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IIRC, didn’t Eli get many more snaps in prior years?

Big Blue '56 : 8/19/2018 10:27 am
I believe under TC he either played the first few series or first quarter of Game 1, into the 3rd for game 2, most if not all of game 3 and rested for game 4.

QB guru Shurmur knows what he’s doing and unlike with TC, he’s got some viable longer term options at QB he needs to assess in action. Of course, Eli is older now so there’s that.

No real point here other than as an observational one
Yeah. I don’t find anything  
Beezer : 8/19/2018 10:32 am : link
wrong or even particularly note-worthy about the QB snaps through two. A heck of a lot more important to see the other guys get time, as opposed to Eli.
RE: Yeah. I don’t find anything  
Big Blue '56 : 8/19/2018 10:36 am : link
In comment 14043175 Beezer said:
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wrong or even particularly note-worthy about the QB snaps through two. A heck of a lot more important to see the other guys get time, as opposed to Eli.


Totally agree and to me, unimportant, especially with Shurmur at the helm. It’s just that I can’t ever recall Eli being so game limited through all the years, nothing more than that. Perhaps my memory is faulty
Do we honestly think Eli can’t play anymore?  
mattlawson : 8/19/2018 10:37 am : link
He knows what’s up. He knows the offense, let him coach up the younger guys and keep himself ready for week 1
Where was this fan attitude late last year  
NYSports1 : 8/19/2018 10:49 am : link
When BM told Eli he can start all games but second half he was going to give Webb the ball to get a look? Geno only got 4 qts because Eli refuse to accept this. If he had then Webb would have seen last 3 games second half action as Geno was only going to get that second half of Raider game because Webb needed a week worth of snaps with first team.

Now we are good with getting a look at Webb and Lauetta?
RE: Where was this fan attitude late last year  
crick n NC : 8/19/2018 10:52 am : link
In comment 14043188 NYSports1 said:
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When BM told Eli he can start all games but second half he was going to give Webb the ball to get a look? Geno only got 4 qts because Eli refuse to accept this. If he had then Webb would have seen last 3 games second half action as Geno was only going to get that second half of Raider game because Webb needed a week worth of snaps with first team.

Now we are good with getting a look at Webb and Lauetta?


I'm honestly interested in the reason, honest reason why you fight so hard against one of the finer players in the long history of your supposed favorite football team
Hopefully he doesn't play much all pre season and  
arniefez : 8/19/2018 10:56 am : link
hopefully Barkely and OBJ don't play at all until game 1.
Eli was never going to agree to play only 1st halves of games  
JCin332 : 8/19/2018 10:57 am : link
and anyone who has followed his career and understands his makeup and what motivates him would know that...

Yet somehow to the dregs this becomes a negative...
I honestly wouldn’t be upset  
BigBlueShock : 8/19/2018 11:00 am : link
If Eli doesn’t play again for the rest of the preseason. Maybe a couple of series in week 3 if they must, but I’d like to see Lauletta and Webb switch roles and have Lauletta play the first half with the 1’s and Webb the 2nd half.
Eli has always said that he likes to have a lot of work  
ZogZerg : 8/19/2018 11:02 am : link
in the pre-season. Maybe that was Coughlin wearing off on him. At 37, he should not need a lot of work.
RE: Eli was never going to agree to play only 1st halves of games  
NYSports1 : 8/19/2018 11:10 am : link
In comment 14043198 JCin332 said:
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and anyone who has followed his career and understands his makeup and what motivates him would know that...

Yet somehow to the dregs this becomes a negative...


And that is fine but why did the fans revolt then....Only a stupid fan would have thought that Geno was going to start all games for the rest of the season. Webb confirmed that the plan was for him to get the final 3 starts. Why did the fans revolt that led to where we are today
I did find it odd  
djm : 8/19/2018 11:12 am : link
That Eli didn’t play on Friday night, week 2 preseason. Odd and maybe a bit comforting to be honest. Shurmur and Eli feel good about things. Works for me. I’m sure Eli will play a lot of snaps against the stupid jets.
RE: Where was this fan attitude late last year  
djm : 8/19/2018 11:13 am : link
In comment 14043188 NYSports1 said:
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When BM told Eli he can start all games but second half he was going to give Webb the ball to get a look? Geno only got 4 qts because Eli refuse to accept this. If he had then Webb would have seen last 3 games second half action as Geno was only going to get that second half of Raider game because Webb needed a week worth of snaps with first team.

Now we are good with getting a look at Webb and Lauetta?


Terrible. Once again, terrible.
RE: I honestly wouldn’t be upset  
Jimmy Googs : 8/19/2018 11:36 am : link
In comment 14043200 BigBlueShock said:
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If Eli doesn’t play again for the rest of the preseason. Maybe a couple of series in week 3 if they must, but I’d like to see Lauletta and Webb switch roles and have Lauletta play the first half with the 1’s and Webb the 2nd half.


totally agree...

RE: I did find it odd  
dep026 : 8/19/2018 11:38 am : link
In comment 14043215 djm said:
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That Eli didn’t play on Friday night, week 2 preseason. Odd and maybe a bit comforting to be honest. Shurmur and Eli feel good about things. Works for me. I’m sure Eli will play a lot of snaps against the stupid jets.


Many starters sat out.

Brees
Ben
Carr
Goff

I think there were a few more as well.
...  
christian : 8/19/2018 11:41 am : link
In a brand new system with new pieces all over the place, I will not be surprised to see the offense start very, very slowly.

Minimal practice, missed time for a few of the big guns, and coming off a terrible season, I could see the argument to play the starters a little more.
I’m sure Eli got plenty of good work in during the week  
UberAlias : 8/19/2018 11:58 am : link
And there are coaches out there including Bill B who see them as more valuable than the preseason games.
Meaning the joint practice reps  
UberAlias : 8/19/2018 11:59 am : link
With Detroit.
RE: I’m sure Eli got plenty of good work in during the week  
christian : 8/19/2018 12:09 pm : link
In comment 14043239 UberAlias said:
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And there are coaches out there including Bill B who see them as more valuable than the preseason games.


Agreed, but note Belichick hasn't implemented a brand new system or come off a double-digit loss season in more than 15 years.
RE: Where was this fan attitude late last year  
Keyser : 8/19/2018 1:05 pm : link
In comment 14043188 NYSports1 said:
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When BM told Eli he can start all games but second half he was going to give Webb the ball to get a look? Geno only got 4 qts because Eli refuse to accept this. If he had then Webb would have seen last 3 games second half action as Geno was only going to get that second half of Raider game because Webb needed a week worth of snaps with first team.

Now we are good with getting a look at Webb and Lauetta?


The fans revolted because Webb was not activated and was getting no extra work or any significant work at all in practice. It was obvious to anyone except you that this was not McAdoo's plan at all. McAdoo's plan was to try to win with Geno Smith. If he planned to use Davis Webb this way, he would have said so at the outset. He also would have benched Eli UNTIL Webb was ready to be activated.

Fans would understand benching Eli for Webb. They revolted at the idea of benching Eli for Geno Smith, which is exactly what McAdoo was doing.
RE: RE: Where was this fan attitude late last year  
Keyser : 8/19/2018 1:07 pm : link
In comment 14043257 Keyser said:
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In comment 14043188 NYSports1 said:


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When BM told Eli he can start all games but second half he was going to give Webb the ball to get a look? Geno only got 4 qts because Eli refuse to accept this. If he had then Webb would have seen last 3 games second half action as Geno was only going to get that second half of Raider game because Webb needed a week worth of snaps with first team.

Now we are good with getting a look at Webb and Lauetta?



The fans revolted because Webb was not activated and was getting no extra work or any significant work at all in practice. It was obvious to anyone except you that this was not McAdoo's plan at all. McAdoo's plan was to try to win with Geno Smith. If he planned to use Davis Webb this way, he would have said so at the outset. He also would have benched Eli UNTIL Webb was ready to be activated.

Fans would understand benching Eli for Webb. They revolted at the idea of benching Eli for Geno Smith, which is exactly what McAdoo was doing.


That should say " ... would NOT have benched Eli UNTIL Webb was ready ..."
RE: I’m sure Eli got plenty of good work in during the week  
darren in pdx : 8/19/2018 1:14 pm : link
In comment 14043239 UberAlias said:
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And there are coaches out there including Bill B who see them as more valuable than the preseason games.


Shurmur said in a recent press conference that is the exact reason Eli didn't get snaps in the preseason game, he saw enough during the practices.
RE: RE: Where was this fan attitude late last year  
crick n NC : 8/19/2018 1:43 pm : link
In comment 14043190 crick n NC said:
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In comment 14043188 NYSports1 said:


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When BM told Eli he can start all games but second half he was going to give Webb the ball to get a look? Geno only got 4 qts because Eli refuse to accept this. If he had then Webb would have seen last 3 games second half action as Geno was only going to get that second half of Raider game because Webb needed a week worth of snaps with first team.

Now we are good with getting a look at Webb and Lauetta?



I'm honestly interested in the reason, honest reason why you fight so hard against one of the finer players in the long history of your supposed favorite football team


For the most part..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/19/2018 1:53 pm : link
this is how a lot of the preseason games have gone in Eli's career:

- Week 1 - 1 or 2 series
- Week 2 - anywhere from 2 series to a quarter
- Week 3 - a half
- Week 4 - No play or a series

I think that the way Webb played week 1 probably made Shurmur want him to either start the game or to see him in extended action.
Yeah '56 Eli got  
section125 : 8/19/2018 1:57 pm : link
more reps previous years. But I think it is/was more important for Webb and Lauletta to get the reps.
Eli had a great week in the scrimmages so he really did not need the game time reps and it was safer.

Keep Eli upright and OBJ off the field.
RE: For the most part..  
Big Blue '56 : 8/19/2018 2:09 pm : link
In comment 14043285 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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this is how a lot of the preseason games have gone in Eli's career:

- Week 1 - 1 or 2 series
- Week 2 - anywhere from 2 series to a quarter
- Week 3 - a half
- Week 4 - No play or a series

I think that the way Webb played week 1 probably made Shurmur want him to either start the game or to see him in extended action.


Which McAdoo and even TC were wont to do. imo
RE: Yeah '56 Eli got  
Big Blue '56 : 8/19/2018 2:09 pm : link
In comment 14043288 section125 said:
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more reps previous years. But I think it is/was more important for Webb and Lauletta to get the reps.
Eli had a great week in the scrimmages so he really did not need the game time reps and it was safer.

Keep Eli upright and OBJ off the field.


That’s how I would do it
But,  
Doomster : 8/19/2018 2:11 pm : link
Do we honestly think Eli can’t play anymore?
mattlawson : 10:37 am : link : reply
He knows what’s up. He knows the offense, let him coach up the younger guys and keep himself ready for week 1


Last year, he didn't even play 3 quarters total in preseason.....

This year, we have different players at each OL position, a new RB, a new WR, and new offensive system, and Eli doesn't need the work?

We need to be ready for that Jaguar Defense.....
With Eli's vet status/brains  
fkap : 8/19/2018 3:57 pm : link
he should be able to absorb a new offense, but let's not pretend that with limited practices, more work would not be better. If you want to couch the argument in terms of saving his body/arm, or limiting exposure to live hits, that's fine.
Eli throws a lot of balls and knows the playbook and players  
TMS : 8/19/2018 7:18 pm : link
very well. Guy is a huge student of the game. His mistakes will not be mental but we will see about the physical stuff soon enough.
RE: Where was this fan attitude late last year  
TMS : 8/19/2018 7:21 pm : link
In comment 14043188 NYSports1 said:
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When BM told Eli he can start all games but second half he was going to give Webb the ball to get a look? Geno only got 4 qts because Eli refuse to accept this. If he had then Webb would have seen last 3 games second half action as Geno was only going to get that second half of Raider game because Webb needed a week worth of snaps with first team.

Now we are good with getting a look at Webb and Lauetta?
Wish ELI had not made that decision and given up his well deserved record. They were assholes to even bring it up. IMO.
an older arm need less time playing in preseason  
micky : 8/19/2018 9:56 pm : link
as the season is long
RE: RE: Yeah. I don’t find anything  
djstat : 8/19/2018 10:36 pm : link
In comment 14043177 Big Blue '56 said:
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wrong or even particularly note-worthy about the QB snaps through two. A heck of a lot more important to see the other guys get time, as opposed to Eli.



Totally agree and to me, unimportant, especially with Shurmur at the helm. It’s just that I can’t ever recall Eli being so game limited through all the years, nothing more than that. Perhaps my memory is faulty
not just Eli, lots of QBs playing very little
hmm  
giantfan2000 : 8/20/2018 10:04 am : link
did Eli say in article recently he wanted more pre season playing time than in past years?

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In his own understated way, Manning made it clear he wants reps in camp and playing time in the preseason games. He needs them, actually, to get used to a new head coach, offensive coordinator and scheme.

“Whatever coach thinks we need. [But] I think you want to be out there and playing just to get a feel for him calling the plays and the game plan,” said Manning, who said his arm and body both feel great.

Giants seek perfect preseason balance for Eli Manning - ( New Window )
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