football left & took who they felt was the best player on the board. Hopefully Webb or Lauletta become something, personally Iím intrigued with Lauletta.
RE: I believe  
UConn4523 : 8/18/2018 7:54 am : link
In comment 14042437 joeinpa said:
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Several of the quarterbacks taken are going to be pretty good.

Prior to to the draft they were nit picked by the Paulie Dottino s of BBI, some because of their conviction on Barkley, many because of their love for Eli. They wanted no part of a quarterback.

They got their wish and now they lash out at any suggestion that these quarterbacks might be pretty good.

I think many of them believed none of these guys would be special, and the possibility they were wrong become an,.......Oh oh!


Thatís a pretty dramatic POV. In reality most of us who like the Barkley pick would have been fine if a QB was taken, weíve all said as much. I basically would have been fine with anyone but Nelson at 2.
RE: I havenít seen  
Beer Man : 8/18/2018 8:38 am : link
In comment 14042333 cokeduplt said:
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Him yet but he was 9-13 for 60 yards they might be going overboard a bit
Not if you're a Bills fan.
relax we have Joe Montana  
gtt350 : 8/18/2018 9:25 am : link
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Rooting hard for Allen...  
Chris684 : 8/18/2018 10:52 am : link
I like the kid and wanted him if we went the QB route.

Happy with Barkley and the QBs on our roster currently.
He has  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 8/18/2018 11:06 am : link
Kelvin Benjamin to throw too. Nuff said. Ironically Allen is Cam Newtonish.

FFers might want to take note.
I don't mind admitting  
mrvax : 8/18/2018 12:40 pm : link
that I did not like Allen. Only time will tell about this young QB.
RE: Itís going to be fun seeing how this QB class  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/18/2018 12:41 pm : link
In comment 14042432 UberAlias said:
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Develops.


Agree. Allen looked fantastic last night.
UConn  
joeinpa : 8/18/2018 2:33 pm : link
Go back over the past few weeks and read the vitriol towards any sugggestion that the quarterback might be good from some posters.

Not so sure I m over stating the case
Very early  
KWALL2 : 8/18/2018 4:47 pm : link
But Iíd bet on this QB class. I like the Barkley pick because I want to win now. But he better be very special because we left several excellent QB prospects for other teams.
Theyíre could be  
NikkiMac : 8/18/2018 5:36 pm : link
As many as six starters come out of this draft
RE: UConn  
UConn4523 : 8/18/2018 6:53 pm : link
In comment 14042746 joeinpa said:
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Go back over the past few weeks and read the vitriol towards any sugggestion that the quarterback might be good from some posters.

Not so sure I m over stating the case


Those responses are mostly due to how outrageous the opposition has been. Itís as if the Giants will never have a future in the NFL because of the 2018 draft.
UConn  
joeinpa : 8/19/2018 8:24 am : link
Ok fair enough. But I haven't been one of them. I wanted a quarterback, still think they made mistake, but admitting suggesting they are looking good does not make on an "I told you so guy".

I think the anti quarterbacks crowd either was loyal to Eli or in win now mode. As they must understand quarterback is a more impactful position going forward on so many levels, not the least of which is longevity of career, they justified their desire for Barkley by buying into the nonsense none of these quarterbacks warranythe #2 pick.

I think the possibility they might be wrong about that is unsettling. Really believing they will not be franchise guys is about the only justification for passing on them. (With the exception that Webb might turn out to be as good. )

Even then having two good young quarterbacks is a pretty good argument for taking one anyway.

Nobody....  
Britt in VA : 8/19/2018 9:13 am : link
is "unsettled" about the QB's we didn't take being good. Anybody that didn't want a QB is elated at how Barkley has looked so far.

People made up their minds before the draft which way they wanted the team to go, and seeing QB's perform or not (especially in preseason) is not going to sway anybody's opinion this early or make them "unsettled".

Furthermore, taking Lauletta and seeing him perform really well from the get go, along with the belief that Eli Manning still has a few years left, makes people feel just fine and dandy about where the team sits now.

I keep seeing you say things like people that didn't want a QB are now worried. There have literally been no posts by anybody that didn't want a QB saying that. Wishful thinking on your part.
Wishful thinking meaning....  
Britt in VA : 8/19/2018 9:14 am : link
you hope the people that didn't want a QB now feel the same anxiety you do about the decision.

They don't.
And finally....  
Britt in VA : 8/19/2018 9:15 am : link
no reasonable fan will be willing to have this discussion until we see post Eli life for the Giants.
This is creating...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/19/2018 1:35 pm : link
a strawman argument:

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I think the anti quarterbacks crowd either was loyal to Eli or in win now mode.


I don't think there were more than a handful of people who were vehemently against taking a QB.

Once Barkley was picked and the reasoning behind it was told to fans, it made sense. Basically, the Giants felt Barkley was ranked that much higher than the QB's and that he was worth that pick.

Once people put their support behind Barkley, that isn't being anti-QB, and that's way too often misunderstood.

Heck, I was called anti-QB last week and yet in the lead-up to the draft, I had said the team should pick a QB if they felt one was a franchise QB. And out of the QB's, Darnold was my favorite.

But I don't follow college football too closely and really don't get so involved in the draft that it leads to bias after a pick is made. That's what you see a lot of times. People would rather be right that "their" guy panned out instead of what is best for the team.
joeinpa  
UConn4523 : 8/19/2018 1:38 pm : link
seems like you are creating an argument just for the sake of it. You are taking a very black and white stance on something the majority of this board has been in a gray ears with. Donít really know what else to say at this point other than I wanted a QB early on in the the process and warmed up to Barkley. There will be other drafts, shocking I know.
Area  
UConn4523 : 8/19/2018 1:39 pm : link
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UConn  
joeinpa : 8/19/2018 3:25 pm : link
Just sharing an opinion my friend. Maybe I m wrong. Guess I m reading too much into the negative comments I often read when something positive is stated here a ot one of these quarterbacks
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