NGT: Antonio Brown or Alvin Kamara

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I’ve seen the sophomore slump too many times to take Kamara over him.

I think there's little chance Kamara can keep up the pace he had last year (ypc and TD's). Even with a bump in usage, it's unlikely he'll approach 6 ypc or so like last year, or get in the end zone as often (on a NO team that has several weapons and spreads the ball around). Plus Ingram still there to prevent him from getting heavy RB usage. Plus Brown has a great track record of putting up #s.

You are unfortunately right at the point where it seems like the real top RBs drop off this year. Guys will come out of that 2nd tier, but it's harder to guess who, especially with 2 weeks left in PS (injuries/play may change things a bit). There's a bunch of guys there who may or may not repeat/surpass last years success.

pick 6th, between kamara or barkley, but if brown drops i am taking him and not thinking twice...

go back and forth between kamara and barkley

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Kamara is in line for a busy workload with the Ingram suspension. Gets a ton of usage in the passing game. The concerns are the touches once Ingram comes back and the potential regression w TDs/big plays.

Brown is probably the safest WR in the draft with an elite ceiling. The potential concerns are the nagging injuries in preseason, Ben’s terrible home/road splits, and Brown’s sensitivity to matchups.

Ultimately it depends on how you like to build your teams and what you think will be around when it comes back to you. Personally, I try to avoid riskier plays early, and Brown seems safer with a slightly less ceiling.

In comment 14042940 WillVAB said:

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Kamara is in line for a busy workload with the Ingram suspension. Gets a ton of usage in the passing game. The concerns are the touches once Ingram comes back and the potential regression w TDs/big plays. Brown is probably the safest WR in the draft with an elite ceiling. The potential concerns are the nagging injuries in preseason, Ben’s terrible home/road splits, and Brown’s sensitivity to matchups. Ultimately it depends on how you like to build your teams and what you think will be around when it comes back to you. Personally, I try to avoid riskier plays early, and Brown seems safer with a slightly less ceiling.

Yeah I've done a few mock drafts the past couple days, and I'm happier with my team as a whole after the first 4 rounds when I take AB, just how it seems to work out. Last one I did my first four picks were AB, McCaffrey, Kelce and Royce Freeman.

In comment 14042946 nyjuggernaut2 said:

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In comment 14042940 WillVAB said: Quote: Kamara is in line for a busy workload with the Ingram suspension. Gets a ton of usage in the passing game. The concerns are the touches once Ingram comes back and the potential regression w TDs/big plays. Brown is probably the safest WR in the draft with an elite ceiling. The potential concerns are the nagging injuries in preseason, Ben’s terrible home/road splits, and Brown’s sensitivity to matchups. Ultimately it depends on how you like to build your teams and what you think will be around when it comes back to you. Personally, I try to avoid riskier plays early, and Brown seems safer with a slightly less ceiling. Yeah I've done a few mock drafts the past couple days, and I'm happier with my team as a whole after the first 4 rounds when I take AB, just how it seems to work out. Last one I did my first four picks were AB, McCaffrey, Kelce and Royce Freeman.

you went TE with your 3rd pick??

We have a keeper league, and I drafted Kamara in the 10th round. I'm obviously keeping him, but he counts as a pick 2 rounds higher. He is my 8th round pick this year. My 9th is Goff, and my 10th is Evan Engram.

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and I'd have to take Brown based on his track record. Tell you what, the Saints really hit a home run when they took Kamara in the 3rd round.

for me. Kamara catches no one by surprise this year. Steelers tell you Brown will get 15 targets a game and you still can't stop him. Not that teams will stop Kamara, but who knows.

In comment 14042968 mrvax said:

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and I'd have to take Brown based on his track record. Tell you what, the Saints really hit a home run when they took Kamara in the 3rd round.

Matt ... true but the other piece here is the Saints used him effectively. He could have been drafted by 20 other teams and probably would have not had half of the success that he had last year.

Do not expect him to repeat what you saw last year. I think he averaged over 6 yards per carry.

I personally value RB more even in PPR. I think that there is a big difference in RB tiers than you would see in the 2nd and 3rd round.

I have the 2nd pick in PPR. Do I take the leftover of Bell/Girley? Or entertain Zeke or Johnson?

In comment 14042982 Reeses Pieces said:

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I personally value RB more even in PPR. I think that there is a big difference in RB tiers than you would see in the 2nd and 3rd round. I have the 2nd pick in PPR. Do I take the leftover of Bell/Girley? Or entertain Zeke or Johnson?

Bell/Gurley IMO.

On Big Ben. And he always seems to get hurt, I’d play it safe take Kamara

In comment 14042982 Reeses Pieces said:

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I personally value RB more even in PPR. I think that there is a big difference in RB tiers than you would see in the 2nd and 3rd round. I have the 2nd pick in PPR. Do I take the leftover of Bell/Girley? Or entertain Zeke or Johnson?

I think it’s worse for WRs. It starts getting dicey with Hilton and he’s going pretty high. At RB at least there’s plenty of rookies with a late ADP who project to get volume or pass catching backs who provide some value even if they don’t get the carries.

Also I think you’ll see a lot of drafters go RB-RB early and look to fill out the rest of their starters, pushing value down at the RB position.

for one I don't think anyone drafts Barkley over Brown let alone over Kamara. Brown is a ppr stud and for sure one of the most constant player on the board. At six you will not even have to worry Brown will be off the board.

In comment 14043012 Mike Graves said:

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On Big Ben. And he always seems to get hurt, I’d play it safe take Kamara

This is most likely the funniest comment in the entire thread. Taking Kamara is playing it "safe"? Really? Brown has been one of the surest things when it comes to fantasy. Your comment about Ben always getting hurt is not wrong, but Brown still basically is at the top in fantasy production regardless. Meanwhile, you have Kamara who had a great season last year. ONE year where history (and football experts) would tell you that he cannot replicate that kind of production.

I end up liking my team a lot better when I take an RB there. WR depth is very deep this year, lots of good WRs will be available when it comes back around (Allen, Green, Adams, etc).

I prefer Melvin Gordon at 6 out of all the other RBs after the top handful.

I go barkley, ab, kamara in that order.
Barkley is going to touch the rock 300 times.

Did I miss something ? When did Antonio brown slip to anything below the best FF player alive?

there’s a lot of streaky, average WRs and I wouldn’t call that deep. RBs can also be deep in the exact same way, only they become ever more valuable when the injuries start piling up.

Plenty of mid round RB talent is there, and they are 1 injury away from becoming a 1st round talent; the same can’t be said for WR injuries outside of a handful of guys.

While there might be more quality WRs in the talent pool you might have to start 3 vs 2 RBs.

Brown is absurdly productive. He’s the clear cut number one FF going and has been for 4-5 straight seasons. At their respective best, Brown is better than Kamara.

Melvin Gordon at 6...in for a HUGE year

This year seems a lot of variability in the top 8 or so.

AB is a just a slam dunk fantasy player you could justify taking him 1 overall. I would take him in if those are the first five picks.

I have kamara and Melvin very close but have been going back and forth. 1 has insane volume and poor efficiency the other has low volume (compared to the rest of the first rounders) but insane efficiency.

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Although I have little confidence in Ben staying healthy I have complete confidence in AB producing in spite of that just look at his track record.

Also agree with Ucon wr is not very deep. After the Detroit receivers go off the board I generally don’t like the remaining options for the starting wr2 spot. There’s a lot of average streaky options but I want those guys on my bench.

i feel you have to rb-wr in the first 2 rounds...

Here's a question...

I have 3rd pick in my 12 team PPR league. I am kind of hoping Gurley/Bell go 1-2 because I really want DJ there. Something about Bell just worries me this year. He's racked up a lot of mileage and I'm not as confident in him this year as I've been in years past.

Say Gurley/DJ go 1-2. Crazy to consider Elliott/Barkley/Kamara over Bell?

It's funny, I've never owned Le'Veon in any of my leagues. Literally just never in a position to draft him. This is a year where I might be and I'm not even sure I want him.

but other than having that crystal ball Bell is just the far better player and you’d be lucky to get him at 3. He’s the best offensive weapon in the game right now and he’s playing for a huge contract.

or Barkley over Bell would be crazy. Sure, you can look back after the fact and maybe it works out, 2nd guessing can always work out, but not a chance I'd take either over Bell at #3 this year.

I'd consider AB though at #3 in a 12-team PPR.

I guess I'm overthinking it.

I think PIT knows he's not going to be back so they're probably just going to run him into the ground - but since he's playing for a new deal, he has his own incentive.

It's actually a perfect scenario for fantasy but I can't help but think he's not going to hold up for some reason. I could see DJ having a better year.

in my 12 team league, however it's 0.5 PPR. I'm considering Zeke over DJ based on that format. Am I crazy? Also for round 2, how would you rank Gronk, Evans, & Hilton?