The Giants traded for Alec Ogletree and are paying the big bucks, but his cover weakness has already been exposed in pre-season ...
Enter Ray-Ray (who played with the Miami Hurricanes, the the Rams, 49ers, Raiders). He's a big ex safety who can hit and cover.
From Big Blueview ...
https://www.bigblueview.com/2018/8/19/17757418/2018-ny-giants-training-camp-pat-shurmur-saquon-barkley-sam-darnold-teddy-bridgewater-armstrong
The Giants are likely hoping that Armstrong’s athleticism and background as a (big) safety at the University of Miami will help their coverage in the middle of the field in nickel situations. Shurmur said that Armstrong’s blend of size and athleticism is what they are looking for in a linebacker”
“Certainly this is a big man’s game,” Shurmur said, “and so the bigger you are, as long as you can run and you’re athletic like he is, it’s good. It’s what we’re looking for. Hard to throw the ball around because he’s taller, but he can run and cover, and he’s done a good job with his run fits as well.”
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Some guys play one way in preseason, and another when the gun sounds......Ogletree is not competing for a job......have to hope his play improves against the Jaguars.....
Second, This guy is a veteran and knows he making the team and considered the starter. How many good Giants in the past have you seen not go full speed in preseason because they what works best for them. To early to judge a veteran player who is not in a competition for his job until the season starts he already has a lot on film. It will depend on how he performs during the season. He may just be a gameday kind of guy and a I am not getting injured in preseason kind of veteran.
The third thing, I just watched Sites and Sounds from this week and it was Ogletree was the player standing in the middle of group giving them a pep talk to get out there play. Our team needs players like that after last year, you can always think they are not needed but its guys like that can keep a team trying when things are not going their way. Guys that hate to lose.
"Blood in the water" - that's what it's ALL about.
Remember Antonio Pierce. He was truly a great player for the Giants, till the opposition found out he couldn't cover, then they relentlessly went after him.
Some guys play one way in preseason, and another when the gun sounds......Ogletree is not competing for a job......have to hope his play improves against the Jaguars.....
name 5 linebackers that would of been able to cover riddick on that play
name 5 linebackers that would of been able to cover riddick on that play......
I can only comment on the linebackers the NY Football Giants have......as I stated, I have never seen this guy play before....I don't know if he goes 100% in preseason as he does during the regular season.....and we won't know until we see him play during the regular season......
I hope he is the player that the Giants traded for.....but he will be tested by the opposition with similar plays.....any team would attack any other teams perceived weakness......
name 5 linebackers that would of been able to cover riddick on that play......
I can only comment on the linebackers the NY Football Giants have......as I stated, I have never seen this guy play before....I don't know if he goes 100% in preseason as he does during the regular season.....and we won't know until we see him play during the regular season......
I hope he is the player that the Giants traded for.....but he will be tested by the opposition with similar plays.....any team would attack any other teams perceived weakness......
way to side step, point was 1 maybe 2 linrbackers in the nfl qould of been to guard riddick 1 on 1 on that play, tonjudge ogletree on that play os horseshit...
no linebacker can...
not even close to what i said
Second, This guy is a veteran and knows he making the team and considered the starter. How many good Giants in the past have you seen not go full speed in preseason because they what works best for them. To early to judge a veteran player who is not in a competition for his job until the season starts he already has a lot on film. It will depend on how he performs during the season. He may just be a gameday kind of guy and a I am not getting injured in preseason kind of veteran.
The third thing, I just watched Sites and Sounds from this week and it was Ogletree was the player standing in the middle of group giving them a pep talk to get out there play. Our team needs players like that after last year, you can always think they are not needed but its guys like that can keep a team trying when things are not going their way. Guys that hate to lose.
We have a winner!
Can he compete for a spot in the base 3-4? Sure, in the sense that he's the next man up if Goodson or Ogletree falter badly. But Armstrong has had substantial opportunities with four NFL teams, and all ultimately concluded that he was, at best, a fill-in player. That includes the Giants, who had Armstrong under contract when they obtained Ogletree.
Armstrong could be a late bloomer. He's still just 27 and his career was set back by the year he was ineligible. The more likely scenario is that he remains what he has always been: a muscled-up former safety who doesn't excel at anything and makes too many mistakes on the field and perhaps also off of it.
Good enough for now to fill a role in the big Nickle
I wouldn't discount it either. Everyone is in preseason mode, including teams we are playing against. It's not like we gave away a fortune to get Ogletree, and for that matter, there was a reason why the Rams gave him away as well. Being all-pro caliber doesn't last forever.
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NOTHING’S been exposed. The guy is all-pro caliber. I wish people would stop assessing limited PT from vets at this point..Just wait until Bettcher implements his schemes for real
I wouldn't discount it either. Everyone is in preseason mode, including teams we are playing against. It's not like we gave away a fortune to get Ogletree, and for that matter, there was a reason why the Rams gave him away as well. Being all-pro caliber doesn't last forever.
Understood, but it’s still limited snaps without much game-planning/scheming. During the season, I doubt he or any LB will go one on one with Riddick. If by, say, mid-season, he has shown slippage, I would certainly begin to yield on my preseason point re Ogletree. He’s still rather young and in his prime, imo
Having said that will Ogletree get beat one on one in short passes in the middle of the fields against athletic pass catching RBs/TE. Yes, every LB does.
Not a game changer, but a decent role player.
He probably should have been a LB from day in college but he was fully bought in on "the next Sean Taylor" thing. He had a good freshman and sophmore years in a very tradition 4-3 cover 2 scheme, however his biggest weakness was massively busting coverages and then between an incompetent coaching transition to a more complicated 3-4 and the nevin shapiro stuff, he got dismissed and his college career basically ended.
Athletically he tested bad for a safety and ok for a LB at a 6'3 215 - but was obviously a big project after getting dismissed and needing a position switch. And that's basically what's happened in the NFL. He had a decent 2 year stint with the Raiders, the niners signed him and gave him a 2 year deal, I presume playing mostly ST and some backup reps. Now he's here. At best I'm thinking he's a younger and more athletic version of Casillas.
You keep what you kill