Prevailing opinion in Jan 2016 was Tom Coughlin should go

In comment 14065086 djm said:

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Because of age discrimination. He’s better than at least half of the guys coaching today.

This is even more ridiculous. In a league with dog killers, wife beaters, drunk drivers - you think all of the NFL skipped right over a guy they thought could help them win because he was too old?

Could it be maybe they had a look at this record with Eli and thought that even in better times he was a good coach but had lost some off his fastball?

He didn't get another job because he stopped being a good coach. It happens.

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In comment 14065086 djm said: Quote: Because of age discrimination. He’s better than at least half of the guys coaching today. This is even more ridiculous. In a league with dog killers, wife beaters, drunk drivers - you think all of the NFL skipped right over a guy they thought could help them win because he was too old? Could it be maybe they had a look at this record with Eli and thought that even in better times he was a good coach but had lost some off his fastball? He didn't get another job because he stopped being a good coach. It happens.

I won’t attribute it all to his age, you’re right coughlin was struggling to win I myself kind of caved and understood letting coughlin walk, but it was and is easy to second guess. Especially when you factor in his replacement and how talent deficient that 2014-2015 team truly was. I still don’t think people acknowledge this nearly enough. Those defenses weren’t winning games. Not with anyone.

I just respect him for the man he is and he did adapt .
They should have cleaned house at that point and got rid
of Reese right along with him.
TC is a class act and a great humanitarian despite his blemishes and a few curious mistakes . H brought two Lombardi's and some of the best SB games in history .

lost six games where they took the lead or tied the game in the final two minutes.

The defense could not hold, and everybody knew it, including Tom Coughlin. That had to complicate his game management decisions.

but not to fire Reese at the same time and then replacing Coughlin with what Green Bay described McAdoo as the class clown.

In comment 14065291 Britt in VA said:

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lost six games where they took the lead or tied the game in the final two minutes.

Not true at all. In several of those close games the Giants offense did not take the lead or tie the game in the final two.

And, despite everything, the chance to win the division was there if the offense had shown up in winnable games

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In comment 14065291 Britt in VA said: Quote: lost six games where they took the lead or tied the game in the final two minutes. Not true at all. In several of those close games the Giants offense did not take the lead or tie the game in the final two. And, despite everything, the chance to win the division was there if the offense had shown up in winnable games

It absolutely is true. Here's an article on it from December 2015. And they had one more after that.

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The Giants 2015 season was plagued by their inability to close out games, as the Giants lost 6 games in which they held leads or were tied within the final 2 minutes of the games. These losses included their opening game in Dallas, their home opener against the Falcons, a road loss in New Orleans and 2 home defeats against the Patriots and the Jets. Had the Giants won these games, they would've been 11-5 and would've won the NFC East.

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obvious.

For example the Jets game lost in OT was a close game but it wasn't a game the Giants tied or took the lead in the final two.

The Giants never scored after halftime and seven of their 20 points were from a punt return.

I did not believe he was the problem at all. However, after 2015, I conceded that he was part of the reason we had that dismal season. His coaching in-game and with personnel decisions cost them games. But, I only felt he should have been fired if Reese was also fired. Reese was, ion my opinion, the primary reason the Giants were on the decline. His drafts and FA moves for more than a couple of seasons were awful.

So when Reese remained, I was pissed. When Reese remained and we hired someone who barely had gotten his feet wet as an NFL coach I was more pissed. The success we had in 2016 had very little to do McAdoo, in my opinion, but rather a lot to do with the personnel acquired on D. The regression in 2017, again in my opinion, had a ton to do with the absolutely awful coaching staff (the entire staff) and again a terrible job by the GM. The final outcome of both being fired, along with most of the staff I support 100%.

He should have been gone in 2013 or 2014. There becomes a time when the message becomes old and stale and the players aren't listening. It doesn't mean he couldn't coach, just his program had run its course. Now Reese and Ross should have been shown the door with TC. Those two gave him a shit roster that was and still is extremely thin. Blowing money on mediocre players to fill roster depth is a terrible way to build a winning program. Reese and Ross' mismanagement will hurt the team for the next two years at least.

The best thing for both TC and the Giants was that he was fired. It's just a shame the team didn't have the balls to do the same with Ross and Reese at the same time

From my perspective, there were a lot of us who wanted Tom to stay. We knew the problem was the GM. And we knew it three years before TC was let go when the Giants STILL could not get enough good talent on the Oline!

But forget the Handley-Reeves-Fassell years. It was incredibly stupid to exit Coughlin off the premises using his head to open the f*cking door without having some good coaching candidates in mind.

Should have just let <insert Gruden, Saban, Cohwer name here> taken over as GM/coach.

Three straight losing seasons, four seasons in a row of no playoffs. The problem was hiring McAdouche to replace TC. Unfortunately, we didn't get to see how much of a steaming pile of crap McAdoo's offense was while Coughlin was still around, because TC still had his imprint on the design despite BM being the offensive coordinator.

with the entire coaching staff and the entire front office. Most of the mess the Giants became after 2011 was because of Tom Coughlin getting old and the Mara's trying to protect him and prop him up. They're doing the same thing with Eli Manning now. In the last 5 years the Giants have been as mismanged as the mid 70's.

look how theve faired since hes been gone, last year was a train wreck, the locker room unravelled quick, the play calling was atrocious, no coughlin should not have been let go, look hows hes help build on jacksonville, i know its a different role but the guy knows what hes doing. dumb move then, dumb move now.

At a minimum not firing Marc Ross at the same time of before Coughlin was inexcusable.

At the time I wanted TC to stay with the organization and take over Mara's role, but realized that was not feasible as Mara was not going to fire himself.

Unfortunately, we've since learned that he'd have been a far better GM than Reese.

TC fired and was shocked that it actually happened. I really didn't think they would do it right until the day it happened. My rationale at the time (and it still is) was that it was very risky to go with an unproven head coach when Eli only had a few years left. BM was a clear bust. We'll see how Shurmur works out. Shurmur has no track record of success as a HC, so we will just have to wait to see if he is any good. I would have put my money on TC eventually turning things around over most others because he was an above average HC - a two-time super bowl winner - but it's all speculative and water under the bridge at this point. It doesn't matter now.