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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/9/2018 3:52 pm
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RE: RE: Ereck Flowers destroyed us  
Anakim : 9/9/2018 4:13 pm : link
In comment 14067365 Matt M. said:
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But Shurmur made a few really questionable calls. I have no idea what he was thinking burning a play with that Jonathan Stewart run.

And why didn't we put OBJ back for the punt?

Ther is absolutely no reason for Stewart to have even been on the field. He scares nobody in the running game, is less of a threat in the passing game, Barkley was fresh as it was the start of a drive.


That, but also running with two minutes left and you're down by 5 and you're not in the redzone. It was like Shurmur was eating time.

Very weird. Very weird playcall.
Other than Flowers.....  
Britt in VA : 9/9/2018 4:13 pm : link
I’m really encouraged by what I saw. We played a tough defense, in the rain.
RE: Waited for this game all week.  
81_Great_Dane : 9/9/2018 4:13 pm : link
In comment 14067320 Waldo Jeffers said:
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Looked past Saturday, all focus on the game.

And now it's over. Weekend spent.

And we lost.

This, right now, is a bummer.
Wow, I this went way for the Giants than I expected, in some ways. The D got their act together after a wobbly start. The O was disappointing but give the Jags credit, their defense is very, very good.
RE: Shapard drop on the last series  
Matt M. : 9/9/2018 4:14 pm : link
In comment 14067356 The Turk said:
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was the big play. right after 2 big passes to Beckham 1st down 40 yard line and he drops a crossing pass with plenty of room to run.
Yes it was. But, there also should have been PI on the 4th down play. The defender never turned for the ball and grabbed Shepard's arm.
RE: Flowers  
Anakim : 9/9/2018 4:14 pm : link
In comment 14067370 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:
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that's an all-time bad performance.


It does remind me of Ian Allen
As  
AcidTest : 9/9/2018 4:14 pm : link
an initial matter, I am asking the moderators to remove the "F" threads. Thank you.

We did some good things today. The D gave up 13 points, and forced Jacksonville to punt every time it had the ball in the second half. Apple was really good. So was Carter, Jenkins, and Collins. The run D was stout, although Fournette ran well when he was in the game.

Barkley showed why he was the #2 pick in the draft, and we got some good plays from OBJ, SS, and Engram. Eli distributed the ball well, although he missed OBJ for a TD.

Rosas was excellent, and Dixon punted well.

The problem is that the lines were dominated, but we'll likely not see a better OL or DL all year. I also think we should have given Flowers more help.

Tough loss, but I'm encouraged. Don't panic.
some strange calls by Shurmur  
bluepepper : 9/9/2018 4:14 pm : link
that 4th down especially. OBJ was giving that secondary fits all day and we target Shep on the outside and have OBJ running a 2 yard route I guess as a decoy.

And Barkley on the 2-pointer right after a 68 yard run. Don't think so.
Again that drive  
Rflairr : 9/9/2018 4:15 pm : link
After the Barkley TD was a back breaker. They beat themselves. Going with Stewart that drive after the Defense got them the ball right back was moronic. Had all the momentum, and just foolishly put Stewart in there with idiotic play calling
Eli looked good but not great.  
CT Charlie : 9/9/2018 4:15 pm : link
Give him 1 more second, though, and we should be able to move the ball. Wishful thinking.
Turnovers: AARRRRGH!  
looie : 9/9/2018 4:15 pm : link
As always, they're killers, especially in a close game. O was about with I expected vs. this defense, our D was better than I expected. Don't throw in the towel just yet; they lost by 5 pts. to a better team.
RE: RE: Really surprised with Engram's hands  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/9/2018 4:15 pm : link
In comment 14067374 rocco8112 said:
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poor job catching the football today. Missed opportunities there.



Looks soft too, blocking and goes down like tissue paper, no power for YAC.



Blocking one of the biggest and best defensive ends in the sport, sure.
And WTF with the TO to open the half?  
Matt M. : 9/9/2018 4:15 pm : link
If the helmet communications aren't working notify the ref or just call a play. Why would the communications even be needed? Don't they go onto the field with the play, already called, including the potential options/audibles?
Lost a winnnable game  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 9/9/2018 4:15 pm : link
To a good team. The online has to play better. Not every week will be as much a challenge as this week. D was pretty damn stout in second half.

Dissapointing but a lot to build on.
There were some positives  
dpinzow : 9/9/2018 4:15 pm : link
--The defense overall was good, only allowed 13 points
--Odell is pretty much himself again
--Saquon will get his
--Lorenzo Carter and BJ Hill made plays
They just stood toe to toe with one of the best d’s  
eli4life : 9/9/2018 4:15 pm : link
In the league. Sucks we came up short and it ended like that but the future is definitely looking better. Nobody expected to be contenders this year so personally I’m going to see the young guys develop
Gotta  
BigBlueinDE : 9/9/2018 4:16 pm : link
get a little more beef on the OL and they need to get better production out of Engram and Latimer. Overall, they're a year away but on the right path.
RE: Staring right down at 0-3 potentially  
bw in dc : 9/9/2018 4:16 pm : link
In comment 14067300 Sean said:
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Eli missed Beckham on 2 potential TD’s. Inexcusable.


So true. And that shouldn't get lost in the sauce of this post-game analysis...
3 Head Coaches, 2 GMs, multiple position coaches  
SHO'NUFF : 9/9/2018 4:16 pm : link
and we still can't shore up the OL over the last 4-5 years
The OL  
AcesUp : 9/9/2018 4:17 pm : link
You should not expect a "good" unit this year, but I would look at this game through the right context...the Jags DL is extremely talented. I'm hoping they can improve as the year goes on and the quality of the opponent normalizes.
Not a bad game against a very good team.  
nicky43 : 9/9/2018 4:17 pm : link
Jacksonville is very good on both Offense and defense. Our Defense played very good. Our offense could have played better but they are still learning how to gel together.

Flowers needs to be upgraded as well as the RG. Eli still has no time back there but we have good reason to be excited for what this team can do.

Hopefully Gettleman can find some upgrades for the oline.
Flowers is terrible  
WillVAB : 9/9/2018 4:18 pm : link
You could replace him w a guy off the street and get the same result.
RE: There were some positives  
bw in dc : 9/9/2018 4:18 pm : link
In comment 14067405 dpinzow said:
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--The defense overall was good, only allowed 13 points
--Odell is pretty much himself again
--Saquon will get his
--Lorenzo Carter and BJ Hill made plays


I would caution the defense point because Jax is really a subpar offense, especially when Fournette went out...
Shurmur should have put Jonathan "goal line" Stewart  
CT Charlie : 9/9/2018 4:18 pm : link
in for the 2-point conversion, right after Saquon's 70-yard run, instead of on the next possession.
RE: They just stood toe to toe with one of the best d’s  
dpinzow : 9/9/2018 4:18 pm : link
In comment 14067406 eli4life said:
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In the league. Sucks we came up short and it ended like that but the future is definitely looking better. Nobody expected to be contenders this year so personally I’m going to see the young guys develop


This is good perspective. In fact I think the team learned a lot about what it will take on the top level and naturally they would have to go through growing pains like this
Might be misleading game  
oldutican : 9/9/2018 4:18 pm : link
I suspect Jags made our offense look worse than it will be and the defense seem better.
yeah the defense was good  
bluepepper : 9/9/2018 4:18 pm : link
but that Jax offense is nothing even with Fournette. Not a good o-line themselves and Bortles is terrible. And the WR scare nobody.
RE: some strange calls by Shurmur  
Matt M. : 9/9/2018 4:19 pm : link
In comment 14067394 bluepepper said:
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that 4th down especially. OBJ was giving that secondary fits all day and we target Shep on the outside and have OBJ running a 2 yard route I guess as a decoy.

And Barkley on the 2-pointer right after a 68 yard run. Don't think so.
If anything, the 2 point conversion is where you put Stewart in.

I would have flipped OBJ and Shepard on that 4th down. Why would you have OBJ run a pick for Shepard when he couldn't be covered all day and Shepard was running those underneath routes all day. He wasn't scaring them going outside at that point. That said, it still should have been PI.
RE: Other than Flowers.....  
j_rud : 9/9/2018 4:19 pm : link
In comment 14067380 Britt in VA said:
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I’m really encouraged by what I saw. We played a tough defense, in the rain.


I'll feel encouraged tomorrow, right now it's hard to see past sloppy play leading to a loss in a game they could have, arguably should have, won. Eli missed Beckham twice in the endzone, Flowers still plays like he's fucking disabled, and a muffed punt to clinch it? Like I said, I'll be encouraged tomorrow.
Burning that time out...  
trueblueinpw : 9/9/2018 4:20 pm : link
Wow, I mean, yeah, you can’t open the 2nd half without a fuckin play but just take the 5 delay of game and keep the TO. Time out is too valuable to burn there.

Eli’s overthrows and INT... oy vey.

OBJ is uncoverable. He’s fucking amazing.

The defense didn’t fold.

Apple and the Jackrabbit had a good day.

Is Collins still a plus player?
We acquitted ourselves well today. Got a break when  
Jim in Hoboken : 9/9/2018 4:20 pm : link
Fournette left.

Eli was only okay, Engram didn’t help.

Playcalling was marginally better, that’s not saying much though.
RE: RE: They just stood toe to toe with one of the best d’s  
PatersonPlank : 9/9/2018 4:20 pm : link
In comment 14067426 dpinzow said:
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In the league. Sucks we came up short and it ended like that but the future is definitely looking better. Nobody expected to be contenders this year so personally I’m going to see the young guys develop



This is good perspective. In fact I think the team learned a lot about what it will take on the top level and naturally they would have to go through growing pains like this


+1. Although losing sucks, tomorrow I will be encouraged
Question on defensive holding  
Matt M. : 9/9/2018 4:20 pm : link
There was a flag picked up against Jax for defensive holding with the explanation that the ball was already thrown. Why is that not still holding? And, if not holding, isn't it PI?
Wet ball and rain certainly was a factor - drops, et.  
GiantsUA : 9/9/2018 4:20 pm : link
Giants competed against a quality opponent - no pick 6 and the Giants may have won.

Unfortunateky, they're stuck with Flowers  
micky : 9/9/2018 4:20 pm : link
Barring injury til next year

Get used to it
The thing that bothers me the most about this game,  
prdave73 : 9/9/2018 4:21 pm : link
was it was very winnable. The offense which we thought would be the bright side did not come through?! The defense did their part surprisingly, and it was up to the offense to win this game! Did not like what I saw from Shurmur, reminded me to much of Mcadoo's offense smh. I really hope the offense improves because they have to many weapon not to be successful..
RE: some strange calls by Shurmur  
Anakim : 9/9/2018 4:21 pm : link
In comment 14067394 bluepepper said:
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And Barkley on the 2-pointer right after a 68 yard run. Don't think so.



Or having Engram block Calais Campbell...I mean what exactly did Shurmur expect would happen when a subpar blocking oversized WR went up against one of the best defensive players in the NFL?
RE: Shurmur should have put Jonathan  
Rflairr : 9/9/2018 4:21 pm : link
In comment 14067425 CT Charlie said:
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in for the 2-point conversion, right after Saquon's 70-yard run, instead of on the next possession.


How about playaction to Engram on that 2 point conversion. You know damn well you aren’t going to punch that in with a run against that DL
Eh, I dunno  
Chris684 : 9/9/2018 4:21 pm : link
I am usually always optimistic....but this offensive line.

I was hopeful that Gettleman was able to upgrade to an average unit but I didn’t see that today.

Constantly in 3rd and forever. No consistency in the run game.

Disappointing games from Engram and Shepard.
D played well, but Jags were without Fournette for a half  
jcn56 : 9/9/2018 4:21 pm : link
and they gave up a TD when he went out, which was rough.

Eli has to do better with the pick 6's; I get that Flowers was to blame for the pressure, but you can't panic and make an errant throw like that. Some great passes today, some off the mark, but overall a good day if not for the INT.

The secondary had a good day today, great work by Jenkins and Apple.

Not sure why Stewart was on the field late in the game, and some of those clock management moves at the end were just bizarre.

Hopefully, the team gets better from here.
Also, if they didn't allow that 1 TD right before the half  
Matt M. : 9/9/2018 4:21 pm : link
it may have been a different outcome. That TD was too easy.

That said, there were a number of positives to take from this game.
I get the Flowers stuff  
bluepepper : 9/9/2018 4:22 pm : link
today he was truly awful unlike sometimes in the past when he's borne a bit too much of the brunt. But Solder and Hernandez struggled as well. Doesn't bode well even if Wheeler or someone miraculously steps in and up at RT.
RE: Unfortunateky, they're stuck with Flowers  
Rflairr : 9/9/2018 4:22 pm : link
In comment 14067448 micky said:
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Barring injury til next year

Get used to it


Put Wheeler in there. Try to send him a message
RE: RE: Shurmur should have put Jonathan  
rocco8112 : 9/9/2018 4:22 pm : link
In comment 14067451 Rflairr said:
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in for the 2-point conversion, right after Saquon's 70-yard run, instead of on the next possession.



How about playaction to Engram on that 2 point conversion. You know damn well you aren’t going to punch that in with a run against that DL


Likely he would have dropped it.
RE: RE: Ereck Flowers destroyed us  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 9/9/2018 4:22 pm : link
In comment 14067365 Matt M. said:
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But Shurmur made a few really questionable calls. I have no idea what he was thinking burning a play with that Jonathan Stewart run.

And why didn't we put OBJ back for the punt?

Ther is absolutely no reason for Stewart to have even been on the field. He scares nobody in the running game, is less of a threat in the passing game, Barkley was fresh as it was the start of a drive.

I hope this f*cking loss makes Shumur and DG realize you can't waste a play on a f*cking mascot.
RE: Other than Flowers.....  
Essex : 9/9/2018 4:23 pm : link
In comment 14067380 Britt in VA said:
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I’m really encouraged by what I saw. We played a tough defense, in the rain.

I’m not encouraged at all. Basically, we were a one man offense of Odel drawing penalties and receiving the lion share of targets. When we ventured out to Engram and Shepard they were disappponting and Barkley’s sick TD run was great and should not be discounted, but he couldn’t get anything sustained. A home run hitter rb is a weapon but it is so much less valuable then a guy who can consistently move the chains with 5 and 6 yard carries.

Our defense was shaky in the first half, it let up a lot of yards including that long drive for a TD when Fournette went out. They were outstanding in the second half.

The Jags were without Fournette for more than 2 quarters and we didn’t win the game at home despite them having 0 second half offensive points. A missed opportunity and I still think this is a 5-8 win range team.
RE: RE: Unfortunateky, they're stuck with Flowers  
micky : 9/9/2018 4:23 pm : link
In comment 14067462 Rflairr said:
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Barring injury til next year

Get used to it



Put Wheeler in there. Try to send him a message


Wheeler isnt any better
RE: Yup.  
ColHowPepper : 9/9/2018 4:23 pm : link
In comment 14067170 Big Blue '56 said:
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Deflected TD pass was not on Eli. Flowers with the fluck up
It was on Flowers for sure, but a 14 year veteran QB has no business throwing it low and blind into the line on what had become a busted play. Game changing, terrible result, triggered by Flowers, but Eli should have buried it where no one could get it.
RE: that last pass to Shepard  
Blue21 : 9/9/2018 4:23 pm : link
In comment 14067375 Rory said:
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the defender was holding his hand down while the ball was already released by Eli.

Looked like clear PI to me

That was the game right there


Yep! Couldn't believe no call
I think everyone is discounting how much effect the rain had  
montanagiant : 9/9/2018 4:24 pm : link
Without a good running game bad weather is going to hinder our offense vertically
Disappointed but still better play than what we saw last year  
gmen4ever : 9/9/2018 4:24 pm : link
Nonetheless there were opportunities that slipped through our fingers.
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