Offensive line has been upgraded, but only from awful to below average. Pass rush won't be great, secondary has holes. Not sure what - if anything - Eli has left in the tank. I'm expecting a "blah" season.
...my heart wants to believe that this offense is championship but 3-13 is 3-13. That being said - I believe much of the team quit on our last coach and while coach Parcells said "you are what your record is", the 63 yard field goal by the Eagles and another last minute loss to the Bucs last year gives me a little confidence that we are better than that.
With a different coach and GM, where are we as a team, the 2016 11-5 team (healthy D) or 2017 3-13? We have improved O-line and added a running back who is going to be fun to watch. Odell being back is exciting too!
I think 9-7 or 10-6 and a Wildcard birth. 11-5 or 12-4 would be amazing and a 2000 like run where the good guys win in the end.
Quite honestly, how we start the year may adjust my expectations. I am rooting for Eli to have one more great run and a 3rd Superbowl.
...with Gettleman swapping out so many players so close to game time. Half the team will meet the other half for the first time when they come out of the tunnel against Jax.
JAX W-I see this being a rock fight. NYG shut down Fournette and win.
at DAL W-Think DAL is in for a down year, especially with OL issues
HOU L-NYG are going to have problems with explosive offenses.
NO L-See HOU.
at CAR L-See HOU and NO. I think the Cam-CMC combo will be great.
PHI W-Too many ? on O for PHI (Wentz, Jeffery, loss of Burton)
at ATL L-Can't see NYG being able to contain ATL RB in pass game.
WSH W-Skins may have bottom-3 NFL offense this year sans Guice.
at SF W-Love Jimmy G, but McKinnon will prove to be a big loss.
TB W-TB will be a bottom-5 team. O, D and ST are all bottom-15 units.
at PHI L-Think Eagles will be worse but can't see NYG winning in PHI.
CHI L-Bears are my darkhorse this year. I think they go worst-first.
at WSH W-See previous WSH section
TEN W-Shut down run game, shut down TEN.
at IND W-IND or MIA has the worst defense in football hands down.
DAL W-See previous DAL section.
but by end of the year be a very very dangerous team. Barkley will rush for 1300 yards and have another 600 yards receiving.
Wild Card is a possibility depending on injuries to another team and the fact that the NFC North should beat up on each other, South has two good teams, one that can be pretty good and one (TB) who will be a major flop.
The West can have some upside but again, they will beat each other up so a wild card can slip in from a division that may not be as strong.
lucky bounces of the football 9/7 or even 10/6 not out of question. But we already have a significant injury with VO, and not much depth throughout (esp OT and secondary), and good teams get good bounces of the football.
So I would think 6/10 or 5/11 much more likely. However the team will be more competitive in each game which is important and the locker room will be better also a plus.
Giant are building with a 37 year old qb, we'll see how far that can go.
my biggest wild card this season is barkley. if he can be the man right away, making correct reads, properly picking up blitzes, and making the drive extending and game changing plays he was drafted for, then maybe the team can hide some of the weaknesses on the offensive line and on defense (by keeping the defense rested).
ultimately though I am bearish on him coming in right away and being able to be the consistent bell cow, pro bowl type player.
G-men will win 9 games....in this division...enough to make the playoffs...redskins 6....dallas 7...eagles 9....we win over eagles...more points scored...
If no games are missed by our top 15 players, then we could go 9-7. But that ain't happening, and we don't have any depth except at RB and (barely) DL.
Initially I thought maybe we could slip into the play offs
6-10 10-6 somewhere in between . To get to 10 we would
need s big year from Eli he's capable the O-line holds up
and the Defensive backend holds up we get enough pressure
from an array of players . Say Barkley just runs wild we
have a fighting chance to hit ten wins .
Eli leads a drive to score a last minute game-winning TD against the Cowboys in week 17 to put the Giants into the playoffs.
We play the Rams on the road on Wild Card weekend. The offense drops 50 points for the first time in I don't know how long and we advance to play the Eagles in the divisional round.
The Giants end up going to the super bowl and beating the Steelers 38-31. Eli is crowned the official king of the '04 QB class.
I do not think this is a good team, and we are now caught between management eras/philosophies. I think it’s year one of a 2-3 year rebuild, which could be a 3-5 year rebuild because the team doesn’t have a long term solution at QB right now.
I love Eli but I think he’s washed up and I am worried about the QB position.
You could argue they're a better team than the 2016 version, likely better O-line, much better RB, much better TE, Shep will be better, infinitely better coaching, I guess we lost JPP and DRC. But we'll have a tougher schedule. I think we can win 10-6 but I'll guess 9-7.
This has been the oddest two days I can remember with the Giants. Can anyone ever remember when no one could figure out what the hell they were doing? There have been many times both the press and the public have been surprised, but never a situation where there was no logical explanation after the fact. The Webb cut, the huge turnover of players.....Gettleman often talked with pride about how he kept Rivera at Carolina instead of firing him for "his guy". So I can't believe this has to do with any of that. He also spoke about minimizing distractions. This isn't that. The good news is that both Gettleman and Shurmur have done nothing to make me think they don't know what they are doing. The bad news is I would like to know what the hell they are doing. I suppose we all will in time. As for now, I have to have read the cards as dealt. Two wins. We shall see.
This has been the oddest two days I can remember with the Giants. Can anyone ever remember when no one could figure out what the hell they were doing? There have been many times both the press and the public have been surprised, but never a situation where there was no logical explanation after the fact. The Webb cut, the huge turnover of players.....Gettleman often talked with pride about how he kept Rivera at Carolina instead of firing him for "his guy". So I can't believe this has to do with any of that. He also spoke about minimizing distractions. This isn't that. The good news is that both Gettleman and Shurmur have done nothing to make me think they don't know what they are doing. The bad news is I would like to know what the hell they are doing. I suppose we all will in time. As for now, I have to have read the cards as dealt. Two wins. We shall see.
You're freaking out because we cut a bunch of guys we hope won't play in games anyway? And that's why we'll win 2 games. The chicken littles on this board. There's no way a quasi-healthy Giants team is winning 2 games.
My guesses? The offense will be effective and exciting to watch. The defense is a couple of injuries away from being a bottom 5 unit. Those are my guesses.
I say that because this could go anywhere from 6-10 to 10-6 based on injuries and other random factors.
I’ll sneak in an extra win and say 9-7. But who the hell knows. I’m always hopeful and tend to lean to the optimistic side but the legion of people saying no chance has left its mark on me.
Gun to my head, I’ll place my life on Eli’s back and go with explosive but not perfect offense, run stuffing but vulnerable defense. 9 wins and never a dull moment. Hold on it’s gonna be a roller coaster. Blown leads, comebacks, you name it.
But am hopeful we can get to 9-7 and sneak into a wildcard spot. I don’t see the Eagles regressing, and think they will unfortunately take the division again. Their defense is still to over powering for our OL. Skins and Cowboys both have improved defenses but their offenses are both mediocre.
This has been the oddest two days I can remember with the Giants. Can anyone ever remember when no one could figure out what the hell they were doing? There have been many times both the press and the public have been surprised, but never a situation where there was no logical explanation after the fact. The Webb cut, the huge turnover of players.....Gettleman often talked with pride about how he kept Rivera at Carolina instead of firing him for "his guy". So I can't believe this has to do with any of that. He also spoke about minimizing distractions. This isn't that. The good news is that both Gettleman and Shurmur have done nothing to make me think they don't know what they are doing. The bad news is I would like to know what the hell they are doing. I suppose we all will in time. As for now, I have to have read the cards as dealt. Two wins. We shall see.
That was a fun read. I think the only way the Giants end up 2-14 is for one of the following secenarios to be true:
- The starting players with the top ten contracts on the team this year accepted two wins.
- The Giants want the first pick in the draft and in waiver claims next year.
- 14 of the Giant’s opponents out-schemed, and then out-prepared the new coaching staff.
- 7 opponents beat the Giants in the trenches on both sides of the ball in 7-8 home games.
- None of the above are true, and it’s just the way the ball bounces for 14 weeks.
- Half of the teams in the league lose a game every week and the Giants are going to do it consistently for 14 weeks.
- All of the above are false. 🤓
Brutal conference, brutal schedule. Still believe they should have opted for the full rebuild this off-season. Hoping for the best. Sunday is a huge test.
Because I have zero confidence in the GM and/or coach.
IMO this has been a relighting of the dumpster fire when they hired the retread, over the hill, won't shut up, pompous ass Gettleman and his lackey Shurmur.
So with that being said, anytime I have confidence in this team 3-13 happens so I believe the opposite will happen this year
Or 6-10. Can't overcome a tough schedule, subpar OL, a weak pass rush, and secondary issues. Add in I don't think ELi is very good anymore but with 7-9 he's have to be decent. So I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. He can't be god though if his OL isn't at least decent. -- It's not. I fear ELi will be here next year too. We get a declining Eli- that's just "great."
But this board reeks of pessimism. Honestly, there are holes like there are with many teams. But Jesus if so many people think this team will be God awful why even watch them? Have some friggin faith.
Far more difficult schedule but this team is probably more talented Â
than the 2016 team. Definitely offensively. Defensively we lost our third corner and a guy with one hand. The coaching is night and day and I don't even need to see Shurmur coach a game, BM was THAT bad.
But this board reeks of pessimism. Honestly, there are holes like there are with many teams. But Jesus if so many people think this team will be God awful why even watch them? Have some friggin faith.
Oh yeah I definitely get the vibe people on this site are very grouchy to say the least.
They all must be vegans or God knows what lol I wish them the best. No enemy is is sworn enemy of mine! I see the Giants going 10-6!
... if so many people think this team will be God awful why even watch them? ...
Guess you didn’t live through the dog days [years] of the 60s/70s. Many of us watched every single snap despite knowing exactly what they were (there were always guys with talent that were at least fun to watch)
Also, I’d rather be thinking 5-11 and end up being pleasantly Â
Unfortunately, I don't see good things for the end of Eli's career and the Giants. Not pinning that record on Manning, although I do think his play will decline further this year as the changes to the OL will amount to small upgrades and he'll slow down a bit more.
Brand new system on both sides of the ball, lots of players on the roster w/o a full camp, virtually brand new offensive line, very little depth at the WR and TE position.
This will be a much better, more disciplined, more unified team, with a much better head coach and a much better attitude.
8-8. The first half of the schedule seems a bit rough. This team would need to steal a lot of wins at the end of games and this group of guys haven't been doing so the last couple of years. Not much else to say.
I can see them starting off 2-6 or 1-7 and finishing 7-1 or something weird.
8-8. With a tough early schedule and tons of new players Â
is most likely....but I think there is a 50% chance that the final record has a 10 or greater in it. Stay healthy and I bet they are a playoff team. But 10-11 losses is a real possibility if things go badly.
Any tean that had to add 6(!) waver cuts is not any good Â
Eli has a bounce-back year.
OBJ gets over 1K yards.
Barkley 700 yards rushing/500 receiving
This year likely starts a string of mediocre seaons. Also, if those are Barkley’s numbers, DG needs to go the second the season ends. Those numbers are abysmal for the second overall pick.
This is a 2 year process due to Eli having 2 years on contract.
Giants will be competitive in all games, but their schedule is brutal.
High draft picks next year OL/DL/LB will make them VERY competitive next year for Eli's finish.
If Eli plays extremely well they can franchise him for 1 year.
Eli has a bounce-back year.
OBJ gets over 1K yards.
Barkley 700 yards rushing/500 receiving
This year likely starts a string of mediocre seaons. Also, if those are Barkley’s numbers, DG needs to go the second the season ends. Those numbers are abysmal for the second overall pick.
WTF are you talking about? It would have made him the 8th most productive RB last year
New HC, new OC, new DC (and scheme), lots of roster turnover, the potential that Eli's wheels might be coming off. Too many question marks.
I think we'll dig ourselves a hole, record-wise, early in the season, and in the last six weeks, things will start to click and we'll see the team playing better. But it won't be enough to challenge for a playoff spot.
Eli has a bounce-back year.
OBJ gets over 1K yards.
Barkley 700 yards rushing/500 receiving
This year likely starts a string of mediocre seaons. Also, if those are Barkley’s numbers, DG needs to go the second the season ends. Those numbers are abysmal for the second overall pick.
WTF are you talking about? It would have made him the 8th most productive RB last year
700 yards rushing for a player hyped as a sure fire hall of famer who was drafted second overall is productive? 8th most productive back?? You must be joking, right??? Darkwa had 751 yards rushing last year, was he the second overall pick and a touched by the hand of God???? Remind me, did the Giants forgo a potential franchise qb for Orleans Darkwa?????
Just as a reference point, in Zeke's rookie year he had 1631 rushing yards and 363 receiving yards for 16 touchdowns. He was selected 4th overall in a draft where the Cowboys did not have the ability to select Goff or Wentz. Those numbers are the baseline for what should be considered a successful year for Barkley, who, by all BBI accounts is a better player than Zeke.
Please go away with your 700 rushing yards, Giants could have kept Darkwa for that.
Eli has a bounce-back year.
OBJ gets over 1K yards.
Barkley 700 yards rushing/500 receiving
This year likely starts a string of mediocre seaons. Also, if those are Barkley’s numbers, DG needs to go the second the season ends. Those numbers are abysmal for the second overall pick.
WTF are you talking about? It would have made him the 8th most productive RB last year
700 yards rushing for a player hyped as a sure fire hall of famer who was drafted second overall is productive? 8th most productive back?? You must be joking, right??? Darkwa had 751 yards rushing last year, was he the second overall pick and a touched by the hand of God???? Remind me, did the Giants forgo a potential franchise qb for Orleans Darkwa?????
Just as a reference point, in Zeke's rookie year he had 1631 rushing yards and 363 receiving yards for 16 touchdowns. He was selected 4th overall in a draft where the Cowboys did not have the ability to select Goff or Wentz. Those numbers are the baseline for what should be considered a successful year for Barkley, who, by all BBI accounts is a better player than Zeke.
Please go away with your 700 rushing yards, Giants could have kept Darkwa for that.
Holy shit are you really that stupid not to understand you add the receiving yards to it Skippy?
He would be just behind Fournette in total production last season
Where do you dipshits come from?
Eli has a bounce-back year.
OBJ gets over 1K yards.
Barkley 700 yards rushing/500 receiving
This year likely starts a string of mediocre seaons. Also, if those are Barkley’s numbers, DG needs to go the second the season ends. Those numbers are abysmal for the second overall pick.
WTF are you talking about? It would have made him the 8th most productive RB last year
700 yards rushing for a player hyped as a sure fire hall of famer who was drafted second overall is productive? 8th most productive back?? You must be joking, right??? Darkwa had 751 yards rushing last year, was he the second overall pick and a touched by the hand of God???? Remind me, did the Giants forgo a potential franchise qb for Orleans Darkwa?????
Just as a reference point, in Zeke's rookie year he had 1631 rushing yards and 363 receiving yards for 16 touchdowns. He was selected 4th overall in a draft where the Cowboys did not have the ability to select Goff or Wentz. Those numbers are the baseline for what should be considered a successful year for Barkley, who, by all BBI accounts is a better player than Zeke.
Please go away with your 700 rushing yards, Giants could have kept Darkwa for that.
Holy shit are you really that stupid not to understand you add the receiving yards to it Skippy?
He would be just behind Fournette in total production last season
Where do you dipshits come from?
Eli has a bounce-back year.
OBJ gets over 1K yards.
Barkley 700 yards rushing/500 receiving
This year likely starts a string of mediocre seaons. Also, if those are Barkley’s numbers, DG needs to go the second the season ends. Those numbers are abysmal for the second overall pick.
WTF are you talking about? It would have made him the 8th most productive RB last year
700 yards rushing for a player hyped as a sure fire hall of famer who was drafted second overall is productive? 8th most productive back?? You must be joking, right??? Darkwa had 751 yards rushing last year, was he the second overall pick and a touched by the hand of God???? Remind me, did the Giants forgo a potential franchise qb for Orleans Darkwa?????
Just as a reference point, in Zeke's rookie year he had 1631 rushing yards and 363 receiving yards for 16 touchdowns. He was selected 4th overall in a draft where the Cowboys did not have the ability to select Goff or Wentz. Those numbers are the baseline for what should be considered a successful year for Barkley, who, by all BBI accounts is a better player than Zeke.
Please go away with your 700 rushing yards, Giants could have kept Darkwa for that.
Holy shit are you really that stupid not to understand you add the receiving yards to it Skippy?
He would be just behind Fournette in total production last season
Where do you dipshits come from?
There are some incredibly simpleton posters that I wonder how they tie their shoes in the morning on BBI, but I have to say in my years reading, you might just take the cake as one of the top 5 dumbest I’ve read. If you would like to challenge my football knowledge, please go read my posts on Davis Webb from 8 months ago, I was one of the few who called him for exactly what he was, while the rest of BBI was proclaiming him the next Joe Montana. You just aren’t winning an argument with me, son.
As for your idiotic post, Saquon Barkley is a RUNNING BACK who was billed to the fan base as a generational talent who was going to single handidly fix the Giants running game. He was the second overall pick who was “touched by the hand of god”, amongst other things said about him. And now you are telling me that 700 rushing yards, and throw your simple mind a bone, 500 receiving yards is an acceptable stat line for a player billed with that much hype? How can I take you seriously, I couldn’t care less about Leonard Fotunette, the Jaguars didn’t make a franchise altering decision in drafting him. I also have not read a single place where Fotunette was called a generational talent. Could you please provide me a link?
Could you look at me with a straight face and tell me you couldn’t get that exact same production from a mid round pick or an undrafted free agent, maybe you get a couple of hundred less yards receiving. But again, the Giants didn’t draft a wide receiver!! Again, explain to me how a generational talent touched by the hand of god, who a franchise altering decision was made for can walk away with 700 rushing yards and have that be declared a fucking success?? That’s the production of a 7th round draft pick last year, do you not understand that, is that to difficult for you to comprehend? I’m done with this conversation, it’s not worth time to debate with someone like you.
Look Ace, He is going to a 3-13 team that has had a massive overhaul on its roster and has an average at best O-Line that has played together for 4 weeks.
The mere fact that you would use Elliot as an example who played behind the best O-Line in 2016 and think that is a good comparison with the O-Line we have illustrates perfectly how little you even understand the game.
7-9 if they play above their talent. 8-8 if they really give it hell. I don’t see this team as being a playoff contender, but they should compete in most games.
Look Ace, He is going to a 3-13 team that has had a massive overhaul on its roster and has an average at best O-Line that has played together for 4 weeks.
The mere fact that you would use Elliot as an example who played behind the best O-Line in 2016 and think that is a good comparison with the O-Line we have illustrates perfectly how little you even understand the game.
Stick to Madden Sparky
Barkley doesn’t need to post Elliott numbers because he has more talent around him, but Barkley does need to lead all rookies in yardage, provide significantly more yards than someone like Darkwa, and open up space for guys like Engram and Shepard to do more if you are spending the 2nd overall pick on a RB and paying him more guaranteed than Pittsburgh has been willing to give Bell
Look Ace, He is going to a 3-13 team that has had a massive overhaul on its roster and has an average at best O-Line that has played together for 4 weeks.
The mere fact that you would use Elliot as an example who played behind the best O-Line in 2016 and think that is a good comparison with the O-Line we have illustrates perfectly how little you even understand the game.
Stick to Madden Sparky
Barkley doesn’t need to post Elliott numbers because he has more talent around him, but Barkley does need to lead all rookies in yardage, provide significantly more yards than someone like Darkwa, and open up space for guys like Engram and Shepard to do more if you are spending the 2nd overall pick on a RB and paying him more guaranteed than Pittsburgh has been willing to give Bell
Generally you need balance to win (unless you have "Brady" etc). If SB is only going to get 700 yards then there has to be another back that gets a lot running. If he is only rushing for 700 yards there is a high probability he's soft. Long-term that's not good.
Eli rides off into the sunset.
we will lose 2 or 3 games just because of Eli Apple alone.
Someone cannot read
10-6 Go Giants.
6-10 - but not as badly out played as last year, very competitive in most games.
sorry but see a lot of hype but not much hope
With a different coach and GM, where are we as a team, the 2016 11-5 team (healthy D) or 2017 3-13? We have improved O-line and added a running back who is going to be fun to watch. Odell being back is exciting too!
I think 9-7 or 10-6 and a Wildcard birth. 11-5 or 12-4 would be amazing and a 2000 like run where the good guys win in the end.
Quite honestly, how we start the year may adjust my expectations. I am rooting for Eli to have one more great run and a 3rd Superbowl.
...with Gettleman swapping out so many players so close to game time. Half the team will meet the other half for the first time when they come out of the tunnel against Jax.
Good luck with that shit.
at DAL W-Think DAL is in for a down year, especially with OL issues
HOU L-NYG are going to have problems with explosive offenses.
NO L-See HOU.
at CAR L-See HOU and NO. I think the Cam-CMC combo will be great.
PHI W-Too many ? on O for PHI (Wentz, Jeffery, loss of Burton)
at ATL L-Can't see NYG being able to contain ATL RB in pass game.
WSH W-Skins may have bottom-3 NFL offense this year sans Guice.
at SF W-Love Jimmy G, but McKinnon will prove to be a big loss.
TB W-TB will be a bottom-5 team. O, D and ST are all bottom-15 units.
at PHI L-Think Eagles will be worse but can't see NYG winning in PHI.
CHI L-Bears are my darkhorse this year. I think they go worst-first.
at WSH W-See previous WSH section
TEN W-Shut down run game, shut down TEN.
at IND W-IND or MIA has the worst defense in football hands down.
DAL W-See previous DAL section.
Wild Card is a possibility depending on injuries to another team and the fact that the NFC North should beat up on each other, South has two good teams, one that can be pretty good and one (TB) who will be a major flop.
The West can have some upside but again, they will beat each other up so a wild card can slip in from a division that may not be as strong.
Add Barkley, Solder, Hernandez, healthy OBJ, a few guys on D and I'm thinking
11-5!
So I would think 6/10 or 5/11 much more likely. However the team will be more competitive in each game which is important and the locker room will be better also a plus.
Giant are building with a 37 year old qb, we'll see how far that can go.
ultimately though I am bearish on him coming in right away and being able to be the consistent bell cow, pro bowl type player.
And I’d be fine with that. The QB crop will prove to be underwhelming. Look to 2020.
6-10 10-6 somewhere in between . To get to 10 we would
need s big year from Eli he's capable the O-line holds up
and the Defensive backend holds up we get enough pressure
from an array of players . Say Barkley just runs wild we
have a fighting chance to hit ten wins .
We play the Rams on the road on Wild Card weekend. The offense drops 50 points for the first time in I don't know how long and we advance to play the Eagles in the divisional round.
The Giants end up going to the super bowl and beating the Steelers 38-31. Eli is crowned the official king of the '04 QB class.
I love Eli but I think he’s washed up and I am worried about the QB position.
I hope this is all wrong and they go 16-0.
Assumes no injuries to our stars
You're freaking out because we cut a bunch of guys we hope won't play in games anyway? And that's why we'll win 2 games. The chicken littles on this board. There's no way a quasi-healthy Giants team is winning 2 games.
We are f*@ked!
I’ll sneak in an extra win and say 9-7. But who the hell knows. I’m always hopeful and tend to lean to the optimistic side but the legion of people saying no chance has left its mark on me.
Gun to my head, I’ll place my life on Eli’s back and go with explosive but not perfect offense, run stuffing but vulnerable defense. 9 wins and never a dull moment. Hold on it’s gonna be a roller coaster. Blown leads, comebacks, you name it.
That was a fun read. I think the only way the Giants end up 2-14 is for one of the following secenarios to be true:
- The starting players with the top ten contracts on the team this year accepted two wins.
- The Giants want the first pick in the draft and in waiver claims next year.
- 14 of the Giant’s opponents out-schemed, and then out-prepared the new coaching staff.
- 7 opponents beat the Giants in the trenches on both sides of the ball in 7-8 home games.
- None of the above are true, and it’s just the way the ball bounces for 14 weeks.
- Half of the teams in the league lose a game every week and the Giants are going to do it consistently for 14 weeks.
- All of the above are false. 🤓
IMO this has been a relighting of the dumpster fire when they hired the retread, over the hill, won't shut up, pompous ass Gettleman and his lackey Shurmur.
So with that being said, anytime I have confidence in this team 3-13 happens so I believe the opposite will happen this year
Just want to at least build through the season. catch a break here or there and we can be a playoff team
pass rush issues
secondary coverage issues not resolved
Oh yeah I definitely get the vibe people on this site are very grouchy to say the least.
They all must be vegans or God knows what lol I wish them the best. No enemy is is sworn enemy of mine! I see the Giants going 10-6!
Guess you didn’t live through the dog days [years] of the 60s/70s. Many of us watched every single snap despite knowing exactly what they were (there were always guys with talent that were at least fun to watch)
This will be a much better, more disciplined, more unified team, with a much better head coach and a much better attitude.
I'd say twice as good as last year 6-10.
I can see them starting off 2-6 or 1-7 and finishing 7-1 or something weird.
Next year, they are playoff contenders.
A ton of 6-10’s, me included. A lot of scarred fans over the last 6 years.
OBJ gets over 1K yards.
Barkley 700 yards rushing/500 receiving
OBJ gets over 1K yards.
Barkley 700 yards rushing/500 receiving
This year likely starts a string of mediocre seaons. Also, if those are Barkley’s numbers, DG needs to go the second the season ends. Those numbers are abysmal for the second overall pick.
Giants will be competitive in all games, but their schedule is brutal.
High draft picks next year OL/DL/LB will make them VERY competitive next year for Eli's finish.
If Eli plays extremely well they can franchise him for 1 year.
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Eli has a bounce-back year.
OBJ gets over 1K yards.
Barkley 700 yards rushing/500 receiving
This year likely starts a string of mediocre seaons. Also, if those are Barkley’s numbers, DG needs to go the second the season ends. Those numbers are abysmal for the second overall pick.
WTF are you talking about? It would have made him the 8th most productive RB last year
I think we'll dig ourselves a hole, record-wise, early in the season, and in the last six weeks, things will start to click and we'll see the team playing better. But it won't be enough to challenge for a playoff spot.
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Eli has a bounce-back year.
OBJ gets over 1K yards.
Barkley 700 yards rushing/500 receiving
This year likely starts a string of mediocre seaons. Also, if those are Barkley’s numbers, DG needs to go the second the season ends. Those numbers are abysmal for the second overall pick.
WTF are you talking about? It would have made him the 8th most productive RB last year
700 yards rushing for a player hyped as a sure fire hall of famer who was drafted second overall is productive? 8th most productive back?? You must be joking, right??? Darkwa had 751 yards rushing last year, was he the second overall pick and a touched by the hand of God???? Remind me, did the Giants forgo a potential franchise qb for Orleans Darkwa?????
Just as a reference point, in Zeke's rookie year he had 1631 rushing yards and 363 receiving yards for 16 touchdowns. He was selected 4th overall in a draft where the Cowboys did not have the ability to select Goff or Wentz. Those numbers are the baseline for what should be considered a successful year for Barkley, who, by all BBI accounts is a better player than Zeke.
Please go away with your 700 rushing yards, Giants could have kept Darkwa for that.
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Eli has a bounce-back year.
OBJ gets over 1K yards.
Barkley 700 yards rushing/500 receiving
This year likely starts a string of mediocre seaons. Also, if those are Barkley’s numbers, DG needs to go the second the season ends. Those numbers are abysmal for the second overall pick.
WTF are you talking about? It would have made him the 8th most productive RB last year
700 yards rushing for a player hyped as a sure fire hall of famer who was drafted second overall is productive? 8th most productive back?? You must be joking, right??? Darkwa had 751 yards rushing last year, was he the second overall pick and a touched by the hand of God???? Remind me, did the Giants forgo a potential franchise qb for Orleans Darkwa?????
Just as a reference point, in Zeke's rookie year he had 1631 rushing yards and 363 receiving yards for 16 touchdowns. He was selected 4th overall in a draft where the Cowboys did not have the ability to select Goff or Wentz. Those numbers are the baseline for what should be considered a successful year for Barkley, who, by all BBI accounts is a better player than Zeke.
Please go away with your 700 rushing yards, Giants could have kept Darkwa for that.
Holy shit are you really that stupid not to understand you add the receiving yards to it Skippy?
He would be just behind Fournette in total production last season
Where do you dipshits come from?
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Eli has a bounce-back year.
OBJ gets over 1K yards.
Barkley 700 yards rushing/500 receiving
This year likely starts a string of mediocre seaons. Also, if those are Barkley’s numbers, DG needs to go the second the season ends. Those numbers are abysmal for the second overall pick.
WTF are you talking about? It would have made him the 8th most productive RB last year
700 yards rushing for a player hyped as a sure fire hall of famer who was drafted second overall is productive? 8th most productive back?? You must be joking, right??? Darkwa had 751 yards rushing last year, was he the second overall pick and a touched by the hand of God???? Remind me, did the Giants forgo a potential franchise qb for Orleans Darkwa?????
Just as a reference point, in Zeke's rookie year he had 1631 rushing yards and 363 receiving yards for 16 touchdowns. He was selected 4th overall in a draft where the Cowboys did not have the ability to select Goff or Wentz. Those numbers are the baseline for what should be considered a successful year for Barkley, who, by all BBI accounts is a better player than Zeke.
Please go away with your 700 rushing yards, Giants could have kept Darkwa for that.
Holy shit are you really that stupid not to understand you add the receiving yards to it Skippy?
He would be just behind Fournette in total production last season
Where do you dipshits come from?
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Eli has a bounce-back year.
OBJ gets over 1K yards.
Barkley 700 yards rushing/500 receiving
This year likely starts a string of mediocre seaons. Also, if those are Barkley’s numbers, DG needs to go the second the season ends. Those numbers are abysmal for the second overall pick.
WTF are you talking about? It would have made him the 8th most productive RB last year
700 yards rushing for a player hyped as a sure fire hall of famer who was drafted second overall is productive? 8th most productive back?? You must be joking, right??? Darkwa had 751 yards rushing last year, was he the second overall pick and a touched by the hand of God???? Remind me, did the Giants forgo a potential franchise qb for Orleans Darkwa?????
Just as a reference point, in Zeke's rookie year he had 1631 rushing yards and 363 receiving yards for 16 touchdowns. He was selected 4th overall in a draft where the Cowboys did not have the ability to select Goff or Wentz. Those numbers are the baseline for what should be considered a successful year for Barkley, who, by all BBI accounts is a better player than Zeke.
Please go away with your 700 rushing yards, Giants could have kept Darkwa for that.
Holy shit are you really that stupid not to understand you add the receiving yards to it Skippy?
He would be just behind Fournette in total production last season
Where do you dipshits come from?
There are some incredibly simpleton posters that I wonder how they tie their shoes in the morning on BBI, but I have to say in my years reading, you might just take the cake as one of the top 5 dumbest I’ve read. If you would like to challenge my football knowledge, please go read my posts on Davis Webb from 8 months ago, I was one of the few who called him for exactly what he was, while the rest of BBI was proclaiming him the next Joe Montana. You just aren’t winning an argument with me, son.
As for your idiotic post, Saquon Barkley is a RUNNING BACK who was billed to the fan base as a generational talent who was going to single handidly fix the Giants running game. He was the second overall pick who was “touched by the hand of god”, amongst other things said about him. And now you are telling me that 700 rushing yards, and throw your simple mind a bone, 500 receiving yards is an acceptable stat line for a player billed with that much hype? How can I take you seriously, I couldn’t care less about Leonard Fotunette, the Jaguars didn’t make a franchise altering decision in drafting him. I also have not read a single place where Fotunette was called a generational talent. Could you please provide me a link?
Could you look at me with a straight face and tell me you couldn’t get that exact same production from a mid round pick or an undrafted free agent, maybe you get a couple of hundred less yards receiving. But again, the Giants didn’t draft a wide receiver!! Again, explain to me how a generational talent touched by the hand of god, who a franchise altering decision was made for can walk away with 700 rushing yards and have that be declared a fucking success?? That’s the production of a 7th round draft pick last year, do you not understand that, is that to difficult for you to comprehend? I’m done with this conversation, it’s not worth time to debate with someone like you.
Look Ace, He is going to a 3-13 team that has had a massive overhaul on its roster and has an average at best O-Line that has played together for 4 weeks.
The mere fact that you would use Elliot as an example who played behind the best O-Line in 2016 and think that is a good comparison with the O-Line we have illustrates perfectly how little you even understand the game.
Stick to Madden Sparky
Look Ace, He is going to a 3-13 team that has had a massive overhaul on its roster and has an average at best O-Line that has played together for 4 weeks.
The mere fact that you would use Elliot as an example who played behind the best O-Line in 2016 and think that is a good comparison with the O-Line we have illustrates perfectly how little you even understand the game.
Stick to Madden Sparky
Barkley doesn’t need to post Elliott numbers because he has more talent around him, but Barkley does need to lead all rookies in yardage, provide significantly more yards than someone like Darkwa, and open up space for guys like Engram and Shepard to do more if you are spending the 2nd overall pick on a RB and paying him more guaranteed than Pittsburgh has been willing to give Bell
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Oh I get it, you're a 1/2018'er
Look Ace, He is going to a 3-13 team that has had a massive overhaul on its roster and has an average at best O-Line that has played together for 4 weeks.
The mere fact that you would use Elliot as an example who played behind the best O-Line in 2016 and think that is a good comparison with the O-Line we have illustrates perfectly how little you even understand the game.
Stick to Madden Sparky
Barkley doesn’t need to post Elliott numbers because he has more talent around him, but Barkley does need to lead all rookies in yardage, provide significantly more yards than someone like Darkwa, and open up space for guys like Engram and Shepard to do more if you are spending the 2nd overall pick on a RB and paying him more guaranteed than Pittsburgh has been willing to give Bell
Generally you need balance to win (unless you have "Brady" etc). If SB is only going to get 700 yards then there has to be another back that gets a lot running. If he is only rushing for 700 yards there is a high probability he's soft. Long-term that's not good.
1 guy lost the pool .... so far.
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