The giants have to keep Martin or Simmons so that they have two viable running backs if Barkley or Gallman get injured.This likely means that they have to cut Stewart, despite his contract or more likely go cut Shane Smith or Jerrel Adams to make room for 4 running backs on the roster.
continue to show something in preseason, one will make it.....
As for Stewart, yes he has not impressed thus far, because of the OL.....in fact the OL has not blocked well on some of the better runs.....it has been cutbacks and individual effort by the RB's that have produced the long gains....
I think it will be the SB/Gallman show, with Stewart in short yardage situations, but the OL has to give him a fighting chance, not like that 5 yard loss...
Smith sucked last year.....not sure if he will make the team.....a FB is only good if the OL makes their blocks and he makes his...he certainly whiffed a lot last year...
As for the Stewart contract, that indeed was a head scratcher.....I think they thought it was insurance, if Barkley was not available, and they took a QB....
Dead money is a sunk cost whether he’s here or not. And given his roster spot will be taken by a vet min player the 475 savings will cover the rookie vet min so overall the cost is the same.
If Stewart remains slow and plodding, it's unfortunate, but I can't fault Gettleman for signing, as a back-up, a high-character guy who ran for almost 700 yards and 6 TD's last season and who apparently can catch the ball and block.
As for the Stewart contract, that indeed was a head scratcher.....I think they thought it was insurance, if Barkley was not available, and they took a QB....
If you thought teams didn't respect our run game last season, just imagine putting Eli or a rookie QB back there with old man Stewart to start the season...
Stewart is as close to a lock to make this team as any other Â
And it has nothing to do with his salary, imho. If warranted, the team will carry four running backs. Minimally, Gettleman has said they aren’t going to stick to position quotas.
Stewart’s most valuable contribution will be helping the young guys, specifically Saquon. The Giants are far too invested in this kid to not make moves that will make him better, and justify their decision, including “sacrificing” the 53rd roster spot. It is a very young group that includes the future face of the franchise. Saquon ensures Stewart has a job is my conclusion.
Stewart is a pro’s pro and has taken eagerly, by all accounts, to the mentor role. It’s also about culture. He’s a very valuable member of this team - and his contributions will most likely not be seen in the box score. I hope fans will come to appreciate his place on the team.
If Simmons concusion is severe they may PUP him at the start of Â
not pup eligible sincehe practiced in camp. I cant believe the confusion with pup rules, you practice or play in preseason games you cant be placed on pup
Stewart has had 6 rush attempts so far in 2 fucking preseason games...6!!!.
Let that sink in for a second...you're bitching about 6 rushing attempts in 2 preseason games. 1 where Eli didnt even start and the offensive line (who blocks for the guy) is still working on its chemistry.
2017 ran over 600 yds and 6 TDS all while competing for snaps with Mcaffery and Newton who vultured 6 rushing TD's.
If you cant understand the signing and its value then you need to re-assess you're knowledge base as a football fan. Stewart was brought (pre-draft) in as a insurance policy at RB for the young RB's (this was before Barkley was even a conversation). He also brings experience to the RB crop along with the ability to mentor.
Another value is his ability to take the bruising hits in the short yardage rush attempts. You want Barkley/Gallman taking those hits in practice/preseason games?
If Stewart remains slow and plodding, it's unfortunate, but I can't fault Gettleman for signing, as a back-up, a high-character guy who ran for almost 700 yards and 6 TD's last season and who apparently can catch the ball and block.
that some posters actually believe the GM has "charity cases" should indicate just how fucking stupid those posters are.
You said I "sucked ass" last week when I criticized Stewart and now I'm "fucking stupid." We will see how this play out. To me, he looks slow and plodding and not worth his deal. You have a contrary opinion. So be it.
Using foul language doesn't make your position more persuasive; rather it makes you appear ignorant. You may want to change your rapport, but I doubt you will.
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"Overpaid, overvalued, miscalculated market demand Â
charitable, pulled trigger too early, should have waited for draft to play out, premium for experience, premium for short yardage, premium for lockerroom presence, etc."
Pick your poison as we all wind up in the same place based on how you want to perceive how this played out.
You can defend the signing saying the team needed a guy like Stewart, but defending the contract is very difficult.
Its conjecture, but its hard not for me to to imagine his second best offer, after the Giants, was retirement.
But simply stop with the needless bashing of various poster's opinion on the topic...move on if you don't like the poison-word of choice.
Why are people quoting "600 yards" as though that's a lot? Â
The guy had about 200 carries. Carolina had a decent OL. Most guys who make an NFL team as a running back can get you 3 yards per carry minimum. There is no reason to pay a guy $7M to give you that.
For the amount of money he got, this would have been a bad signing even 2 years ago. At 31 yrs old it's a horrific signing.
You said I "sucked ass" last week when I criticized Stewart and now I'm "fucking stupid." We will see how this play out. To me, he looks slow and plodding and not worth his deal. You have a contrary opinion. So be it.
It isn't an opinion when you say the GM has a charity case.
It is just hyperbolic bullshit.
I didn't say you sucked ass for criticizing Stewart and I didn't say you were fucking stupid for criticizing him.
I said those things because you have really terrible posts that have nothing to do with whether one is right or not. Saying the GM is being charitable for the sake of it isn't opinion. It is just something pulled out of your ass. And it is treated as such.
If you cant understand the signing and its value then you need to re-assess you're knowledge base as a football fan. Stewart was brought (pre-draft) in as a insurance policy at RB for the young RB's (this was before Barkley was even a conversation). He also brings experience to the RB crop along with the ability to mentor.
Yeah, it doesn't take some kind of galaxy brain knowledge for this. Sometimes teams sign players to bad contracts. There isn't a deeper meaning here and you're not holding some kind of football knowledge that other people aren't.
Stewart isn't a starting quality running back. If the plan was to sign him to that contract in case they didn't get somebody capable of being a starting running back, it's still a bad decision.
What are we paying position coaches for if not to teach and prepare young players? And coaches don't count against the cap. Hire a coach for every RB on the roster if you need that much mentorship. What other time in recent history with this team has "mentorship" been so important that they had to overpay for a veteran player? They didn't even do this for Eli Manning in his rookie year.
Mentorship and leadership are fallback arguments which are convenient. There are dozens of vet RBs out there to be had. It had to be Stewart at that price?
The Hand of God isn't enough? He needs Jonathan Stewart too?
Stewart is getting paid rather well and he looks utterly finished. I don't care how great a locker room guy Stewart is supposed to be, it was a lousy decision.
it's a young team badly in need of positivity, strength of culture, and learning how to act like professionals. These things are not givens at this level.
this preseason. Hopefully we figure out a way to keep him on.
I agree that Stewart is there for mentorship, but I also agree that his contract is atrocious. I'm not sure what the thinking was behind that money or that deal, but it is what it is. I'm sure he'll be on the team, but I hope it's not at the expense of one of these younger guys.
RE: Yeah, we're vastly overstating the value of 'mentorship' Â
What are we paying position coaches for if not to teach and prepare young players? And coaches don't count against the cap. Hire a coach for every RB on the roster if you need that much mentorship. What other time in recent history with this team has "mentorship" been so important that they had to overpay for a veteran player? They didn't even do this for Eli Manning in his rookie year.
Mentorship and leadership are fallback arguments which are convenient. There are dozens of vet RBs out there to be had. It had to be Stewart at that price?
I disagree with this. I think mentorship is vital to young players and I think it happens all the time and we just don't see it. Example....
Do you watch Hard Knocks? Tyrod Taylor, a vet QB, is the first one to get into the building every morning. The first overall pick, Baker Mayfield, strolled in around the time when he was supposed to. The HC talked to him and said, why not get with Taylor and guess what...now their rookie QB gets into the building with Taylor. That's the kind of thing that fans don't often see, but happens all the time. A coach can tell the young player what to do, but often times they need to see a peer do it.
IN fact, I think every young player needs a mentor at their position. Someone who they can learn from as far as habits and learning the professional aspect of the NFL.
RE: Yeah, we're vastly overstating the value of 'mentorship' Â
What are we paying position coaches for if not to teach and prepare young players? And coaches don't count against the cap. Hire a coach for every RB on the roster if you need that much mentorship. What other time in recent history with this team has "mentorship" been so important that they had to overpay for a veteran player? They didn't even do this for Eli Manning in his rookie year.
Mentorship and leadership are fallback arguments which are convenient. There are dozens of vet RBs out there to be had. It had to be Stewart at that price?
no fucking way dude, Stewart as a veteran RB knows certain players and there ticks and tendencies from being in the league for a decade. Coaches are not on the field, they dont see what happens in the huddle these are tips and tricks a player like Stewart can provide. He also seems like a good character player. If you dont see value in that type of addition then go back to playing fantasy football.
RE: Yeah, we're vastly overstating the value of 'mentorship' Â
What are we paying position coaches for if not to teach and prepare young players? And coaches don't count against the cap. Hire a coach for every RB on the roster if you need that much mentorship. What other time in recent history with this team has "mentorship" been so important that they had to overpay for a veteran player? They didn't even do this for Eli Manning in his rookie year.
Mentorship and leadership are fallback arguments which are convenient. There are dozens of vet RBs out there to be had. It had to be Stewart at that price?
agree. Interesting that this supposed "perfect" prospect who doesn't even need training camp reps because he absorbs everything so quickly is in need of a babysitter.
The coach sets the culture. Not some over-the-hill RB who will be out of the league sooner rather than later.
Stewart is a sunk cost, Giants better not irrationally keep him. Be like Rockefeller, buy a competitor with redundant assets and cut it and move on.
As for Stewart, yes he has not impressed thus far, because of the OL.....in fact the OL has not blocked well on some of the better runs.....it has been cutbacks and individual effort by the RB's that have produced the long gains....
I think it will be the SB/Gallman show, with Stewart in short yardage situations, but the OL has to give him a fighting chance, not like that 5 yard loss...
Smith sucked last year.....not sure if he will make the team.....a FB is only good if the OL makes their blocks and he makes his...he certainly whiffed a lot last year...
As for the Stewart contract, that indeed was a head scratcher.....I think they thought it was insurance, if Barkley was not available, and they took a QB....
If you thought teams didn't respect our run game last season, just imagine putting Eli or a rookie QB back there with old man Stewart to start the season...
Stewart’s most valuable contribution will be helping the young guys, specifically Saquon. The Giants are far too invested in this kid to not make moves that will make him better, and justify their decision, including “sacrificing” the 53rd roster spot. It is a very young group that includes the future face of the franchise. Saquon ensures Stewart has a job is my conclusion.
Stewart is a pro’s pro and has taken eagerly, by all accounts, to the mentor role. It’s also about culture. He’s a very valuable member of this team - and his contributions will most likely not be seen in the box score. I hope fans will come to appreciate his place on the team.
not pup eligible sincehe practiced in camp. I cant believe the confusion with pup rules, you practice or play in preseason games you cant be placed on pup
Let that sink in for a second...you're bitching about 6 rushing attempts in 2 preseason games. 1 where Eli didnt even start and the offensive line (who blocks for the guy) is still working on its chemistry.
2017 ran over 600 yds and 6 TDS all while competing for snaps with Mcaffery and Newton who vultured 6 rushing TD's.
If you cant understand the signing and its value then you need to re-assess you're knowledge base as a football fan. Stewart was brought (pre-draft) in as a insurance policy at RB for the young RB's (this was before Barkley was even a conversation). He also brings experience to the RB crop along with the ability to mentor.
Another value is his ability to take the bruising hits in the short yardage rush attempts. You want Barkley/Gallman taking those hits in practice/preseason games?
The fuck is wrong with this fanbase?
Can't
nah
You said I "sucked ass" last week when I criticized Stewart and now I'm "fucking stupid." We will see how this play out. To me, he looks slow and plodding and not worth his deal. You have a contrary opinion. So be it.
Using foul language doesn't make your position more persuasive; rather it makes you appear ignorant. You may want to change your rapport, but I doubt you will.
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Pick your poison as we all wind up in the same place based on how you want to perceive how this played out.
You can defend the signing saying the team needed a guy like Stewart, but defending the contract is very difficult.
Its conjecture, but its hard not for me to to imagine his second best offer, after the Giants, was retirement.
But simply stop with the needless bashing of various poster's opinion on the topic...move on if you don't like the poison-word of choice.
For the amount of money he got, this would have been a bad signing even 2 years ago. At 31 yrs old it's a horrific signing.
It isn't an opinion when you say the GM has a charity case.
It is just hyperbolic bullshit.
I didn't say you sucked ass for criticizing Stewart and I didn't say you were fucking stupid for criticizing him.
I said those things because you have really terrible posts that have nothing to do with whether one is right or not. Saying the GM is being charitable for the sake of it isn't opinion. It is just something pulled out of your ass. And it is treated as such.
If you cant understand the signing and its value then you need to re-assess you're knowledge base as a football fan. Stewart was brought (pre-draft) in as a insurance policy at RB for the young RB's (this was before Barkley was even a conversation). He also brings experience to the RB crop along with the ability to mentor.
Yeah, it doesn't take some kind of galaxy brain knowledge for this. Sometimes teams sign players to bad contracts. There isn't a deeper meaning here and you're not holding some kind of football knowledge that other people aren't.
Stewart isn't a starting quality running back. If the plan was to sign him to that contract in case they didn't get somebody capable of being a starting running back, it's still a bad decision.
Mentorship and leadership are fallback arguments which are convenient. There are dozens of vet RBs out there to be had. It had to be Stewart at that price?
Stewart is getting paid rather well and he looks utterly finished. I don't care how great a locker room guy Stewart is supposed to be, it was a lousy decision.
I agree that Stewart is there for mentorship, but I also agree that his contract is atrocious. I'm not sure what the thinking was behind that money or that deal, but it is what it is. I'm sure he'll be on the team, but I hope it's not at the expense of one of these younger guys.
Mentorship and leadership are fallback arguments which are convenient. There are dozens of vet RBs out there to be had. It had to be Stewart at that price?
I disagree with this. I think mentorship is vital to young players and I think it happens all the time and we just don't see it. Example....
Do you watch Hard Knocks? Tyrod Taylor, a vet QB, is the first one to get into the building every morning. The first overall pick, Baker Mayfield, strolled in around the time when he was supposed to. The HC talked to him and said, why not get with Taylor and guess what...now their rookie QB gets into the building with Taylor. That's the kind of thing that fans don't often see, but happens all the time. A coach can tell the young player what to do, but often times they need to see a peer do it.
IN fact, I think every young player needs a mentor at their position. Someone who they can learn from as far as habits and learning the professional aspect of the NFL.
Mentorship and leadership are fallback arguments which are convenient. There are dozens of vet RBs out there to be had. It had to be Stewart at that price?
no fucking way dude, Stewart as a veteran RB knows certain players and there ticks and tendencies from being in the league for a decade. Coaches are not on the field, they dont see what happens in the huddle these are tips and tricks a player like Stewart can provide. He also seems like a good character player. If you dont see value in that type of addition then go back to playing fantasy football.
Mentorship and leadership are fallback arguments which are convenient. There are dozens of vet RBs out there to be had. It had to be Stewart at that price?
agree. Interesting that this supposed "perfect" prospect who doesn't even need training camp reps because he absorbs everything so quickly is in need of a babysitter.
The coach sets the culture. Not some over-the-hill RB who will be out of the league sooner rather than later.
I agree there's value to that kind of addition, but I question the specific value the Giants assigned to it in this case.
Oh well... Stewart and his cap hit are here for at least this year and we may as well get used to it.
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If you dont see value in that type of addition then go back to playing fantasy football.
I agree there's value to that kind of addition, but I question the specific value the Giants assigned to it in this case.
Oh well... Stewart and his cap hit are here for at least this year and we may as well get used to it.
Wouldn't the cap hit still be here regardless of if Stewart makes the team?