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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/9/2018 3:52 pm
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Will somebody explain the thinking behind picking Kaelin Clay  
D_Giants : 9/9/2018 4:57 pm : link
and dumping Hunter Sharp last week. Clay is terrible. I think the FO outsmarted themselves completely. It was even more brilliant than iverpaying a washed up J Stewart and trading the best center they had.

DG is showing why he needed a job and Shurmur is really McAdoo with a mask on.
If this is the best defense  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/9/2018 4:57 pm : link
we see all year, we'll be fine.

I'm totally hammered though.
Flowers pick was the albatross around our neck  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 9/9/2018 4:58 pm : link
Mel Kiper did a better job scouting than Reese and Ross.
RE: Same ole G offense  
Ed A. : 9/9/2018 4:59 pm : link
In comment 14067580 D_Giants said:
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Two years ago, D won the 11 games. Last year, they got hurt and disillusioned, playing 45 of 60 minutes. Eli got 6 points (2 FGs) and gave 7, for net -1. D got 3 points (from INT) and despite givihg O great field position thereafter, O did nothing. Lots if lateral play calls, very little up the middle. Shurmur was outcoached. Too bad Mara didnt keep TC and Spags, and lose JR and McAdoo after 2015.

Eli is unathletic. He can barely move; he is immobile and is, of course, no running threat. His passes are inconsistent. His best days, despite the rhetoric, are 7 years behind him.

Why not put Wheeler in at RT? He could NO























T have been worse than EF.


Oh no? Wheeler is not the answer. You obviously haven't been watching. As bad as Flowers is, Wheeler is worse.
eli manning has got to make that pass to shep  
GiantsFan84 : 9/9/2018 5:02 pm : link
at the end. underthrew that pass by 10 yards
One of the toughest teams  
Mark from Jersey : 9/9/2018 5:02 pm : link
we will play all year. Outside of our OT play a lot to be optimistic about. Shepard & Beckham are a great 1-2 punch, Barkley will only get better, the secondary looked good albeit against a weak QB/WR team. Kicker went 3 for 3 special teams did their job. Liked the playcalls on offense, defense adjusted as the game went on and forced a ton of punts in the second half.
RE: If this is the best defense  
D_Giants : 9/9/2018 5:03 pm : link
In comment 14067621 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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we see all year, we'll be fine.

I'm totally hammered though.


I am afraid that the Giants offense, Eli, and Shurmur are going to reveal the hidden abilities and talents of many defensive units this year. This game picked up where 2017 left off. One turnover TD, one TD scored. HC trying to run down game clock with 2 mins left and while needing a TD. Side tio side passing and up the gut running. Only one fooled? J Mara.
1st and 10 on the last offensive series ...  
Spider56 : 9/9/2018 5:05 pm : link
Eli hits Shepard in stride over the middle and he drops the ball ... it was over after that play.
RE: 1st and 10 on the last offensive series ...  
D_Giants : 9/9/2018 5:07 pm : link
In comment 14067655 Spider56 said:
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Eli hits Shepard in stride over the middle and he drops the ball ... it was over after that play.


True. But offense was unimpressive all game. But fir Barkleyís breakout run, the Offense does what it loves to do: kick FGs.
Flowers is just plain awful. Wheeler may not be good  
Jimmy Googs : 9/9/2018 5:09 pm : link
but we are just screwed continuing to play Flowers.

Some positives...

Apple will I think one if his better games. Made me eat my words for sure. Glad for him...and us.

OBJ and Barkley are all-world.

Eli with nice hot start.

Defense rose to occasion.

Some negatives...

Engram playing on drugs.

Eli had a couple TD chances that he missed yet again. And the pick 6 throw was unneeded although I know he is trying to make a play. But the $20M/year HOF smart play is to eat that one.

Flowers and Solder abused too many times.

Punt returner misplayed a few, but we werent scoring a TD with less than 1 minute anyway so....
A drop doesn't mean its over because every team has drops  
xman : 9/9/2018 5:11 pm : link
likewise over throws or under throws to wide open receivers doesn't mean its over.

Maybe on the 2 point conversion a more mobile QB would have more challenging to the opponent and given us more flexibility
No moral victories.  
TexasGmenFan : 9/9/2018 5:17 pm : link
Too many JAGs making up a large fraction of this roster, too many negative plays by players at parts of the depth chart that simply can't be occupied by JAGs at all.

Several questionable play-calls, dominated at the LOS on both sides (a 1 sack and little to no hurry afternoon), and poor accuracy by the QB at the most opportune times.

29 of 53 players on this roster were 2018 additions. It shows. Who cares if we lost by 5 or 11 or 21? 0-1 is 0-1 and quite frankly, with them losing their best player for 2+ quarters, this was our game to win.
Next time  
KWhite2250 : 9/9/2018 5:17 pm : link
Eli should kindly ask the dlineman to not tip his pass on a pass play. How dare he try to pass it on a pass play while stepping up away from the guy flying right by flowers
RE: Next time  
jcn56 : 9/9/2018 5:21 pm : link
In comment 14067689 KWhite2250 said:
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Eli should kindly ask the dlineman to not tip his pass on a pass play. How dare he try to pass it on a pass play while stepping up away from the guy flying right by flowers


That's a great excuse for him. Flowers sucks, without a doubt - but Eli has to know better than to force that ball. How many pick 6s has he thrown in his career?

We've seen it all too often from him.
RE: RE: Next time  
KWhite2250 : 9/9/2018 5:31 pm : link
In comment 14067704 jcn56 said:
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In comment 14067689 KWhite2250 said:


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Eli should kindly ask the dlineman to not tip his pass on a pass play. How dare he try to pass it on a pass play while stepping up away from the guy flying right by flowers



That's a great excuse for him. Flowers sucks, without a doubt - but Eli has to know better than to force that ball. How many pick 6s has he thrown in his career?

We've seen it all too often from him.


So just take the sack? And then he gets blamed for going down too easy. If the ball isnt tipped, maybe its not a pick 6? Guy made a play and tipped it. Shit happens.
I'm as tough on Eli as anyone but I don't blame him  
Blue21 : 9/9/2018 5:34 pm : link
for that pick. Oline was horrible as usual today.They were very inconsistent. Eli was under pressure a ton and they couldn't run block.
How is this even a debate  
lax counsel : 9/9/2018 5:34 pm : link
This is the same thing as 2016 and 2017, minus one Barkley run. 3-15 over the last 18 and and 34 straight games below 30 points. This is Cleveland Browns bad.

And posters on here are selling this as a multi year rebuild? Ownership and the Front office told us this is a win now team built around one more Eli run. They donít have 2-3 years to figure it out.

What I saw today was more of the same, a terrible offense with the same o line and qb who canít function with high performance even when heís given time. A 20m a year qb needs to be able to raise his game above some of these things.

Show us something different. I was told all offseason the giants made the right move passing on a qb, and were ready to go, show me something different.
RE: RE: Staring right down at 0-3 potentially  
clatterbuck : 9/9/2018 5:36 pm : link
In comment 14067355 montanagiant said:
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Eli missed Beckham on 2 potential TDís. Inexcusable.


He had to rush the first throw because of Flowers and on the second one OBJ was held as he made his second cut which disrupted his route, otherwise that's a TD


Agree.
RE: RE: RE: Next time  
jcn56 : 9/9/2018 5:39 pm : link
In comment 14067737 KWhite2250 said:
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In comment 14067689 KWhite2250 said:


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Eli should kindly ask the dlineman to not tip his pass on a pass play. How dare he try to pass it on a pass play while stepping up away from the guy flying right by flowers



That's a great excuse for him. Flowers sucks, without a doubt - but Eli has to know better than to force that ball. How many pick 6s has he thrown in his career?

We've seen it all too often from him.



So just take the sack? And then he gets blamed for going down too easy. If the ball isnt tipped, maybe its not a pick 6? Guy made a play and tipped it. Shit happens.


Shit happens when it happens to you randomly.

Shit that's a result of your actions is just plain old shit that you brought on yourself.

A veteran QB with a shaky OL who has been playing in a tight game where his D has been blanking the offensive team should NOT be forcing that pass on his side of the field.

It's not too much to ask. That, and actually hitting guys in stride when they're open, but I'll give him a pass for the weather conditions today.
RE: RE: RE: Staring right down at 0-3 potentially  
chuckydee9 : 9/9/2018 5:40 pm : link
In comment 14067754 clatterbuck said:
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Eli missed Beckham on 2 potential TDís. Inexcusable.


He had to rush the first throw because of Flowers and on the second one OBJ was held as he made his second cut which disrupted his route, otherwise that's a TD



Agree.


+1 this wasn't the performance I expect from a QB making 20+ million..
Leonard Cohen  
plato : 9/9/2018 5:41 pm : link
ďI saw the future, it was murderĒ
Guys...please look on the bright side of things here  
jamison884 : 9/9/2018 5:47 pm : link
Jacksonville has arguably the best defense in the league and we only lost by 5 points, but there were 5 to 10 unforced correctable errors on our part throughout the game which could have resulted in a win rather than a loss. Also, this was against a Jacksonville team that was 10-6 with 2 playoff wins last year.

Any skill position player with a season-ending leg injury has the potential to simply never fully recover and bremain the same player, but we lucked out and Beckham still has it.

I feel Barkley can break a run like that any given week, and once he gets some more NFL experience and involved in the passing game more, we'll see better results and consistency from him. Remember, in general, preseason simply doesn't prepare NFL teams for week 1 adequately and the defense is typically ahead of the offense in terms of week 1 effectiveness.

Our receivers, especially Engram, need to stop dropping passes, but the talent is all there. Eli looked pretty sharp when he had time to throw; sure he wasn't perfect, but I feel comfortable saying he still has enough juice to take this team into the playoffs and ride a hot streak at the end of the year, just like he has twice before for SB wins. Also, he wasn't exactly in sync with all of his receivers, but his arm strength was there and his misses were generally overthrown versus underthrown.

Our biggest issues: Flowers is terrible and our punt returners have been inconsistent and unreliable the entire offseason. At this point, I just want a PR that can 100% catch the ball, I don't even need return yards and I'll be happy. Those two positions need to be addressed and if either of those two issues didn't popup today, the Giants would have likely won the game.

This team has the potential to be a playoff team just a year removed from a 3-13 season. With all that said, the quality of our coaching staff, our new schemes, and our new personnel department led by Mr. Gettleman are absolutely huge improvements over the past couple of years. I'm confident they will continue to work their asses off until we find the correct players for our remaining positions of need. I'd say those two spots plus adding improved depth at every position are at the top of their list.

I wouldn't be even remotely this optimistic if this were a week 1 loss last year given the presence of McAdoo and Reese.
Calais Campbell is a mother fucking  
Bluesbreaker : 9/9/2018 5:48 pm : link
Home wrecker . Flowers had Zero chance against him he abused
Soldier as well . Last Season he had 4 sacks in the Jags opener . vs Texans . They are tough in the trenches on both sides of the ball ..
Some of the play calling was less than desirable .
Barkley didn't need to be rested . The two point play call after a 68 yard run . That is the one time I would have considered using Stewart he is suited for the goal line .
some of the short passes that are dangerous for not only turnovers batted balls ect. but getting players killed
Where the hell was Ellison on the 3rd and 5-7 yard plays .
He has size unlike Enram he can block and very good hands .
They never split Barkley wide and like zero wheel routes .
I would consider Mercedes Lewis and any RT that could be found . Flowers is gonna get Eli Killed .
RE: The Jags are a better team  
djm : 9/9/2018 5:50 pm : link
In comment 14067312 AcesUp said:
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It almost felt like we were playing uphill all game. They're just flat out better on the lines than we are and it's hard to win when you're losing that battle.

We'll definitely be competitive this year, I think this game showed that. However, the OL needs to improve if there's any hope of being a threat in the NFC though.


Pretty much my thoughts but Iíll caveat them by saying I never like to take too much good from a home loss. Yeah, we competed, but still a loss. With that said, you have to be moderately pleased with the D and seeing Barkley and Beckham do their thing is reassuring as well.

I just wish this team wasnít always saddled with god awful at a position or two. Those guys fucking kill us year in year out. Can we just have kinda bad at RT instead of nightmarish bad?

Talk to me in a couple of weeks.
RE: RE: that last pass to Shepard  
Rjanyg : 9/9/2018 6:11 pm : link
In comment 14067475 Blue21 said:
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the defender was holding his hand down while the ball was already released by Eli.

Looked like clear PI to me

That was the game right there



Yep! Couldn't believe no call


Total PI.
I thought the guys battled today  
JerseyCityJoe : 9/9/2018 6:16 pm : link
So I'm happy about that.
At some point you have to realise they just played  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/9/2018 6:16 pm : link
the best defense in football. Or at worst 2nd best next to the Rams.
Some Thoughts,  
clatterbuck : 9/9/2018 6:16 pm : link
a reason to be somewhat optimistic if you're so inclined: they had a chance to win in the last 2 min. against one the best teams in the league; that Jags D is terrific across the board; Saquon is who they said he was; OBJ is back; Eli had a good game under constant pressure; he had to unload the ball on the first OBJ miss; on the second, Beckham was impeded just enough to ruin the timing; D turned it around and shut down the Jags in the 2nd half; kicking game looked good, Rosas solid; good game for Apple; and Shephard's block on Barkley's TD run was a thing of beauty.

On the other hand, too many drops and Engram had a terrible game; needs to fight for some of those contested balls; O-line issues magnified by Jags superb front; Flowers is who we said he was; really missed Vernon; why was Clay signed, exactly and wasn't that an oppportunity to put Beckham back there? Why wasn't Jonathon Stewart in the game for the 2pt try?

This, suprisingly, at least to me, became a winnable game. For first game, new D, new O, they didn't suck

I think Giants beat Dallas next week.
RE: Leonard Cohen  
bluesince56 : 9/9/2018 6:16 pm : link
In comment 14067771 plato said:
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ďI saw the future, it was murderĒ


Good post
djm & clatterbuck  
arniefez : 9/9/2018 6:28 pm : link
I agree with all of what you both said. There are no good losses in the NFL. 0-1 sucks. The best part of the day for me was the defensive scheme. Unfortunately as noted above the Giants are so weak in certain areas itís difficult to see this season turning out well. Maybe a few more wins than last year and an even older QB next year.
A relief to see them fight to the end  
JonC : 9/9/2018 6:42 pm : link
but, predictably, the OL is an issue and the pass rush is not there yet.

Ultimately, this is a young football team that played like one. Crucial mistakes, left a lot of yards and crucial plays on the field because they weren't aware or lost focus.

Tons of teaching points, plenty to build on.
Itís amazing how many people  
Leg of Theismann : 9/9/2018 6:44 pm : link
Are drawing conclusions like ď2 year rebuild at leastĒ from just one freaking game. The FIRST game of the Shurmur era. At least the Giants were competitive and came up 5 points short to a team that almost went to the super bowl last year. Do you remember week 1 against Dallas a year ago? I would say this performance looked far more promising than that one.

The defense looked good to me. And Iím reserving all judgments of the offense until they play a defense that ISNíT the best defense in the league and theyíve all played together for at least 3-4 weeks. Everyone agreed that if we can get to 4-4 at the bye weíll actually be in prime position to make a run, so losing today by 5 points to a fantastic team Iím not about to hit the panic button.
Iíll never knock a player for trying to make a play...  
McNally's_Nuts : 9/9/2018 6:50 pm : link
Barkley looks like everything hes billed and more. I cant think of any Giants running back who breaks those tackles and takes it to the house. Special player the Giants have there.

Beckham was Beckham, played very well today and cant really ask him to do more.

Shepard and Engram. For a team that has such a razor thin margin of error, those 4 drops cannot occur. Those 4 balls should have been caught and all of them would have gone for 1st Downs. Pretty disappointing for these two players were counting on.

The offensive line. Flowers is fucking awful, I dont know how this dude was the 9th overall pick in 2015. He fucking blows. He got his lunch taken from him today which I guess shouldnt surprise anyone. The pick 6 was a direct result of the immediate pressure he gave up. There has to be a better alternative somewhere.

Our prized free agent acquisition, Nate Solder also had a rough game. He gave up a lot of pressure and had a killer holding penalty that stalled a drive around mid-field. Also a disappointing appearance but I think hell bounce back next week. The Jags have the best defense in the game and the best defensive line in the NFL.

I didnt really key on Hernandez, Halapio or Omaheh. They didnt really get push and it seemed they allowed Eli to step up when he had too.

I thought Eli had a good game, I believe hes still got some magic left in the tank. Not really worried about him. Ill chalk up missing OBJ in the end zone in the second half to not enough reps yet. Hell be fine.


I thought the defense played relatively well, but the Jags arent exactly an offensive team. Bortles is mediocre and they dont have anyone who will wow you at the skill positions.

Eli Apple had a hell of a game, hopefully he can keep it up. Blanket coverage all day. Thats a good sign.

Need to see more of a pass rush though. Very stout against the run but Vernon is our only edge rusher. Not hard to see how/why the Giants liked Bradley Chubb in the draft. Especially with Vernon likely getting cut next off season to save cap space, this is a real need.

This loss stings as I felt like this game was for the taking. But I think it will get better! Onto Dallas and they are looking like complete fucking ass right now.
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RE: RE: RE: Other than Flowers.....  
UberAlias : 9/9/2018 7:26 pm : link
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Iím really encouraged by what I saw. We played a tough defense, in the rain.

. Agreed. They are not there yet, but looking better. Thatís the important takeaway.



Itís week one with a new coach and front office. Did you expect we wouldnít show up? Jax is not good offensively. Their D is dominant. We lost. No silver lining. If 13 and 26 show up we will compete.
you really has issue with my take? Youíre not remotely realistic.
one silver lining for me  
Jerz44 : 9/9/2018 8:05 pm : link
was that this was against an amazing d. this O could score a ton of points against a more 'standard' d and our D looks good.

im still optimistic
I counted  
ryanmkeane : 9/9/2018 8:32 pm : link
about 9 plays that were single handily ruined by Flowers including multiple really huge plays that could have swung the drive. It really is unacceptable at this point. Leaving him out there and you risk losing huge plays and drives due to the fact that he literally canít block.

Defense played well enough to win this game. Unfortunately the OL loses it for us again.
RE: ...  
The_Boss : 9/9/2018 9:17 pm : link
In comment 14067517 christian said:
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Nate Solder was as bad as Flowers today. I know that's tough to hear, but he was awful.


For real. Was at the game. He looked like horseshit.
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Simms11 : 9/9/2018 9:39 pm : link
In comment 14068332 The_Boss said:
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Nate Solder was as bad as Flowers today. I know that's tough to hear, but he was awful.



For real. Was at the game. He looked like horseshit.


Played well enough for Brady last year. Heís much better then what we had there last year. The left side will not be as much of an issue. Eli wasnít running for his life or getting hit from the blind side.

Halapio has to get more push in the middle. I saw him getting pushed right back on a few occasions.
I actually liked the play design.  
St. Jimmy : 9/9/2018 11:43 pm : link
There were plays where guys were open in space. Unfortunately, They were getting tackled a yard or two short of the first down. The execution was off today. Hopefully, that will improve later in the season.

The defense looked good although we'll see how they look against a real passing offense. Bortles stinks.
Eli with 0 TD's??!  
prdave73 : 9/9/2018 11:48 pm : link
This is what bothers me. But yet Rodgers with one leg can go 3 TD's in a quarter?! Don't say its Rodgers because the WR's have to run certain routes and catch the balls too. The Giants have players on offense and should be able to do the same thing.. smh..
RE: My Takeaways  
Ned In Atlanta : 9/9/2018 11:50 pm : link
In comment 14067488 lax counsel said:
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Pros
-defense looked very good
-Eli Apple, to his credit looked very good
- Barkley shows fairly well, most of his stats on one run.
-I like all of the defensive looks from Bettcher.

Cons
- game number 34 in a row under 30 points
-offense, for the most part still putrid, different names same result
- o line still pretty bad, although Eli got more time today then last year, not much but definitely more
- Eli continuing to show dimisnhed skills throwing the ball downfield. Iím not referring to the times when heís under pressure, Iím talking about all the inconsistency on where the ball is delivered.
- coaching changed , still looks like mcadoo, terrible play calling down the stretch

I think weíre going to see a lot of these types of games. No one fears or respects the giants passing game, but we ll see one or two Barkley runs that makes everyone will go wild in a losing effort. These are the things that all of the overhaul fans feared, and they feared their ugly heads today.

Show me a line that can block with consistency. Show me a qb that doesnít feel phantom pressure when he does get blocks and can throw the ball with accuracy and not miss wide open receivers. Show me receivers that catch the mall when it is delivered on time.

Outside of one Barkley run, I see more of the same from 2016 and 2017. Perhaps the problem runs deeper than mcadoo and he who shall remain nameless was part of a problem and not a passive victim?

For the BBI optimists who think the Giants can do no wrong, outside of one Barkley run, what should we be optimistic about, going on 3-15 dating back to Green Bay. Looks an awful lot like a 6-10 or 7-9 team that supposedly was win now and made all of their offseason decisions around one more run.

Show me something different.


Really good post. Hard to argue with your overall outlook
Some good, some okay, some bad, some ugly.  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/9/2018 11:59 pm : link
Which is exactly how I think our season will go which averages out to a middle of the road team. Defense played alright, offense was up and down at best. Can't say this game did anything to bolster my expectations this season. Still hoping for the best, though. Ereck Flowers is one of the most putrid players to ever wear a Giants uniform. OLine as awhole still has alot of work to do.
It really just comes down to the  
ryanmkeane : 9/10/2018 12:23 am : link
OL. Simple as that. If they can be competent, we can be good. If they are below average to bad, we will be in the 4-6 Win category.
ryanmk,  
prdave73 : 9/10/2018 12:46 am : link
Agree 100%. It's as simple as that. If you look at the best offensive teams in the NFL, they all have one thing in common, great offensive lines.
RE: ...  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/10/2018 1:18 am : link
In comment 14067517 christian said:
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Nate Solder was as bad as Flowers today. I know that's tough to hear, but he was awful.


I think you need to rewatch the first quarter if you feel solder was as bad as flowers. Tripping flag, holding flag, and narrowly avoided being responsible for a safety.
RE: ryanmk,  
Jesse B : 9/10/2018 7:09 am : link
In comment 14068742 prdave73 said:
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Agree 100%. It's as simple as that. If you look at the best offensive teams in the NFL, they all have one thing in common, great offensive lines.


Not really. They all have great QB play. There are very few good OL in The league
Offensive Line starts with coaching  
cznmike : 9/10/2018 1:05 pm : link
Offensive Line Coach Hal Hunter

2018-Present: Offensive Line Coach, New York Giants

2017- There was a REASON he was unemployed

2016: Offensive Line Coach, Cleveland Browns
66 sacks= #1 allowed #19 av. yards rushing per game

2015: Offensive Line Coach, Indianapolis Colts
37 sacks = #15 allowed #29 av. yards rushing per game

2013-2014: Assistant Offensive Line Coach, Indianapolis Colts
(pass here, he was the assistant)

2012: Offensive Coordinator/Offensive Line Coach, San Diego Chargers
40 sacks =#12 #31 av. yards rushing per game

2007-2011: Offensive Line Coach, San Diego Chargers (2011 was his best season stat wise as an OL coach
28= #25 allowed #16 av. yards rushing per game
RE: Offensive Line starts with coaching  
Leg of Theismann : 9/10/2018 5:29 pm : link
In comment 14069586 cznmike said:
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Offensive Line Coach Hal Hunter

2018-Present: Offensive Line Coach, New York Giants

2017- There was a REASON he was unemployed

2016: Offensive Line Coach, Cleveland Browns
66 sacks= #1 allowed #19 av. yards rushing per game

2015: Offensive Line Coach, Indianapolis Colts
37 sacks = #15 allowed #29 av. yards rushing per game

2013-2014: Assistant Offensive Line Coach, Indianapolis Colts
(pass here, he was the assistant)

2012: Offensive Coordinator/Offensive Line Coach, San Diego Chargers
40 sacks =#12 #31 av. yards rushing per game

2007-2011: Offensive Line Coach, San Diego Chargers (2011 was his best season stat wise as an OL coach
28= #25 allowed #16 av. yards rushing per game


Well damn. I had no idea he was that bad. Go figure.
RE: My Takeaways  
Red Right Hand : 9/10/2018 8:35 pm : link
In comment 14067488 lax counsel said:
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Perhaps the problem runs deeper than mcadoo and he who shall remain nameless was part of a problem and not a passive victim?



Ray Handley had nothing to do with this...
RE: Overall Not the Look Of a Playoff Team  
Red Right Hand : 9/10/2018 8:47 pm : link
In comment 14067597 Jeffrey said:
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Play calling, on again, off again Eli, poor return teams, and an OL which looks no better than last year. Pugh, Richburg and Fluker are no worse than what they have added.
No, but they're about 100 million cheaper
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