heard this comparison a few times. Must say their mechanics look awfully similar. Slight hitch in the delivery. Big arm. Prone to bad decision making (at least it appears that way in the very very small sample size)
If Webb is basically that. Would you sign up for that as the QB for the next 5-6 years?
The best in-pocket mobility was that of Dan Marino—- Brady, Eli have it—- there you go.... 3 guys who are generally regarded as somewhat immobile, but they can move and be ready to throw
That was the missing piece for Davis in the first game... he looked better Friday, and he made some great throws
In Collins’ defense, I think many QB’s would have felt the same way. That being said, I wonder how Eli would have done in that SB. I think it would have been a closer game at the very least because Eli always seems unfazed by the competition.
His career high in TDs was 22. He only threw 20 TDs just 3 times. Managed 4000 yards just once. Career high in QB rating was 85 and only hit 80 4 times.
Only made the playoffs 4 times in 14 seasons. Never went to playoffs back to back seasons.
He was on 6 teams and never stuck with a team more than 5 years.
And Collins was a lot more talented than Webb. There is a reason Collins was drafted #5 overall and Webb went in the 3rd round.
His career high in TDs was 22. He only threw 20 TDs just 3 times. Managed 4000 yards just once. Career high in QB rating was 85 and only hit 80 4 times.
Only made the playoffs 4 times in 14 seasons. Never went to playoffs back to back seasons.
He was on 6 teams and never stuck with a team more than 5 years.
And Collins was a lot more talented than Webb. There is a reason Collins was drafted #5 overall and Webb went in the 3rd round.
Was Jamarcus Russell more talented than Tom Brady?
His career high in TDs was 22. He only threw 20 TDs just 3 times. Managed 4000 yards just once. Career high in QB rating was 85 and only hit 80 4 times.
Only made the playoffs 4 times in 14 seasons. Never went to playoffs back to back seasons.
He was on 6 teams and never stuck with a team more than 5 years.
And Collins was a lot more talented than Webb. There is a reason Collins was drafted #5 overall and Webb went in the 3rd round.
Not good enough to win with?
You do remember the 2000 NFC Championship game against the Vikings, riiiiiiiight?...
I don't think many NFC QBs that year were going to be able to do much of anything against that Ravens D. Talk about Mission Impossible. Joe freakin Montana would've been hard pressed to have a good game
If anybody remembers the QB rating was like the worst ever or something to that effect
The what round he was drafted in is really tired. He was drafted in the third because he was a developmental QB and would likely take a couple of years on the bench before he was ready to play. He wasn't drafted in the third because he couldn't play. Teams don't draft guys that they don't think can play. He is making progress. Whether he gets there is an open question.
I m still very impressed with Darnold and Allen, And would be thrilled if either were a Giant.
I was also one of those guys discouraged by Webb s previous performance. I m happy Eli has this year, but really enjoy the excitement of starting a new era with a young quarterback.
Webb showed some promise, certainly as impressive as what we ve seen by the other guys, so for this fan, Friday was a big deal.
Agreed. Davis Webb was against the Cleveland D in preseason game 1.
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and we knew we couldn't win with him after that.
In Collins’ defense, I think many QB’s would have felt the same way. That being said, I wonder how Eli would have done in that SB. I think it would have been a closer game at the very least because Eli always seems unfazed by the competition.
An you wonder why Eli gets shit at times.....So Eli would have made that game closer because he is unfazed...He has looked pretty dammed fazed the last few years....Please stop
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Did Eli play like that in SF?
Agreed. Davis Webb was against the Cleveland D in preseason game 1.
Webb was against the #1 Detroit D as well, which is likely a better D than Cleveland. I am hopeful the first game was just nerves.
After the Eli trade, he wanted out and asked to traded.
Poorly thrown ball Latimer made a great catch.
Had gallman wide open on the option route and threw it behind him and gallman made a nice adjustment. People act like Webb was flawless he had 2 nice throws and the rest were average. He didn’t dominate he just played much better in game 2 then 1. Let’s relax with Webb. I’m more excited for lauletta who consistently gets the back out quick and is very accurate. Threw some nice timing routes as well.
Poorly thrown ball Latimer made a great catch.
Had gallman wide open on the option route and threw it behind him and gallman made a nice adjustment. People act like Webb was flawless he had 2 nice throws and the rest were average. He didn’t dominate he just played much better in game 2 then 1. Let’s relax with Webb. I’m more excited for lauletta who consistently gets the back out quick and is very accurate. Threw some nice timing routes as well.
Good lord. Not one single person has said Webb was flawless. And Lauletta is getting just as much praise as Webb and in case you missed it, he left some plays on the field as well.
Why does it have to be one or the other? Why can’t we be a bit happy with both of them? Do we have to choose sides?
Collins took his high school team to a state championship. His college team to national championship.
And the Giants to a Super Bowl.
He was inconsistent. He was a jerk who embarrassed his franchise. But he was plenty good enough to win with as his record demonstrates.
If anybody remembers the QB rating was like the worst ever or something to that effect
Eli's rating in his 4th start was 0.0 and he was replaced by Warner in the 2nd half. Manning still started the next game, ....and then kept on going.
SF wasn't the SB Champion Ravens defense.
And, KC was not Eli, who truly is fearless.
In comment 14043078 SHO'NUFF said:
On Collins, revisionist history here is interesting. His career pre Giants was well documented. After coming here on 1999, he breathed life into the QB position that had been dead since Simms retired. He took his team to the SB in 2000, and if they had a break or two might have returned in 2002.
If Eli,Ben and Phil were not in the 04 draft then the team would have continued with Collins. He did pretty well in Oakland after.
Collins wasn't the most cerebral QB in football. He wasn't lazy but he didn't put in the work that Webb does. With that said while Webb has a strong arm and similar throwing style to Collins, Collins was the more talented passer.
When Collins was on point during a game he was an elite QB. The problem was consistency with Collins. His best season was 2002 where he had a great string of consistent performances that unfortunately ended in SF. I wish we could have seen what that team could have done had Junkin not botched that snap.
The best in-pocket mobility was that of Dan Marino—- Brady, Eli have it—- there you go.... 3 guys who are generally regarded as somewhat immobile, but they can move and be ready to throw
That was the missing piece for Davis in the first game... he looked better Friday, and he made some great throws
You just can't compare these two adequately in my mind -- I'm not saying that Webb is going to be a good/great QB -- but I think he has what it takes between the ears to do so - he works hard at it which Kerry never did, and his decision making would seem to be much better than Collins --
Collins was skittish only after he got knocked out of the game. Harry Carson said sometime after that game that if Fassel has played Garrett for the remainder of the contest, the Giants would have one. Collins was throwing too soon and was missing open receivers all night long. The offensive game plan and Giants talent was consistently beating the Ravens defense.
People who criticize Webb in his second partial game after never setting foot on the field last year are overstating the case as to what we know. We know he has upside, we just don't have any idea what his peak can be. We just don't. Athletes peak at different ages, and athletes have very variable upside from where they enter a major professional league--especially at key positions like QB.
All the nonsense above that claims to know how limited Webb's upside is, is just silly. They may be right or wrong, but strong opinions based upon guesswork are pretty useless.
The Ravens had played dirty football all year and throughout the playoffs. They were horrible towards Steve McNair of the Titans and there should've been ejections. The league pussied out because they didn't want to ruffle feathers with the NFLPA after Ray Lewis had been wrongfully exonerated of a double homicide when we all knew that he was as guilty as OJ Simpson.
Kerry Collins was a very good QB when he had good protection. He threw a very pretty ball with a consistently tight spiral and he could put it anywhere on the field from the deep outs to showing beautiful touch on screens, etc.. He was not mobile. Not his fault. He played behind some of the most horrible jokes we've ever heard as far as offensive lines go. 2003 will live in infamy, yet some of you guys talk like KC was dogshit. Give me our O-line from 1990 with our current group of skill players with Kerry Collins at QB during one of his better years and I could daydream all day about the possibilities.
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Collins was never good enough to win with.
Collins took his high school team to a state championship. His college team to national championship.
And the Giants to a Super Bowl.
He was inconsistent. He was a jerk who embarrassed his franchise. But he was plenty good enough to win with as his record demonstrates.
But did he win those games?
That third down pass to Shepard was a truly legit NFL throw. I've been a Webb skeptic, but that definitely caught my attention.
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Collins was never good enough to win with.
His career high in TDs was 22. He only threw 20 TDs just 3 times. Managed 4000 yards just once. Career high in QB rating was 85 and only hit 80 4 times.
Only made the playoffs 4 times in 14 seasons. Never went to playoffs back to back seasons.
He was on 6 teams and never stuck with a team more than 5 years.
And Collins was a lot more talented than Webb. There is a reason Collins was drafted #5 overall and Webb went in the 3rd round.
Was Jamarcus Russell more talented than Tom Brady?
Physically, yes But being a lazy dumb ass kind of hurt his development
Never mind that physical talent isn’t near enough to play QB in the NFL