Giants want an explanation on Herzlich

on why Herzlich is still making this 53-man roster.

He is a fabulous inspiring human being.

But he was run over numerous times in the 3QTR by backup players on Detroit, he missed an easy tackle on punt return coverage when he had the Detroit returner dead-to-rights, and he looked lost in pass protection whether he had to play zone or pick up the RB in the flat.

Please retire and be one of our assistant coaches...and lets cut Jonathan Stewart so we can really get a guy that is inspiring but is off the cap...

called two helmet penalties that weren't penalties and let several go that actually were.

Several ballcarriers lowered their heads to initiate contact, while Herz actually went facemask to facemask (with the offensive player initiating the contact).

The Detroit penalty later in the game was equally as bad. Guy didn't lead with the helmet.

The subjectivity is going to cause a lot of controversy this year, especially since you can't use replay to overturn them.

only during the regular season to send the message. Then when the regular season starts and moves along it will die on the vine and fade into the ebbs/flows of the game.

Similar to how the defensive secondary penalties were all the rage a few pre-seasons ago and then normalized when the real season started. Except for Eli Apple of course...

my bad

In comment 14043024 Jimmy Googs said:

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my bad

Jimmy, you could be right. In any case, with the change in rules, the NFL should have the obligation of showing teams exactly why the flag was thrown so they can teach their players what to avoid.

I'd like to see the ref who tossed the flag explain to their boss exactly why they signaled a penalty. Then allow the fan base to see what happened.

What made me laugh was after Herzlich was called for that, shortly thereafter when they went to a commercial, I put on the Miami/Panther game. The Panther QB threw a ball near the goal line and the safety and cornerback were near the receiver. The safety was SLIGHTLY leading with his head and he ball bounced off of his helmet and into the arms of his cornerback. NO CALL WAS MADE. I think this rule will be like the 2001 NFC Championship game Tampa Bay catch rule. It's scientifically impossible for two players to come in contact with their helmets not touching while engaged. Also, what about the lineman when the ball is snapped.....all you hear is the clacking of the helmets.

In comment 14043014 Jimmy Googs said:

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he looked lost in pass protection

Well, he most certainly would not know what to do with that.

It will be rare to see this penalty called inside the box. That Herzlich call was ridiculous.

NFL did say it would be emphasized during the preseason

pass coverage

Would like to see the rule just go away but the announcers won’t let that happen either

during preseason to try and change behavior for the regular season.

The NFL wants players to "see what they hit" and to stop leading with the helmets because on too many occasions, defensive players have used helmets as a weapon.

Behavior changes when incentives and disincentives change. The is the best way the NFL can think of to change the behavior. It's ugly and frustrating at first, but hopefully, the learning curve smoothes out.

More likely, the refs will just start swallowing their whistles as people don't want to watch flags all day (similar to what happens when basketball officiating tries to change things).

is pretty simple: they called the wrong team for the penalty.

There actually was a penalty on that play - it was the RB illegal launching his helmet into Herzlich's jaw. The penalty was on the Lions but the Giants got called for it. Not the first time it's happened either.

over the new rule - he loves it. I do not think it is going away.
What should be done is a review, like how targeting is done in NCAA. If an official makes that call, it must be reviewed. It is supposed to be called when players are bent over with their bodies parallel to the ground, if I understand the wording.

A few crappy calls and people will be turning TVs off.

In comment 14043014 Jimmy Googs said:

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on why Herzlich is still making this 53-man roster. He is a fabulous inspiring human being. But he was run over numerous times in the 3QTR by backup players on Detroit, he missed an easy tackle on punt return coverage when he had the Detroit returner dead-to-rights, and he looked lost in pass protection whether he had to play zone or pick up the RB in the flat. Please retire and be one of our assistant coaches...and lets cut Jonathan Stewart so we can really get a guy that is inspiring but is off the cap...

I don't think he makes it. Coughlin had a special place for him. Shurmur will not.
BTW, your description actually fits Ogletree better than Herz - missed tackles, bad in coverage, etc. Not very happy with what I've seen from him for $10 mill/yr.

that closely.

Not to give him a pass as he was brain-dead there watching Njoku run by him. But matchups against speedy TEs and a guy like Theo Riddick are not going to go well for lots of linebackers in the league.

Riddick is at the top of the list of pass-catching RBs over the past few years out of the backfield.

Safeties need to be aware to provide LBs some support on both types...

...had it right. This should be a reviewable play. It lends itself to video review very well and mistakes could be easily fixed in most cases. The ref not only got it wrong penalizing Herzlich(who I agree should be long gone), he got it bacwards. The Lions RB actually committed the foul.

In comment 14043162 Torrag said:

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...had it right. This should be a reviewable play. It lends itself to video review very well and mistakes could be easily fixed in most cases. The ref not only got it wrong penalizing Herzlich(who I agree should be long gone), he got it backwards. The Lions RB actually committed the foul.

This is correct - the RB projected himself into Herzlich's facemask, not the other way around.

Especially after Super Bowl 52. Who wastes their times aging over garbage officiating?

is a terrible example to use for bad officiating.

But par for the course for shitty takes.

- illegal formation call on the Foles special, if it doesn't matter and it's OK with a ref who was incorrect, why enforce it? Gift number one. The play never should've been ran, just because the ref OK'd it doesn't permit that play being ran with that ILLEGAL formation.

- Clement CLEARLY was NOT a touchdown. I don't want to hear how that could be looked at as a touchdown because you're just dumb if you argue that point. If you think that garbage was a touchdown you are either high or just trying to sound as you're every other modern football fan proving you are polished, unbiased and well, when it goes so far you are actually start arguing (in a biased means) for your rivals teams. Gift number two.

-The Eagles offensive line was grabbing and getting away with blatant holding all game long. But yep it was earned.

-Ertz I said Ok that was a touchdown

there were no more bad calls in last year's game than in previous years.

By the letter of the law, all the controversial calls were correct. The problem shouldn't be with the calls, but with the rules.

In comment 14043166 section125 said:

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In comment 14043162 Torrag said: Quote: ...had it right. This should be a reviewable play. It lends itself to video review very well and mistakes could be easily fixed in most cases. The ref not only got it wrong penalizing Herzlich(who I agree should be long gone), he got it backwards. The Lions RB actually committed the foul. This is correct - the RB projected himself into Herzlich's facemask, not the other way around.

yep...

Without question you know the refs do not want to be the center of attention so players are often given the "benefit of the doubt" versus refs throwing too many flags which the higher volume of viewers do not want see for such a high profile game.

So does that mean the players get away with what they can on both sides? If they do, then its balanced.

Not sure how you describe the "phantom" Boothe holding call versus Wilfork though in our last Super Bowl? Maybe the refs were worried Giants were about to blow out the Pats and they wanted to level the playing field.

One of the more silly calls i have ever seen...

I agree with your post 100% I always thought that about that call

referees will make this season look like a Madden game. The middle of the field will be wide open. Even experienced refs are having trouble with the new rule.

They called a crack back penalty on what looked like a clean block to me.

I don't see how that was a penalty but the Jarvis Landry clear crack back on the Bills CB wasn't.