I know he’s here for locker room purposes, but they shouldn’t take the ball away from Saquon or Gallman. It’s really a head scratcher that he is on the team.
I’m starting to doubt he could even play in the short yardage role.
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The offensive line takes blame as well. I’m not saying Stewart is decent, but when 5 guys are in the backfield, nobody is going to get positive yards. People should be concerned with other positions, like RT. Flowers is complete garbage and will get someone killed.
In camp, he was with the ones or twos and clearly ahead of Gallman on the depth chart. He’s been ahead in preseason too I believe. Obviously that could change but the guy has been prominent in the offfense this far.
In camp, he was with the ones or twos and clearly ahead of Gallman on the depth chart. He’s been ahead in preseason too I believe. Obviously that could change but the guy has been prominent in the offfense this far.
Oh I know it’s not just for Locker tom purposes, but he should have to earn his spot just like everyone else. So far he hasn’t shown ability to do anything with the 1s besides pass blocking.
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In camp, he was with the ones or twos and clearly ahead of Gallman on the depth chart. He’s been ahead in preseason too I believe. Obviously that could change but the guy has been prominent in the offfense this far.
Oh I know it’s not just for Locker tom purposes, but he should have to earn his spot just like everyone else. So far he hasn’t shown ability to do anything with the 1s besides pass blocking.
The question of how much value should be assigned to locker room leadership/intangibles is a variable that’s hard to determine, but it’s something I think was really needed after last year’s debacle.
No argument that so far Stewart looks like he doesn’t offer much on the field, and everyone citing the overpay is making a fair point too.
But look at it from this perspective - what’s one thing we can pretty much all agree on after 2 preseason games?
I’d say it’s our other 4 young RBs...Saquon, Gallman, Simmons, Martin, have all looked very good out there. I haven’t watched last night yet, but overall we’ve seen/heard good runs, no major mistakes like fumbles, catching the ball out of the backfield well, etc.
Could be all coaching + talent...but also could it in some way be due to having Stewart as the leader in the RB room, teaching them how to prepare, practice, watch film?
I don’t mean to lead the Stewart fan club...just thinking he may be contributing in ways we don’t see.
His dead cap money doesn't matter nor will keep keep him on the team Â
How many times has it been explained here. Dead money is a sunk cost and here whether he stays or goes. If he's cut it opens 475K in cap space. That's not a lot but it's enough to clear the way for his release if they want to do that.
Stewart was one of the top backs in the league last year against stacked defenses which tells me he was brought in to help in short yardage goal line situations. I believe that with Shurmur running 2 and sometimes 3 TE sets and actually using a fullback to lead block, something McAdoo was clueless about will only help Stewart.
The OL needs time to gel.. that will help Stewart as well.
Stewart was also brought in to be a veteran presence for the very very young in the NFL running back room, and it cannot be ignored that he is also very familiar with Mike Shula and his run concepts, so he will help the young ones..
Now that being said.. I think he is the 4th best running back on the team right now and I would not be shocked if he doesnt make the final cut..
to speculate but Simmons and Martin have looked like keepers so far. Would be a nice situation to have if they work out. Young fresh legs to free up Barkley as another receiver, and this offense could be lethal.
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In camp, he was with the ones or twos and clearly ahead of Gallman on the depth chart. He’s been ahead in preseason too I believe. Obviously that could change but the guy has been prominent in the offfense this far.
Oh I know it’s not just for Locker tom purposes, but he should have to earn his spot just like everyone else. So far he hasn’t shown ability to do anything with the 1s besides pass blocking.
Not sure why its not clear you and others that Stewart was signed to be the short yardage back, also he protects Barkley/Gallman from taking an early season beating.
He's a veteran who has tons of experience, who can mentor theirs alot of value there
but he can contribute to this team. He is a guy who grinds and gets better with more contact. He fought for some yards last night when he should have gotten nothing. He will be a short yardage, goaline back that can take some hits running out the clock late.
The problem is Simmons and Martin can both play AND they play specials. Now Shurmur did say weeks ago he will keep the best 53 regardless of position so we will see.
Stewart was one of the top backs in the league last year against stacked defenses which tells me he was brought in to help in short yardage goal line situations. I believe that with Shurmur running 2 and sometimes 3 TE sets and actually using a fullback to lead block, something McAdoo was clueless about will only help Stewart.
The OL needs time to gel.. that will help Stewart as well.
Stewart was also brought in to be a veteran presence for the very very young in the NFL running back room, and it cannot be ignored that he is also very familiar with Mike Shula and his run concepts, so he will help the young ones..
Now that being said.. I think he is the 4th best running back on the team right now and I would not be shocked if he doesnt make the final cut..
The reality is Stewart is costing starter money against the cap this year (17th most among RBs in the NFL). I personally don't believe he would have caught on with another NFL team for more than the true minimum.
He played primarily as 1st and 2nd down back last year and was a bad player. His 3rd/4th and short yardage numbers were OK not great. I will re-take a look and post later but his situational numbers were just a little better than Darkwa in short yardage and about even on 3rd/4th down from what I remember. He wasn't a specialist by any means.
I don't think Gettleman has made a huge mistake, but it's the kind of mistake you can't pile up. Overpaying for bad players even on short deals isn't an investment or solution.
Stewart was a bad signing. They gave a 31 year old, unproductive, running back, who was released by his former team, 6.9MM for two years. In contrast if you watched Blount last night you saw a guy who can still get the tough yards and runs hard, and the Lions signed him for 4.5MM.
Would hurt my feelings if they cut Stewart outright and let the young guys, who have looked excellent so far, take over.
After last year, I buy into the lockerroom thing. If he's a respected veteran that young players will listen too, I'm okay with him being overpaid in a marginal role.
I thought I heard in the last preseason game against the Browns the announcers talking about some kind of history between Barkley and RB R Martin something about scholarships does anybody know what they were talking about ?
Younger more productive RB's that we could have had this off-season for the same or less amount of money. The Stewart signing was just a reach on the part of Gettleman and Shula to get their guy in here from Carolina. He provides nothing that Orlenes Darkwa couldnt have provided at a much lower cost.
Obvious Stewart was brought in for his leadership and maturity. Plus his familiarity with Shula. It's no surprise. I don't see him getting cut, but that shouldn't stop them from keeping Martin too.
Obvious Stewart was brought in for his leadership and maturity. Plus his familiarity with Shula. It's no surprise. I don't see him getting cut, but that shouldn't stop them from keeping Martin too.
There are roster limitations to consider, especially if you're keeping 3 QBs and we already know they're paper thin in the secondary.
After last year, I buy into the lockerroom thing. If he's a respected veteran that young players will listen too, I'm okay with him being overpaid in a marginal role.
There are plenty of veterans on this team who were brought in to fill that role.
The question you should be asking is, are you okay with him being overpaid for a marginal role at the expense of other areas on the roster?
Stewart is not just here for short yardage and leadership. He has experience in blocking pass rushers.
When you look at Saquon, Gallman, Simmons, Martin, you have 3 rookies and a second year player (Gallman). It's not like the team has a ton of experienced pass blockers in the running game. Defensive Coordinators will try and take advantage of that.
Why is that important? This team needs to keep Eli upright...he goes down, the season likely goes down. Stewart is likely overpaid, but if he has any gas left in the tank, he'll help.
I'm not going to argue with people on whether he's a respected leader or not, I don't know and you don't know. The coaches do though. If he is bringing that intangible value to the team, then he is worth his price tag, even in a short yardage/#3 RB role. We had a toxic lockerroom last year, I'm okay with aggressively trying to turn that around this year. Once a better culture is established, then sure we can focus more on the obvious.
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In camp, he was with the ones or twos and clearly ahead of Gallman on the depth chart. He’s been ahead in preseason too I believe. Obviously that could change but the guy has been prominent in the offfense this far.
Oh I know it’s not just for Locker tom purposes, but he should have to earn his spot just like everyone else. So far he hasn’t shown ability to do anything with the 1s besides pass blocking.
My perspective is Gettleman thinks the Giants are closer to competitive than they are.
A really good team can be topped off with older depth that can step in for a small period of time and decrease the chances of mistakes. And at the heart of the support of Stewart I read he's not going to make mistakes.
But when you're a bad team, which I believe the Giants to be, I would prefer the focus be on getting younger, talented players the experience in the film room, on the practice field and in the game. That's how you build future contributers and leaders.
That means there will be more mistakes -- that is true, and Barkley, Gallman and the cast of lesser players will make more mistakes than Stewart. But they benifit from them, as does the team as an investment.
We'll see who's right. I absolutely hope Gettleman is. I hope Manning has a renaissance, the oline miraculously comes together, the light comes on for the underachievers at WR depth, etc.
If that happens having Stewart provides some value. I just can't get to a place where I believe it will.
Stewart is not just here for short yardage and leadership. He has experience in blocking pass rushers.
When you look at Saquon, Gallman, Simmons, Martin, you have 3 rookies and a second year player (Gallman). It's not like the team has a ton of experienced pass blockers in the running game. Defensive Coordinators will try and take advantage of that.
Well, he was the first one to give up a sack in pass protection.
but I'm mostly with the crowd on this one. Although I don't see in Simmons as a running back what the rest of you guys do. Martin, on the other hand, is a total keeper and I will be pissed if he doesn't make the team and some other squad scoops him up.
He’s definitely not a back up at this point in his career. I’d drop him down to #3 ahead of Martin. I’d keep 4 RBs on the roster and nix the FB. I haven’t seen much from Smith in pre-season other then a few catches and one block and not sure how valuable a FB is in this scheme anyway. Stewart has some value as a blocker and short yardage guy, but I don’t think he should be the back up to Barkley. Gallman clearly should be given that role and I like Martin a lot too, but he’d be an emergency guy and probably inactive on game days.
...he may well be but you can't reaxch that conclusion froM intelligently on anything that happened Fruday night. The OL run blocked terribly for him. There was penetration and he was dead to rights on almost every touvh he had. Halapio is awful and Jones needs to move up the depth chart.
If lucky, we may see "flashes" of the old Stewart.....I just doubt that he can consistently deliver when asked to...
But who knows? It's only preseason.....he has his guaranteed money for this year, and has to play well if he wants a contract next year...
The offensive line takes blame as well. I’m not saying Stewart is decent, but when 5 guys are in the backfield, nobody is going to get positive yards. People should be concerned with other positions, like RT. Flowers is complete garbage and will get someone killed.
yes because that was his fault
Oh I know it’s not just for Locker tom purposes, but he should have to earn his spot just like everyone else. So far he hasn’t shown ability to do anything with the 1s besides pass blocking.
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In camp, he was with the ones or twos and clearly ahead of Gallman on the depth chart. He’s been ahead in preseason too I believe. Obviously that could change but the guy has been prominent in the offfense this far.
Oh I know it’s not just for Locker tom purposes, but he should have to earn his spot just like everyone else. So far he hasn’t shown ability to do anything with the 1s besides pass blocking.
Patience. At worst, he’s what you assert
No argument that so far Stewart looks like he doesn’t offer much on the field, and everyone citing the overpay is making a fair point too.
But look at it from this perspective - what’s one thing we can pretty much all agree on after 2 preseason games?
I’d say it’s our other 4 young RBs...Saquon, Gallman, Simmons, Martin, have all looked very good out there. I haven’t watched last night yet, but overall we’ve seen/heard good runs, no major mistakes like fumbles, catching the ball out of the backfield well, etc.
Could be all coaching + talent...but also could it in some way be due to having Stewart as the leader in the RB room, teaching them how to prepare, practice, watch film?
I don’t mean to lead the Stewart fan club...just thinking he may be contributing in ways we don’t see.
To be fair if he was two yards quicker he'd have lost 3 yards, their entire D line got through the oline on that play
The OL needs time to gel.. that will help Stewart as well.
Stewart was also brought in to be a veteran presence for the very very young in the NFL running back room, and it cannot be ignored that he is also very familiar with Mike Shula and his run concepts, so he will help the young ones..
Now that being said.. I think he is the 4th best running back on the team right now and I would not be shocked if he doesnt make the final cut..
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In camp, he was with the ones or twos and clearly ahead of Gallman on the depth chart. He’s been ahead in preseason too I believe. Obviously that could change but the guy has been prominent in the offfense this far.
Oh I know it’s not just for Locker tom purposes, but he should have to earn his spot just like everyone else. So far he hasn’t shown ability to do anything with the 1s besides pass blocking.
Not sure why its not clear you and others that Stewart was signed to be the short yardage back, also he protects Barkley/Gallman from taking an early season beating.
He's a veteran who has tons of experience, who can mentor theirs alot of value there
He will make the roster, likely the #3 RB as Gallman is killing it.
This post is dead on, Stewart is there primarily as a mentor and to contribute.
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The OL needs time to gel.. that will help Stewart as well.
Stewart was also brought in to be a veteran presence for the very very young in the NFL running back room, and it cannot be ignored that he is also very familiar with Mike Shula and his run concepts, so he will help the young ones..
Now that being said.. I think he is the 4th best running back on the team right now and I would not be shocked if he doesnt make the final cut..
If we truly needed what he brings...it would have been available on Sept 1.
Agreed. Even if you wanted him as a locker room guy, no one else would have paid him over vet min.
At best he's here to take some wear and tear from SB, I find it appalling he'd in on long downs, hopefully something we don't see in a real game.
He played primarily as 1st and 2nd down back last year and was a bad player. His 3rd/4th and short yardage numbers were OK not great. I will re-take a look and post later but his situational numbers were just a little better than Darkwa in short yardage and about even on 3rd/4th down from what I remember. He wasn't a specialist by any means.
I don't think Gettleman has made a huge mistake, but it's the kind of mistake you can't pile up. Overpaying for bad players even on short deals isn't an investment or solution.
Would hurt my feelings if they cut Stewart outright and let the young guys, who have looked excellent so far, take over.
Wether that be cut Stewart or cut Shane Smith .....
I see no need for FB on this team unless he’s like Tom Rathman or something
There are roster limitations to consider, especially if you're keeping 3 QBs and we already know they're paper thin in the secondary.
There are plenty of veterans on this team who were brought in to fill that role.
The question you should be asking is, are you okay with him being overpaid for a marginal role at the expense of other areas on the roster?
It’s still early so I’m not going to form a judgment on Stewert yet . But the notion you can lead even if you can’t play is completely wrong
When you look at Saquon, Gallman, Simmons, Martin, you have 3 rookies and a second year player (Gallman). It's not like the team has a ton of experienced pass blockers in the running game. Defensive Coordinators will try and take advantage of that.
Why is that important? This team needs to keep Eli upright...he goes down, the season likely goes down. Stewart is likely overpaid, but if he has any gas left in the tank, he'll help.
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In camp, he was with the ones or twos and clearly ahead of Gallman on the depth chart. He’s been ahead in preseason too I believe. Obviously that could change but the guy has been prominent in the offfense this far.
Oh I know it’s not just for Locker tom purposes, but he should have to earn his spot just like everyone else. So far he hasn’t shown ability to do anything with the 1s besides pass blocking.
A really good team can be topped off with older depth that can step in for a small period of time and decrease the chances of mistakes. And at the heart of the support of Stewart I read he's not going to make mistakes.
But when you're a bad team, which I believe the Giants to be, I would prefer the focus be on getting younger, talented players the experience in the film room, on the practice field and in the game. That's how you build future contributers and leaders.
That means there will be more mistakes -- that is true, and Barkley, Gallman and the cast of lesser players will make more mistakes than Stewart. But they benifit from them, as does the team as an investment.
We'll see who's right. I absolutely hope Gettleman is. I hope Manning has a renaissance, the oline miraculously comes together, the light comes on for the underachievers at WR depth, etc.
If that happens having Stewart provides some value. I just can't get to a place where I believe it will.
When you look at Saquon, Gallman, Simmons, Martin, you have 3 rookies and a second year player (Gallman). It's not like the team has a ton of experienced pass blockers in the running game. Defensive Coordinators will try and take advantage of that.
Well, he was the first one to give up a sack in pass protection.
I think Christian is correct, and explains other moves Gettleman has made as well.